Global warming, debating beyond the logic not the science.
Global warming! A raging issue that has become one of the signature issues representing the metaphorical and philosophical divide fracturing America. On both sides the groups have sectionalized themselves off into factions that would make James Madison roll over in his grave. In the left corner the scientists and the environmentalist, railing against – what they see as – the further desecration of the natural environment and humanities pollution laden march to imminent apocalypse. In the right corner the Evangelical Christian Right and a few other patches of the Republican Party claiming that the science behind global warming is false and polluting the atmosphere does…no damage….to the Earth.…
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276 - Jet
As the seas are warmer at winter because of the loss of most of the polar ice, the 1-5 degree temperature variance causes a high pressure zone over the poles pushing it southward more than it normally would... which is why we're getting more cold air pushed southward on us.
I wouldn't expect you to understand that living in Florida and all.
277 - Jet
from NASA
278 - Clavos
I wouldn't expect you to understand that living in Florida and all.
Cute Non Sequitur, Jet.
As a lifelong mariner, I have had an equally long and profound interest in meteorology, and have studied it quite a bit. This is one of the principal reasons I question the extent to which GW is anthropogenic.
Actually, Northern Hemisphere seas are colder, not warmer, during the Northern Hemisphere winter. This is true even here in Florida, where the ocean temperatures off Miami Beach drop from 80-86 in summer to 71-73 in january and February.
FYI, we are enjoying a cool snap right now, which is the dying last remnants of the Alberta Clipper which ravaged the Midwest a few days ago. This too, is a normal winter weather occurrence; the temperature today is in the very pleasant high sixties, enabling us to turn off the A/C and open the windows.
279 - Clavos
Where's your link to the NASA quote, Jet?
280 - Jet
Oh well of course Clavos, if I didn't include a link I must be lying. Your arogance knows no bound!
281 - Jet
Look it up yourself
282 - Dr Dreadful
Aren't global warming and ozone loss separate (albeit linked) phenomena?
283 - Jet
Thanks phantom linker! :)
284 - Phantom Linker
You're welcome.
285 - Jet
Equatorial Ozone traveling to and from the poles is directly effected by the temperature at the poles-as evidenced by less and less ice.
warmer temperatures create higher pressure pushing air masses farther south than usual resulting in less of it.
286 - Jet
Oh, I get what you're doing, you're trying to trick me into writing another science/astronomy article!
287 - Dr Dreadful
I love science/astronomy articles! You'd better hurry up though - after next week you won't feel like writing anything other than 'Aaaargh' for a while! :-)
288 - Dr Dreadful
Promise you'll give us an update as soon as you're able though.
289 - Jet
If you don't hear from me by say the end of February, assume the worst. That's not self pity, that realistic. They're not giving me very good odds, but if I survive they flattened me by predicting I'd be home in a matter of days not weeks!
290 - Jet
Warning to all, there are ways to build a muscular body... 10 years ago I chose the wrong one.
291 - Clavos
Re #280:
It's an interesting article, Jet, but nowhere does it attribute the movement of air masses to GW, much less to anthropogenic GW.
In fact, the article says only this:
A NASA researcher has found unusually high levels of protective upper atmospheric ozone in the Arctic as a result of a rare sudden warming during the early winter of 1998...
...Strahan said that it is important to keep in mind that even without ozone loss by PSCs, the amount of ozone in the Arctic stratosphere varies from year to year depending on the strength of the large-scale waves and the quantity of ozone they bring.
And Jet, you have a bad habit of jumping to conclusions about other people's meanings. I asked for the link, not because I thought you were lying about it, but because I wanted to read the entire article.
It is customary to link when quoting from another, online document.
One last point: between government agencies, I find NOAA's work in regard to the atmosphere and its related phenomena to be far more comprehensive and definitive than NASA's.
292 - Jet
Well of course you do Clavos, it agrees with you.
As for the article, I posted portions of it to confuse you into not realizing (as you constantly point out) that I have no idea what I'm talking about.
You silly
293 - Dr Dreadful
@ #289:
Since you'll have just had your ribcage sawed open and wired shut, I wouldn't be encouraging anyone to flatten you just yet!
@ #290:
Well, actually, there are three ways, but I presume you rejected the method which entails sticking lumps of Playdough on your arms and chest and passing them off as muscle as unworkable. Apart from anything else, they have a habit of falling off when you take a shower.
294 - Dr Dreadful
Sorry, I'm in a silly mood this afternoon. Hope I'm not not helping!
295 - Jet
Doc, my brother in law had the same proceedure and a week later the wire started poking through his skin,
(shudder) I don't even want to think about it.
You want to help? here's how you can help, don't make me laugh after this Friday.
Oh that was silly wasn't it? It's great that there are still some who care, that helps a lot.
296 - Andy Marsh
I take offense to the Hershey's chocolate remark doc. Bill and Ted? Really?
I liked Jessica, until she started hanging out with the cowgirl! Actually, it might have been better if she'd hung out with the cowgirls!
And as for all the atmospheric training some are trying to give in these comments here...think about this for a minute. The people you're trying to convince, me and a few others, have problems believing people with a lot more letters after their names than any of you, so why do you even try? If I don't believe the BS that Algore says, why the fuck would I believe any of you? I mean, I'm a fairly open minded guy...but bullshit is still bullshit!
I watched 3 local weather reports this morning and they were all different!
And Michael Strahan and Paul Newman are NOT meterologists! As a matter of fact, didn't Paul Newman just die? And Strahan retired last year after he won the Superbowl! Jeez!
297 - pablo
I thought I would share several quotes that I came across recently by some of the purveyors of the great Global Warming Hoax. Incidentally Al Gore of Blood & Gore LTD is looking more and more like the liar and globalist he really is in the latest Newsweek article about him.
"We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public's imagination... So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts... Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest."
- Prof. Stephen Schneider,
Stanford Professor of Climatology,
lead author of many IPCC reports
"We've got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy."
- Timothy Wirth,
President of the UN Foundation
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"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony... climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world."
- Christine Stewart,
former Canadian Minister of the Environment
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“The data doesn't matter. We're not basing our recommendations on the data. We're basing them on the climate models.”
- Prof. Chris Folland,
Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research
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“The models are convenient fictions that provide something very useful.”
- Dr David Frame,
climate modeler, Oxford University
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"I believe it is appropriate to have an 'over-representation' of the facts on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience."
- Al Gore,
Climate Change activist
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"It doesn't matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true."
- Paul Watson,
co-founder of Greenpeace
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"Unless we announce disasters no one will listen."
- Sir John Houghton,
first chairman of IPCC
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"The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe."
- emeritus professor Daniel Botkin
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"The climate crisis is not a political issue, it is a moral and spiritual challenge to all of humanity. It is also our greatest opportunity to lift Global Consciousness to a higher level."
- Al Gore,
Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech
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"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis..."
- David Rockefeller,
Club of Rome executive member
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"Humanity is sitting on a time bomb. If the vast majority of the world's scientists are right, we have just ten years to avert a major catastrophe that could send our entire planet's climate system into a tail-spin of epic destruction involving extreme weather, floods, droughts, epidemics and killer heat waves beyond anything we have ever experienced - a catastrophe of our own making."
- Al Gore,
An Inconvenient Truth
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"We are getting close to catastrophic tipping points, despite the fact that most people barely notice the warming yet."
- Dr James Hansen,
NASA researcher
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"By the end of this century climate change will reduce the human population to a few breeding pairs surviving near the Arctic."
- Sir James Lovelock,
Revenge of Gaia
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"Climate Change will result in a catastrophic global sea level rise of seven meters. That's bye-bye most of Bangladesh,
Netherlands, Florida and would make London the new Atlantis."
- Greenpeace International
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"This planet is on course for a catastrophe. The existence of Life itself is at stake."
- Dr Tim Flannery,
Principal Research Scientist
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"Coal makes us sick. Oil makes us sick. It's global warming. It's ruining our country. It's ruining our world."
- Harry Reid,
U.S. Senate majority leader
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"Climate Change is the greatest threat that human civilization has ever faced."
- Angela Merkel,
German Chancellor
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"Climate change is real. Not only is it real, it's here, and its effects are giving rise to a frighteningly new global phenomenon: the man-made natural disaster."
- Barack Obama,
US President
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"We simply must do everything we can in our power to slow down global warming before it is too late."
- Arnold Schwarzenegger,
Governor of California
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"Climate change should be seen as the greatest challenge to ever face mankind."
- Prince Charles
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"Climate change makes us all global citizens, we are truly all in this together."
- Gordon Brown,
British Prime Minister
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"We have reached the critical moment of decision on climate change. Failure to act to now would be deeply and unforgivably irresponsible. We urgently require a global environmental revolution."
- Tony Blair,
former British PM
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"We are close to a time when all of humankind will envision a global agenda that encompasses a kind of Global Marshall Plan to address the causes of poverty and suffering and environmental destruction all over the earth."
- Al Gore,
Earth in the Balance
Yes there is a debate on this issue, and the Chicken Littles of the world are starting to lose it.
And from the Wall Street Journal an article on the Copenhagen Treaty which is paving the way for The New World Order, just for you Clavos :).
Has Anyone Read the Copenhagen Agreement?
The rest of you sheople can now go back to sleep! baaa-baaaa.