Shiite cleric Al-Sadr asks his followers to oust U.S. forces in Iraq.
The powerful Muslim cleric Muqtada al-Sadr says he wants to oust American forces from Iraq. According to a statement issued today, he's prepared to unleash his "guerrilla fighters to concentrate on pushing American forces out of the country."…
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— go to most recent comments76 - moonraven
Actually, Les the Enlightened One:
I called for 100 al Sadrs in my original post (Number ( on this thread).
And I respeat--I FULLY support anyone in Iraq who calls for the ousting of the US invaders. I don't care if he is Sunni or Shiite.
The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend, but I support his enemical position to the hilt.
I have a project in suspension in Iraq--so the sooner you fuckers are out of there, the better.
77 - moonraven
Chris,
Someone who calls for the abolishing of another's rights because he or she disagrees with him in a public forum is not only a fascist, but a psychotic fascist.
This is not even a REAL place.
78 - Les Slater
MS. Raven,
I very rarely read any biographies, I have read none of Che. I have read much of what Che has actually written and have read much of personal accounts of those that worked with and/or fought with. None has any direct experience with the whole life of Che.
My direct reading of Che starts with the Motorcycle Diary and ends with the most current and complete Bolivian Diary and most in between.
My favorite by Che is his account of Cuba's Revolutionary War 1956-1958. There is much autobiographical there.
Les
79 - moonraven
Les,
Since you did not bother to read anything that gives the entire arc of Che's life and work from a critical perspective, I think it is really suspect for you to say that you can predict what he would do or not do in any area of the current geopolitical situation.
You should keep in mind that there is considerable difference between a hagiography (which some of the Cuban books are and which some folks considered the film, The Motorcycle Diaries to be) and a biography which critically evaluates the life and work of a person.
I have read everything Che wrote--and yes, just for Nalle I have to fess up that I read it in its ORIGINAL LANGUAGE. I have also read all of the major bios. As well as probably 50 books that were critical of the Cuban Revolution--the best being that of Carlos Franqui, as he was a major player in it.
There are several very good bios--one by Paco Taibo II (Mexican writer) which is very complete but I do not know if it is in English and even the one by former Mexican chancelor Jorge Castaneda has some good stuff--although his axe to grind, that Fidel deliberately severed all ties with Che in Bolivia to get rid of a rival, is presented with zero substantiation and makes the bio deeply flawed.
In my opinion, the bio of Che by Jon Lee Anderson, Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life, may well be the definitive bio, as he had access to a lot of personal documents in the possession of Che's wife, Aleida. It has recently been published in a slightly expanded form and is more critical of Che's posture of violence than the 1997 version was.
It is also interesting to compare Che's diary that he kept in Cuba during his time in the mountains as well as during the march of his column across the island with that kept at the same time by Raul Castro--they were published together in one volume here in Mexico.
I have found that La guerra de guerrillas is absolutely fundamental to understanding Che's actions and his thinking. Especially in view of the fact that he acted in direct contradiction to his own "guerrilla manual" in almost 100% of the cases of his actions in both the Congo in 1965 and Bolivia in 1966-67.
And it may very well be that the real tragedy of Che lies not in his being murdered by the CIA, but in his stubborn violation of his own rules for guerrilla warfare in both countries and in his failure to sare leadership with the CP in Bolivia. Just MHO, but not unshared by others.
80 - Les Slater
moonraven,
Thank you for your well considered response. I see we have some basic, fundamental, differences about Che. I am glad to hear though that you take Che more seriously than I thought.
I will try to respond later to some of what you bring up.
Les
81 - Mark Schannon
Well, Chris, she may make you laugh, but I don't think that stupid, opinionated, unintelligent, crass, offensive, bizarre, pretentious half-wits are at all amusing. She's a sad old lady, probably living off canned dog food, who's found a forum that will tolerate her unintelligible or insulting blather. She and a few others make it impossible to have a rational discussion about any issue.
I suppose it's time to bring it up again with the editor group, because I don't want her involved in any way with BC. We're having enough trouble generating intelligent discussion on the political board--why in the world would we allow her a voice when it's such an ugly, negative, thoughtless, useless one?
You may find her amusing--I find her pathetic and useless.
82 - RJ
Che...with bullet holes!
Funny!
83 - jaz
but...but ....but, Mark...you like me
and i'm most of those things too!!
except for the "sad old lady" part
84 - Paul2
Mark -
"I suppose it's time to bring it up again with the editor group, because I don't want her involved in any way with BC."
This is an OPEN FORUM if you haven't noticed. That means that you can't choose with whom you have a discussion. And its not up to you to "assess" who is suitable or not. Do you think that this is your own little absolutist playground ?
Obviously you feel inferior and intellectually intimidated by writers on this page. Then you should deal with your own problems, instead of proposing a ban of people posting on this site.
So spare us with this infantile and reactionary crap.
85 - Clavos
jaz, You eat dog food???
86 - troll
avoid the wheat whey...go with the corn
87 - Dave Nalle
Paul, you're obviously not familiar with the personalities here. For Mark who's the most even tempered and easygoing of souls to be fed up with MR really means she's exceeded the acceptable level of annoyance.
I'd prefer to see her dealt with in a more populist way by just having everyone agree to ignore her, but Mark's got a legitimate complaint. Her behavior really does disrupt discussion.
Dave
88 - Arch Conservative
Moonraven and Nalle...
When did this sight turn into a pissing contest to see who knows more about some dead communist who's nothing but a shit stain in the annals of world history and who is only acknowledged with anything more than sheer indifference or apathy by stoned out brainwashed american college kids and deadbeat socialist who blame the USA for all of the world's problems but have never actually helped anyone in their lives.
Fuck Che Guevara.......
You want to read about a great man Moonraven... I suggest you pick up a copy of the biography of Ronald Reagan.
As for me if I ever came across a book about Che Guevara I'm sure I could put it to use... tearing the pages out and wiping my ass!
89 - troll
she should be neither banned nor ignored - like most commenters she will eventually start making more substantive contributions
look at the Con for example...his comments used to be so crude and devoid of content
90 - Mark Schannon
Jaz, you get a free pass whenever and wherever you want...as long as I can keep up with your ever changing monikers. Although, I'm with Clavos--if you eat dog food (regularly), then I may have reconsider our friendship. There's nothing wrong with a milkbone now and then...but you never know where these habits lead.
Paul2, whoever you are, this is not a "public" forum. It is owned by the uber-editors who set policy. And because you're new, I'm just going to ignore your pitiful attempts at insulting me...except that I'll bet you, like "she who cannot be named" enjoy dog food too often. Woof?
Thank you, Dave, but I have been growing more testy about rudeness & personal attacks. I have been trained my masters in those fields and it has taken me many years to reject them (oh, where's my mentor John Spivey when I need him).
There are a lot of good people who won't participate in the political site anymore because of what goes on in the comments--people a lot more valuable than "she who cannot be named" and, perhaps even Paul2...unless he gets a little history and begins to know something about the people at BC. My guess is that he's another of these teenagers we have to put up with from time to time...but one stupid post maketh not a moron.
And remember, when all else is bleak,
In Jameson Veritas
91 - jaz
i thought it was dogs as food...
my bad
and as for "changing monikers"...looks like i'll stick with just using my initials
all the rest has been set aside in futility...
but i digress
92 - Arch Conservative
In Jameson Veritas
What the fuck does that mean?
In Jameson's whiskey we find truth?
93 - Mark Schannon
No, dogs as food is okay...at least many Asian societies thing so. It's dog food you have to watch out for.
And Arch, now, come on, I was just beginning to think there was something more under the Arch than conservative ranting, but if you attack John Jameson, well, sir, all bets, holds, and rules are off.
If you didn't know that In Jameson There is Truth, then you are not only forgiven, but encouraged to discover the joy of nectar from the Gods. If you're really wealthy, go for Middleton, but for my humble self
In Jameson Veritas, Yes. Where the hell else would you expect to find truth?
94 - troll
it's good to see you're awake Mark...how's the condition of the condition
95 - Clavos
troll 89,
ROTFL!!
96 - Mark Schannon
Hey troll, about 95%, I think. At least I'm not sleeping 16-18 hours a day and napping the rest. What's annoying and a little scary is that I don't know what happened, what it was, what caused it, and can I spread it to others (hmmm...I wonder to whom?)
Oy, do I have an idea. You take "she who cannot be named" under your wing and restore or create some sanity and civility to her, and I'll give up my quest. I could care less what her point of view is...I care a lot that she's preventing everyone else from having one.
But I have faith, because, as you know,
In Jameson Veritas
97 - Clavos
Mark,
Didn't you see a doctor?
98 - Dave Nalle
I do have to admire the subtlety of troll's humor in #89.
Dave
99 - troll
consider #79...although self serving there's also plenty of interesting info there worth discussing
----
Les and moonraven: what do we have here...a bit of a cult - ?
but wait - ! hero worship and cults of personalities are #3 on the list of common traits in definitions of 'fascism'
(I'll give you two Che Rookie Cards for one Trotsky MVP)
...fascistas - they're everywhere
...and while I haven't read everything Che ever wrote or was written about him I did run my diesel Isuzu on a half gallon of piss once - got 6 miles before stalling out - it took a whole can of mystery oil to get the gummed up injectors clean
so I guess my knowledge of Che's mindset is in the form of praxis
100 - Mark Schannon
Troll, you're a commentor for sore eyes.
Clavos, have I seen a doctor? Last November, my family doctor, who, after I laid out all my cares and woes, here I go, there I go, bye bye blackbird...oops...brain fog there, sorry. Anyway, after an EKG (note the K) decided I was fundamentally depressed.
I went through 3 rounds at a sleep clinic and my neurologist said, after reviewing the data that I was the most complex case she'd ever seen...and then she disappeared. What is something I said?
The sleep doc has been the only decent one. He put me on a program to reset my internal clock & to my amazement, it seems to have worked pretty well. After trolling for another neurologist, three weeks ago, one agreed to see me in late April.
And...aren't you sorry you asked...I had done some major crisis work for the Baylor College of Medicine basically living there for 4-5 months a couple of years ago. I called them & sent all my records--a deafening silence.
I am going to start calling other major medical centers. I still get dizzy spells, am very careful about driving, and some very important parts of my brain (no jokes, jaz) are still not working.
Phew. The lesson, which I've known about hospitals, is that if you're too sick to take care of yourself, get an advocate to harass the medical system. Alas, my bride hasn't been able to do it for a variety of reasons, although she's come to most of the doctor appointments.
Double Phew.
The doctor is OUT.
In Jameson Veritas
101 - Les Slater
"...fascistas - they're everywhere"
Sounds like the flip side of Sen. Joseph McCarthy, communists under every bed.
102 - Clavos
Mark,
I'm really sorry to hear about all your problems, and not at all sorry I asked.
As you may have read in some of my past comments, my wife has some serious problems, and I spend a great deal of time advocating for her, as well as functioning as her primary caregiver. I'm lucky, because I'm retired from the corporate world and now self-employed, which gives me enough flexibility time-wise to be able to help her.
I also know what you mean about those deafening silences. My wife's underlying problem is neurological; spinal cord injury.
After exhausting every facility/doctor we could get appointments with here in Miami, and with no real progress made in her condition, we applied to the Mayo Clinic a few months ago.
They asked for, and we sent, reams and reams of records, test results, etc. After due time (a week or so), their response was that my wife had already been treated at a better spinal cord injury place (U of M/Jackson), than theirs, and that they had nothing additional or more advanced to offer us.
Anyhow, just a glimpse of what we're working through, so you can see that in me you definitely have an empathetic supporter who's "been there, done that."
If I can help in any way, contact me on the BC group site.
103 - moonraven
Les,
You do not say what fundamental differences we have in regard to Che Guevara.
I am not inclined to guess what they are--especally given the low level of discourse on this site, they could be anything.
I have tried to bring attention to the total incivility by holding up a language mirror to the worst offenders here--but they are too dim to see what they look like in that mirror.
One thing to consider, however, is that no matter how you see your "heroes", they are human. Which means they have the same defects as anyone else, but something they have done has managed to tip the scales in favor of their qualities--at least in the eyes of some.
Che is not God. Hugo Chavez took that title away from Eric Clapton some time ago....
104 - moonraven
Anyone can see by the number and quality of responses to my post Number 79 just how much folks want to discuss any real political or historical issues on these threads.
They don't.
Another reason why I have declined to consider writing any articles for blogcritics.
105 - troll
paciencia
Les said he'd get back to you - and ya know - he might have something interesting to say
106 - troll
also - and perhaps more to the point - why would anyone engage you given your past responses - ?
107 - Paul2
Mark - I actually do know a bit about the people posting here, but that is beside the point.
You're the one who proposed banning someone from this site.
I generally object to this kind of censorship and you don't offer any specific justification for a ban either. Your sensitivities certainly are not enough. You overestimate yourself.
If you would actually read what Moonraven has posted across the BC Politics section, she provides more input and knowledge than most others here. And definitely more than you. That is something you can't admit to. And thats precisely why you resort to proposing censorship, while claiming that MR is eating dog food in the same paragraph. That's ridiculous.
108 - moonraven
It just shows that Mark's [Edited] whining and puling (look it up, that's what dictionaries are for) he is just a little 3-year old snotnose [Edited]
Way to go, Big Guy!
109 - moonraven
Chris is abusing his editorial position.
Again.
He deletes my personal attacks, but attacks me with impunity.
Real class act you are, Chris.
110 - Clavos
Che is not God. Hugo Chavez took that title away from Eric Clapton some time ago....
Yet another reason for atheism...
111 - moonraven
I wonder if Clavos has EVER known anyone with a snse of humor....
112 - moonraven
Great, well-written and well-documented responses to my post 79.
Congratulations on being able to carry on a real discussion about a political figure.
Pats on the back all around for your insightful commentary.
113 - Les Slater
“You do not say what fundamental differences we have in regard to Che Guevara.”
One is you say he should have cooperated with the Bolivian CP. I say the Bolivian CP should have cooperated with him. Since it was quite clear that the Bolivian CP was not, and would not, cooperate the likelyhood of sccess was low. But that’s Monday morning quarterbacking.
I was a member of the Socialist Workers Party during most of the 70’s. That’s when several groups in Latin America were trying to emulate Che. A minority in the party were supporting Roberto Santucho’s PRT and other such groups that were affiliated with the same international grouping we were. I was with the majority.
Our position was that what Che certainly supported as a tactic was not to supported as a stategy. All tactics are subordinate to strategy. Some of the highlights of the debate are in book form: ‘The Leninist strategy of party building : the debate on guerrilla warfare in Latin America’ is out of print but probably available.
114 - Clavos
I wonder if Clavos has EVER known anyone with a snse of humor....
If that was your idea of humor, I guess not...
115 - Christopher Rose
moonraven, delighted as I am to see you acknowledge that you do indeed make personal attacks. However, I am not abusing either my position or yourself.
Indeed, my last remark on this page was #73, wherein I told Mark that he could not take advantage of his role as an editor here to ban you from the site. That is hardly attacking you with impunity by any stretch of the imagination.
All you have to do to avoid my attentions entirely is concentrate on political debate and resist the temptation to indulge in over-exuberant personal characterisation.
Good day to you, madam.
116 - moonraven
Les,
The Bolivian CP was in a position to provide an infrastructure as well as manpower for Che.
Che was still smarting, I believe, from the debacle in the Congo was had sent him into a profound depression for almost a year--and needed to prove that he was the Alpha male.
Therefore, he refused to share the leadership.
One of Che's most important STRATEGIC points in all of his writing is the necessity to build a base on the ground--in Cuba it was primarily incorporating the local campesinos.
In Bolivia he did not do that. In fact, local campesinos repeatedly reported the presence of FOREIGN agitators in the area. The Bolivian CP could have provided the entry to the local folks that was needed.
Without that, Che and his folks (I do not say men as there was Tanya to consider) were cut off from local support, moved around to keep in shape and were divided into two groups under Che's orders as some folks became ill.
Che's group never did reconnect with Joaquin's group--in fact J's groups was attacked as they crossed a river and Tanya and others were killed there.
Both Che's strategy and his tactics were bad in Bolivia. He kept going out of pride, will and dedication--and because he did not see any other acceptable alternative.
I had a lot of sympathy and empathy for Che--but he and I share some of the same defects that led to his being killed. Primarily, failure to practice what one preaches.
117 - Mark Schannon
Clavos, thanks for the offer & good luck with your wife. I've learned both personally and professionally that you just can't give up when it comes to the medical/hospital community.
Paul2, I'm really not interested in your view of how the Bill of Rights applies to privately-owned property or especially your assessment of my intelligence. When you show some, maybe we can compare brain pan sizes.
If you don't see the reason for the ban, then I'd suggest you either take reading lessons or get some glasses. "She who cannot be named" and now you prevent anyone else from having a rational conversation about any issue. "She" just rants and raves and brags about her vast knowledge of everything, probably including circumcision.
If you can't see how disruptive and abusive she's been... and if you don't know that this is the first time I've taken her on... well, either this or my other post... then you're speaking with no brain... alas a terrible tragedy but one you shouldn't inflict on us.
I was hoping everyone would just ignore her, but she pulls people in for some reason. But if she's not going to be ignored, then I'll rip her throat out every chance I get & if you want to get in line, I'd be glad to do the same. [Personal attack deleted]
And "she who cannot be named," the best you can do is call me a 3 year old snotnose??? Oh my, wait, I am bleeding. I've been gored and gouged. You make Paul2 seem downright brilliant.
Oh and don't worry about writing for BC -- who in their right mind would publish your drivel... let alone figure out how to edit it to make sense. [Personal attack deleted]
Moi, I seek for purity & truth...
In Jameson Veritas
118 - Les Slater
“The Bolivian CP was in a position to provide an infrastructure as well as manpower for Che.
The Moscow oriented CPs were noted for their treachery. The were counterrovolutionary through and through. The Cuban Moscow group was in Batista’s government during the early period when Fidel and followers were fighting in the hills.
Both Fidel and Che thought that the duty of a revolutionary was to make a revolution. The CPs of the world during that period claimed that objective conditions were not yet ripe. They were going to wait forever.
“One of Che's most important STRATEGIC points in all of his writing is the necessity to build a base on the ground--in Cuba it was primarily incorporating the local campesinos.”
The importance of the cities and organization there is usually overlooked or underestemated. Read Armando Hart’s ‘Aldabonazo: Inside the Cuban Revolutionary Underground, 1952-58, a participant’s account.’ Che himself underestimated the importance here, but those that followed him were much more crude and blind.
119 - Christopher Rose
Mark, I like you a lot personally but there is no way at all that you are going to take on anybody. You, like everybody else who uses the comments space, will follow the comments guidelines or be edited in line with them.
I am the Comments Editor and it is my responsibility to moderate this shared space. It doesn't belong to anybody but everybody and, just as I have in the past even edited commments from parts of the ruling troika and even, more scarily, the fearsome Ms Dawn too, you can rest confident that I will follow the guidelines I have been given without fear or favour to any quarter.
You just go about your business and leave me to do mine. If you're not happy about that, then you should use your newly discovered energy to complain to the Troika about my handling of the role and not cast yourself as some kind of cultural vigilante.
Got it? Good!
120 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Mark,
Good to "hear" your voice again.
Hey listen, dude. The trick to dealing with Marthe Raymond (moonraven) is to remember her heritage - and our own. We all have a lot more in common than your realize. We all come from a people that has been driven from its home, suffered multiple genocides and none of us - Marthe and I in particular - are willing to be history's victims. In addition, she is trying to do something meaningful with her abilities. I see myself the same way. We see the world differently, but don't seriously tell me that you can't deal with someone who has a different point of view than yours. I know better.
Do remember Dumbledore's comment about wizards who used the phrase "he who must not named." They only give an evil force more power. Marthe is not evil - she is used to playing a much nastier version of hardball than you are, that's all...
I'm really glad to see that you are feeling better, though.
By the way, if you think dealing with American hospital bureaucracies is a pain in the ass, you should try the Israeli ones. The key thing to remember about the Israeli is that he always thinks someone is trying to pull something over on him - so he acts like a schmuck to avoid being pissed on. Try dealing with a whole country of people like this.
In essence, nothing gets done around here without lots of banging on the table and brinksmanship. All the nightmares of Jewish culture are alive and well in this country. That is the problem of living in a country where almost every doctor is a Jewish doctor - and everybody thinks that because he can pontificate around a kiddush table on Shabbes, he is the world's leading expert on everything under the sun.
I see I'm rambling on here. May you experience a full recovery and send the shoemakers back to mending shoes... Tihyeh barí - sei gesunt.
Reuven
121 - Les Slater
moonraven,
I do see that you do know much more about Che, and I am sure many other things than I gave you credit for after reading the 'One, Two, Three, 1000...' comment.
My disagreement is more with your take on Iraq, especially the al-Sadr remarks. I have no doubt that Che might have changed since he was writing and acting on a world scale, but there is no evidence that he would have said such a thing.
I know people do change. You seem to be somewhat familiar with Hegel. When young he described Napoleon conquering Europe as the ‘World Spirit riding in on a horse’. When he was old he was an apologist for Prussian absolutism.
But then again, age does not have to do that to you. Last week I went to dinner with Rafael Cancel Miranda. He must be pushing 80 but he is still full of fire and sharp as a tack. I’m sure he has more in common with Che than Hegel.
Since Che is dead I will deal with your al-Sadr comment.
First I’ll deal a little with your methodology. You freely use the term fascist to refer to any that displease you. I doubt you give that terminology serious thought, it’s just an epithet. It’s an indication that you are not careful in your analysis in general.
You, of all people, should know that the more enlightened of foreign opponents of U.S. policy clearly make a distinction between the people of this country and the government running it.
There are no revolutionary forces in Iraq. They are all just a bunch of cut-throats. Just because one or another flash some shiny object does not mean it’s good coin.
Les
122 - moonraven
Les,
Please stay on point if you want to argue with me.
You are just giving me propaganda now--that the Moscow-oriented CPs were treacherous may be your opinion or it may be from someone else with some experience of them.
Fidel apparently thought enough of the Bolivian CP to insist that Che go there and to provide the appropriate contacts for him with them. Reps from the CP made at least 2 trips to La Habana and met with Fidel during the process of buying the ranch as a base of operations.
Che had NO other options in Bolivia for infrastructure building. If he did not trust those folks, WHY did he go there, then? This is not a trivial question, Les, as going there cost him his life.
Your response to my point about building a base of locals does not address my point--which was that Che broke his own cardinal rule.
I am fully aware of the power issues between Fidel and Frank Pais that led to some devaluing of the urban contribution to the Cuban Revolution. But that process has nothing to do with the point that I made.
1. Che was in a very rural area in Bolivia. If you did read his Bolivian Diary you should remember that there are pages of descriptions of Miguel and the Vanguardia cutting trails through the vegetation with machetes! That means his only option of building a local base was CAMPESINOS.
2. Your comment directly undercuts your first contention about the CP--which WAS in the cities.
Do you seriously think that if the CP and Che had shared leadership that Che would have been completely cut off with no means whatsoever to communicate with La Habana--or with La Paz?
I still have absolutely no idea of why you are or were interested in Che.
Nor of why, if you have such an invested interest, you haven't read any bios nor La guerra de guerrillas, which is available in ENGLISH on amazon.com for about 10 bucks.
I think, Les--if you want to know the truth--that you just wanted to dogpack me on this thread in order to make yourself look macho or get your rocks off.
You are not the first to do that.
I think I have wasted me time with you.
123 - moonraven
Okay, Les, Now I see what your beef is.
You support invading other countries for their natural resources. If the people of those countries resist for you they are just cut-throats. That is just a way of "dehumanizing the enemy"--just like calling Vietnamese people "gooks" was, to justify KILLING them.
I do make a distinction between the US government and the FEW decent US folks that I personally KNOW. I also happen to know quite a few very decent Iraquis--some of which were my students in an MA program I taught in in JOrdan in 2005. They are anything but cut-throats. They are smarter than anyone on this blogsite and much more civiized in their treatment of other people than you are.
If you support invasions and genocide then I definitely make no distinction between you and the US government--there is no distinction to be made.
The term fascist implies institutionalize intolerance of any opposing views--and in a larger geopolitical context it is the marriage of big business and government which creates that institutionalizing. I am quoting the horse's mouth, Mussolini, here.
Les, I think we are done here.
You had an ulterior motive in engaging me, and I don't like that kind of underhanded approach.
124 - Les Slater
“You support invading other countries for their natural resources. If the people of those countries resist for you they are just cut-throats.”
You do have trouble thinking. I guess I will have to clarify.
“There are no revolutionary forces in Iraq.” The ones that some ascribe to as being revolutionary are nothing but “…. just a bunch of cut-throats.” That specifically refers to to al-Sadr as well as other militia leaders. Your sanitizing them because they sometimes clash with U.S. forces is nothing any principled revolutionary would ever do.
125 - moonraven
Les,
You are not a principled revolutionary. The tee shirt does not make the revolutionary! So get off your high horse.
And I have no trouble thinking.
Saying I am stupid because I disagree with your description of Iraquis as cut-throats is out of bounds.
I am NOT stupid. I live part of each year in the Middle East, and I am in a position to have an opinion about Iraquis, as I know a number of them.
You do not know any Iraquis, are operating from the typical gringo anti-white stance and trying to make it OKAY by insulting me.
That's how you started off on this thread and it is clear that you are capable of nothing better.
Che never advocated stealing other people's resources. He also did not advocate dehumanizing the enemy--although he did kill a number of people and put others in front of a firing squad as traitors to their country.
You, on the other hand are a cowardly gringo bully--nothing revolutionary about you.
This time, Les, we are REALLY done.
And I am out of here.