Virginia Tech, Iraq, Rio, Philippines, Afghanistan, Darfur and Somalia.... there's definitely too many people dying right now! Then there's the unacceptable fact that Iraq has two Virginia Tech-style attacks every single day. Unfortunately for mankind, with the aimless American war machine continuing, while elsewhere in the world there are reports such as that of the Taliban being accused of killing civilians and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad threatening his army will "cut off the hand" of any attacker, it doesn't appear that death and destruction is going to stop any time soon.
Primordial man fought and killed with sticks and stones, progressing through what has been considered his development to master the use of swords, bombs, guns and missiles. We have now developed to become an advanced civilisation but man continues to fight and kill in the inner cities of America and England, slaughter in the ghettos, projects, townships and favellas, and massacre on the streets of Iraq and Afghanistan.
As much as we try to fool ourselves, mankind today is no better than primordial man who fought and killed with sticks and stones. We just have better weaponry. Our culture of the gun was born with the Western civilisation and European domination that sucked the blood of the Third World at point blank range. As the “uncivilised world” was about to breathe its last breath we retreated, leaving our guns behind, allowing the indigenous people to continue the death and suffering on a daily basis. We thought we were far removed in our Western utopias until the War on terror forced us to adjust to the reality of violent death. Our armies and politicians have taught us to kill with the gun, our experiences have taught us to defend with the gun and popular culture has taught us to be cool with the gun. But we cannot blame it on Bush, Blair and Bin Laden alone, or on music, television and criminals, as it is the fault of us all and our acceptance of the culture of the gun.
Article comments
— go to most recent comments1 - Arch Conservative
GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE. ABORTION CLINICS DO!
2 - zingzing
ABORTION CLINICS DON'T KILL PEOPLE. ABORTION CLINIC BOMBERS DO!
3 - Dave Nalle
Posts don't kill braincells, comments from you two bozos do.
Dave
4 - zingzing
ahh, dave...
5 - Servant
People die.
Get over it.
Everyone else has too.
6 - Arch Conservative
"Posts don't kill braincells, comments from you too bozos do."
If you didn't just call me a bozo I wouldn't feel it necessary to say it's two not too Dave.
As for abortion clinic bombers killing people.......they would have to kill thousands more people to catch up with the amount of blood that Planned Parenthood has on it's hands.
7 - Arch Conservative
Are you honestly going to lump me in with zing Dave?
We're not even talking about abortion here....we're talking about partial birth abortion.
Do you buy into all the leftist propaganda about this ruling's intent being to take rights away from women Dave?
How can anyone reasonable person who has done at least a modest amount of research realize that this is in fact a viable human being and that it is very very seldom indeed a matter of performing this procedure as a last resort to save the mom's life.
Call me a bozo Dave but it would seem in poll after poll after poll that the vast majority of the American public finds this procedure just as disturbing as I do and is thankful for this ruling.
On this issue I am much, much more mainstream than the "abortion at all costs" crowd.
8 - Arch Conservative
That should be not realize
9 - Dave Nalle
Are you honestly going to lump me in with zing Dave?
Only in the sense that you both made equally stupid comments in all caps.
We're not even talking about abortion here....we're talking about partial birth abortion.
Yes, I agree that they're not the same thing.
Do you buy into all the leftist propaganda about this ruling's intent being to take rights away from women Dave?
I believe I commented at length on this on the other PBA thread. Not only is that propaganda a pile of crap, but IMO Ruth Bader Ginsberg is either lying or insane in her dissenting opinion. Based on that dissent she probably ought to be impeached.
How can anyone reasonable person who has done at least a modest amount of research realize that this is in fact a viable human being and that it is very very seldom indeed a matter of performing this procedure as a last resort to save the mom's life.
All true, but the REAL point here is that the leftists are claiming that the PBA law does not preserve the potential for PBAs when the mother's life is at stake, which is absolutely untrue. The bill makes that entirely clear. They are also claiming that it rules out similar procedures for early term pregnancies which is also absolutely untrue. Those claims which I'm hearing on the media over and over are bald-faced lies.
Call me a bozo Dave but it would seem in poll after poll after poll that the vast majority of the American public finds this procedure just as disturbing as I do and is thankful for this ruling.
Well sure. All abortion is distasteful, but while I believe that it's excusable in the early phases of pregnancy, murdering a viable person is unacceptable.
Dave
10 - zingzing
archie: Are you honestly going to lump me in with zing Dave?
dave: Only in the sense that you both made equally stupid comments in all caps.
well, it should seem obvious that mine was then a parody of his. do you think i would have made the statement, as such, without archie's being there first. i'm kind of confused as to what abortion has to do with the post anyway, having only skimmed it.
11 - Servant
Thus, the sweep of personal attacks begin. Can anyone in this blog write comments without insulting anyone? I mean, it is a little unprofessional.
And here I thought this article was about gun control. Surely that is a controversial enough topic without abortion being dragged into it.
Fact is, jamal, humans need more effective ways to kill people to compensate for our lovely public health problems. Unless you suggest a viable method for the resolution of an irreconcialable disagreement without armed conflict, this article is worthless. Unless, of course, we massacre our pre-born population.
12 - Zedd
Jamal
Great article.
The glamorization of guns in our society contributes to young kids in "the hood" who feel powerless, seeking them out. While crime in slums has always existed, the carnage without the guns would not be so extensive.
I don't know if people realise just how much urban crime supports the gun industry. The mere thought of Black and Hispanic Males has sold uncountable numbers of guns. As guns are stolen from homes and get into the hands of those who commit hold ups and other such crimes, the more people go out to purchase more guns for their "protection".
13 - Arch Conservative
"I mean, it is a little unprofessional."
Gee.. when I start getting paid to post on this site I'll start acting "professional." How's that?
14 - Anthony
I just want to point out some real facts. Why do we allow people to own guns in the US? Read the federalist papers and the works of our forefathers and you will see the answer is simple.
That being said: If guns kill people then pencils write words wrong.
I believe that we should have all the populace at 18 trained in proper use of firearms. In addition I believe that it should be required to carry a gun at all times. This will do several things. First it will nearly stop all petty crimes. A criminal is not going to rob a store when they know that everyone has a gun and knows how to use it. Second it will give people a greater awareness of the responsibility of such a firearm.
15 - Christopher Rose
Sure, let's just draft the entire population into the military too...
16 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Sure, let's just draft the entire population into the military too...
Chris, that is what is done in Switzerland (with men anyway), and to a lesser extent, here. It's not that bad an idea...
17 - Christopher Rose
So if it's men only, it's NOT the entire population is it? And not ALL men serve there either. Thanks for the utter pointlessness of your remark, Ruvy...
D'oh!
18 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
If I didn't have to deal with the pettifogging pickiness and pointless hairsplitting on Jewish lists, I'd accuse you of something. You display the same traits.
Being the big picture guy you are, you can't see that everybody needs to learn to handle a gun, but not EVERYBODY needs to be drafted into the military.
Ah huh - tell me another one...
19 - Christopher Rose
Ruvy, seeing as you can't even handle yourself in an online conversation without losing it or displaying mind-numbing conceit or rudeness - and you're not a complete moron - I shudder at the prospect of people even less thoughtful than you being armed.
20 - sr
Great comments Ruvy. Christopher you speak liberal well. One sheet of toilet paper for you dude.
21 - Arch Conservative
"Sure, let's just draft the entire population into the military too..."
Correct me if I'm wrong but you're a limey wanker who lives on the other side of the pond are you not Christopher?
So what is this let's bullshit.
Let's is short for let us. The topic pertained to gun control in America. You're not an American. You don't get to say let's. You're not allowed to use any other language that would lead one to believe you're an American in your participation in discussions pertaining to American issues.
You don't hear me saying shit like "let's all go smell the queens farts" or " let's all listen to what George Galloway has to say," do ya?
22 - sr
Arch, would rather smell the gueens farts then to stick my nose in fat rosies bung hole. Vomit city dude.
23 - zingzing
archie, you only talk like that to foreigners when they disagree with you.
i, for one, agree with chris (you know that)... and it's just an opinion of his. is he free to have opinions? on america?
is he free to have a say in english matters, even though he lives in spain? can you have an opinion on policy matters in california?
i think you know the answers.
24 - Arch Conservative
Zing I didn't say he didn't have the right to have opinions on America or American issues. You need to better your reading comprehension skills pal.
What I said was he shouldn't use language like "let's" that implies he himself is an American when he is not. It's a point worth making because he, unlike you and I does not live here and does not experience American culture and life every day like we do. He sits on the other side of the ocean and throws rocks and spits at us and then has the nerve to speak as if he were one of us.
25 - zingzing
everyone knows chris is european.
also, everyone knows he wasn't seriously calling for the conscription of every u.s. citizen.
also, you know that when he said "let's," he wasn't saying "let us americans."
and yes, everyone knows you shoot down foreign opinions on gun control using the "you're not american so you shut up" argument. it's not an argument. he can comment all he likes, and he can use whatever language he likes to comment when he chooses to.