Rejecting Republican candidates for being Christians, the LA Times' editors face a conundrum after Democrats announced similar faith.
After a recent Los Angeles Times editorial used the platform of the evolutionists versus creationists debate to leap into an excoriating criticism of three Republican candidates who professed faith in Christianity, the top three Democrat candidates on June 4 stood in the public limelight and offered their testimonies to YAHWEH — The Almighty who the LA Times' editors apparently believe is merely a figment of the imagination of more than a billion people around the world. …
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76 - SteveS
I thought the objective was to get the government out of the bedroom.
77 - SteveS
MSNBC and Newsweek seem to have chosen the side of the LA Times.
Much like bacteria EVOLVES resistance to antibiotics and mosquitoes EVOLVE resistance to pesticides, it now seems that there is PROOF that evolution takes genes which have an obsolete purpose and EVOLVES them into a new function, showing that 'Irreducible Complexity' is reducible afterall.
78 - Dave Nalle
MBD, except for his current opportunistic position on immigration, Ron Paul is a liberal too - suck it up.
Dave
79 - MBD
"I've... voted libertarian in every election in the 30 years I've been old enough to vote."
“There are nice, rational candidates like Rudy Giuliani and Bill Richardson to vote for”
“I've supported Ron Paul for 20 years. I've even donated to his congressional campaigns..."
"I know for a fact that Ron Paul who didn't raise his hand is still extremely - even frighteningly - religious."
“Ron Paul is a liberal too…”
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Does nallecon take the blue pill, the red pill, or both?
Tumbling down the rabbit hole?" Nallecon says, "You take the blue pill, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland and see just how deep the rabbit-hole goes.
80 - MBD
"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there's a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged, and it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we become victims of the darkness."
---Justice William O. Douglas
And Ron Paul is the only canary in the mine.
81 - Dr Dreadful
MBD, the rabbit hole bullshit was (a) not on this thread and (b) not written by Nalle.
I think you need to go and lie down.
82 - MBD
nallecon's apologist is disturbed because he is dyslexic, dysfunctional and cannot discern what was described.
Stop taking the blue and red pills.
83 - sr
Dear Blogcritics, Thank you for some of the best intertainment of my life. You do a great job. Some of the comments I read make me fall out of my office chair or the fruit tree laughing. Sure Im conservative however many of your liberal commenters have great whit and are very intelligent. So are my conservatives friends. Thank you for this forum. MBD abd Doc you funny guys. After my election you shall become the jesters of my court. It pays $200.000 per year. What a deal. Now back to the subject at hand. I think we were talking about Paris Hilton working for the LA Times.
84 - Dr Dreadful
sr: You're welcome. I'll be happy to accept your job offer. What's the health coverage like?
MBD: it appears that although you are good at alliteration (you probably learned how from Brodie), you are sadly unable to determine the location of the boundary between the inside of your head and the real world. The Dr's prescription to you is to keep taking the pills. All of them.
85 - MBD
I am the dispenserer.
86 - Dr Dreadful
Hey! You do have a sense of humor!
87 - MBD
Hey, Abbott would be nothing without Costello.
88 - Zedd
MBD
Dave means liberal in the classical sense. You are thinking he is meaning the modern interpretation of liberalism. It involves an economic liberalism; a libertarian world view.
I agree with most of those notions as they are the most practical but chose more flexibility in applying solutions to problems.
89 - Zedd
Dave
Sorry to speak for you. I suppose its pay back for your response for me on the other thread. I posted it before I realised what I just did :o)
I hope I got it right.
Just putting in my social service duty hours on MBD this week.
90 - Dave Nalle
The classic definition of liberal remains the only really correct one. When people on the left refer to themselves as liberal, more often than not, if they think about it they can identify what makes them a liberal, and most of that does fall into the classical definition. With a little prodding they can even tell the difference between those beliefs they hold which are truly liberal and those which are actually socialistic.
Dave
91 - MBD
Zedd says… “You are thinking he is meaning the modern interpretation of liberalism.”
Just what we need here. Another apologist for nallecon.
You can determine what I am thinking?
Miracles never cease!
Are you a real clairvoyant or did you just consult your Parker Brothers Ouija Board ?
One moment nallecon takes the blue pill, and believes whatever he wants others to believe. Then he takes the red pill, and stays in his wonderland.
Zedd, which pill are you on?
Then with a little prodding cometh the neocon out of his closet and sayeth he is still on the red pill.
92 - MBD
"Ron Paul who didn't raise his hand is still extremely - even frighteningly - religious."
"Ron Paul is a liberal too..."
So, Ron Paul is a "frighteningly religious liberal"?
93 - sr
No health coverage Doc. The Hilldabeast will take care of that. You will have free trips on Airforce One to my ranch in Texas. Bring your shotguns. The bird hunting is great. My good friend Dick Cheney will take you into the fields and show you where the birds are. We have no indoor plumbing however each of our out house's as a copy of the LA Times and naked pictures of fat Rosie. Please dont jeck off looking at the pictures. Our next patrons may not like Elmers glue on the toilet lid. What more could you ask for. Vote for sr and I'll make all your dreams come true. My first day in office I will nuke San Fran and then Iran. President sr
94 - MBD
sr, forget the nuking if you want my vote and forget your asinine pre-emptive wars. An American president is simply not someone who is over 35 and a citizen, but someone who follows the Constitution and obeys the law. Just as importantly, the president should not endanger the security of the country for the sake of special interests. It is un-American, and when American lives are sacrificed for special interests, it is traitorous.
95 - Dave Nalle
So, Ron Paul is a "frighteningly religious liberal"?
Yep, and there's nothing more scary, really. Glad you finally understand over there in the special ed room.
Dave
96 - Clavos
As long as you don't speak too quickly or use big words (more than two syllables), he can occasionally grasp a few basic concepts...
97 - MBD
Ron Paul is a "frighteningly religious liberal" -- just like Hillary "the beast' or John 'the haircut'-- or any of the other left-wingers who all claim to be liberals, and obviously don't give a damn for the Constitution?
LOL!
Or is nallecon just playing word games again after taking too many red and blue pills?
And I would caution the parrot not to overdose on the pills. Parrot's hoarse raucous sounds are already reduced to meaningless mumbles.
98 - Clavos
MBD is fond of using buzzwords like “blowback” and “neocon” because they relieve him of the necessity of thinking for himself, and (he thinks) they make him sound “hip” and “now,” when in fact, his comments sound like those of an 85 or 90 year old embittered old man deep in the throes of early stage Alzheimer’s.
99 - Nancy
I think of all the comments above, Zing (#7 & 8) had it most right, altho about BOTH parties & most if not ALL candidates: none of them give a fuck about religion; all they want is their 4-8 years of earthly power, & Dems & GOPs both are busy getting worked up over who's going to get to make fools & patsies out of all of us next.
100 - Dr Dreadful
That's an accurate assessment in my opinion too. Isn't it true that out of all 100 senators and 440-odd representatives, there's only one who admits to being an atheist? Even just from a statistical standpoint, that's highly implausible.
101 - zingzing
mbd... stop with the matrix references. it's getting old. also, your anti-nalle shit is getting boring. we know you don't like his politics (or is it just him?) and some of us agree with you. but dave's no neocon, even if he does apologize for them sometimes. i think dave's got his head screwed on 2/3rds of the way... it's baffling how he can espouse some very lovely political idea(l)s, then turn around and be so blind about other things.
the simplicity of your attacks on dave, which seem to want to point out contradictions in his political beliefs, are reflected by the simplicity of your "constitution only" platform. if it only it were that simple. nalle's (and most everyone else's) political beliefs are much more complex than you seem to understand, but that's because yours are so nailed down. at least it seems so. you can tell me if i am wrong.
by the way--i'm not apologizing for dave. i think he's sorta right in this case (paul is dangerous), but he can be very, very wrong (in my book) on other things.
102 - zingzing
to #99 and #100-- it's easy to figure out why politicians want to appeal to christian believers. #1, they are a large group, mostly adult, who vote. #2, they are obviously gullible!
oi.
103 - sr
MBD#94. I will not be your average every day president. I will just nuke as I see fit. If your wanting the position I offered you respect my orders. I just may have to nuke you.
President sr
104 - Dr Dreadful
SR, no domestic nuking, OK? You should come to San Francisco one day and I'll show you around the popular gay city government and vibrant liberal nightlife.
So keep your finger off the button, or I will sneak up behind you and pull your pants down while you are giving the State of the Union address.
105 - MBD
Putting aside what the self-described jesters are mouthing, and getting to issues which matter, such as why Ron Paul is attacked by the neocons…
Nallecon says...
"The classic definition of liberal remains the only really correct one. When people on the left refer to themselves as liberal, more often than not, if they think about it they can identify what makes them a liberal, and most of that does fall into the classical definition. With a little prodding they can even tell the difference between those beliefs they hold which are truly liberal and those which are actually socialistic."
“only really “
“more often than not”
“they think”
“most of “
“little prodding”
“which are truly “
“which are actually ‘
It all adds up to a lot of convoluted bullshit.
The comment was made by zingo referencing, “the simplicity of your "constitution”… zingo, if it’s not also your Constitution, what are you doing commenting on it? And if you don’t believe in the Constitution, why are you living here and what fundamental law do you believe in?
Ron Paul is a conservative who believes in the Constitution and the rule of law. The neocons don’t like that. They want a president who will succumb to special interests and big money -- the real enemies of the American people.
The courts are here to take care of other Constitutional issues, but the courts can do nothing to deter an out-of-control president who believes in pre-emptive wars. The Constitution relies on the judgment of the president to make the right decisions on foreign policy.
The president is supposed to protect the country, not to engage in wars such as the current neocon pre-emptive war in the Middle East that has made matters much worse for this country.
To further support the military-industrial complex, we have our media promoting a propaganda offensive to support a pre-emptive war against Iran, as it did against Iraq.
The loony neocons want a war on Iran, a country that has never attacked us, has no appreciable military, has never started a war for well over a hundred years, and only has a big-mouth president with a lot of bluster. How does another pre-emptive war help this country? Yet, which of the presidential candidates, other than Ron Paul, has spoken against such pre-emptive wars?
What Iran wants is recognition as a normal country that abides by international law. The neocon notion that Iran is an expansionist "axis-of-evil" state came out of a political speech and has no basis in fact. Iran has no recent history of invading another country, unlike the countries which threaten Iran. It is the neocons who are the warmongers.
That is the most important Constitutional problem Ron Paul is addressing and the neocons don’t want to hear it.
If you can't see it, that's your problem.
106 - sr
Doc Kinkey, pull my pants down. No wonder you live in gay Frisco. Vibrant liberal nightlife. No thanks Doc. Dont need to nuke you. Muslim camels will fuck your city to death. Better have your vasoline survival kit on hand.
107 - zingzing
mbd: "The comment was made by zingo referencing, "the simplicity of your "constitution"... zingo, if it's not also your Constitution, what are you doing commenting on it? And if you don't believe in the Constitution, why are you living here and what fundamental law do you believe in?"
the fuck are you talking about? you quote me out of context. i said, "the simplicity of your 'constitution ONLY' platform..." which means a totally different thing than how you quote me. but it points out the simplicity of your argument again.
it is my constitution, but even if it wasn't, i'd feel very fucking free to comment on it. i'm a free man whether the constitution says so or not. so i'll skip the next question, as it is just silly at this point.
i like that ron paul defends the constitution. it's nice. we could deal with a bit more of that. but it's not the only issue on the table. being a one-issue voter is just silly, and being a one-issue candidate is just deadly (not that paul is a one-issue candidate... it's some of his other positions that bother me).
108 - MBD
Zingo… What the fuck are you talking about? I never said anything about having a 'constitution ONLY' platform.” Don’t put words in my mouth.
You are doing what nallecon does -- create smoke to avert real issues.
The ‘simplicity of my argument’ is that first things come first. If there is disagreement on what is most important, lets talk about what else matters.
I find nothing wrong with other issues such as smaller government which Ron Paul also advocates.
I have seen no specific criticisms of Ron Paul on other matters. What have you got to offer other than follow the nebulous bullshit that nallecon spreads around?
Let’s just cut out the bullshit.
109 - zingzing
you know as well as i do that what i mean by "constitution only platform" is that that seems to be all you go on about. it's all you've spoken of so far on this post.
and you're the one who is creating "smoke to avert real issues" when you deliberatly misquote me. so don't give me that.
i don't place the constitution above all other issues at stake. paul is dead wrong on immigration and abortion. (although i applaud his non-hyprocrisy--he opposes the death penalty as well.) he also seems to hold simplistic ideas about taxes and the role of the government. his views on gay rights are okay... he doesn't like gay marriage personally, but thinks gov't has no business in it either.
but he does seem to listen to the people that vote for him, and he sticks by his principles. stubborness can be good and bad. it's good in someone who doesn't have ALL THAT MUCH power... but in the hands of the president? i dunno. we've seen that at work.
overall, i think he's an okay candidate, and generally a moral person with a good mind. but his views on abortion, gay rights, immigration and his general stubborness don't make me want to vote for him. politics (especially at the presidential level) is a game of compromise, and if he's unwilling to compromise, we'll have another 4 years of stalemate between congress and the executive branch.
110 - Lumpy
MBD certainly gets hostile and defensive when anyone with half a brain points out the gaping holes in his apparently random worldview.
111 - sr
Now now boys try to be nice playing around in your little sandbox.
112 - MBD
sr -- does your mommy know you're playing with the computer?
113 - MBD
I can live with Ron Paul's views on smaller government and states rights and most of his other views.
There is no other candidate that comes close to having a better set of values.
Our number one problem is our ludicrous foreign policy.
It has been hatched by warmongers.
114 - sr
No my mommy doesn't know cause Im out in my sandbox playing with my laptop and jecking off.
115 - MBD
Lumpy says:
"MBD certainly gets hostile and defensive when anyone with half a brain points out the gaping holes in his apparently random worldview."
Yup. Half a brain doesn't do it.
Come back when you find the other half.
BTW, what in hell is an "apparently random worldview."
116 - sr
Most go MBD. My snails just arrived.
117 - MBD
sr - you can play the fool for just so long and then it begins to smell like rotten snails and it gets very boring and eventually gets to be nauseating.
118 - sr
MBD#117. Did you vomit?
119 - Concerned Angeleno
The LA Times is run by bigots.
They worship Hollywood and the people who infest our culture.
We should never have let them in America in the early 1900's.
They poisoned this great country with their lies, their smear-tactics, and their filthy lawsuits.