Iran, Genocide, and Human Rights: Is the UN Any Use at All? - Comments Page 4

The latest failures at the UN are a strong reminder that it may be an organization which has outlived its usefulness.

Earlier this week the House of Representatives passed a resolution urging the UN Security Council to charge Iranian President Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with violating the UN convention on genocide for recent comments in which he declared that Israel should be "wiped off the map." Prior attempts to condemn Iran in the Security Council have consistently failed, including one introduced by France earlier this month in response to similar comments made by the Iranian president in the end of May which had even been endorsed by Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon.…
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  • 126 - Heloise

    Jun 26, 2007 at 8:34 pm

    Dave, first I found a typo: fer years: Should be "for years?" Anyway, who ever listened to the components of democracy--i.e., the people?

    There is nothing new in your article, except the fact that the UN continues to get away with stuff, just like Don Imus did, fer years...I mean for years. In his diatribe against all things black or otherwise not Anglo-Saxon.

    If you can move the UN-ers by your arguments then perhaps you should run for office. Otherwise the UN is a no-win for the globe.

    Heloise

  • 127 - alessandro Nicolo

    Jun 26, 2007 at 9:11 pm

    Zedd, it's not all that important. This is true.

    I'll let you have the final word. Even though...aw, forget it.

  • 128 - Zedd

    Jun 26, 2007 at 10:25 pm

    troll

    Glad you are back.



    Alessandro

    Thank you for allowing me to be petty :o)

  • 129 - Dave Nalle

    Jun 26, 2007 at 11:06 pm

    My point is to merely suggest that it is an impossble game to claim a society is "shallow." We can apply this to many countries.

    More than that, Alessandro. Society as a whole can be horribly shallow and in any country of reasonable size there can still be an intellectual, educated and leadership class which is anything but shallow or ill-informed. Hundreds of thousands of Americans have lived abroad and attended universities in other countries and speak foreign languages, notwithstanding the fact that most have done none of those things.

    Like I said before, we're not generally appointing beet farmers and auto mechanics to be Secretary of State or UN Ambassador.

    Dave

  • 130 - Dave Nalle

    Jun 26, 2007 at 11:13 pm

    BTW, I just got back from Canada, and interestingly I found the shopkeepers and townsfolk of Nova Scotia virtually indistinguishable from Americans in similar walks of life. After listening to Zedd I expected them all to be natural philosophers possessed of a special aura of intellectualism, but strangely that was not the case.

    I did have a nice conversation with a schoolteacher from Portland on the boat, however, and despite just being a Kindergarten teacher and an average American she had some rather astute opinions on US politics and foreign policy. Go figure.

    Dave

  • 131 - Clavos

    Jun 26, 2007 at 11:56 pm

    An intelligent American???

    Obviously an aberration...

  • 132 - Zedd

    Jun 27, 2007 at 12:34 am

    Dave,

    Let it go........ Its over. I made my point. You never seemed to grasp what I meant by shallow.

    You sort of made yours.

    Regardless, its over....... You are not convinced, I certainly am not... move on.

    Surely you don't believe we excel in everything.

    BTW beet farmers and mechanics can be quite profound.

  • 133 - Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Jun 27, 2007 at 5:10 am

    "If you said you were a Native American no one would think you were a Jewish guy. You are an American native, YES, but you are not a Native American. That phrase HAS a meaning.

    There is that uncertain grasp of history and geography again. By the way, you need reading glasses. I never said I was an American native. I said I was a native of the United States - this is very different from an American native. America is a big place stretching from Alaska down to Tierra del Fuego. The United States is a relatively small portion of that big place.

    Sorry, Zedd, I don't give out points for "you know what I meant."

    Just a side note to Marthe - even the damned rats and cockroaches are immigrants. The rats are from Norway and the cockroaches from Germany.

    And I'm a tad more optimistic than you. Whatever changes the Mayan calendar - or even out own genocidal tendencies - seem to imply are changes we'll get through.

  • 134 - moonraven

    Jun 27, 2007 at 11:30 am

    You are a LOT more optimistic than anyone else. And without any reason to be so.

  • 135 - MCH

    Jun 27, 2007 at 11:43 am

    "BTW, I just got back from Canada..."
    - Vox Nalle

    So who'd you put in charge of killing the stray dogs behind your fortified compound while you were away?

  • 136 - alessandro nicolo

    Jun 27, 2007 at 11:51 am

    MCH,

    Isn't that Michael Vick's job?

  • 137 - Zedd

    Jun 27, 2007 at 12:11 pm

    Ruvy,

    If you are a native of the United States, you are a native of America. The US is in the Americas. Is it me?

    You are really good at remembering data, but it is useless if you cant extrapolate from that data. You see, history is just what people like you and I did years earlier. Its not holy or sacred. What is significant is how it affects humanity over time and what lessons we learn from it.

    You studied History (what happened), I studied Sociology (why it happen(s)(ed) and what it means to us). We think differently. Your way of thinking is not better AND you know full well that I am not dense (I suppose that was some sort of male defensive statement thingy.... sorry to say but I got embarrassed for you). I consider your reasoning to be weak but I am giving you a chance to change my mind AND I may learn something.

  • 138 - MCH

    Jun 27, 2007 at 12:35 pm

    allesandro;
    LOL!! Only if Populi doesn't get jealous missing out on the fun...

  • 139 - troll

    Jun 27, 2007 at 12:39 pm

    Vox Populi - agent provocateur and man of mystery...I miss him

  • 140 - Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Jun 27, 2007 at 1:17 pm

    I just wanted yo re-iterate these points since we are at comment 130- something...

    1. Iran should be prevented from destroying this country; if that means nuking Tehran, that is fine with me.
    2. The UN personnel - all of them world wide - should be ditched into the deepest of the Atlantic trenches for all the use they are. The UN Building should be made a homeless shelter.
    3. Genocide has not been stopped by the UN - and humanity has learned NOTHING from the genocides perpetrated by the Romans 2,000 years ago here, the Germans in the 1940's, Stalin over the course of his dictatorship in Russia, and Mao Tze Tung over the course of his dictatorship of China. Mao's Little Red Book was appropriately name. The bastard's hands were covered in blood.

  • 141 - troll

    Jun 27, 2007 at 1:30 pm

    Ruvy - one day I'll figure out how a decent man can advocate/accept mass destruction

  • 142 - Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Jun 27, 2007 at 2:01 pm

    Ruvy - one day I'll figure out how a decent man can advocate/accept mass destruction.

    I want my potential killers to die before what they do here gets a lot worse.

    I posted this on Jewish Indy:

    June 26, 2007

    Thanks to Paolo Porsia who forwarded this item.

    From where we live in Ma'aleh Levona, you can see the Tel Aviv skyline, the mountains in Jordan, and on a really clear day, Mt. Hermon on the northern border. In short, everything is kinda close, and the view here drives that point home. The largest concentration of Jews in Israel is in and around Tel Aviv, going north and east. It is reasonable to assume that in any missile war, Tel Aviv will be a major target, as would Hadera and Ashkelon.

    According to Barry Chamish, an investigative reporter, hitting all three sites might cripple communications, strip the country of its electric supply and effectively knock out the country's command and control system. This would ground the air force. The air force is what provides the backbone of home defense, and is the force that allows the IDF to carry a war to the enemy. If Haifa is attacked, the fleet would probably crippled. An additional target would be western Jerusalem, where the Knesset (parliament) and major government offices are located.

    In a war based on a missile assault, the one part of the country that would not be under heavy assault from the air would be Judea and Samaria. We live in Samaria. In the event of such a war, we might be cut off from the electric grid, but there is an adequate ground-water supply to keep us going, and food growing in the area.

    Whether war breaks out or not due to this movement of weaponry, these are the strategic facts on the ground.


    Iran moves missiles to Syria
    Avionews
    Tehran, Iran - Implemented the agreement of 2005
    (WAPA) - A United Nations official in Lebanon announced that Iran is about to move to Syria dozens of medium-range missiles Shahab-3 and Scud B and C. The purpose is creating a missile system to be used in case of attacks to nuclear installations, and available in any case for military actions.

    The fact that Syria will host Iranian missiles is due to the mutual defence agreement signed in 2005 by Tehran and Damascus. Such agreement was implemented last month on decision of the Iranian Supreme Council chaired by Akbar Hasshemi Rafsanjani.

    Also, a team of engineers has been sent to Syria to train the local army for the missile system's use. In addiction, it seems that Iran has made a similar agreement with Sudan.

    Such news, along with the fact that Russia sold Syria some high-tech combat airplanes, have created a considerable apprehension for many Countries, especially Israel. (Avionews)
    (00019) 070626182419-1076030 (World Aeronautical Press Agency - 2007-06-26 06:24 pm)

  • 143 - Dave Nalle

    Jun 27, 2007 at 2:07 pm

    Surely you don't believe we excel in everything.

    I think that out of 300 million people we can FIND someone who excels at anything.

    BTW beet farmers and mechanics can be quite profound.

    So ultimately you do, in fact, agree with me.

    Dave

  • 144 - Dave Nalle

    Jun 27, 2007 at 2:08 pm

    So who'd you put in charge of killing the stray dogs behind your fortified compound while you were away?

    The pool guy.

    Dave

  • 145 - sr

    Jun 27, 2007 at 2:37 pm

    The pool guy. And who whould thunk it be old sr. At $25.00 per hr I can buy another gun.

  • 146 - troll

    Jun 27, 2007 at 2:45 pm

    (Dave - are you near the flooding - ?)

  • 147 - Dave Nalle

    Jun 27, 2007 at 5:03 pm

    We're near it, but not in the hardest hit area. Had some water in our kitchen, but it appears to be under control.

    Dave

  • 148 - MCH

    Jun 27, 2007 at 7:09 pm

    "At $25.00 per hr I can buy another gun."

    Knowing ol' Populi, it's probably more like $6 an hr.

  • 149 - sr

    Jun 30, 2007 at 2:10 pm

    If that's true I just might buy the ammo first. What do you suggest MCH and which came first, the gun or the ammo?

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