Iraq, Five Years In - Page 3

With the successes of the surge including the pacification of Baghdad, the buy-off of Sunni insurgents in much of the country and the large scale destruction of al Qaeda in Iraq, the question is what can be done to finish the job and make it possible for the U.S. to withdraw without leaving a disaster behind. We've gone about as far as we can militarily, especially if this week sees the expected crushing of the Mahdi army in Basra. That leaves us with a couple of political and diplomatic solutions to finish the job.

One would be the replacement of the current kleptocracy of corrupt faction leaders who call their themselves a government with some individual of greater personal authority and somewhat less greed and incompetence - a beneficent dictator or nicer version of Saddam, if you will. This could happen in the next Iraqi election, but given the government which resulted from the last election it seems like a long-shot. The government lacks the respect of the people, but there doesn't seem to be any alternative. No single figure stands out as a rallying point for the popular support needed to establish a more centralized and effective government. So long as the government remains weak their ability and motivation to handle intense problems on their own is pretty limited.

Another solution would be a diplomatically negotiated settlement with Iran to get them to stop providing weapons, money and even manpower to the Sadrists and other Shiite militias which are the most serious remaining source of violence and destabilization. The militias are out of power and do not expect to be asked to share power and can only get it through violence, and it is in Iran's interest to keep Iraq weak by encouraging them. Finding a way to pressure or persuade Iran to reduce their participation would cut the legs out from under the Shiite militias and finish them off once and for all, creating a situation which even the relatively weak Maliki government could get under control.

We have paid a higher price than we should have to get to where we are today in Iraq, but the irony of the situation is that painful, expensive and marred by incompetence though it has been, the administration's current approach to Iraq may be the only one which will work in the long term, and the next administration may have no choice but to continue it, regardless of their campaign promises. We aren't doomed to John McCain's hyperbolic hundred-year occupation, but continuing the very slow march towards stability is going to take at least a couple of years of ongoing commitment, probably including a gradual draw-down of forces. The next administration may well get largely undeserved credit for solving the Iraq problem just by following the course Bush has laid out, which may offset the blame they get for economic problems they are also likely to inherit.

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Dave Nalle has been a magazine editor, freelance writer, capitol hill staffer, game designer and taught college history for many years. He is Chairman of the Republican Liberty Caucus, working to promote liberty in the GOP. …

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  • 1 - Lumpy

    Mar 26, 2008 at 10:02 am

    Nice to see someone even acknwledging that there is still something going on in Iraq. Ever since we started getting more good news than bad the nedia seems to be unble to find the country at all.

  • 2 - El Bicho

    Mar 26, 2008 at 10:53 am

    "the buy-off of Sunni insurgents in much of the country"

    This is what tempers my opinion that things are going so well. If we have to bribe people to stop killing one another, what happens when that money runs out? Is there some X dollar amount that when reached will pacify them into changing their ways, or will the Sunnis just go back to square one?

  • 3 - Dan Miller

    Mar 26, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Dave, Your article is among the best I have read about the Iraq situation, and I thank you for the insights. Just a few comments, however.

    You state:

    ". . . the threat of violence remains present and people have just learned to live with it and accept it as inevitable. This balance of ongoing violence with some level of normality in life is relatively stable and could continue for a very long time."

    Somehow, the thought of Israel popped into my head unbidden. It seems to me that we are doing quite a lot to bolster a dubious government in Iraq, which will never come close to our ideals, while trying to impose upon Israel a settlement of differences with a very dysfunctional Palestinian government even less likely to produce a result consistent with our ideals.

    Could it be that our focus is dysfunctional as well?

    I am most likely in the minority, but I think our invasion of Iraq was the right thing to do, and that our limited successes are important. Still, I think that Israel may, in the long term, be even more important. Israel has long been the ally of the U.S., to a much greater extent than many of he countries to which we have given our support, military and otherwise. She has many powerful enemies, and their success would be a bad thing for the principles which we claim to hold dear.

    I do not suggest that we send troops to Israel; she probably would not want them and at this point does not need them. I do suggest that while we are doing our level best to prop up a dysfunctional government in Iraq, we at least cease demanding that Israel make nice with her sworn enemies who show absolutely no signs of making nice with her.

    My guess, and it is no more than that, is that Israel is potentially a more significant flash point than Iraq, that open warfare will happen regardless of our support for the "peace process," and that the sooner we recognize this the better.

    Dan Miller

  • 4 - Dave Nalle

    Mar 26, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    This is what tempers my opinion that things are going so well. If we have to bribe people to stop killing one another, what happens when that money runs out? Is there some X dollar amount that when reached will pacify them into changing their ways, or will the Sunnis just go back to square one?

    The bribery aspect actaully doesn't worry me at all. It's the way things are done in the Arab world. Those leaders will ALWAYS be looking for something for themselves or their people, and the Iraqi government can certainly afford to provide it to them. Their first loyalty is to their tribe and no one else, and Arab and European leaders have been buying their loyalty for hundreds of years.

    Dave

  • 5 - REMF

    Mar 26, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    HONOR THE FALLEN

    "Army Sgt. Thomas C. Ray II, 40, of Weaverville, N.C.; assigned to the 1132nd Military Police Company, North Carolina Army National Guard, Rocky Mount, N.C.; died March 22 in Baghdad of wounds suffered when his vehicle encountered an improvised explosive device. Also killed were Spc. David S. Stelmat and Sgt. David B. Williams."

    - from the militarycity (valor) web site

  • 6 - Krutic A

    Mar 26, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    The silver lining to the current fighting in Basra is that Shiites are fighting Shiites. That tells me that the government is trying to be sect-blind and looking out for the greater interest of the country. It will help Sunnis trust the government and it also signals Iran that inspite of being Shiite, the Iraqi government is willing to fight Iran sponsored Shiite militias for the betterment of the country as a whole.
    So if the fighting doesn't get too out of hand and is brought under control, the Iraqi government comes out stronger after this.

  • 7 - REMF

    Mar 26, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    "So if the fighting doesn't get too out of hand and is brought under control, the Iraqi government comes out stronger after this."
    - Krutic A.

    Who gives a fuck, Krutic? We shoulda never gone into that shithole in the first place.

  • 8 - Dave Nalle

    Mar 27, 2008 at 1:50 am

    Somehow, the thought of Israel popped into my head unbidden.

    I'm on the same page as you. Israel is one of the first nations I look to for a model of people living relatively normal lives in the midst of extreme violence.

    Could it be that our focus is dysfunctional as well?

    Heretic! How dare you question the validity of imposing democracy on tribal societies which neither want it nor know what to do with it.

    I do not suggest that we send troops to Israel; she probably would not want them and at this point does not need them. I do suggest that while we are doing our level best to prop up a dysfunctional government in Iraq, we at least cease demanding that Israel make nice with her sworn enemies who show absolutely no signs of making nice with her.

    As the Birchers will tell you at length, stabilizing Iraq ultimately helps Israel enormously. They'd have you believe we invaded Iraq specifically to help Israel and for no other reason. Recently discovered Iraqi government documents lend more support to that thesis, because they expose a level of Iraqi involvement in funding terrorism throughout the middle east which is far beyond anything previously suspected.

    Dave

  • 9 - Mark Edward Manning

    Mar 27, 2008 at 6:11 am

    Good analysis, Dave. Well done. You really summed it all up in a way that both the war's supporters and opponents can agree with.
    Yes, we supporters of the war never envisioned being there five years later, certainly not at the level we still are. I think we must, however begrudingly, accept that the anti-wars were correct in their initial assessment that we had no plan for how to manage post-Saddam Iraq. We've been trying to learn ever since, for five years now.
    But, as you say, there is certainly hope for Iraq, if we can diplomatically deal with Iran, no doubt a major contributor to the violence in Iraq.
    The U.S. forces have done a truly remarkable job in earning the trust of former Sunni rebels and insurgents. The Kurds are largely at peace, a level of quiescence they never knew under Saddam and probably were never likely to know under any Ba'athist leader. As for the Shias, if we can quash Sadr's uprising and get his followers to join the ranks of the Shia serving in the Iraqi forces, then that is one more major step on the road to what is hopefully long-term peace.

  • 10 - Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Mar 27, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    While I agree fundamentally with Mark, the fact still remains that involvement in Iraq (while not getting rid of the 800 pound Wahhabi gorilla to its immediate south) is going to leave your country broke, and broken.

    And Dan Miller is right about a hot war headed our way here.

  • 11 - Krutic A

    Mar 30, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    Like I said in # 6 the Iraqi government comes out stronger after this and today Al Sadr announced a ceasefire to his troops. If it works, this is good news for the Iraqi forces because Al Sadr wouldnt have stopped fighting if he was winning. So even though there were reports of desertions and surrender by the Iraqi forces, on the whole they did a good job. No American lives were lost in the battle and I take this to be a big sign of progress.
    I think the Iraqi government's next major priority should be oil revenues and production. If that happens, the whole scenario predicted by the US years ago where the oil money would pay for the war will finally come to fruition. Lets see if it does happen.

  • 12 - bliffle

    Mar 31, 2008 at 12:39 am

    I see that some diehards and deadenders are still attempting to justify the Iraq Invasion.

  • 13 - Dr Dreadful

    Mar 31, 2008 at 12:44 am

    That's nothing, Bliffle. There are still people trying to justify the Vietnam War.

  • 14 - Dave Nalle

    Mar 31, 2008 at 1:03 am

    I'm still working on my justifications for the Spanish American War.

    Dave

  • 15 - STM

    Mar 31, 2008 at 1:26 am

    Doc: "That's nothing, Bliffle. There are still people trying to justify the Vietnam War".

    Try this then: half of Vietnam didn't want to be communist.

  • 16 - Dr Dreadful

    Mar 31, 2008 at 2:11 am

    Nice try, Stan. I'm sure considerably more than half of the Soviet Empire didn't want to be communist either. But a certain bloke from Austria, Adolf something or other, discovered exactly how bad an idea it was to wage war on them.

  • 17 - STM

    Mar 31, 2008 at 2:22 am

    That Austrian upstart. That's what must rankle the most with Germans looking back and navel-gazing on that stuff.

    He wasn't even German.

    However, back to the issue at hand: as a person who lives in this region, and who has had a lot of contact with the large numbers of Vietnamese and their decendents in this country, I can tell you unequivocally, most of those who washed up on these shores with their brethren were not happy about the reunification of Vietnam.

    Whether you think their ideas were misguided or not and whether it was worth the cost in lives is another issue completely, but the fact is there were an awful lot of Vietnamese banking on the Americans because they didn't want to live under communist rule.

    It's worth remembering in any discussion of this that one group of people tried to impose their will upon another group that wasn't interested.

    I'm not sure we should be rewriting history to make it a snug fit with our views.

  • 18 - bliffle

    Mar 31, 2008 at 8:04 am

    If it were true that every South Vietnamese were in favor of independence then surely they would have been able, with US help, to hold off the invasion from the north. In fact, only a thin layer of privileged were violently opposed to the commies. The rest just saw it as a war between feudalism and communism: equal opportunity oppressors.

  • 19 - troll

    Mar 31, 2008 at 8:44 am

    Like I said in # 6 the Iraqi government comes out stronger after this and today Al Sadr announced a ceasefire to his troops. If it works, this is good news for the Iraqi forces because Al Sadr wouldnt have stopped fighting if he was winning.

    ok...now how's this for speculation: Al Sadr realizes that he is well on his way to religious/political legitimacy and that he will be running the country within a short time...he has been struggling to keep a lid on his forces while taking over responsibility for critical bureaucracy (health care - education etc)

    he never gave the order to his forces (estimated to be 2000,000 strong) to start fighting in response this "mopping up" operation and his call for a cease fire is a plea to the more radical among his followers not to fuck things up

  • 20 - troll

    Mar 31, 2008 at 8:48 am

    that would be 200,00

  • 21 - troll

    Mar 31, 2008 at 8:48 am

    0

  • 22 - bliffle

    Mar 31, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    I suspect that Al Sadr is maneuvering for a large political position, perhaps deposing Maliki, perhaps of a big part of a fractured Iraq.

  • 23 - Dr Dreadful

    Mar 31, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    Just take as many zeroes as you need, troll...

    ;-)

  • 24 - bliffle

    Apr 01, 2008 at 5:58 am

    There's a new PBS documentary on the action level of the war tonight:

    Bad Voodoos War

  • 25 - bliffle

    Apr 08, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    Today we had the pleasure of seeing the once glorious and confident Petraeus looking drawn and old and out of resources as he glumly sat in front of congress contemplating his own failures.

    Now we know why he wasn't appointed top general in Iraq years ago: he can't cut it. His one tactical idea (facilitated by al Sadrs hiatus) of seize-hold-hold-some-more has failed as a strategy to spread a love of democracy and western values among people who are more interested in allying with Iran. Indeed, the Maliki government scattered flower petals on the Iranian chief when he visited recently. By contrast the POTUS had to sneak thru town when he visited.

    Ptui!

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