Interview: Carl Sheeler, Democratic Candidate For Senate In Rhode Island - Page 5

Part of: On The Road To 2008

CS: Thank you. Our global competitiveness and ensuring good paying jobs will always be well rooted in quality education initiatives; especially, in the Maths and Sciences. Las Vegas would never be the same again and I think you'll find that not only the poor enjoy gaming. In fact, an argument could be made that when the poor folks do buy lottery tickets for education it relieves the tax burden on other social programs thay have to compete for allocation.

People want to have the hope of the big money and when it's their choice to pay to play versus to be taxed, they'll always gravitate to choice.

DN: Former Providence School Board member Julia Steiny had an editorial in the Providence Journal last week which made a very strong argument for the expansion of school choice in Rhode Island, following the example set by nearby Boston. Her ideas are echoed by parents and inner-city and minority activist groups which are crying out for school choice as a solution to the chronic problems in education all over the country. The current administration seems to have gone down the wrong path with its "No Child Left Behind" plan. Would you, as a Senator, consider participation in a federal effort to promote innovative education solutions like charter schools, multi-district choice and even educational vouchers?

CS: The Bill Gates Foundation is spot on. It's not leave no child behind, it's leave no school behind. The bar has to be raised for expectation of the role of the community on our parents, unions and teachers that involves both during- and after-school programs supported by big and small businesses as well as civic and faith based organizations. No plan works without having local community involvement and high expectations. An absence of funding will cripple a school system as will chronic spending with no clear performance milestones.

The choices above address the symptoms and don't fix the root cause of failure to adequately prepare our kids for further learning, life and work following graduation. What will and has worked is more than lipservice is ensuring our at risk kids' educational investment is made.

Otherwise, more funds will be expended in law enforcement and judicial process than in ensuring an adequate environment exists to learn. I'd welcome the federal government's commitment to an investment in our kid's future no matter what form it may take if it can be shown to work.

DN: One of the most important questions facing our legislators in the next few years is the issue of our ongoing dependence on foreign oil, which makes us vulnerable to manipulation by foreign powers, weakens our economy and even drags us into war. What measures would you take to establish energy independence for the United States? Would you consider methods to increase domestic production such as drilling in ANWR and off the coast of Florida? Would you support government programs to encourage construction of new Nuclear power plants? How would you reduce demand for oil for automobiles and accelerate a shift to alternative fuel vehicles?

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  • 1 - Michael J. West

    Aug 09, 2006 at 11:33 am

    Damn good interview, Mr. Nalle. You asked a lot of tough, informed, if opinionated, questions (some it might be fair to call "loaded," like the War on Drugs one), and you do it well.

    But even more impressively, he seems to have tackled each of them head-on, with little of the hedging and answering-questions-you-didn't-ask that I've come to expect. OK, granted, he did dodge your social security question, but what he did say was pretty smart and interesting, I thought.

  • 2 - gonzo marx

    Aug 09, 2006 at 11:52 am

    good Interview!

    thanks for bringing this Candidate to our attention

    and good luck to the Candidate, he reads like the right man for the Job

    your mileage may vary

    Excelsior?

  • 3 - Jodin

    Aug 09, 2006 at 12:51 pm

    Impeach Bush yourself! No Joke.
    This is much more than just a petition.

    There's a little known and rarely used clause of the "Jefferson Manual" in the rules for the House of Representatives which sets forth the various ways in which a president can be impeached. Only the House Judiciary Committee puts together the Articles of Impeachment, but before that happens, someone has to initiate the process.

    That's where we come in. In addition to the State-by-State method, one of the ways to get impeachment going is for individual citizens like you and me to submit a memorial. ImpeachforPeace.org has created a new memorial based on one which was successful in impeaching a federal official in the past. You can find it on their website as a PDF.

    You can initiate the impeachment process yourself by downloading the memorial, filling in the relevant information in the blanks (your name, state, etc.), and sending it in.

    ImpeachForPeace.org/

    More information on the precedent for submitting an impeachment
    memorial, and the House Rules on this procedure, can also be found at
    the above address.

    "I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace."
    Bush, June 18, 2002

    "War is Peace."
    Big Brother in George Orwell's 1984

  • 4 - Boxclocke

    Aug 09, 2006 at 12:59 pm

    Great interview! If the Lieberman thing is any indicator, 2006 is the year in which Democratic voters are really going to challenge the status quo. If this guy is as genuine as he seems, he may just stand a chance.

  • 5 - Dave Nalle

    Aug 09, 2006 at 1:32 pm

    But even more impressively, he seems to have tackled each of them head-on, with little of the hedging and answering-questions-you-didn't-ask that I've come to expect. OK, granted, he did dodge your social security question, but what he did say was pretty smart and interesting, I thought.

    He didn't just dodge the Social Security question, he answered it with something goofy and nonsensical with his 'donut hole' analogy. But on the whole it was an interesting set of answers.

    He also sort of dodged the question about the party's lack of support for the 'Fighting Dems'. It's a major issue, and one which he is directly impacted by, but he sort of gave the party a break, when he could have laid into them a lot harder.
    Dave

  • 6 - Michael J. West

    Aug 09, 2006 at 2:22 pm

    he sort of gave the party a break, when he could have laid into them a lot harder.

    But that can't have been a surprise, can it? How hard is he gonna attack a party whose nomination he's pursuing?

  • 7 - Michael J. West

    Aug 09, 2006 at 2:24 pm

    And I liked the idea, if not the metaphor, of the "donut hole" deal.

  • 8 - Dave Nalle

    Aug 09, 2006 at 2:47 pm

    I like the metaphor more than the idea, myself.

    I'm actually working on a sort of follow-up article to this which I may or may not put on BC.

    Sheeler's comments, in light of the Lamont victory in Connecticut, raise a lot of interesting issues about where the Democratic party is going.

    Dave

  • 9 - Carl Sheeler

    Aug 09, 2006 at 3:22 pm

    Dave - splendid job and I appreciate your viewers' feedback. For Jodin, we were the first to employ the Jefferson Manual rules which allows a state legislative body without Governor approval to submit a resolution directly to the US House floor for vote. It's expedited and must be heard. We went to bat three times with full articles of Impeachment, but the insider herd supporting my opponent did not want to give too much political benefit, so they killed it. Love establishment Democrat leadership taking care of their oath to our Constitution.

    No dodging questions here.

    cls

  • 10 - pleasexcusetheinteruption12

    Aug 09, 2006 at 4:07 pm

    I like the donut whole idea AND the metaphor. In fact why not just cut the donut in half, and make the cap the minimum?

  • 11 - Liz S.

    Aug 09, 2006 at 5:33 pm

    For anyone who's reading this and thinking about actively supporting Carl Sheeler (do.it.), I will add my own experience and perception.

    I met Carl as a student activist/organizer at Brown. And, regardless of donut holes, I can say with all honesty that he and his team, especially his wonderful partner, Sara, are some of the most hardworking, caring, non-elitist, honest and responsible people I've ever met.

    More so than even millionare Ned Lamont, Sheeler represents a truly regular guy, an every-day person who is actually JUST passionate about reforming the many broken systems that hinder our government and burden our fellow-citizens, not to mention others around the world. If elected, he will do more good than any of his competetors. I have not a single doubt in my mind.

    I hope that you choose to actively* support Carl Sheeler, however you can. I have, along with a lot of the most dedicated grass-roots organizers in RI. even if it just means adding your name to his list-serve or whatever.

    Bests Carl and Sara!

  • 12 - Steve M.

    Aug 09, 2006 at 6:34 pm

    This interview is yet another example of why Carl should be the Democratic nominee for Senator. When's the last time you heard Sheldon Whitehouse take any position on any issue that wasn't the usual fluffy, feel good, shallow commentary that characterizes the 'establishment' politicians? Say what you want about some of Carl's answers, but I find them so refreshing and real. I honestly can't understand why any level headed person could support Whitehouse over Sheeler.

    Despite your characterization of Carl as a longshot Dave, I won't be surprised when he beats Whitehouse in the primary. I think there's a lot more support out there in the grassroots than anyone thinks, despite 1) the mainstream media's efforts to marginalize him, and 2) Sheldon Whitehouse's efforts to refuse to debate Sheeler until it's politically "safe" to do so. Heck, has Whitehouse even acknowledged that he has an opponent? I can only laugh as it reminds me of the parallel to Ben & Jerry's clever 1987 campaign when Pillsbury (and their Haagen-Dazs division) attempted to prevent B&J from being sold in supermarkets where Haagen-Dazs was sold: "What's the Doughboy Afraid Of?"

  • 13 - Dave Nalle

    Aug 09, 2006 at 8:48 pm

    I'll certainly shed no tears for Whitehouse, who seems to offer nothing interesting whatsoever as a Democratic candidate. Sheeler would make for a more interesting race, and the Democrats could certainly use some new blood and new ideas.

    I have to be honest and admit that I'm rooting for Chafee overall, and a Sheeler win in the primary would likely assure that no one crossed over and voted Democrat, thereby increasing Chafees chances of winning. I have to support Chafee because he's one of the few rays of hope in the GOP and if he doesn't win reelection that's a victory for the forces of evil which have infiltrated the GOP, and I don't want them to gain even a tiny millimeter.

    Dave

  • 14 - Scott

    Aug 09, 2006 at 10:27 pm

    I wonder if Lieberman's defeat (or McKinney's or Schwarz in MI-07) is making Chafee a little more nervous about his primary battle.

    Chafee's particular race has always piqued my interest. Even if he survives the primary, he's not assured re-election. But, if he does get re-elected and the Dems manage to take control of the Senate, would he go ahead and switch parties? Or, pull a Jeffords and go independent? Definitely one to watch.

  • 15 - Dave Nalle

    Aug 09, 2006 at 10:36 pm

    Chafee is in a unique situation, because he's a moderate Republican facing a challenger more to the right than he is and then a likely challenge from a Democrat who's ALSO more to the right than he is in the general election. Very weird.

    I hope that Chafee will have the integrity not to switch parties if the scenario you suggest comes to pass. We need him desperately in the GOP, even if the Dems gain a majority in the Senate.

    Dave

  • 16 - pleasexcusetheinteruption12

    Aug 09, 2006 at 10:47 pm

    I took a quick look at the poll numbers and maybe I was getting numbers mixed up or something but if I rem correctly, Sheeler was polling less than 3% in February against other Dems, and in June was up to 45%. Not exactly a longshot esp. considering 35% of voters were still undecided and the momentum is with him. I also wonder how much more effective his grassroots campaign might be in a smaller state like RI and how much more volatile the polling might be.

  • 17 - Carl Sheeler

    Aug 10, 2006 at 12:21 am

    Thanks, please excuse. Dave, it's true that 25% of those in the GOP voted for Chafee thinking it was his father John. That's unlikely to happen in '06. W is no Bush Sr. and Linc is not his father.

    Sheldon has been making the point that a GOP win ensures Frist sets the Senate agenda and in the end... if Chafee wanted to be an independent voice for the people, his choice ought to have been disaffiliation to at least an Independent.

    This would have reconciled with his write in of Bush Sr's. name in the 2004 prez' elections.

    A last point... it's one thing to vote against the war and entirely another to actively push for our troops removal from Iraq. In the end, I believe this will be his downfall.

  • 18 - Dave Nalle

    Aug 10, 2006 at 2:25 am

    PETI. Where did you find that poll with Carl at 45%. I tried my damnedest to find it and couldn't. It wasn't the poll of 300 Brown University students, was it? I kind of had to discount that one. The most recent major poll I saw had Whitehouse around 45%, Sheeler at under 10% and 35% undecided, as I recall, and that was from a couple of weeks ago. The Sheeler campaign folks were going to send me a link to a more recent poll but I never got it. Maybe since Carl's here he could help us out with that.

    Dave

  • 19 - Dave Nalle

    Aug 10, 2006 at 2:36 am

    Sheldon has been making the point that a GOP win ensures Frist sets the Senate agenda and in the end... if Chafee wanted to be an independent voice for the people, his choice ought to have been disaffiliation to at least an Independent.

    Not a good thing for those of us who still hold out hopes for GOP reform from within. We need all the moderates, nonconformists and freethinking types we can get.

    Just as you're part of an effort to put the Dems back on track, there is a major effort to set the GOP back to where it ought to be. To put it back to the party of John Chafee, Barry Goldwater and Bob Dole - or at least something they would have recognized as a reasonable party. It's not getting the kind of coverage that the more radical Dem candidates are, but it's going on behind the scenes, nonetheless.

    Dave

  • 20 - Nancy

    Aug 10, 2006 at 9:33 am

    Excellent article, Dave. Very interesting. I hope you're right about rank-&-file GOPs trying to take back The Party to where it should be; for too long it's been hijacked by the corrupt, BushCo lockstep far-right crowd who in fact share nothing of traditional GOP values & who in the past 6 years seem to have been doing their utmost to do exactly the opposite, by instituting big, intrusive, big-spending government. IMO the Abramoff scandal may be one of the best things to happen to the GOP in a long, long time, because it will remove some of the worst of the abusers, if it hasn't already, and (hopefully) loosen the grip of the remaining BushCo yes-men like Frist & Hastert. What Bush & Cheney & their camp followers have done to the GOP is enough to make any Republican moderate weep with rage & frustration.

    Which is exactly why I'm hoping & praying that the recent ouster of Lieberman is an inkling of a coming groundswell of angry voters taking back power from stupid & non-representative Party hacks on both sides. IMO these Party insiders, Dem & GOP, are so clueless & removed from reality as the voters live it, they render the Parties themselves to be equally clueless & removed from reality.

  • 21 - pleasexcusetheinteruption12

    Aug 10, 2006 at 11:07 am

    My poll numbers come from: dailykos.com
    in the second paragraph it mentions poll #s of whitehouse and sheeler, but I dont know where they come from or their margin of error or who was polled or anything, which is why i indicated i was unsure about the #s when I posted them.

  • 22 - Dave Nalle

    Aug 10, 2006 at 2:52 pm

    You miss the point, Nancy. Bush and Cheney are not actually the problem in the GOP. The problem is the special interests they pander to. They're just typical venal politicians. Going after them solves nothing, because there are scores more just like them waiting in the wings. What the party needs to be purged of are the special interest and one-issue fanatics who sacrifice real GOP values in service of some crazy 'cause'.

    Dave

  • 23 - Dave Nalle

    Aug 10, 2006 at 2:53 pm

    PETI, experience has taught me not to believe anything posted at DailyKos. But maybe with those numbers I can track the poll down.

    Dave

  • 24 - Dave Nalle

    Aug 10, 2006 at 3:01 pm

    I checked again, and all references to that polling data seem to originate in the Sheeler campaign. I previously asked them for a copy of the poll, but although they promised to provide it they never did.

    The most recent and most favorable polls I can find show Sheeler losing even if he got 100% of the undecided vote.

    Dave

  • 25 - Nancy

    Aug 10, 2006 at 3:15 pm

    BTW, I really, Really like this piece, Dave. Good job!

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