One frailty of man is that he is very adept at finding excuses to justify laziness and irresponsibility. There’s no point helping people because everyone is just out for himself anyway. Why study or work? I mean, no one is going to give me a break. I won’t take care of myself because you’ve got to die of something. We can’t deport 12-20 million illegal aliens.
I could point out that the word “can’t” never used to be in the American vocabulary. I could mention that members of the “can’t” set find it entirely possible to tax 100 million people and then transfer the money in hand-outs to 80 million others. Some of them even aspire to control the health care of 300 million Americans through government. Why, their ambitions just seem to grow with the size of the big government scheme.
There are two truths here. First, if ancient Egyptians could build the pyramids, if ancient Chinese constructed the Great Wall, we can deport any number of invaders and keep them out.
The second truth is that we don’t have to.
The answer is – and these ideas aren’t original, as Michael Savage has espoused them as well – we can get illegal aliens to deport themselves. All we need understand is that man operates based on incentive, on reward and consequence, and devise policy accordingly. I now propose a foolproof five-point plan that would put an end to the invasion of America.
1. Enact laws ensuring that employers who hire illegals will be punished harshly enough to deter the behavior; this will take the illegals’ jobs away.
2. Enact laws prohibiting illegals from receiving any government benefits.
3. Eliminate the standard that confers citizenship on children born to illegals on our soil.
These three measures alone will eliminate the incentive to be here, causing most to return to where they belong. But this is just the removal of the carrot; now we need application of the stick.
4. Enact a law stating that any alien caught on our soil beyond a certain date will be subject to severe criminal penalties and his assets will be seized.
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— go to most recent comments1 - Marge
Amen to this astute author. Of course, it is all about the perks. Illegal aliens do not live in fear. They continuously violate our laws including driving without licences, use false ID's and access social services meant for US citizens. On top of that, they claim they are religious while having multiple children out of wedlock and lining up for presumtive medicaid so US taxpayers can foot the bill and give away citizenship. The major deterrent to the illegal alien crisis not mentioned here is leadership. It starts from the top. If only we had a leader who said illegal entry is a crime and that it would be punished. Its the difference between Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan in the Iranian Hostage Crisis. The world knew that Ronald Reagan meant business. Words have meaning and can be powerful as a deterrent to crime. When we have a President who says it is impossible to have secure borders unless we have a guest worker program, we are saying to the world that we don't believe in enforcement. It is baffling why the Republican Party continues to back this President who has the lowest approval rating in modern times. Why any Senators would want to align themselves with this President and his failed policies is also baffling. If the Republican Party went back to its core principles, it would surge. I still don't think they get it. SECURE THE BORDER. It is required as part of national security, not as part of a "bribe" or "trigger". Deport the aliens.
2 - Clavos
"Deport the aliens."
Fair enough.
But let's deport ALL the aliens: ALL the Latinos, ALL the Asians, ALL the Europeans, ALL the Muslims (especially them!), ALL the Africans, Brits, Poles, Italians, Germans, Norwegians, Swedes, Greeks, Egyptians, Russians, Spaniards, Portuguese, Irish, Japanese, Polynesians, Indians, Australians, New Zealanders, etc., etc...They're ALL aliens.
ALL THE ALIENS - only the "Native Americans" get to stay.
When can we start?
3 - Dee
Alow me to edit "Deport the illegal aliens"... With that one word, illegal, Clovis' retort is meaningless.
4 - Dr Dreadful
Clav, from what I've seen, Mr Duke is basically a one-issue contributor. He has nothing new to say. I don't think he's worth your [electronic] breath.
5 - Doug Hunter
Interesting, the immigration situation we have today has evolved from unenforced laws. Laws and regulation with lax and sporadic enforcement are some of the most corrupting and serious problems with government IMO.
It's much more than immigration. When government sets a bar (often too high or with unreasonable red tape) and doesn't enforce it the free market takes over and people start pushing the limits. That sets up the situation we have now with immigration. Since many players are at fault bureacrats have free reign to harass and punish entities at will. The good old boys, the companies that provide the right donations don't get busted. The one's that fired the ICE officer's cousin get raided and shut down. It'd be a joke if it weren't such a serious example of a rampant flaw in our system.
For society to function freely and with a sense of fairplay laws and regulations should be created sparingly with a clear and measurable purpose and enforced consistently with uniform punishment. (if those requirements aren't met the law should be removed or replaced)
6 - STM
I'll agree that New Zealanders are aliens, Clav. By the way, I'm intrigued - do you think "Selwyn" is a fair-dinkum name? Would parents in this day and age really call their child Selwyn? Not living in the US, I just don't know. Or perhaps the author has simply picked what he thinks is the most anglo name possible. Either way, coupled with this extreme right-wing rubbish, it just makes him sound like a ponce.
7 - Dr Dreadful
STM sez: I'll agree that New Zealanders are aliens, Clav.
That's a given. No human rugby team could take your Aussie arses to town the way the All Blacks do on a regular basis! ;-)
8 - STM
"With that one word, illegal, Clovis' retort is (blab blah blah)"
Clovis, now, eh Clav? Did you know Clovis was a King of the Franks at the time of the Roman Empire, and united all of Gaul under his reign?
He was also regarded by the Romans as an illegal immigrant, but clearly he had as much right to live in Gaul as they did. Eventually, they realised it was a lost cause and got him onside.
9 - STM
Doc said: "That's a given. No human rugby team could take your Aussie arses to town the way the All Blacks do on a regular basis!"
Yep, that'd be it Doc. It'd also be the reason why the All Blacks have won one world cup and the Wallabies are the only team to have won two.
Now, on a SERIOUS note, that might change at this World Cup. I watched the Springboks absolutely demolish your mob in Bloemfontein on Saturday, and they look awesome on the back of the South African teams' showing in the Super 14. The Bulls and Sharks contested the final in Durban, and they were far and away the two best teams in the comp this year. The other japies weren't that far behind, either.
The Wallabies, meanwhile, were lucky to score a late try that gave them a win against Wales in Sydney on Saturday night. The Welsh side looked to be, like, Wales E - with 20 or so regular squad members missing. Australia just looked inept. No go forward on the fringes until Gregan came on late, heaps of possession they couldn't convert to points, and heaps of bumbling out in the backline that led to a host of errors and a mountain of dropped ball.
Argentina, meanwhile, gave Ireland a touch up at Lansdowne Road - so I'm having second thoughts about Ireland getting into the final.
The All Black juggernaut is yet to be unleashed. They look fearsome. My tip: Either South Africa or New Zealand to win the Cup, possibly with France a chance. Your mob, my mob - both going home with faces like trodden-on cocker spaniels after the quarter finals :)
10 - Clavos
"Alow (sic) me to edit "Deport the illegal aliens"... With that one word, illegal, Clovis' retort is meaningless."
The addition of one word (or even a dozen words) doesn't change my point nor make it meaningless, as you put it.
Did you know that virtually everyone whose ancestors came here before the 1920s came in freely, with no laws, restrictions or quotas to impede them? And that many of them, especially in the 18th century, were criminals transported here to clear out English and other European prisons.
Quotas, ironically, were established to keep the numbers of those horrible people from Europe down; no one in those days even considered that the slimy Latinos would one day want to come here, too, so they had no quotas.
There are hundreds of thousands of Mexicans all along this side of the border whose families have been here for hundreds of years, since before there even WAS a USA.
Unfortunately, we were unsuccessful at stopping all those lowlifes from places like Ireland and Germany and Norway, and Italy, and now look what they've done to our beautiful country!
So, by all means, let's get rid of all those European and African scum and leave the country to its rightful owners, the Native Americans.
What's that you say? Most of the Mexicans are indigenous peoples? Why, just look at their brown skins, they look just like the Seminoles and Mohicans and Iroquois. What's that? They were here first?
Oh well, guess they get to stay after all.
Oh, and BTW, Dee my moniker is C L A V O S. That's Spanish, Dee.
11 - Clavos
Doc #4:
I know, it's a waste, but I can't help myself.
I've tried twelve step programs and everything; nothing works.
But it does feel good to vent.
12 - Clavos
Stan,
That's the PERFECT word, "ponce."
Love it.
Every time I put on me fucken 'at, I just want to kick arse.
Fair dinkum, mate.
13 - Dr Dreadful
And Clavos concedes: pointless trying to reason with young Selwyn and his minions, so let's talk about sport instead.
I'm not a rugby fan, Stan, which is just as well because the closest one generally gets to a game of rugger here is if a quarterback loses his helmet while being sacked. But I did happen to catch some of the SA-England game on Saturday: implausibly, it was on TV in a bar in San Diego where I was visiting for the weekend. I wasn't paying much attention except inasmuch as I was trying to explain the rules to my bewildered brother-in-law - which was quite interesting as I don't really know them myself! I would look up at the screen every few minutes to discover that the Springboks had discreetly added another 50 or so points in my absence - rather embarrassing.
I dunno about the quarter-finals, mate: England'll be lucky to get out of the group stage on that performance. We may be in for the most inept defence of a major sporting trophy since Argentina's Italia '90 'play for penalties at all costs' strategy. What a coma-a-thon that was. You know it's come to a pretty pass when the whole of England is begging Germany to put an end to everyone's misery...
14 - Dr Dreadful
Argentina, meanwhile, gave Ireland a touch up at Lansdowne Road
Quite a feat as Lansdowne Road is a building site at the moment...
15 - SteveS
I would love to read this story, but there's a big google video ad over it. Any way I can 'close' the ad? (I'm using Mozilla Firefox).
16 - STM
Sorry mate ... in Argentina, Santa Fe. Don't know what came over me there, to be sure. Nevertheless, isn't Lansdowne still playable, with only some of the stands out? I thought it was only partly a building site.
Lol. Germany. Don't ask those buggers for anything. They'll just give you a hot foot. And don't they have another national sport??
Doc, I must say - you have to get your head around rugby old boy. Not to do so will deprive you of far too much joy. Not for nothing is it known as the game they play in heaven. At its most entertaining, it can be unbelievably exciting and highly unpredictable. More action than soccer, with its extra dimension (people bashing into each other and trying to chop them in half) and more points scored too. The best way to familiarise yourself totally is to watch a few games in a row - the RWC would fit the bill for that. Despite how it looks, it has plenty of subtle nuances.
I think the reason I have gone off watching soccer of late is the genuine lack of scoring opportunities thanks to the high level of skill and fitness now required of ALL the players.
With rugby, that factor just ups the ante, especially in broken field play, which is why you'll see more points scored.
And here's a little fact I learned recently. The term try originally meant that if you placed the ball over the line, you were then allowed to have a "try" at goal, which is how the game's evolved. Got to love the Poms for inventing all the best games :)
17 - Dr Dreadful
Well, in the spirit of reconciliation that appears to be de rigeur in Ireland these days, the GAA has magnanimously agreed to let the Irish national rugby and soccer teams play their home games at Croke Park while Lansdowne is being redeveloped. (Lansdowne is indeed having a full do-over, so even if the grass ain't been dug up, there wouldn't be much point as there'd be nowhere people could watch from.) Judging by the reports and photos I've seen, Croke is a huge and awesome venue, one of the best stadia in Europe without a doubt. It has a fantastic atmosphere and the soccer and rugger sides have responded enthusiastically to the experience of playing there.
Sorry, Stan, I've tried to get into rugby but just can't (either version, although I do think League is marginally more exciting to watch). Even England's World Cup triumph didn't really register much more than a blip on the old patri-o-meter. I grew up watching soccer and with an attachment to a particular club (Newcastle United) and I guess you just stay loyal to your own footie code.
I do take your point though about the top teams and players tending to cancel one another out these days. The phenomenon isn't lost on fans, who are starting to pay more attention to the game at lower levels, where it's more open and unpredictable. Even so, the top clubs can still provide some excitement - as Mr Rose deftly illustrated a few weeks ago with his run-down of recent Man U [hawk, spit!] results.
Yes, we Poms do seem to have invented just about every good sport (whilst contriving to suck at all of them). I'm excluding American sports here, which were invented for the exclusive use of Americans so that they could be the best at them. I laugh every time the commentators hail the newly-crowned Superbowl or World Series winners as 'world champions'. True enough - but hollow.
Let's see: football (at least three different kinds), cricket, tennis, golf, field hockey, badminton, snooker, billiards, darts, squash, netball, lawn bowling, croquet... any others?
18 - STM
Doc wrote: "(Newcastle United)".
Geordie boy are we Doc? I lived in a small village near Stockton for a time when I was kid. My father took me to watch Middlesboro play once. In Aussie terms, just a hop-skip-and-jump away from Newcastle, but I realise in English terms it might as well be on the other side of the world.
Croke Park ... home of Gaelic football, the abomination that gave birth to that other abomination, Australian Football. Impressive ground, though, as the game's played on a much bigger pitch than rugby or soccer.
At least the Irish don't wear fetching sleeveless tops and shorts that look more like second-rate undies on special at Marks and Sparks, unlike their heathen, philistine breathren in the AFL.
19 - Alec
RE: 1. Enact laws ensuring that employers who hire illegals will be punished harshly enough to deter the behavior; this will take the illegals' jobs away.
There are sufficient laws on the books already. They are not enforced. Business interests, unions (especially in the construction industry) and various liberal and conservative activist groups make sure that these laws are not enforced. The Bush Administration periodically executes sham immigration stings to mollify its more simple-minded constituents, but nothing really changes.
RE: 2. Enact laws prohibiting illegals from receiving any government benefits.
Ain't gonna happen. Also, the degree to which illegal immigrants use government services (apart from education) is overstated. And preventing illegal immigrant children from attending school is just another way of guaranteeing that a large number of truant children will join gangs.
3. Eliminate the standard that confers citizenship on children born to illegals on our soil.
Good luck trying to get an amendment to the Constitution on this one.
Also, if you live in Southern California and watch any Spanish language television, you find that contrary to the nonsense spouted by both Bush and the Congress, the promise of American citizenship is not always a big issue for illegal immigrants. Rather, many want the right to enter the US to work, and the freedom of movement to travel back home whenever they want, retaining the citizenship of their home countries.
RE: 4. Enact a law stating that any alien caught on our soil beyond a certain date will be subject to severe criminal penalties and his assets will be seized.
Why not seize the assets of employers who flout the law and employ illegal immigrants? This would be more effective than attempting to seize the assets of people who may not have anything to seize.
RE: 5. Enact a law stating that, in addition, if they are found in the US after that time, they will forevermore be prohibited from entering our nation.
There is no effective way to enforce this since people who are deported under current laws often easily re-enter the country.
RE: Understand that these measures will so greatly reduce the number of illegals (my guess is by 90 percent) that taking legal action against the lawbreakers who remain will simply be a matter of eliminating a few stragglers.
Nice fantasy, but your guess as to the effectiveness of your proposed laws is an idle blog fantasy. Can you offer a real-world example of where similar laws have worked?
RE: As I've said before, there are no jobs Americans won't do, there are only wages Americans won't work for. The law of supply and demand informs that flooding an economic system with great numbers of low-wage workers causes their value to decrease. If you purge the system of them, however, businesses won't go belly-up for want of labor. They will simply offer what the remaining, more valuable workers are now worth. I call that a healthy, natural, free market way of spreading the wealth around.
I agree with much of what you say here. Oddly enough, in California, growers are complaining that the can't get enough "guest workers" to work in their farms because many of them prefer better paying and longer-termed jobs in the construction industry to seasonal agricultural work. And yet Bush keeps pushing for "comprehensive immigration reform" that is blatantly pro-business, as opposed to free market, and certainly not pro-American worker. The big question is how he continues to get away with this economic betrayal of the American people?
20 - RJ
THANK YOU!
This is a serious issue. There are actual workable solutions other than a blanket amnesty. Let's pursue them!
21 - Christopher Rose
Against my better judgement, I can't help adding to Dr Dreadful's #17 that all American "sports" are for wimps.
American "Football", which ought to be called American Rugby, is played by a bunch of nancy boys with bigger shoulder pads than the entire cast of Dallas.
The land of the free and the brave is so afraid of competition that they don't even have relegation of the bottom teams at the end of the season to allow some new clubs in. Talk about sterile!
Basketball and Baseball are boring versions of English girls games called Netball and Rounders. Hockey again is a game for girls, usually schoolgirls with navy blue panties, lol.
Gotta disagree with the doc on one point though, Rugby Union is a far better game than the stop-start, hand the ball over madness that rugby league and American rugby share.
22 - Nancy
After some study, I have to conclude that the majority of the blame for the illegal immigrant situation lies entirely with employers & most especially big business. Lack of enforcement by the government has been directly at the behest of those corporations big enough to buy their local senator or congressmaggot, or even the presidential pimp himself. As usual, Dubya is only now trying to address the issue; he spent the whole first term ignoring it, determined it would go away if he did so, because those who own him demanded he do nothing, so they could evade the rightful employment taxes they should have been paying on their ill-gotten, illegal, virtual slave labor. And that's exactly what it amounts to: virtual slavery, since these people can't afford to demand wages if they are unfairly withheld or underpaid or even not paid at all. One of the commonest complaints of illegals is that they are routinely cheated out of rightful wages, even as pitiful as these may be, by greedy & unscrupulous employers. These employers not only cheat their illegal employees, they cheat the government of rightful taxes, & they cheat every single taxpaying US citizen as well, because we - the taxpaying citizens - end up having to foot the bill for the taxes not levied or collected.
I suspect if the pressure were entirely put on the employers' end, illegal immigration would dry up tomorrow. The wrong people are getting the blame. It's the illegal, cheating employers we need to hang out to dry, but good.
23 - Alec
re: After some study, I have to conclude that the majority of the blame for the illegal immigrant situation lies entirely with employers & most especially big business.
Every business, big and small, benefits from illegal alien labor, but people always want to point the finger at someone else. One of the things that amuses me is that conservatives like to blame the current immigration bill on Ted Kennedy or other liberals, but the irony is that even as a lot of ordinary Republicans have been angered over immigration policies and have cut back on donating to flip-flopping politicians, contributions from business have increased and the GOP simply gives the finger to the "little guy."
In Southern California, there are affluent Orange County cities, the supposed heartland of the Reagan GOP, where illegal immigrant day labor sites are ubiquitous. Here, and throughout the region, it is not just corporations hiring illegal immigrants, but little guys hiring workers to do work on their homes or their rental property. Practically every restaurant and coffee shop employs illegal immigrants. Upper middle class women in Palos Verdes, Brentwood and other upscale areas hire illegal immigrant women to clean their homes and take care of their children, and never pay the proper amount of employment taxes, and rarely pay fair wages.
A church near me is being extensively remodeled. The majority of the workers are illegal immigrants. But since the site shows a big sign with the name of the contractor, any government agency interested in seriously cracking down on illegal immigrant labor could do so in a nanosecond. But everyone looks the other way.
RE: As usual, Dubya is only now trying to address the issue; he spent the whole first term ignoring it....
Oddly enough, Bush has been consistently anti-worker and pro-illegal immigration from the first days of his administration. He has consistently called for guest-worker programs and constantly pushes the big lie that these workers are needed because there are supposedly jobs that Americans won't do.
The amazing thing is that Republican true believers have given Bush a pass on this from the beginning and still scramble to find ways to excuse his economic betrayal of the American people.
The immigration farce continues.
24 - Dr Dreadful
Chris #21:
Yeah, promotion and relegation is the lifeblood of football - adds an extra layer of interest than simply going to the match every week and hoping your team will win. The pyramid system in England is especially great because in theory (even if only in theory) you can start a park team with a bunch of your mates and with enough hard work, money, support and luck, eventually make your way all the way up to the Premiership.
I can't believe they're doing away with promotion and relegation in rugby league. Stupid idea - I wouldn't blame those who support a team stuck outside the Super League at the end of next season if they decided what was the point and stopped going.
League seems to be administered by a bunch of drooling demented morons anyway. Can't even organize their World Cup by the sound of it.
25 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
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'Nuff said...