The Rise of Christian Vigilantism
There is a price this country is paying, for the way discourse has changed today. From Rush Limbaugh, FoxNews pundits Hannity and Vetter, to the likes of Ann Coulter, WorldNetDaily, the Free Republic and on and on, there has been an outcry of faith, specifically the Christian faith, being under attack. From Godless liberals, European nations, gay people, secularists, the ACLU, the NPR, planned parenthood, school teachers and who can forget those dear sweet librarians with their demonic internet computers, it's all always presented as an attack on faith, on Christianity. What used to be the trend of saying 'Happy Holidays', in order to be all-inclusive, is now turned around to be an attempt to be specifically exclusive against Christianity. After years of this paranoid rhetoric, is it any wonder the sheep want to chew their way out of the pen and seek blood?…
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— go to most recent comments26 - Dave Nalle
>>I posted evidence from a freeper on a right wing site where he brags about destroying the hidden caches of food in the desert. <<
Last I checked that food was on private property and if the minutemen have permission from the owners to be on that land and destroy that food, then they are doing no wrong. If the food is there for illegals crossing the border it is part of a criminal activity and destroying it is merely detering crime.
>>And I posted an article that pointed out that the Border Patrol thinks that the Minutemen are putting the Border Patrol at risk. <<
Strange how all the comments from the border patrol we see in the news are supportive of the minutemen. And isn't it their job to take the risks necessary to apprehend illegals?
>>Just dismiss the whole thing though because it doesn't fit in with your ideology.<<
Not sure this topic even relates to my ideology in any meaningful way. I'm for relatively open borders and a guest worker program.
>> As for evidence of an undocumented alien with no record in an American database being reported as killed, you really are naive. Come out here to California and see how things really work. Do you know how many miles of border, how many miles of desert there are?<<
No naivete on that issue here. For the last 50 years the landowners on the border have just been shooting illegals and dumping their bodies in unmarked graves - or at least this has been known to happen - so I'm not surprised if it happens again.
What you're missing in all this is that the minutemen are trying to prevent an acknowledged crime and doing so in a generally non-violent manner.
Dave
27 - andy marsh
So, mexicans illegally cross our borders into our country and that's ok.
Some americans illegally aid and abet those same illegal aliens that are crossing into our borders by placing food and water in strategic locations and that's ok too.
But stopping two very illegal activities by assisting an understaffed border patrol isn't?
Just trying to get the facts straight here...
28 - andy marsh
and why shouldn't the presidents nominees for any position at least get a vote? This fillibustering thing is so much bull shit! A senator gets to stand up on the floor of congress and read the Washington, D.C. phone book into the record just to avoid a vote? If these nominees are so bad then there shouldn't be a problem getting the nay votes needed to make sure they don't get the position they were nominated for in the first place!
29 - Dave Nalle
From what I've read on the nominees a couple of them are pretty bad and would probably get voted down. I don't understand why those ones are being filibustered. Of the others there are a couple who will probably get votes from Democrats - they were Clinton appointees to their current positions and aren't religiously extreme. This is what makes the whole filibustering business seem so capricious. They seem to have just chosen their targets at random which suggests tha the filibustering is happening not so much to block these specific appointees, but merely as an exercise of power to essentially stick it to an administration they don't like. That kind of behavior -when it's this transparent - really makes the Democrats look bad.
Dave
30 - Steve S
Steve it does nothing for your credability when you post a link that's two weeks old (man who is charged with 7 counts of assault) and the man has since been cleared of all charges.
I'm glad he's cleared of charges. Why is it uncredible that it happened 14 days ago and not last night?
Lets assume the gangs have declared war on the minutemen. Why would that be? Maybe because they fear a few of their breatheren would be stopped or delayed coming across the border?
Yes, most likely. And because if you are here on the border, you would have seen skinheads with shotguns running all over the hills, it's not a good situation.
So what's your point?
The whole point of the post is a rise in vigilantism.
Last I checked that food was on private property and if the minutemen have permission from the owners to be on that land and destroy that food, then they are doing no wrong. If the food is there for illegals crossing the border it is part of a criminal activity and destroying it is merely detering crime.
I'm absolutely shocked Dave. I said I am for immigration reform and for detering illegals, but you know that such activity puts men, women AND children at risk. I am completely amazed that you condone such activity and look at you differently now.
Strange how all the comments from the border patrol we see in the news are supportive of the minutemen
Strange how I have posted two news sources (local) that are entirely about how the MinuteMen manipulate the media, and strange how the Right selectively dismisses that info.
So, mexicans illegally cross our borders into our country and that's ok.
No, Andy, I have said at least 5 times on this thread that I am for immigration reform and against illegals coming into this country. More selective reading from the Right.
I am now utterly convinced that the animosity and paranoia from the Christian Right, which, as I have amply evidenced is resulting in dangerous situations on our borders, to the causing of the evacuation of minorities from colleges for their safety, all caused by elements of Christian extremism, AND the safety and integrity of our judges being under attack and requiring protection 24/7, is all okay with the moderate Right. For you all have clearly indicated so to me.
It is clear the moderate Right supports the activity of extremists. One only has to read this thread to see so.
31 - anon
Steve,
you mentioned 'nobody read the entire post'. Dude, it was insanely long. Take a look around at the posts, we work in quick jutted thoughts.
32 - andy marsh
Steve - those people you talk about being at risk are at risk BECAUSE THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW!!! If they LEGALLY immigrated into this country they wouldn't need those supplies out in the middle of the desert!
This is like the store owner who got charged because he electrified a vent opening in his store and a thief was shocked to death while attempting to break into his store! I guess if I shoot someone that enters my house illegally I'm at fault? Or if I detain them until the authorities arrive I'm extreme? It's the same fucking thing!
Why is it that you call the minute men extreme, but not the people crossing miles of uninhabited desolate land to illegally enter a country with relatively open borders extreme? I'd say that's pretty extreme!
33 - Steve S
I understand, anon. The premise of the post is about how the propaganda machine of the Right puts out the concept that Christianity is under attack 24/7. The end consequence of this, is that it emboldens extremists into action.
Whether it is activists who are stalking our judges or activists who want to kill dark skinned folks on the border, or activists who want to target minorites on campus, etc. There is a rise in extremist activity, which is fueled by the conservative propaganda machine and is also fueled by the Republicans presenting their agenda under the guise of Christianity being attacked, there's no way to present all that evidence in a sentence.
What does it matter at this point? The mainstream conservative movement clearly supports extremists acting under their banner.
34 - Steve S
Andy, yes, I agree that illegals risking their lives to cross the border for a chance at opportunity is extreme. I do not think vigilantism is the answer.
35 - andy marsh
It's only extreme if Steve doesn't agree wit hit!
36 - Steve S
No, Andy, it's extreme when people's lives are at risk.
Hate crimes against gay people on the rise
Note that link is not for you, Andy or Dave. It's for people who are concerned about human life.
37 - andy marsh
So, because I disagree wit hyou means I have no concern for human life? Go fuck yourself you self serving condescending asshole!
38 - Steve S
No, andy, it's not because you disagree with me, it is because you are okay with the endangerment of illegals crossing this border.
I am AGAINST illegals coming into this country. I do not support behavior that puts human life at risk. Your comments indicate you do. That is how I arrive at my conclusion, it's not because you disagree with me.
39 - andy marsh
Steve says - I do not support behavior that puts human life at risk.
Well, illegally crossing the border over the desert puts lives at risk! Doesn't it? Just because someone puts out water, doesn't make it any easier, they still have to find it! Ever been in Phoenix in August? Ever been in Yuma in August? Ever been in Tuscon in August? And those are the towns! Try Imperial Sand Dunes in August!
You go out in the desert in the middle of the summer you better be carrying your body weight in water and these people carry nothing, they put themselves at risk!
Ever driven I-8 and seen the illegals coming running out on the highway? Ever been to the Tijuana border crossing and seen the waves of illegals charging the crossing? Ever seen a truck pulled over at the crossing 30 miles north of SD and seen loads of illegals being led out of the back of an 18 wheeler? This all puts lives at risk. If those illegals that were bottled up in the mountains turned around and went home then there'd be no issue, but because they're dumb enough to try to wait out the folks with all the supplies, that makes the people that are prepared and watching for the CRIMINALS on the borders the bad guys?
You say you're against it, but you don't want to do anything about it!
40 - Steve S
regarding comment 29, from Dave:
which suggests tha the filibustering is happening not so much to block these specific appointees, but merely as an exercise of power to essentially stick it to an administration they don't like. That kind of behavior -when it's this transparent - really makes the Democrats look bad.
The Democrats are doing exactly what Republicans have done in the past. The only difference is that Republicans don't like the tables turned on them.
(for those who don't like to read more than two sentences - Cliff notes version - republicans are criticizing democrats for using republican strategies).
41 - andy marsh
But mommy, he did it to me first!!!
42 - Steve S
Well, illegally crossing the border over the desert puts lives at risk! Doesn't it?
Yes, andy, people crossing the border is wrong. I do not condone it. Removing their food and water is not a good answer.
You say you're against it, but you don't want to do anything about it!
No andy, I have said I am for immigration reform and that I don't want illegals crossing the border. I have now had to say that no less than 6 or 7 times. That would indicate that I do not support doing nothing.
43 - Steve S
an eye for an eye.
44 - Steve S
Even President Bush is on my side on this one. He calls the Minutemen vigilantes and does not support civilian activity in this manner.
It's clear the conservative AND conservative extremists are now at the point where getting their ideology in place is so important that they do not care if people die as a consequence. If this is not advancing to the next stage in a culture war, I don't know what is.
45 - Steve S
yet another example of the conservative Republican movement aligning itself with members of the Aryan Nation, openly and with complete endorsement of the republican conservative movement.
Note also, that not only is Frist involved, but you have Dobson, considered a legitimate speaker of the Right, comparing the Supreme Court to the Klu Klux Klan.
(ironic that the Republican party, as has been amply documented on this blog, is walking arm in arm with KKK members).
46 - Dave Nalle
>>I understand, anon. The premise of the post is about how the propaganda machine of the Right puts out the concept that Christianity is under attack 24/7.<<
BTW, Steve. Christianity IS under attack 24/7. Not that I care. I think it should be and I do my fair share of attacking.
>>yet another example of the conservative Republican movement aligning itself with members of the Aryan Nation, openly and with complete endorsement of the republican conservative movement.<<
Yet it is these same Aryans who are even more rabidly anti-Bush than you are, Steve. Check out infowars.com sometime. The fact is that the Aryans hold every kind of extreme views, and you can find something on which they agree with almost any special interest group. Hell, they agree with Jesse Jackson and many other black Democrats on the idea that jews were secretly behind the events of 9/11. Does that make them allies of the Democrats?
Dave
47 - Steve S
even more rabidly anti-Bush than you are, Steve
again, Dave, you have me confused with someone else.
Hell, they agree with Jesse Jackson and many other black Democrats on the idea that jews were secretly behind the events of 9/11. Does that make them allies of the Democrats?
If they stood side by side with Jesse, and if Jesse accepted them as a spokesperson, and if their ideological alliance was made public and openly and if they worked together, then I would say yes, they would be allies.
But Jesse and the Democrats aren't doing that.
48 - andy marsh
Like the mythical phoenix mac diva rises from the ashes!!! I was wondering when you'd get around to calling everyone that disagrees with you a racist!
49 - andy marsh
All of a sudden Steve isn't anti-Bush??? When did this epiphany happen???
50 - andy marsh
your link in comment 45 doesn't work.
51 - andy marsh
Steve - I didn't say that illegally crossing the border was wrong, although it is, I said it puts lives at risk. You said you don't support actions that put lives at risk, well, neither do the minutemen!
52 - Steve S
I was wondering when you'd get around to calling everyone that disagrees with you a racist!
please point out where I called anyone, let alone anyone who disagrees with me, a racist.
It is apparent, that the Right has lost the ability to comprehend and read.
As for the link:
http://blogcritics.org/mt/mt-comments.php?mode=red&u=http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml
%3Fi=20050509&s=blumenthal
The link in comment 15 doesn't work either. This is why I print out the urls (comment 15 url was deleted). It happens whenever there is a question mark in the URl. Unfortunately, they get changed back into links but still don't work.
I am against many Bush policies. The majority of my beef has always been the conservative right's unholy alliance with religion. Anybody who has read me on this site for over a year now, knows that my beef is separation of church and state.
At no time in this thread, have I even attacked Bush. I am on the same side as Bush here.
Yes, andy, I don't support putting lives at risk. I do want to find a way to stop illegal immigration. I have provided documented evidence, in the original blog, which I am sure you did not click on, that links to comments MADE BY MINUTEMEN, who reveal how they are jeopardizing lives on the border.
53 - Steve S
please point out where I called anyone, let alone anyone who disagrees with me, a racist.
I mean anyone here, andy. Yes, I'm calling the members of the Aryan nation racist, and I'm pointing out your sides unholy alliance, now conducted openly and without secrecy with them. That is not calling you a racist.
54 - Georgio
Steve..I enjoyed your article very much and I hope you will continue to write and expose the danger to this country that the right wing religious fanatics are...I too am a strong advocate for separation of church and state especially in these dangerous times when these demented fools think they know what God wants for this country..
Dave...Could you elaborate on this statement .....>>>>>As I see it they're two sides of the same coin. For the extremists on the left their package of secularist-progressive issues is as much a religion and just as irrationally and fanatically supported as the Christian issues of the extreme right. The issues are different, but the evangelic personality type is the same.
I am not looking for a fight here Dave I am just interested to know how we Liberals can be compared to the right wing fanatics...I also would like you to articulate some day what a Moderate should be..Thank you...
55 - Dave Nalle
Georgio: "I am not looking for a fight here Dave I am just interested to know how we Liberals can be compared to the right wing fanatics...I also would like you to articulate some day what a Moderate should be"
The way I see it irrational fanatics are irrational fanatics, whether their guiding principle is christianity, socialism, racism, homosexuality or whatever. They are characterized by hatred of a perceived enemy, be it george w. bush, bill clinton, christians or people with alternative lifestyles. They hold an absolute belief that they are right and that no other belief system can possibly be right, and they are unwilling to compromise in any way on any of their core issues.
Moderates would pretty much be the opposite. Moderation is based on reason, pragmatism and compromise. Moderates don't see the world in black and white and while they believe that some policies and choices are better than others, they are willing to make reasonable compromises in order to achieve some progress towards desirable goals. They don't expect instant change or any kind of absolutist ideological solution. If something works they embrace it, whether it comes from the right or the left. This, of course, puts them in the position of often being torn between the two extremes, or having to pick one to ally with despite being uncomfortable with the fanatics they end up siding with.
Dave
56 - andy marsh
so, saying someone is walking arm in arm with the aryan nation isn't suggesting that they're racist? It's just convenient for you to lump them together?
57 - Temple Stark
.... and they are unwilling to compromise in any way on any of their core issues
58 - Georgio
Thanks Dave..I am going to think about your comment and thanks for your reply..
59 - Steve S
so, saying someone is walking arm in arm with the aryan nation isn't suggesting that they're racist? It's just convenient for you to lump them together?
Andy, I will give this one last shot, just for you, then I am done explaining what is already before you. I hate to sound so condescending, but this entry has been also posted in two other places, with no comprehension problems. You all get it, but you want the message to not get out there.
There is a rise in violence and vigilantism done IN THE NAME OF CHRISTIANITY in this country. That does NOT mean that the Christian Church endorses it. That does NOT mean that Melba and Wilbur sitting in the pew endorse it. Okay, folks?
Not only does this constant portray of Christianity being attacked have an effect on the moderate Christian, it MOTIVATES the extremist.
Numerous examples of your ideological 'leaders' of the Republican platform and the mainstream conservative movement, walking ideologically AND PUBLICLY arm-in-arm with ideological MURDERERS, FURTHER EMBOLDEN THE EXTREMISTS.
The end result of the unholy and public coupling of your conservative Republican movement and those who publicly endorse killing, has resulted in vigilantism and an increase in violence towards minorities, which I have amply documented.
Period. End of premise. End of post. Ample evidence from reliable sources provided throughout the whole page.
60 - andy marsh
How many murders have the minutemen committed now? I missed that part in your post. I believe those 19 assholes on 4 airplanes are the ones that emboldened people to watch our borders. I'm sorry that ILLEGAL ALIENS are being caught trying to cross our borders across hostile terrain, doing something that is extremely dangerous and extremely stupid.
You call it vigilantism, I call it a not so regulated militia. I don't live near that border anymore, but when I did I would have appreciated knowing that someone was keeping criminals out of my backyard.
And lastly..you said that you agreed with Bush on this ONE issue...I bet it's FUCKING KILLING YOU to have to agree with him about anything!!! You can pretend to be something you're not, but like you said, everybody that reads on here knows what you are and who you support and who you don't. If you hate to sound condescending, then why do you do it all the time???
Now I'm done.
61 - Steve S
How many murders have the minutemen committed now? I missed that part in your post.
You missed the whole premise. We also disagree with what constitutes murder apparently. Taking food and water from someone so they starve to death is murder in my eyes.
I'm sorry that ILLEGAL ALIENS are being caught
Why? I'm not sorry they are being caught. I am sorry that in our attempt to better the situation, we are making things more dangerous.
You call it vigilantism, I call it a not so regulated militia.
laughable as to the difference.
you said that you agreed with Bush on this ONE issue...I bet it's FUCKING KILLING YOU to have to agree with him about anything!
it's clear you all don't know how to read. I do disagree with Bush on about 80%+ of his philosophy, but I agree with a proactive stance on terror (just not his way), I agree that the MinuteMen are wrong, and I agree with him that the internets are more few, for starters.
If you hate to sound condescending, then why do you do it all the time?
having to explain something to you over and over, that everyone else gets, is tiring.
everybody that reads on here knows what you are and who you support and who you don't.
but you always get that wrong too. You and others here have always accused me of being a Kerry man. I was always a Dean man first, a Clark man second, Kerry was down on the list.
62 - Steve S
damn. end italic.
63 - Dave Nalle
>>but you always get that wrong too. You and others here have always accused me of being a Kerry man. I was always a Dean man first, a Clark man second, Kerry was down on the list.<<
Come on man, if you're going to drink the damned kool-aid then DRINK it, don't sip it like a little girl!
Dave
64 - Steve S
I have no idea what that means Dave.
65 - Marc
Steve S. "I'm glad he's cleared of charges. Why is it uncredible that it happened 14 days ago and not last night?
Because of the age and you made no effort to verify what the latest on the story was. You posted that glaring headline for two possible reasons. One you were too damm lazy to check. Or two, in hopes of making a point about vigilantism on the border.
If you claim it was for another reason your just a flat out liar.
Steve S "Taking food and water from someone so they starve to death is murder in my eyes."
Source please. Where is it reported the Minutemen removed water or food?
Steve S. "I was always a Dean man first, a Clark man second, Kerry was down on the list."
Why am I not surprised? Then you support Dean using terminology such as "evil," or "We have got to start laying the groundwork for a national party, for a national message. ... [Republicans] are mean. They are not nice people."
Wouldn't that embolden some on the extremist left? Sure it would, but you may never admit it.
And I suppose by showing some support for Clark (who got fired BTW for not following direct presidential orders as detailed in his own book) you see nothing wrong in Clark not condemning Moore's calling a president a deserter?
Then eight days later when given a chance to comment on the matter he sputtered:"Well, I've never looked into those ... those allegations."
Or Moore, for that matter, given such a visable place at the Democratic Convention.
Let me guess you don't believe these idiots don't cause the likes of International answer, Code Pink or the recent pie throwing assasins that have stalked a few conservatives to act in extreme ways.
Not to mention that nutjog Al Gore who gave another example just how extreme he can be today in front of a Moveon crowd of moonbats.
Pot, Kettle, BLACK
66 - andy marsh
removing food and water from the desert is murder, but from a hospice house in FL, it's just a nice thing to do? What a fucking hypocrite!!!
67 - Marc
BTW, I almost forgot.
Steve explain to me how Air America can broadcast a "comedy" piece that advocates the murder of the President and not enflame the kooks, nutjobs and various and sundry extreme left wing.
Or is that somehow different?
Ah... Andy, that's about right.
68 - Shark
Marc: "...explain to me how... a "comedy" piece that advocates the murder of the President and not enflame the kooks, nutjobs and various and sundry extreme left wing."
The Left usually make jokes, satire, funny sketches on late night tv, and if lucky, a little laughter.
The Right usually shoot people and blow things up. All the best assassins were Right Wingers.
(see "Anti-aboritionist Christians who murder Doctors in order to demonstrate that they are Pro-Life")
Ahahahahahahaha.
See the difference?
69 - andy marsh
We have folks going on hunger strikes for you Steve. I hope it works!
70 - Dave Nalle
>>The Right usually shoot people and blow things up. All the best assassins were Right Wingers.<<
Not to rain on your parade, but historicallly most successful assassins have been radical socialist anarchists who would currently identify themselves more with the left than the right in America. This, in fact, is the political persuasion of the founders of moveon.org.
Currently the most active terrorist groups worldwide aside from fundamentalist moslems are all leftwing groups. Here in the US the most prominent of those would be the ELF and ALF ecoterrorists. Hey, the Unabomber was a leftie - he sure was funny what with killing 2 people and maiming 23.
Dave
71 - Marc
You beat me to it Dave.
Shark there isn't any difference, they are all nutjobs of the first order.
Andy after viewing your link, consider this the start of a betting pool.
What happens first:
Bush throwing caution to the political winds and clamping shut the border.
Or that fat sow of a human reaching 98lbs.
Anyone caught Fedexing White Castle burgers to that sow will automaticly be disqualified and forfit all monies.
72 - Steve S
Because of the age and you made no effort to verify what the latest on the story was. You posted that glaring headline for two possible reasons. One you were too damm lazy to check. Or two, in hopes of making a point about vigilantism on the border.
Obviously it is about making a point of vigilantism, since that is the premise of the whole post. Just because the guy was cleared of charges (and I'm glad, because that means nothing bad probably happened), doesn't mean there isn't a rise of pro-Aryan and pro-Christian activity in this country.
My link in comment 15 failed. Do a google search on Trinity College, 43 minorities, and see if you don't come up with a report from earlier this week in how terror threats against minorities has affected that Christian university.
I posted a link about hate crimes against gay people on the rise. This isn't done by SUV-haters.
Source please. Where is it reported the Minutemen removed water or food?
It's in the original post that nobody bothered to read. It is from the MinuteMen's own words, they posted on Free REpublic about how they are feeding that stuff to their hunting dogs.
Then you support Dean using terminology such as "evil," or "We have got to start laying the groundwork for a national party, for a national message. ... [Republicans] are mean. They are not nice people."
I don't agree with the national party, but the rest, yest I agree 100%. Republicans are meaner than shit. Here I am trying to save lives, and prove that this constant portrayal of Christianity being under attack is motivating extremists into action, complete with proof of hate crimes on the rise and you all are trying to turn this into an attack on liberals. You can't get over your partisanship to save lives. I think Republicans are evil and are not willing to compromise. ANd I also think that the extremists that the Republicans pandered to for votes, now have more power than the mainstream Republican and that the party has a whole has become far more extreme and has practically zero 'mainstream' left. I can think of no other reason why you all are dismissing the terror people are going through, that I am documenting.
Wouldn't that embolden some on the extremist left? Sure it would, but you may never admit it.
I deleted this top part so forgot what would embolden the left, but yes folks, there are extremists on the left who probably kill. I don't know because I am not one of their targets. And the premise is about how the REpublican movement has openly endorsed ideological killers such as Randall Terry and (see link in comment 45) as legitimate spokesmen for their movement. I can find no such equivalent on the left.
Since the link with question marks always breaks, there is a clickable link for the search engines in comment 45. Here it is for the rest of us: http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi=20050509&s=blumenthal
you see nothing wrong in Clark not condemning Moore's calling a president a deserter?
I am trying to prove to you guys that right wing extremists are embolden into action, and you are trying to water that down with semantics of my choice of presidential candidate. I would say that makes you most evil indeed. Clark should have condemned Moore. Happy now?
Let me guess you don't believe these idiots don't cause the likes of International answer, Code Pink or the recent pie throwing assasins that have stalked a few conservatives to act in extreme ways.
I link to a report showing hate crimes, that which kills people and/or puts them in the emergency room, is on the rise due to vigilantism and you want to counter with a pie-thrower? Either evil or stupid.
Pot, Kettle, BLACK
the whole premise of the post is not an attack on Republican ideology. It is about extremism and vigilantism and how your leaders are coupling with the extremist leaders. Call me whatever you want, I'm going to go on trying to save lives, I just know after this thread to include the fact that mainstream Republicans endorse the extremists, and if you point it out, they will just attack you. (which of course further emboldens the extremists)
removing food and water from the desert is murder, but from a hospice house in FL, it's just a nice thing to do? What a fucking hypocrite!!!
I would say the difference there is that it was Terri's choice. It is not the choice of the illegal immigrant. They should just be detained and sent back to the border.
Steve explain to me how Air America can broadcast a "comedy" piece that advocates the murder of the President and not enflame the kooks, nutjobs and various and sundry extreme left wing. Or is that somehow different?
No, that should not have been done. I'm not entirely familiar with it, only vaguely, but it does sound wrong to me. However, people are not currently dying because of that radio show.
73 - andy marsh
No, it was Terri's choice according to her husband. And it's an illegal immigrants choice to attempt to cross miles and miles of uninhabited wasteland to cross a border. Maybe they should carry their own food and water? Why are they entitled to free food and water? I don't get it when I drive across country?
74 - Steve S
No, it was Terri's choice according to her husband.
which, according to your side, is the most sacrosanct relationship on the planet (between husband and wife). We, as a society, give the spouse the right to speak on behalf of the other. At least until it conflicts with your ideology.
I don't get it when I drive across country?
Andy, there is SOOOOOO much you just don't get. They aren't driving. Yes, they are committing a crime, but it is NOT a crime punishable by death. They are seeking a better life, granted they are doing it wrong, but I am just floored that all the republicans here are okay with people putting their lives in jeopardy.
75 - Shark
Nalle: "...most successful assassins have been radical socialist anarchists who would currently identify themselves more with the left than the right in America."
Yah, you're right, Dave. My bad...
Those "leftists" killed:
John F. Kennedy
Medgar Evers
Robert Kennedy
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Feh.
PS:
John Wilkes Booth = White Supremist
Timothy McVeigh = right winger
Terry Nichols = right winger
Eric Rudolph (Atlanta Olympic Park Bomber) - Anti-abortion Christoid Murderer
Dan White(killed Harvey Milk) = notorious homophobe
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In recent history, the Left only had Ted K. (who was mostly RIGHT, btw) and Squeeky Fromm, who, being a stoned hippie, couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.