Extremism breeds violence and terror and is the enemy of liberty. After the Tiller murder Republicans may finally have had enough.
I was very interested to see the reaction of many Republicans to the over-the-top behavior of the extreme right in the wake of the assassination of abortion doctor George Tiller earlier this week. On The Next Right they quickly removed an offensive article, and comments had loudly condemned the author. On Little Green Footballs they posted a substantial article condemning commenters and posters on several other right-leaning blogs for their remarks about Tiller. These reactions give a clear impression that more and more mainstream Republicans are fed up with the fanaticism of the religious right, sickened by their behavior over the Tiller issue and just about ready to give them the boot.…
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176 - Cindy
zing,
lol, that's good
177 - Cindy
Roger,
Interesting. I read about ordinary language philosophy a few months ago to see where you might be coming from. That sort of thing on the link doesn't look like the same understanding I thought I had of what you did in your article.
I'm trying to figure out why still, you seem to me to have clearly said something in your article and when I said it back to you in my words--you don't really seem to recognize what I mean.
178 - roger nowosielski
I'm going have to reread the thread then.
179 - Zedd
Roger,
I know this comment does not fit this thread however I seem to remember an article that you wrote about language and its relevance, a while back. I found it interesting particularly when I read the passage in the Bible which says "in the beginning was the word". You came to mind.
180 - roger nowosielski
Well, check out my article in the Politics section, front page. It's somewhat controversial as I'm testing the waters. The title, "Random Thoughts on Torture ..."
181 - Zedd
Budding in....
A few years back on BC there was a dialouge on Madeleine Albright's looks. I was stunned.
Side note: Considering that Washington DC certainly would not come to mind as the place to go to if I was in a race to check off as many hunk citings as possible. Not sure why Albrights looks needed to be discussed. I don't know, Senior Citizen Civil Servants and sex appeal somehow don't mix. Regardless of gender. Just a thought.
182 - Zedd
Dave,
You look like a serial killer on the picture OR a nutty gun enthusiast/survivalist who lives on a ranch just outside of town who likes to shoot dogs for target practice.... Oh,oooops.
183 - Cindy
Hey there Zedd :-)
184 - Dave Nalle
You look like a serial killer on the picture OR a nutty gun enthusiast/survivalist who lives on a ranch just outside of town who likes to shoot dogs for target practice.... Oh,oooops.
What's really scary is that most other photos of me look far worse.
Dave
185 - Arch Conservative
"The Left and the Liberal and the Independent and the Democrat have just as much right to EXPOUND here as you! "
That's a laugh. It's generally the left leaning posters on this site that piss and moan and try to get the editors to remove comments they don't like, not those who lean to the right. In a sense BC is just a microcosm of society as large as we often see intolerant leftists attempting to silence those who do not share their opinions whether it be the fairness doctrine, a bunch of uppity college kids in some socialist shithead club behaving like screaming two year old during guest speak engagements our very on King Barry telling the American public that they're "listening to the wrong talk shows and watching the wrong TV shows."
As for being an extremist. There is nothing I have said about Tiller that millions of other Americans do not also feel but just don't vocalize. That being that they are not happy he was murdered, they are in fact happy about what his murder represents and that is that he will no longer be able to kill babies by the thousand.
Any conscienable person that truly understands what partial birth abortion actually is and who also understands how very rare that it's necessary to save the mom's life and how this cannot be reconciled with the sheer number of PBAs that Tiller performed must necessarily be disturbed by his life's work.
186 - Jordan Richardson
Arch, are partial birth abortions common?
187 - Cindy
PBA= IDX or D&X
"IDX, along with dilation and evacuation (D&E), early induction of labor, and rare procedures such as saline abortion, are only used in the late stages of pregnancy. Late-term abortions at 21 weeks or later account for 1.4% of all abortions in the USA.[10] Intact D&X procedures are used in approximately 15% of those late-term abortion cases. This is the equivalent of between 2,500 and 3,000 per year, using data from the Alan Guttmacher Institute for the year 2000. They are typically performed between the twentieth and twenty-fourth week of pregnancy.[11]"
Reasons women gave for late-term abortions:
71% Woman didn't recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation
48% Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion
33% Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents
24% Woman took time to decide to have an abortion
8% Woman waited for her relationship to change
8% Someone pressured woman not to have abortion
6% Something changed after woman became pregnant
6% Woman didn't know timing is important
5% Woman didn't know she could get an abortion
2% A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy
11% Other
188 - Cindy
People who oppose this type of abortion might want to consider if not teaching teens about birth control, pregnancy, abortion is a great idea.
I am wondering how many opponents of abortion are also opposed to education?
189 - roger nowosielski
Keep 'em dumb, barefoot and pregnant is the general idea.
190 - Cindy
185 - Zedd,
I'm not sure what the point is ever in discussing people's looks or for that matter people's age in relation to their looks. Seems, minimally, shallow and absurd, often mean and always dimwitted.
191 - Cindy
I think the general idea is that sex is some sort of sin and therefore it's not appropriate to educate teens about sex. I think it's an abstinence mentality.
192 - roger nowosielski
Or the vestige of the Victorian era. Some still live in the nineteenth century.
193 - Arch Conservative
People who oppose this type of abortion might want to consider if not teaching teens about birth control, pregnancy, abortion is a great idea.
I agree with you wholeheartedly Cindy. It's absurd to object to abortion and then in the same breath deny young people birth control. It is a natural healthyhuman desire and practice.
However Planned Parenthood, like any good sales people are playing the numbers game. Under the guise of education they're actually seeking to promote promiscuity among young people because that even if they hand out a million condoms it's encouraging kids to have sex and some of those condoms won't get used and some will fail relating in pregnancies of which some will be terminated which means more money for Planned Parenthood.
Not only is Satan's Little Helpers the biggest abortion provider in the nation but abortion is by far thier biggest source of revenue. So you can spin it any way you want it but the facts don't lie....PP is in the abortion business first and formeost
194 - Cindy
I don't know much about planned parenthood Arch. I haven't been there since I was a teen. When I did go, it was to get free gynecological services. Perhaps they offered these services like a premium, hoping that when they could get me pregnant, I'd give them my abortion business.
195 - zingzing
archie: "Under the guise of education they're actually seeking to promote promiscuity among young people because that even if they hand out a million condoms it's encouraging kids to have sex and some of those condoms won't get used and some will fail relating in pregnancies of which some will be terminated which means more money for Planned Parenthood."
wow. that's some theory. they hand out condoms... and educate men and women about the dangers of sex... so that people can have sex, but not get diseased or pregnant... hoping that they WILL get pregnant... and have abortions... thereby making money for pp...
i mean, that does sound like a viable, if kind of stupid business model. don't you think you'd be banking on some flimsy ground right there, and you're kind of muddying your message with the whole education thing.
i would think that it would be easier to tell kids not to have sex, that abstinence is the only way, then set up an organization like planned parenthood to provide abortions for the stupid teens acting like teens.
...hmm...
i think that planned parenthood has a silent partner in the catholic church, who planned the whole thing as a money-making venture. good job, catholic church!
that's my theory.
196 - Arch Conservative
"When I did go, it was to get free gynecological services."
How'd that work out for ya Cindy?
197 - zingzing
worked out better than when you went in there for gynecological services. oh, wait, you've never been to planned parenthood? so you don't know what you're talking about? i see. natch.
198 - Irene Wagner
If Planned Parenthood is being discussed here, someone ought to bring up Bernard Nathanson, co-founder of NARAL (National Association of Repeal of Abortion Laws.)
He claims that in the early days of the pro-choice movement, false statistics were used to encourage a then-resistant population to accept legalized abortion.
I've tried to find a "neutral" link for this, but they all seem to be associated with the anti-abortion sites. The pro-abortion sites don't want to touch his story, except for an attempt to discredit the video "Silent Scream" which he produced. It claims to be a video of a fetus' physical reaction to the abortion process. Bernard Nathanson, in return, claims that this video was vetted for authenticity by Ian McDonald, the doctor who pioneered use of the sonogram in medicine, including obstetrics.
I think the testimony of former abortionist Beverly McMillan, M.D. is worth reading because she reminds people that some doctors really DO go into the practice to help women. It's after they get there that they discover some of the shady practices.
Kathy Sparks is another who stopped providing abortions, but anyone who really wants to hear about the things that go on in the industry needs to read the stories she has to tell about her witnessing of (and involvement in) in gross abuses of vulnerable women.
I'd provide links, but again, its hard to find a site that would be to everyone's liking. Y'all know how to google. And I'm out of here. It's getting a little bit too personal.
199 - Arch Conservatie
So by your logic if someone's never been to Iraq in the past 5 years they can't be informed or have an opinion about what's going there right Zing?
Better let the editors know that no comments on the war will be accepted unless the poster can prove they've been to Iraq.
Satan's Little Helpers are the largest abortion providers in the nations. That's a fact.
They make millions in not just revenue but profit from abortion every year. Another fact.
They have been caught on tape lieing about age/consent laws to people pretending to be underage girls seeking abortions. Another Fact
200 - roger nowosielski
Irene,
I'd hope to keep the distinction between the concept and the practice as clear as possible.
201 - Irene Wagner
Roger Nowosielski:
Because people are so enamored of the concept, people who practice awry are given a pass.
202 - Irene Wagner
I matched your pithiness, Roger Nowosielski, 16 words to 16 words, and with precious little time before church to react, too.
I'm done.
203 - roger nowosielski
Touche, Irene! But then again, I wouldn't expect anything less from you.
To be resumed.
204 - Bliffle
The article asks: "Have Republicans Finally Had Enough?" One assumes that the author means: "enough screwing around chasing the votes of nitwits by emphasizing unimportant but divisive issues".
For all the talk that one hears about republicans being anti-gay rights and anti-abortion there is precious little discussion of the basic principles of the republican party, little things like Fiscal responsibility, Freedom, Opportunity....
I suppose it's too late. They've forgotten.
205 - roger nowosielski
Dave,
Reference - you long comment (numbers have been cancelled on a/c of Fernando).
You're referring to triage then (sort of playing God). I, Robot comes to mind.
To follow this line of thinking, you should have no objections to assisted suicide.
Am I wrong?
Roger
206 - Dave Nalle
To follow this line of thinking, you should have no objections to assisted suicide.
Am I wrong?
So long as consent is clearly given, no.
Dave
207 - roger nowosielski
Gee, Dave.
You had better switch the parties, then, because this is a "liberal" position. The other option left open to you - you have a great deal of party reforming to do (which you've been hinting at of late).
Not unlike David Horowitz, I'd say, who is a through-and-through liberal except for his position on Israel. Yet, he can't seem to leave because there's nowhere for him to go.
Roger