4. Tom Tancredo - 1961 votes - 13.7%
Heh. This is a strong showing for a "fringe" candidate, but it won't do Tancredo any good. He still won't get the nomination, because he's too far to the right, and he's also a terrible public speaker. And he isn't a viable potential running-mate for whoever does win the nomination, for those same exact reasons. This fairly strong showing is just a way for Iowans to voice their disgust with illegal immigration. And, seeing as how Iowa is pretty damn far away of the Mexican border, I believe this is a strong indication that illegal immigration will continue to be a very important issue throughout the remainder of this campaign.
5. Ron Paul - 1305 votes - 9.1%
Wow. He's not polling under 1% anymore, now is he? Everyone is just going to have to come to terms with the fact that Ron Paul really does have a significant base of support, as evidenced by his impressive fund-raising and his strong online presence. He won't win the nomination, of course, but I do expect him to be the last candidate to concede, and to give one helluva interesting speech at the GOP Convention (assuming they let him come within 100 meters of a microphone).
6. Tommy Thompson - 1,009 votes - 7.3%
You gotta feel bad for Tommy, the other Thompson. Here's a guy who was elected Governor of Wisconsin (a state that borders Iowa) four times, and made it a point to visit every single one of Iowa's 99 counties. But he still came in sixth. He had recently declared that he would drop out of the race if he didn't come in first or second. Well, he didn't, so goodbye Tommy. Maybe if you're lucky, the next President will be a fellow Republican, and he'll offer you the ambassadorship to Angola or something.
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— go to most recent comments1 - Jason
I don't think you can draw the same parallels between Romney's win and Bush's. Bush got about 3000 more votes than Romney did (suggesting the Iowa Republicans are lukewarm about their choices), and that was with all the top-tier candidates in. Romney could only get 31% against a field made up mainly of the second- and third-tier candidates.
He still may be able to spin this as a decisive win, but it puts a crimp in the aura of inevitability he's trying to establish, and I'd bet his campaign is privately concerned they couldn't crack 40% against this field.
Agreed Tommy Thompson is done (his campaign says they're making an announcement in 48 hours, which sounds to me like they're making the arrangements to shut it down). Hunter is probably toast, as he's been running on immigration also only to see Tancredo obliterate him. Might still make it to the caucuses but no further.
McCain doesn't just need a New Hampshire miracle, he almost needs a miracle in the next month or so just to show he's still viable.
2 - Carson
I am proud to be an American when I see the way the straw poll seemed to cut through some of the hype created by the media in favor of the over financed candidates.
Back about 1915 or so we had a politician named Woodrow Wilson that accepted a bribe to create the Federal Reserve. They were a group of very powerful bankers and businessmen from around the world at the time. Through the monopoly of being the source of our money and by being outside of our government, or paying any taxes, they have built up a fortune that, I believe, includes owning most of the politicians of the world.
It is going to take a determined, We the People, to restore law and order in our government before we can restore law and order in our once great nation.
"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
-Woodrow Wilson
3 - Heloise
Just check Heloise's checklist on "George and the GOP." It predicted and I have been predicting that Romney (with his 6 letters) would be the GOP nominee, rather than Guiliani (who is the national frontrunner). Also, my checklist ensured that the best looking candidate and the ones with the most checks would win the straw poll and the caucus, which may be in December.
4 - ToughGuy
"18.1% This was somewhat surprising. Huckabee was expected to do relatively well here, but not to grab second-place, garnering nearly one-in-five votes cast."
18.1 is closer to "one in six" (18.1 - 16.67 = 1.43) than it is to "one in five" (20.0 - 18.1 = 1.9).
I am smart, QED
5 - Dave Nalle
You guys seem to be forgetting that the straw poll means even less than the polls appearing in newspapers and on the cable news networks. I do think it's slightly more valid than internet polls, though.
Dave
6 - Luke
It looks like time and endless ammounts of money really do pay off. I'm glad to hear Ron Paul got a decent percentage of the votes, given that he is the only Republican candidate out there who I'd even consider voting for.
7 - Philip Blumel
This is the best short analysis of the Straw Poll that I have seen. As you suggest, the real winners of this poll were Huckabee and Paul, no doubt about it. Romney showed he deserves to be considered top tier, but that is a status quo position. Huckabee and Paul moved up a notch or two or three.
8 - Baronius
Romney has got to feel good about these results. He passed the first real test, getting a group of people to vote for the Mormon for President. All the looks and buzz don't matter if people won't vote for you. Apparently, they'll vote for Romney.
Huckabee's second place looks good, until you look at the gang of misfits he beat. I mean, really, do you walk away from a victory over Tancredo feeling presidential? But I like the advice to "keep your eye on this guy". He's positioned himself to make the jump into the first tier.
I don't see McCain dropping out any time soon. He's the Republican Obama, with national press sending him flowers and love poems every day. He can get more camera time without money than the other candidates could buy.
9 - Egbert Sousé
"This is roughly the same percentage George W. Bush got in 1999. And we all know what happened after that:"
Is the answer "worst president ever"?
I have to agree that the win isn't that impressive, but we'll have to see how it gets spun. I am surprised Newt didn't get any, and I don't think Paul is going to get any network TV time.
10 - gonzo marx
a few things...
the turn out of people for the straw poll was less than half of what it was in 99 for the 00 race...this would tend to indicate much less motivation on the part of Iowa caucus goers
the straw poll costs $35 per head to vote in, and campaigns routinely pay the fee to get votes...added to that the "paid" volunteers and the buses paid by the campaign and the Romney votes don't look anywhere near as promising as some would like to trumpet...
it should show Tommy Thompson, Tancredo, Duncan Hunter and Cox that it's time for them to bow out...we will see if ego allows it before more good money is thrown after bad...
just some Thoughts...
Excelsior?
11 - RJ
"the turn out of people for the straw poll was less than half of what it was in 99 for the 00 race"
In 1999, 23,685 people voted in the Iowa Straw Poll (a record high). Last night, 14,302 people voted in the Iowa Straw Poll. 14,302 is indeed less than 23,685, but it is not "less than half" - it's closer to 60%.
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"it should show Tommy Thompson, Tancredo, Duncan Hunter and Cox that it's time for them to bow out"
Thompson, yes. Hunter, probably. And Cox shouldn't even be running.
But why should Tancredo drop out at this point? Fourth place and almost 14% of the vote in a contest very far away from his home state is quite an impressive showing. Especially for a guy who was polling about 1-2% nationally, and was given almost no media coverage outside of talk radio, except for the occasion passing mention of him in the MSM as a "controversial far-right one-issue long-shot candidate with a divisive political agenda" or words to that effect...
12 - Lee Richards
Re #2:
Carson:
What is your source for stating that Wilson accepted a bribe to create the Federal Reserve?
Was Congress bribed too?
What bankers and businessmen were involved?
13 - Dave Nalle
Perhaps he thinks that when Jay Gould gave the government a $64 million no-interest loan to cover the budget deficit that was some sort of bribe.
I'd also like to see a source for that quote from Wilson. It sounds extremely atypical.
Dave
14 - Dave Nalle
It only took a tiny bit of research. The quote is spurious. Part of it is something Wilson actually said but the first two sentences are fraudulent. He was not, in fact, talking about the federal reserve, but about the oligarchic character of government in general.
For some explanation of the bogus quote see WikiQuote.
Dave
15 - RJ
Tommy Thompson is finished (as I predicted).
16 - gonzo marx
for RJ in #11 - my bad, i had thought it was closer to 30k in '99, from an MSNBC report...
but still...little more than half by your numbers...and the top 3 Contenders did not contest the field, whereas in '99 only one was missing...if Memory serves
from what i heard on Meet the Press, Huckabee is the surprise of the day, getting more Votes than tickets he paid for, running no ads in Iowa, with one negative ad ran against him by the Family Council...that's impressive and would make one wonder if he didn't do really well in the last debate among some mid-western voters...will be interesting to see how his national numbers do in a week or three
for Tancredo...poor showing in a place he really needed to hit 20% or better on in order to even dream of getting some $$$ rolling into the campaign...if he doesn't pull 2nd or third in both Iowa and NH he's a lost Cause(i think he is anyway)
just the way i See it right now
(for RJ - great Anecdote!)
Excelsior?
17 - Clavos
"for Tancredo...poor showing in a place he really needed to hit 20% or better on in order to even dream of getting some $$$ rolling into the campaign...if he doesn't pull 2nd or third in both Iowa and NH he's a lost Cause(i think he is anyway)"
As well he should be, bigoted SOB that he is.
18 - gonzo marx
lol...now now, Clavos..don't hold back, tell us how you really feel about him...
i'm not making Value judgments about any of the Candidates at this point...just keeping an Eye on the rat races...
Huckabee is a tough call, he didn't hit that 20% number either, but he came damn close with very little investment...like i said, watch this guys numbers in the next month or two...he pulls an actual second place in the real Caucus, the top tier should be pooping cinder blocks...
Excelsior?
19 - Dave Nalle
You know, Huckabee is very personable and has some interesting, moderate ideas. What bugs me about him is that he seems to be so religiously extreme. Wasn't he one of the three who raised their hands in favor of creationism?
But I'm with Clavos on Tancredo. Despite very good positions on taxes and social security and other issues, he's both a racist fool and a fortress america ubersecurity nut.
Dave
20 - RJ
Epic link, gonzo. Thanks. :)
21 - gonzo marx
(was that the BEST Lone Ranger story in my link, or what?)
heh...
Excelsior?
22 - RJ
"What bugs me about him is that he seems to be so religiously extreme."
I don't know that he's "extreme" in his religion, but he is an ordained minister, so I believe it's reasonable to expect him to talk quite a bit about God and religion.
23 - Clavos
Mos' scocious link, gonz!!
(Would have loved to have seen that guy's face when the LR came out of the car!)
24 - Dave Nalle
I don't know that he's "extreme" in his religion, but he is an ordained minister, so I believe it's reasonable to expect him to talk quite a bit about God and religion.
RJ, that's really not what I'm looking for in a president.
Dave
25 - Nancy
Romney's spin is that the leading candidates who didn't deign to compete didn't do so because they took one look at his various "platforms" (?) and were SOOOO intimidated they decided not to run against him. !?!?!?! Now THAT is hubris.