Rejecting Republican candidates for being Christians, the LA Times' editors face a conundrum after Democrats announced similar faith.
After a recent Los Angeles Times editorial used the platform of the evolutionists versus creationists debate to leap into an excoriating criticism of three Republican candidates who professed faith in Christianity, the top three Democrat candidates on June 4 stood in the public limelight and offered their testimonies to YAHWEH — The Almighty who the LA Times' editors apparently believe is merely a figment of the imagination of more than a billion people around the world. …
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— go to most recent comments26 - Zedd
Mike,
Is this some sort of joke? Are you trying to be funny or make fun of Christians?
This is the most unreasoned article that I have ever read on the Internet. Please stop writing.
As a Christian, I am offended by your spoof.
27 - sr
Doc#20. I love it. So I misspelled Funny (E)MDB. So sue me. Did you find out with spell check? Like I give a shit. FUNNEY THAT YOU MENTIONED IT. NOW THATS REALLLLLLY FUNNNNNNNNNNY.
28 - Zedd
Clav
Did sr mean to say KNEW instead of NEW? Ohhhhhhh where are you when we need you?
29 - Dave Nalle
MBD, Paul's religious beliefs are a matter of public record. He's written enough about them. It's not my fault if you're abyssmally ignorant.
Dave
30 - Clavos
Doc sez:
"MBD, your last comment moves me to comment that commenting about comments on comments that add nothing to other comments isn't worth commenting about. Care to comment?"
Sublime, Doc. Simply sublime. Props.
31 - Titus
I was a Ron Paul supporter for months before his popularity kicked in. Then I read an article critical of church/state separation. Thats enough for me to change my vote, though I agree with him more than any other candidate.
If I were an employer hiring scientists, or geologists, I would discriminate against christains because they likely not be reliable.
32 - sr
Zedd. I knew that you knew it. So what's new Zedd. I dont use spell check. My emence intelligence with half my brain tied behind my back finds no use for it.
33 - Dave Nalle
I've supported Ron Paul for 20 years. I've even donated to his congressional campaigns. But I can't support him for president. I hope his campaign goes great, and that it results in a beautiful opportunity for him to speak at the convention and perhaps get chosen as VP so he can keep on spreading his good ideas.
Dave
34 - MBD
Well said by a true neocon.
35 - sr
I only have one arm, one eye, one ball and half a brain. Im 86 and run each day. I climb trees and see the stars. Sex is great and with my half brain I still fish and feed you all this bullshit.
36 - MBD
Nallecon says...
"Paul's religious beliefs are a matter of public record. He's written enough about them. It's not my fault if you're abyssmally (sic) ignorant."
Stop blowing your abysmal smoke.
It's obvious nallecon can't back up his generalizations.
Taking something based on what Nallecon says is like bailing out of a plane relying on a parachute made up someone who had no qualifications to do it.
37 - Baritone
Articles like the one way up above here make me want to puke.
First, there is no one on the planet who could get themselves elected to dog catcher in this country if they even intimated they weren't true believers. I am not suggesting that any of the declared presidential candidates are lying in their professions of faith. But as noted in other comments above, there is belief, and then there is belief. Radical fundamentalists who support creative design, and/or who are pushing for a theocratic state are a different breed of christian than, say your average methodist.
CDers who maintain that the world is only around 6000 years old and that all animals were vegetarians until Eve - that bitch!! - tempted Adam - poor guileless Adam - into taking a bite of the forbidden fruit, shortly after their eviction from the Garden by god who was, I have been told, wearing a deputy sheriff's outfit and sporting a beer gut just for effect, many animals suddenly developed a preference for meat (No more soy burgers for me, thanks.)
Creationists believe that man co-existed with dinosaurs, that Noah had dinosaurs on his apparently monumental ark (Noah drove em nuts at the Home Depot lumber department.) The creationist museums claim that those dinosaurs were veggiesaurs, even T-Rex and the raptors.
But wait! I'm confused about the time line here. How long was it between the ousting of A&E from Eden Acres, and the flood? Did it take a while before all the carnivores discovered that they were, uh, carnivores?
Creationists would all be utterly laughable if it weren't for their insidious brainwashing of children who will grow up believing this crap. And it is ludicrous crap! It is tantamount to child abuse. The children of radical fundamentalists will reach their majority effectively brain dead with no will to voice doubts, or to question anything. Doubts and questions are not allowed.
If possible, dominionists are even worse. For all their talk about the afterlife, they have an insatiable desire for power in earthly affairs. It is not about saving souls. It is about power. It is fascism in its purest form. Their vision of Jesus is not of a kindly, unassuming, slightly effeminate fellow in long flowing robes. It is rather an image of an "Abs of Steel," kick-ass, bad-ass wearing ammo belts across his chest, with a blazing machine gun in each hand, a mad glint in his eyes and an insidious smile upon his face. If the dominionists succeed just remember Samuel L. Jackson's line in Jurassic Park: "Hold onto your butts!" because you're likely to lose them.
Baritone
38 - Dave Nalle
MBD, why are you the only person on BC who needs to be held by the hand and led to publicly available documents which anyone with access to google can find on their own?
I refer you first to this article by Ron Paul in which he perpetuates a variety of christofascists historical revisionist lies.
I also refer you to another article from a Paul supporter who points out that Paul does have an established history of racist and theocratic statements.
Paul's got a lot going for him, but he does have a dark underbelly.
Now explain to me why you're incapable of looking any of this up on your own?
Dave
39 - MBD
Nallecon first said...
"I know for a fact that Ron Paul who didn't raise his hand is still extremely - even frighteningly - religious."
All this proves is that you frighten yourself.
Your referenced articles are a combination of his defense of what the Constitution says and a lot of innuendo and smears.
But that is what you live on.
40 - Zedd
sr
I really don't care about mistakes on blogs. I make a zillion of them. I am the queen of mistakes. There is one or five on every post I make.
I was actually giving Clav a jab. He is always quick to correct mistakes.
41 - Dave Nalle
MBD, you are remarkably impervious to reality. Believe whatever silly fantasies you want, you will anyway.
Dave
42 - MBD
Nallecon said earlier...
"I've supported Ron Paul for 20 years. I've even donated to his congressional campaigns…”
Now, those who support Ron Paul believe “in silly fantasies.”
It's interesting how the neocon chameleon changes his position.
But that is what chameleons do.
43 - SteveS
To be fair, I've supported Democrats my whole life, and frankly, I'm done with them now. Someone who believes at 40 or 50, what they believed at 20, hasn't grown any in life.
44 - MBD
SteveS.. “I've supported Democrats my whole life, and frankly, I'm done with them now.”
Nallecon… “I've supported Ron Paul for 20 years… But I can't support him for president.”
SteveS…do you support Democrats except those who run for president?
45 - SteveS
You don't make sense MBD and resort to attacks against me again. I don't even know who you are or what your beef is. My point is that people can change their mind.
No, I no longer support any Democrats since Pelosi and Reid decided to bend over and get fucked by Bush AFTER they were given control by voters to do something about the war.
:See another liberal here, Keith Olbermann, talk about how the Democrats have let us down.
I'm done with the party. I'm frustrated to hear that their (Edwards/Hillary/Obama, et. al.) solution to healthcare is more red tape. I'm frustrated to hear that DADT wasn't a mistake but is wrong. What does that mean? No, I'm done with those who won't commit to a damn thing without running it by a focus group first, and I've been a lifelong Democrat up till this point.
I'm going to check out the Green Party and the Libertarian party. Drastically different, I know, but the whole Republican and Democratic parties just need to be taken out with the trash. They suck.
46 - Baritone
Sorry, I must have been ranting in a vacuum.
47 - MBD
"You don't make sense MBD and resort to attacks against me again"
SteveS... Sorry you missed my point. It was not directed at you. I was pointing out the ludicrous claim made in the statement... "I've supported Ron Paul for 20 years... But I can't support him for president."
48 - Dr Dreadful
Dave's statement is perfectly reasonable, MBD. He simply doesn't feel that Paul is up to the job of President.
It's no more ludicrous than your supervisor saying to her boss that although you're fantastic at the job you do, she doesn't think you'd thrive in a management position.
Character assessment, not inconsistency.
49 - Dr Dreadful
SteveS sez: You don't make sense MBD and resort to attacks against me again.
MBD makes a point of attacking everyone, Steve, regardless of their opinion. Just yesterday on another thread he was gratuitously laying into Ruvy over his memories from 25 years ago of an event that happened 15 years before that.
50 - Dave Nalle
Thanks for trying to explain, Dr. D., but you're probably wasting your time. MBD's perspective is warped by his bizarre conviction that I'm a neocon, despite the fact that I've never endorsed their philosophy and have voted libertarian in every election in the 30 years I've been old enough to vote.
What MBD seems to be unable to grasp is that you can support a candidate for one office, but not for another, or that you might think that a policians skills are better suited to one role than another. Or the idea that someone is not of 'presidential calibre' but still well worth voting for as a legislator.
We need Ron Paul in the Congress to keep performing his role as its conscience. We need Ron Paul in the presidential primary campaign to keep bringing up the issues he promotes. We just don't need him losing in the final election and we certainly don't need him in the white house, hidebound by ideology and proving to be disastrous and doing damage to the libertarian movement within the GOP.
Dave
51 - daryl d
Why do Christians always feel they are being "mistreated" when they are the ones who preach Hitler like tactics against anybody who is Middle Eastern, gay, or doesn't believe with their extremely cult-like beliefs. Sorry, Christians, you have tried to run our lives and we are now fighting back.
52 - MBD
#49… “Just yesterday on another thread he was gratuitously laying into Ruvy over his memories from 25 years ago of an event that happened 15 years before that.”
LOL!
DD = Dumb Dreaming...
53 - MBD
Nallecon…
“I've… voted libertarian in every election in the 30 years I've been old enough to vote.”
That would mean nallecon voted for Ron Paul in the presidential election of 1988, when Ron Paul ran as a Libertarian.
Or is nallecon just bullshitting again?
54 - bliffle
Christians have been spoiled rotten by the deference that the MSM has traditionally shown out of fear of retribution. But all that is changed in the modern internet age. The MSM will lose their business regardless of their pusillanimous attitude, so they may as well be frank.
Hurts, doesn't it? To be so casually abused by strangers. We irreligious folk have had to put up with far more egregious slights and insults for many many years. Get used to it -it isn't going to get better.
Now we just have to get these phony politicians to quit claiming "faith" positions that we know are crap. We ALL know they are crap, religious and irreligious alike. It's just a pose to pay tribute to the sinister vindictive unprincipled religious lobby.
55 - Dr Dreadful
DD = Dumb Dreaming...
OK, if we're going to start with the personal insults (Mr Rose, please note this will be my one and only):
MBD = Mauled By Dave
...no, that doesn't quite do it. Try:
MBD = Messages Belong in a Dumpster
I thank you. I will be available for autographs after the show.
56 - MBD
I prefer Mangled Bullshitting Dave
57 - Dr Dreadful
So you were mangled while attempting to bullshit Dave? I'm sorry to hear that. Never mind - I hear they have a very good healthcare system in Cuba you might want to try. It's kept Castro alive for about 600 years so far so it must be some pretty hot shit.
58 - MBD
To DD a.k.a Dr Dyslexic
Read it again...
Mangled Bullshitting Dave
Get it now?
59 - zingzing
jesus christ. macho butt digger and doll dicker need to stop being so childish.
mmm.
60 - Dr Dreadful
Oh, come on, zing2, it's good to throw poop once in a while. Anyway, as I said above, I'm done now. MBD is just going to have to play with himself.
61 - MBD
Yeah... let's get back to Ron Paul and what he stands for...
I should have disregarded doll dicker's diatribes.
62 - Dave Nalle
That would mean nallecon voted for Ron Paul in the presidential election of 1988, when Ron Paul ran as a Libertarian.
I didn't just VOTE for him, I worked on his campaign and distributed literature and talked to voters on his behalf. I did this because at the time I had no realistic expectation that he'd get elected, so helping him get his message out was nothing but a positive. Plus he was running on a Libertarian platform which did not indulge his religious and nativist inclinations.
Dave
63 - MBD
"he was running on a Libertarian platform which did not indulge his religious and nativist inclinations."
LOL!
He's running on "religious and nativist inclinations" now?
64 - MCH
"I didn't just VOTE for him, I worked on his campaign and distributed literature and talked to voters on his behalf."
- Vox Nalle
Oohhh, OK....no wonder he lost....
65 - sr
sr for president. My platform, high heels and liberals get to suck free dick and eat spring rolls viewing naked pitures of Rosie and the Hilldabeast. Sure couldn't ask for anything more.
66 - Dr Dreadful
"sr for president"...
Time for we on Blogcritics to start a write-in campaign.
67 - sr
Hey Doc old boy, get started with that write-in campaign. You will be my vice president and Paris Hilton will be our secretary of state. Will even have Rosie as secretary of fat people. Sounds like a plan to me.
Sincerely,
President sr
68 - Dr Dreadful
I don't think you'd be happy with me as VP since you hate liberals.
Doesn't worry me though. I personally think all conservatives should go to the guillotine. Kindly step into this haycart and try to ignore the knitting peasant women. Courage, monsieur! It is a mercifully quick and painless death.
69 - Baritone
I'm fat and I don't want Rosie to be my secretary.
I'd rather have Catherine Zeta-Jones, thank you very much.
Baritone
70 - MCH
"sr for president. My platform, high heels and liberals get to suck free dick and eat spring rolls viewing naked pitures of Rosie and the Hilldabeast. Sure couldn't ask for anything more."
MCH for president. My platform, send all the chickenhawk conservatives to the front lines in Iraq.
71 - sr
It's hard to dislike you funneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey guys. Or is that funnnnnnnnnnny. I dont care if your conservative or a fool liberal. You make me laugh and that's always a good thing. Baritone how would you like fat Rosie tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. I will say no more. I care to be respectful of certain ladies on BC so I will shut my mouth. Maybe you should put that into practice you pigs.
72 - MBD
sr -- You will have my vote if your platform is putting into practice neocons getting you to suck their dick free.
Nallecon first.
No liberals.
Do that and you will have my vote.
73 - Dave Nalle
But, MBD. I'm a liberal, not a neocon. So how does that work again?
Dave
74 - Dr Dreadful
Dave, identifying yourself as a liberal to MBD will only encourage him. It's like throwing ham to a cat.
Or are you just going to stand back and enjoy the fireworks?!
75 - MBD
Nallecon says, "I've supported Ron Paul for 20 years. I've even donated to his congressional campaigns."
Now he's a liberal?
He's a chameleon.
But sr has my vote even if his platform includes sucking the dicks of neocon chameleons like Nallecon.