The evidence is plastered all over the walls of Caracas. Hugo Chavez has joined Mao and Lenin and Mussolini in the Cult of Personality.
Some have taken me to task for being too eager to announce Hugo Chavez' membership in the Junior Dictators Club. After all, he's just trying to help the people of Venezuela and if he's taken away free speech, judicial independence, rendered the legislature meaningless, shut down or intimidated the press and turned the schools into indoctrination centers, it's all been done with the best intentions. He may have complete autocratic power, a growing military and designs on his neighbors, but at least he hasn't tried to raise himself up like a larger than life figure and create a cult of personality. That's one of the things which really set dictators like Mussolini, Hitler, Lennin and Mao apart from more reasonable autocrats.…
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— go to most recent comments76 - moonraven
Well, let's not be too hasty.
Nalle could send them the pic of him in the oversized cowboy hat and swear that he was in The Magnificent Seven.
77 - Lapdog
With Clavos in the background dressed up as pirate.
78 - Dave Nalle
Lapdog. I challenge you to find ONE instance ANYWHERE where I've endorsed a US intervention in Venezuela. I am and will remain absolutely opposed to such a military campaign. Yes, I'd like to see democracy, capitalism and freedom restored there, but it should be pursued diplomatically not through military action, at least not until the inevitable day when Chavez starts to invade his neighbors to plunder them to fill the needs of an economy he will have bankrupted.
Dave
79 - Lapdog
I accept your challenge and when I've nothing better to do I will occasionally visit the archives to read your comments. I can tell you right now that 99.9% of the time I will have something better to do.
Could you spell out exactly why Venezuelan democracy, capitalism, freedom, and Chavez invading his neighbours would ever be any of your business?
I'm intrigued with your reference to freedom.
If Chavez stripped his opponents of their wealth and livlihoods, and dumped them and their families onto reservations like those in the US, would that qualify as freedom?
In other words shouldn't you be arguing about freedom for the oppressed in the USA?
80 - Dave Nalle
Lap, if you actually do take the time to read some of my archives articles you'll find that I've devoted a lot of time to the issues of the oppressed in America, though Native Americans don't concern me disproportionately. I'm more concerned about the ways in which all citizens are oppressed regardless of race, religion or background.
As for why Chavez' behavior is my business, it's because I have as much right as anyone else to be concerned when I see fellow men being deprived of rights and forced into a subjugated status. If Chavez is allowed to oppress his people and his neighbors unopposed, what is to stop that trend from spreading and eventually coming here?
What troubles me is that you are NOT more concerned.
Dave
81 - moonraven
Right.
Dave Nalle: The Knight in Shining Armor out there defending the poor, the oppressed, the downtrodden who have been stripped of their rights.
But Native Americans do not concern him overly.
Not the 90 million eliminated in genocide. Not the ones now who are poor, downtrodden, oppressed and who have been stripped of their rights and resources. [Deleted]
82 - brian
lumpy
there is no article to assail, and there are no facts in it....its a screed by an antivenezuelan who is trying desperately to smear president Hugo chavez, the most democratically elected leader in history.
83 - brian
nejode:I almost cry when I see this "little Fidel" give away millions of $$$ to Bolivia, Nicaragua, Argentina, Ecuador, Iran, Lebanon, while street kids are begging for food, millions of people are living in cardboard houses with no public services, schools are falling to pieces and all your friends and relatives have been victims in one way or another of a theft, killing or rape'
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youd prefer the money was siphoned off by oil companies to enrich the US and the white venezuelan elites.
You keep showing how much you despise the poor.
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84 - brian
Dave: 'My job here is so easy. All I have to do is counter MR's pathological lying.
First off, My great aunt Lucy had a fuschia house.
More importantly, I tacked Nejode's IP address and unlike others here who have admitted to being Venezuelans in exile he is in fact posting from inside Venezuela using their cable TV service for internet access.
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Well, that explains Nejodes hatred and lies against president Chavez. He and his kind were so used to being in power and brutalising the poor darker venezuelans whom they are wel known to despise, that now he suffers a withdrawal syndrome.
85 - moonraven
The escualidos and wannabe escualidos in Venezuela are the meanest, cheapest, most racist and most conflictive sons of bitches (hijos de la chingada is the Mexican form) I have ever seen.
So scared that someone with a brown skin who is not from a family of privilege MIGHT actually receive a living wage, get an education, buy a car that they shit their pants when they see a red shirt.o
A firing squad is much too good for them.
86 - moonraven
Brian:
It's more like a mass psychosis that infects those folks.
They believed their own racist propaganda--that a person of mixed race such as Chavez could not keep winning elections--so that when he won, won again, won yet again, and won for the 4th time with an even greater percentage of the votes their reaction was unmitigated shock--and they screamed fraud.
If they were not such mean people I would actually feel sorry for the poor misguided bastards--as I would feel compassion for other psychotics.
But in their case, no. I have seen their ugly faces and seen their infantile homicidal behavior, and I just cannot go there.
87 - brian
Dave: 'Lapdog. I challenge you to find ONE instance ANYWHERE where I've endorsed a US intervention in Venezuela. I am and will remain absolutely opposed to such a military campaign. Yes, I'd like to see democracy, capitalism and freedom restored there, but it should be pursued diplomatically not through military action, at least not until the inevitable day when Chavez starts to invade his neighbors to plunder them to fill the needs of an economy he will have bankrupted.'
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But youd live to see Chavez removed....right dave?
Capitalism and freedom? Why yoke those two words? Theres more freedom in venezuela than in the US, where under Bush, its being rolled back in the interests of 'security'. plundering is a feature of capitalism...as we see every day. Democracy is what you need to see reetored in USA...as witness the vote frgaud in 2000 and 2004
http://www.votefraud.org/
Meanwhile elections have been certified free and fair by the Carter Center and other observers...the Venezuelan elite (people like Nejode) so hated that judgement that they actually attacked Carter!
By 'diplomaticaly, you mean the US should intervene diplomatically to change the government....thats called an intervention in national sovereignty and is a widely regarded intenational crime...the US uses NED to try to intefere in elections....imagine if Venezuela paid money to political groups in the US to overturn the US system! Youd be hopping mad.
Finally:when Chavez starts to invade his neighbors to plunder them to fill the needs of an economy he will have bankrupted.'
This is so laughable absurd it could only have come from the head of desperate pirate capitalist!
You mean the way the US has invaded country after country? Really dave...Nowe you are wishfully thinking that if Chavez did what the US always does, that would be q chance to have him removed!
Just knew you hated democracy...
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88 - brian
Dave:'As for why Chavez' behavior is my business, it's because I have as much right as anyone else to be concerned when I see fellow men being deprived of rights and forced into a subjugated status. If Chavez is allowed to oppress his people and his neighbors unopposed, what is to stop that trend from spreading and eventually coming here?'
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This is the latest trend in capitalism...careing for their neighbours....thats because it looks better on ones CV than overthrowing ones neighbours....
Dave, you may fool other pirate capitalists and you may foo, yourself, but you wont fool the venezuelan people, who know the hated US is the enemy of freedom and democracy everywhere...witness what theyve done in Iraq! You cant be concerned about capitalism...that is rights of pirate corporations AND the people...they are two different things....
You keep lying that Chavez is oppressing his people. When he's the most popular president in venezulan history. Thats why he gets elected with figuers your wretched presidental liars can only dream of, and who are oppessing their own people under the wretched ant-terror laws...
That last statement is right out of Condi Rices play book...thats the reason the US gave to inavde iraq and kill > 1 million people...if we dont fight them there, we will be fighting them here.
Back of that sentiment is your wish for US to invade Venezuela, or at least to aid the old power elite to wage civil war....
The US is the enemy of freedom and democracy, and you and your lies keep proving it.
89 - brian
Yes moonraven, its well nown to observers of the scene in veneuzuela that the white elite is rabidly racist.
Meanwhile:
'Surveys show that almost two-thirds of the adult population is behind the president. His government gets high marks for advances in education (69.4 percent), housing (65.3 percent) and health care (65.2 percent). A Chilean survey last year showed that Venezuelans are first among Latin Americans in viewing their country as "totally democratic." '
Tell that to Dave! They dont need liars like dave to defend their democratic rights...not while theyve got Chavez.
90 - brian
dave:'As for why Chavez' behavior is my business, it's because I have as much right as anyone else to be concerned when I see fellow men being deprived of rights and forced into a subjugated status'
hate to repeat it, but this statement still looks very strange!There is no oppresssion going on in venezula these days..but there is a concerted effort by the old power elite to destroy chavez and his government....imagine if the Democrats in US behaved like they the white V elite...
So why do you keep lying?
91 - moonraven
Brian:
The Venezuelan people don't need a fat, bald, ugly gringo bigot. Period.
Neither do we.
[Personal attack deleted by Comments Editor]
92 - troll
moonraven - capital punishment was banned in Venezuela in 1863...is the firing squad to be brought back under the coming 'dictatorship of the proletariat' there - ?
your and Brian's anger based 'us and them' mentality - as justified by the history of capitalist 'excess' as it might be - is reactionary goo
93 - Clavos
"won for the 4th time with an even greater percentage of the votes"
Even 100% (which he did not get) of the votes cast by only 25% of the registered voters is still only 1 in 4 of Venezuelan voters supporting him.
Pretty small group from which to be claiming mandates and legitimacy.
94 - Clavos
"Thats why he gets elected with figuers your wretched presidental liars can only dream of"
Indeed.
See link in #93, above.
95 - BRIAN
Trolls live under bridges and eat people...a fitting image for a capitalist.
96 - Clavos
There it is.
The ad hominem attack, because you can't refute troll with logic and facts.
97 - troll
foolish child - I see a long career sharpening guillotines in your future
98 - Silver Surfer
Where can I get a Chavez action figure? Does Mattel make them?
99 - BRIAN
Clavos... your joking... Your link took me to a BBC article that chose the US state dept as its source!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And theres this:
'The US has called for electoral reform in Venezuela after supporters of President Hugo Chavez swept all 167 seats in parliament. '
Wow! What the hey! Given the US elections in 2000 and 2004 were embroiled in vote fraud... the US is in no position to tell other countries how to vote.....But why do nitwits like the BBC still us the US state dept, as a source of commentary on other countries? Maybe thats because the BBC is a corrupt organisation.
Take a look at a bit lower down:
'The BBC's Greg Morsbach in Caracas says people queued to vote in deprived parts of the city, where support for the president is usually strong.
Polling stations in middle class urban areas were almost empty, our correspondent says. '
So what do we find, the middle and upper classes chose not to vote...well, they dont have to, just as they dont have to in US elections! But they DID vote in the poor areas.
Meanwhile, the US lacks any idea of voter transparency in its elections, where they are controlled by uncontroled private corporations like Diebold.
Meanwhile, lets go back to the Referendum of 2004: Historic high turnout... and back to the 2005 elections:
'The opposition and some international observers have made the claim that the abstention rate of about 75% demonstrates a deep distrust in the electoral process and the Chávez government. [13] Government officials claim that the withdrawal of the opposition candidates was a tactic to undermine the vote as undemocratic and was done after seeing their low standing on the polls.
The opposition claim of low voter confidence can also be disputed by the fact that more than 72% of Venezuelans voted in the Venezuelan Presidential election of 2006, an election where Hugo Chavez received close to 63% of the popular vote; far ahead of his closest rival who was supported by the main rightwing opposition parties. OAS Secretary General José Miguel Insulza criticized the withdrawal after the National Electoral Council's capitulation on the most urgent of the conditions the opposition parties had highlighted.
SO what do we learn... the opposition knowing it had no chance of winning tried to scuttle the elections by not turnig up! In 2006, elections had a much higher turnout with Hugo STILL the clear winner.
100 - brian
Clavos:'There it is.
The ad hominem attack, because you can't refute troll with logic and facts.'
not so, Troll got the response his post deserved
101 - brian
'Where can I get a Chavez action figure? Does Mattel make them?'
youd better ask the chinese...Mattel prefers chinese slave labor in the making of its toys....and hang the safety.Its called capitalism.
102 - moonraven
Just a few quick ones:
[Personal attack deleted by Comments Editor] Venezuela's percentage of registered voters who actually VOTE is among the highest on the planet.
I don't think the Chavez action doll is still on the market. A year ago there was a guy in Venezuela who lives on Isla Margarita still selling the set of two--red outfit and green fatigues model--on eBay.
I haven't checked recently as my nephew has now outgrown action figures and now listens when in Mexico the Chavez cd of rancheras and llaneras in played on the radio.
Venezuela is not bringing back the firing squad.
THIS POSTER is who is calling for bringing it back in the US of Assholes.
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103 - Dave Nalle
Where can I get a Chavez action figure? Does Mattel make them?
Mattel doesn't make, them but they ARE available on ebay and selling briskly. I'm sure MR and Brian have them.
Dave
104 - A lil bird told me
Moonraven,its rather useless arguing with Nalle and Clavos.I've also noticed that most of your comments have been edited by the comments editor.These people on blogcritics are out to discredit and ultimately dissuade you from posting a contrarian opinion especially if it clashes with the rabid right wing ideology that they so like to wear on their smelly sleeves.Please see this link and read comment#1 and you'll understand.If THEY don't like what you write then THEY CAN indulge in personal attacks.But if you don't like what they write just you try doing it and they'll edit out all the juicy stuff.
105 - A lil bird told me
HOW DID THESE COMMENTS GO UNEDITED ON BLOGCRITICS?HOW???
106 - Matthew T. Sussman
"THIS POSTER is who is calling for bringing it [firing squad] back in the US of Assholes."
It's technically not banned from Idaho or Oklahoma. But of course, you knew that.
107 - Dave Nalle
But youd live to see Chavez removed....right dave?
I'd love to see the people of Venezuela free and prosperous. Chavez seems to stand in the way of that.
Capitalism and freedom? Why yoke those two words?
Because they are directly related to each other.
Theres more freedom in venezuela than in the US, where under Bush,
Except for freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of movement, freedom in education, etc.
Hell, they've got every freedom except for actually being free.
Meanwhile elections have been certified free and fair by the Carter Center and other observers
Actually, a number of legitimate international observer groups have requested investigations into massive electoral fraud in both of the last two elections.
imagine if Venezuela paid money to political groups in the US to overturn the US system! Youd be hopping mad.
They do, Brian, and I have no real objections so long as they continue to abide by campaign finance rules - unlike the Chinese.
Finally:when Chavez starts to invade his neighbors to plunder them to fill the needs of an economy he will have bankrupted.'
This is so laughable absurd it could only have come from the head of desperate pirate capitalist!
This is the conclusion which anyone educated in the history of autocratic government would make. It's inevitable.
Dave, you may fool other pirate capitalists
What on earth is a 'pirate capitalist'? I'm afraid I'm not up on my socialist jargon.
the hated US is the enemy of freedom and democracy everywhere...witness what theyve done in Iraq!
Indeed, we were so evil as to create the opportunity for a government to be democratically elected there. I guess if you hate what the US did in Iraq you must hate democracy.
Dave
108 - Dave Nalle
Little bird, the article you refer to was posted before we had a regular comments editor and none of the comments there were edited at all. And the right wing commenter whose comment you're objecting to was subsequently BANNED altogether from the site. So your claims of preferential editing seems a bit ridiculous.
Clavos and I who are the main supporters of the people of Venezuela here are not, in fact, right wing extremists, but rather advocates of the liberal valeus of life, liberty and property and of the rights of people everywhere to be free. In US terms many of our positions would be called 'liberal'. As for comments editing, our comments editor is a european socialist, culturally conditioned to be sympathetic to your position, yet he's rational enough to spot personal attacks when he sees them.
dave
109 - Dr Dreadful
Arch finally got himself banned? For what?
I noticed that he seemed to have been lying low recently. Huh.
110 - A lil bird told me
"....but rather advocates of the liberal valeus of life, liberty and property and of the rights of people everywhere to be free..."
what a laugh...reactionary bigots like you masquerading as liberals
Chris is good at his job,not you Nalle.
111 - A lil bird told me
well since you distance yourself from those comments made by Arch Conservative GO ON DELETE THEM
112 - Martin Lav
Little Bird,
Clavos and Nalle are not Right - Wing Wacko's they are just this sites self-appointed blowhards and know it alls.
Do yourself a favor and leave this site like many others have, since you will get nowhere in responding to the likes of them. The editors of this site continue to show their disdain to all readers by allowing the likes of these two (probably the same persons) to inhabit this cyber-space.
One of them is quite famous for his posting under assumed names ( Vox ) to enhance his own arguments.
He himself will write articles of OPINION while trying to post comments as FACTS, all the while displaying a POSTER of himself, while deriding others of the same.
113 - Lapdog
"Clavos and I who are the main supporters of the people of Venezuela here are not, in fact, right wing extremists, but rather advocates of the liberal valeus of life, liberty and property and of the rights of people everywhere to be free."
But why are you so disproportionately concerned with Venezuelans being free when Native Americans' in the US had their property taken by force along with their rights and freedom?
Have you ever advocated anywhere on this site for the restoration of Native American land, rights and freedom?
114 - Dave Nalle
Arch finally got himself banned? For what?
I noticed that he seemed to have been lying low recently. Huh.
I think he subsequently got reinstated. It was a 30-day ban like the one Moonraven was under at about the same time.
what a laugh...reactionary bigots like you masquerading as liberals
Bird, you wouldn't recognize liberalism if it bit you on the ass. Perhaps you could describe the basic beliefs of liberalism as you see them. That might be amusing.
well since you distance yourself from those comments made by Arch Conservative GO ON DELETE THEM
Not my job. Now that we have a comments editor no one else edits comments.
Dave
115 - Dave Nalle
But why are you so disproportionately concerned with Venezuelans being free when Native Americans' in the US had their property taken by force along with their rights and freedom?
Native Americans have the same rights and freedoms today that everyone else in the US has. They even have some extra privileges since they can choose to live on a reservation outside of US law (though I can't imagine why they would make that choice) and some of them can even use hallucinogens which are prohibited to the general population.
Have you ever advocated anywhere on this site for the restoration of Native American land, rights and freedom?
I don't believe in reparations for wrongs which happened generations ago. I do, however, believe that Native Americans should (and do) have all the rights and freedoms of any other US citizen, no better and no worse and no more privileged than anyone else.
Position in society should be based on an individual's accomplishments, not where his ancestors happened to be born or what ethnic group he belongs to.
Dave
116 - Lapdog
"Native Americans have the same rights and freedoms today that everyone else in the US has."
But they don't have anywhere near the rights that Venezuelans have so why are you so fixated on their rights?
117 - REMF
"Arch finally got himself banned? For what?"
Doing a poor impersonation of the Three Stooges' "Curly"...
118 - Dave Nalle
"Native Americans have the same rights and freedoms today that everyone else in the US has."
But they don't have anywhere near the rights that Venezuelans have so why are you so fixated on their rights?
Not clear what you're getting at here. Native Americans in the US obviously enjoy substantially more rights than the average Venezuelan citizen.
Dave
119 - Christopher Rose
To clear up some misconceptions here:-
Mr Nalle is wrong when he claims we didn't have a comments editor then; we did, it was me and in general terms I'm OK with the interchanges. Hindsight is always perfect but it's better to learn and look forward than to revise the past. Revisionism is a dirty business at best.
Dave is also being either disingenuous or simply daft when he claims not to be right wing; to my way of thinking his political mental map is firmly stuck in the late 20th century, which makes most of the things he says seem absurd.
Of course, it's hard to be sure how much of what he writes he actually believes. One example of this is his persistent tagging of me as a socialist, despite me having patiently explained my political perspective to him on at least half a dozen different occasions. Like many people he's kind of stuck in a rut and seems incapable of updating his mental framework, more's the pity.
Doc, Arch isn't banned, he just hasn't been around lately.
Mr Lav, as I believe you are well aware, Blogcritics is famously and rightly dogma free and doesn't toe any cultural or political lines. If the site owners were to ban political blowhards, the carnage would be widespread and cut swathes through both sides of the political spectrum.
It's true that the hyperactive Mr Nalle did indeed once famously double team and the ins and outs of that were thrashed out in public for all to follow, rather than being dealt with secretly behind closed doors, again to the site's credit.
It's also true that he regularly pulls off the classic doublethink of considering his own views as the product of reason whilst decrying the views of others as dogma or extreme. Personally, I find that characteristic of the dogmatic thinking he decries, which is ironic to say the least!
Lapdog, please refer to my depiction of the Nalleian thinking process above.
Lil Bird, one sure fire way to piss off the comments editor is to post under multiple identities, particularly if you do it to support your own arguments. So far you're only halfway there so please consider your approach...
120 - Dave Nalle
Mr Nalle is wrong when he claims we didn't have a comments editor then; we did, it was me
Sorry, I haven't kept track of how long we've had a comment editor, I just made an erroneous assumption based on how long ago it was and the fact that there was no discernable editing. I'm surprised you let that comment from Archie get through. You were mellower back then.
Dave is also being either disingenuous or simply daft when he claims not to be right wing; to my way of thinking his political mental map is firmly stuck in the late 20th century, which makes most of the things he says seem absurd..
It's already been thoroughly established that your rigid eurocentric viewpoint renders you incapable of accepting or even abstractly understanding what terms like 'conservative' mean in the US context.
I do agree that in European terms I am Conservative, though really there's no major movement in any major European country which I would consider myself politically compatible with.
Of course, it's hard to be sure how much of what he writes he actually believes.
Indeed it is.
One example of this is his persistent tagging of me as a socialist, despite me having patiently explained my political perspective to him on at least half a dozen different occasions. Like many people he's kind of stuck in a rut and seems incapable of updating his mental framework, more's the pity.
It's just easier to throw a label on you than to try to explain the body of delusional thinking and self-deception on which your worldview is based.
It's also true that he regularly pulls off the classic doublethink of considering his own views as the product of reason whilst decrying the views of others as dogma or extreme. Personally, I find that characteristic of the dogmatic thinking he decries, which is ironic to say the least!
But we've been over this before and the rigidity of your thoughts and your utter lack of vision are pretty well established.
Dave
121 - Martin Lav
Thanks Chris, but please make him take down the poster of himself, it makes Mussolini look like a Hollywood Movie Star and you do have a policy about vulgar, vile and cruel and embarrassing to the site....
122 - Christopher Rose
Dave, I just love the way you keep proving me right whilst earnestly trying to disprove. Please do keep it up.
To correct your latest errors:- the only reason more bad comments were being tolerated then was because you were harassing me both publicly and in the editor's group to respect the traditions of free speech.
Against my better judgement, I went along with your naive if well intentioned ideas until it became evident that pure policy wasn't good enough and pragmatism had to take over.
Notably, you have since then shifted your own position considerably, even going so far as to call for the banning of certain commenters, a call I have steadfastly and regularly rejected.
It's you that has rigid views Dave, so referring to me in those terms is nothing but pure comedy. Fortunately, the joke is on you.
Thanks for proving, once again, that you just throw out tags rather than actually engage with anybody that disagrees with you. I love the way you are confirming your dogmatically simplistic approach, it's SO dated as to be in danger of becoming fashionable again. One day!
Yeah, Dave, it's me that's stuck in a mental rut. Just keep telling yourself that, it's your equivalent of whistling as you walk past the graveyard, a real comfort blanket thing.
Now run along and write some more of your deliriously dated political screeds.
Martin, I wish, but Dave has that American flashiness thing going on. In a word, shameless!
123 - Martin Lav
Is that some bling he's wearing around his neck on the "outside" of his shirt? Probably one of those snaggly tooths left over from when he had hair, wore cheeks and danced to Burning Inferno.
124 - moonraven
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125 - Dave Nalle
Dave, I just love the way you keep proving me right whilst earnestly trying to disprove. Please do keep it up.
This is indeed a classic, Christopher. I love the way you make this statement and then go on to prove that your main claim about me is wrong.
To correct your latest errors:- the only reason more bad comments were being tolerated then was because you were harassing me both publicly and in the editor's group to respect the traditions of free speech.
Against my better judgement, I went along with your naive if well intentioned ideas until it became evident that pure policy wasn't good enough and pragmatism had to take over.
Notably, you have since then shifted your own position considerably, even going so far as to call for the banning of certain commenters, a call I have steadfastly and regularly rejected.
It's you that has rigid views Dave,
So, you point out in the paragraphs above that I changed my views on the subject of unlimited free expression in the context of this site, but yet you follow it up yet again by stating that my views are rigid. Did I change my position or was I rigid? Pick one.
Thanks for proving, once again, that you just throw out tags rather than actually engage with anybody that disagrees with you. I love the way you are confirming your dogmatically simplistic approach, it's SO dated as to be in danger of becoming fashionable again. One day!
Admitting that tags sometimes make things easier isn't the same as thinking in such simplistic terms. One would hope that you understood this, but I'm constantly reminded that I have to go in baby steps so I don't lose some readers.
Martin, I wish, but Dave has that American flashiness thing going on. In a word, shameless!
Your mistaken assumption here is that I have anything at all to be ashamed of.
Dave