I've gone through my thesaurus looking for words to convey my revulsion and anger. I've run out of words.
You know, I'd like to find it in me somewhere to repeat the politically correct refrains about our Muslim friends, but the "Religion of Peace" is at it again.…
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— go to most recent comments26 - Josh
Moonraven, I'll ignore you calling me a name for the moment and deal with the attempt at substance in your post.
This article is about this story. That I don't reference rape in its many forms and by its many perpetrators doesn't mean I support some kinds of rape and not others.
You didn't bat one eye about the kittens that are tortured in some corners of the world in any of your comments. I don't automatically assume you hate kittens.
27 - Josh
You should be wearing sackcloth and setting yourself on fire with lighter fluid in a public square.
You first. Can I get a demonstration?
You support your country's government, therefore you support terror in all of its forms all around this planet
Once again, you assume facts not in evidence with a statement that is shockingly bereft of logic or sense.
28 - moonraven
You have not shown anything to disprove what I said about you. Nothing.
I don't think setting myself on fire in the little plaza of my village in Mexico would exactly make the point about US terrorism.
29 - Josh
That's one part of the point. We're not supposed to be discussing me or calling me names but focusing on the issue. I'm irrelevant to all of this.
It's not my burden of proof, either. You have assumed my support for things without the benefit of any shred of evidence to support it. Support your baseless accusations. I don't have to disprove what you've failed miserably to prove in the first place.
30 - Josh
The ad hominem statements continue. Well done. Once again, rather than discussing the issue you make feeble attempts to impugn me.
I mean what I said by sinking to a new low. That you couldn't follow it doesn't make me the ass. This sentence is vile and despicable. It sets a new low mark. It is a perfectly acceptable phrase.
31 - moonraven
No, it isn't.
I have already indicated the phrases which would be acceptable usage. Neither you nor Nalle writes acceptable English.
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And reading your foolish defense of your misusage of English is just irritating. Also, your piece is not NEWS, it is OPINION. Your job, as writer of an OPINION piece, is to convince folks that you have a legitimate beef. Clearly, you failed at your job.
All you did is shoot off your mouth--in typical Ugly American fashion--about something that happened in another country which you know nothing about.
As for supporting my accusations, here are two pieces of support:
1. I have never seen a pic of you protesting US atrocities in other countries, nor your name on the list of any protestors
2. You have not protested those atrocities on this site or any other site.
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32 - El Bicho
Josh, having a conversation with Moonraven is like Brer Rabbit fighting the tar baby.
33 - moonraven
There are several tar babies on this site, but I am not one of them.
I am clearly Brer Rabbit--or the Roadrunner to you dimwit Wile E. Coyotes with Acme Products tattooed across your keyboards.
Chuck Jones--who created Wyle E.--said Wile E. was the perfect example of a fanatic: someone who redoubles his efforts when he's forgotten his aim.
I believe Chuck (RIP) was correct.
34 - brian
That will teach them for being a victim!
incidentally, the same happens to muslims. Take the case of the palestinians, who suffer at the hands of israel..just because they are victims.
35 - moonraven
Yes, brian: But you have to respect the enormous limitations of the "skater dude" who wrote this piece in regard to geopolitics.
Best that we just bury this crap and move on to other threads--or other lives.
36 - A. Hathaway
Moonraven,
"Gringo Hypocrit" - nice
What would you call his wife? I've met her and she is a lot like him.
I would appreciate any advice you could give me. This piece, along with its comments, will make a great story! Keep up the good work!
37 - moonraven
The feminine form of gringo is gringA.
Works for me.
Advice about what?
How to use the English language when writing for publication?
Or about how to beat the system when you are young, female and Saudi? (Hint: the Seef Mall as at the other end of the Bahraini Causeway.)
38 - Matthew T. Sussman
"You have not shown anything to disprove what I said about you."
God that's funny.
39 - DavibByron
There were two rape victims.
The man she was with was also attacked kidnapped and raped by the gang. He was also convicted under the same law which says he can't be with an unrelated woman, His punishment was identical to hers.
In short the only sexism in this case comes from the critics and media coverage of the Saudis. They have colluded to airbrush out the male rape victim so as to fabricate a case of sexism against Saudi Arabia. The result will likely be to deny justice to the second rape victim in the rush to protect the first.
40 - moonraven
There's always something like this at the bottom of something that is whipped up by ignorant and cynical media so that they can look like they are real, ethical, caring human beings while they gouge out somebody else's eyes.
Thanks for the information.
You have been the only poster on this site besides myself to post any information in months.
Everybody else is just a gratuitous giver of Fox News' opinions--as if nobody in the US had a tv.
41 - Baritone
If Moon ran the world - which she doubtless believes she's worthy of - we would all be dead. She would be left alone feeling smug and superior while standing in her own offal while believing the smell is wafting from the rotting dead.
B-tone
42 - Dave Nalle
In short the only sexism in this case comes from the critics and media coverage of the Saudis. They have colluded to airbrush out the male rape victim so as to fabricate a case of sexism against Saudi Arabia. The result will likely be to deny justice to the second rape victim in the rush to protect the first.
You've got a point, however the larger point remains. Why are EITHER of the rape VICTIMS being punished at all?
Dave
43 - Baritone
Dave is quite right. Also, this is not an isolated incident, and in the great majority of such occurences it is the women who carry the brunt of injustice.
I know some will look upon our revulsion as a cultural bias, or cultural ignorance as Moon apparently contends. That argument is bullshit.
What we are looking at is a culture that has not made significant progress in more than a thousand years. They have refused to grow and accept change. It is a glaring example of religion digging in its heals, much as the catholic church did for nearly a thousand years after the fall of Rome, placing itself and its interests between the people and enlightenment. It is ugly and stupid. Their stolid adherence to ancient dogma can only lead to much greater destruction, suffering and death. All for the idiot notion and fear of an imaginary vengeful god.
B-tone
44 - A. Hathaway
Moonraven,
Did you notice any similarities between the author's last name and mine?
Sorry. Couldn't resist. [Personal attack deleted by Comments Editor]
Cheers!
45 - Moonraven
Yes, I did.
Which is why I gave you the response I gave you.
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46 - Moonraven
My best advice: Get a job.
47 - A.Hathaway
Moonraven,
I would suggest you do the same.
48 - troll
roadrunner fer sure
49 - moonraven
Gringa,
I do consulting for universities in Latin America and the Middle East and give presentations about Latin American issues in Latin America, the US and the Middle East.
I also have a theater group here in Mexic, and provide voluntary technical assistance to a livestock association I helped found.
Oh--and I am semi-retired.
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50 - Josh
as if nobody in the US had a tv.
Because we all know TV is where the truth can be found.
51 - Josh
If I get there ahead of you, I'll put in a good word for you with management now that you're semi-retired. I think I speak for a wide group of people when I say we'd love it if you had something to occupy the time you spend slinging ad hominem attacks, crashing non sequitirs, and other inane babblings.
52 - moonraven
I don't give a fuck if you speak for thousands--or even millions--of gringo skater dudes.
Your opinion matters not a whit to me.
Silly teenagers living at home sponging off parents give me a pain.
53 - Josh
Just remember to smile when you ask the customers if they want fries with that, okay?
Seeing how my opinion doesn't count -- nor does anyone else's, or so it seems -- it probably doesn't matter that I'm not a teenager, I don't live at home, and I don't sponge off my parents but there it is.
54 - Josh
Oh, and I've never skated.
55 - moonraven
No, it DOESN'T matter.
56 - Josh
Well, you're the one who brought it up. Oh, well.
You just continue with your imaginary lectures on foreign policy. You're doing a bang-up job on the Middle East. I don't know where we'd be without you.
57 - Franco
trollster, lock and load.
58 - Franco
#64 â€" A.Hathaway
It has been my experience that those who flaunt what they are never really have it in the first place.
Spoken for Turth!
59 - moonraven
And, no doubt, Turth--whoever he is, was really interested in the experience of a 17-year-old.
60 - Josh
Nice to see you're a person of your word.
61 - handyguy
Update on the story [as opposed to the rather dull Josh vs Moon 'debate']:
Public pressure may possibly have accomplished something--this is from the wire services today.
Saudi Arabia's foreign minister said the kingdom's judiciary was reviewing a sentence of six months in jail and 200 lashes handed down to a gang rape victim, official media said on Tuesday.
"There is currently a review process being carried out into the ruling by the judicial system," the SPA news agency quoted Prince Saud al-Faisal as telling reporters from the US-hosted Middle East peace conference.
The sentence against the 19-year-old girl in the ultra-conservative Muslim state has attracted widespread international condemnation, including from human rights groups and the White House.
62 - Josh
Thanks for the update, Handyguy. I'll look into this myself.
63 - A.Hathaway
handyguy,
Thanks for the update. I suppose it would have been just as helpful without slinging the shit at other people on the way in.
64 - A.Hathaway
Moon,
What is it with you thinking we are teenagers? No one has given you any LEGITIMATE reason to think that. It undermines you when you make so many baseless assumptions. It truly doesn't make any sense.
For someone who claims to speak the truth, you say whatever you want with no regard for the facts. Why don't we try talking constructively? This tautology has spiraled into a new dimension of ridiculous. We should create a new article specifically about "The battle of the commentators" and then this thread would make more sense.
Seriously. Why are you so angry?
65 - Luigi
No it is not religion, political parties, even gender. The basic problem is the lust for power. The many over the few. The strong over the weak. The only animal over the earth that has become the master of this characteristic is the likes of you and me. When frustration reigns injustice rules and the inocent suffer. Be good not bad, help your neighbor not just your friends, support the less fortunate do not be indiferent, feed the hungry and heal the sick. Love, real love is what matters.
66 - handyguy
To A Hathaway:
If I am reading you correctly, and you are accusing me of 'slinging shit,' chill out. You can't post the kind of comments you've been posting and be that silly-oversensitive too. Josh's, yours, and Moonraven's multiple and repetitive comments [the most recent ones, I mean], only a few of which are related to the article, are dull. And pointless.
67 - A.Hathaway
Handyguy,
If we are boring you, feel free to move along. You've now become part of the club with your jab at the 3 of us.
68 - handyguy
...yawn...
69 - Moonraven
I assume when someone acts VERY IMAATURELY, yet has a computer and feels comfortable posting on sites normally frequented by adults, that the person is a teenager.
Adolescent behavior normally indicates that one is a teenager.
If it walks like a duck, etc.
But if it's a gringa or gringo, perhaps all bets are off--as you folks are dedicated to the proposition of never growing up.
70 - A. Hathaway
So, I suppose name calling is mature behavior then?
71 - moonraven
Have the last word, there, gringos. It's YOUR thread, after all.
Everything I do is perfect. Just like Nalle.
72 - Clavos
"...you folks are dedicated to the proposition of never growing up."
Laissez les bons temps rouler!!
73 - moonraven
Right.
Only you ain't got nothin' to roll with and nobody to roll....
Fantasies, and 5 bucks....coffee of your choice.
74 - Clavos
Your double negative is correct, mr.
75 - moonraven
Anything I do or say is correct. Always.