Anthropogenic global warming has defied science and common sense for years. This classic political tour de force is about to be forced out.
It seems like anthropogenic global warming has been a hot topic forever, boiling away on the front burner of plant-fueled stoves everywhere. Proponents have long spoken of its existence as an established fact. Several years ago during an interview on the Today Show, Al Gore roasted the media for giving any print or airtime to contrary views. He continues that harangue today and it’s getting way beyond old. Mercifully, legitimate science should turn the lights out on this man-made drama by fall, when results from the CERN CLOUD experiment are expected to hit scientific journals. …
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76 - Dan
"So my statement stands. There is a link between cosmic rays and the natural variability of climate."---Dr. Dreadful #59
Yes, the "link" is called correlation. A thing that you very specifically said did not exist. So no, your statement, which I correctly pointed out was in error, does not stand at all.
Attempting to bluster your way through such an obvious truth is unfortunately, typical behavior for you.
"tuskeegee was obviously reprehensible"---zingzing
not at all. It was totally legitimate, research with nothing nefarious about it. Unfortunately, when ignorance and progressive propagandists get together to demonize white people, they most often succeed.
77 - Glenn Contrarian
Hey Dan - ask Texans if they think that global warming is such a myth now....
78 - Dr Dreadful
Yes, the "link" is called correlation.
Dan, whether you want to call it a link or a correlation, you're trying to attach more importance to this one than there is. In the sense, for example, that cat dander causes some small children to break out in a rash, there's a correlation between the two. But to say that all rashes in children are caused by cat dander would be false. So it's a correlation which is not, in the wider sense, relevant.
[The Tuskegee syphilis study] was totally legitimate, research with nothing nefarious about it.
Good God.
So if I found out you had terminal cancer, and had access to a cure, but rather than tell you about the cancer and/or administer the cure I decided instead to study you to see what symptoms the cancer produced and how long it took to kill you, that would be ethical in your book, would it?
79 - zingzing
dan: "[the research at tuskegee] was totally legitimate, research with nothing nefarious about it. Unfortunately, when ignorance and progressive propagandists get together to demonize white people, they most often succeed."
you're fucking sick, dan. either that or ignorant.
80 - zingzing
also, i wonder where cannonshop went on this...
81 - zingzing
and i think cannonshop still owes me a history of the conservative resistance towards that nasty liberal idea, the patriot act, and how they valiantly fought against its passage in 2002 and 2006.
82 - Dan
"Dan, whether you want to call it a link or a correlation, you're trying to attach more importance to this one than there is..."---Dr. Dreadful
Not at all. I haven't given any opinion on the importance of the correlation. I only commented on your being wrong to deny that there was any, as the paper you referenced as proof rather pointedly revealed.
"So if I found out you had terminal cancer, and had access to a cure, but rather than tell you about the cancer and/or administer the cure I decided instead to study you to see what symptoms the cancer produced and how long it took to kill you, that would be ethical in your book, would it?"---Dr. Dreadful
In your misguided analogy, you don't say you first infected me with the cancer. Whassa matter? Is that variant of the yarn a little too extreme for plausibility? It seems to play well at the Obamas' Chicago hate church.
Tuskegee propaganda is emblematic of the perversity that pervades historic white wickedness mythology. It is shit piled very high.
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"you're fucking sick, dan. either that or ignorant."---zingzing
Why not both? I've noticed you often house your silly, ineffectual insults in either/or terms. What gives? Surely you realize you don't need to cloak your personal attacks on me. The censor shares your inability for rational honest discourse. He's on your side!
"Hey Dan - ask Texans if they think that global warming is such a myth now."---Glenn Contrarian
OK... Hey Texans do you think global warming is a myth now?
Texans: "Na, we're used to Mexico. This is nice here."
83 - Dr Dreadful
In your misguided analogy, you don't say you first infected me with the cancer. Whassa matter? Is that variant of the yarn a little too extreme for plausibility?
That variant of the yarn happened in Guatemala, not Tuskegee, and it is your little set of strawmen who are misguided, not my analogy.
Way to avoid answering the question, though.
It seems to play well at the Obamas' Chicago hate church.
Who cares what they think? Possibly nobody other than you.
Tuskegee propaganda is emblematic of the perversity that pervades historic white wickedness mythology. It is shit piled very high.
Is there a Frommer's guide book to your strange world in which no white person ever did anything bad to any black person, and in which even in the unlikely event that they had wanted to, they were all too busy polishing their haloes?
Because the one I live in doesn't look like that.
84 - Jet Gardner
re: 77, hell with that Glenn ask the people in St. Louis or even Minneapolis!
85 - Jet Gardner
• Average temperatures have climbed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degree Celsius) around the world since 1880, much of this in recent decades, according to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.
• The rate of warming is increasing. The 20th century's last two decades were the hottest in 400 years and possibly the warmest for several millennia, according to a number of climate studies. And the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports that 11 of the past 12 years are among the dozen warmest since 1850.
• The Arctic is feeling the effects the most. Average temperatures in Alaska, western Canada, and eastern Russia have risen at twice the global average, according to the multinational Arctic Climate Impact Assessment report compiled between 2000 and 2004.
• Arctic ice is rapidly disappearing, and the region may have its first completely ice-free summer by 2040 or earlier. Polar bears and indigenous cultures are already suffering from the sea-ice loss.
• Glaciers and mountain snows are rapidly melting"for example, Montana's Glacier National Park now has only 27 glaciers, versus 150 in 1910. In the Northern Hemisphere, thaws also come a week earlier in spring and freezes begin a week later.
• Coral reefs, which are highly sensitive to small changes in water temperature, suffered the worst bleaching"or die-off in response to stress"ever recorded in 1998, with some areas seeing bleach rates of 70 percent. Experts expect these sorts of events to increase in frequency and intensity in the next 50 years as sea temperatures rise.
• An upsurge in the amount of extreme weather events, such as wildfires, heat waves, and strong tropical storms, is also attributed in part to climate change by some experts.
The report, based on the work of some 2,500 scientists in more than 130 countries, concluded that humans have caused all or most of the current planetary warming. Human-caused global warming is often called anthropogenic climate change.
86 - Jet Gardner
From the U.S. National Climatic Data Center:
2,712 high-temperature records were either tied or broken in July, compared with 1,444 last year, according to the NCDC.
At least one weather station in all 50 states set or tied a daily high temperature record at some point during July.
...The city of Morehead, Minnesota., had the dubious distinction as the hottest place on Earth for a day, said meteorologist Heidi Cullen of Climate Central.
On July 19, the heat index there " a measure of humidity and temperature that indicates how hot the weather feels " was 134 F (56.7 C).
87 - Jet Gardner
Dan's problem is easy to spot; Fox News and Rush Limbaugh aren't included on the following list that says essentially the same thing
• InterAcademy Council
• European Academy of Sciences and Arts
• International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
• Network of African Science Academies
• Royal Society of New Zealand
• Royal Society of the United Kingdom
• Polish Academy of Sciences
• National Research Council (US)
• American Association for the Advancement of Science
• American Chemical Society
• The American Chemical Society stated:
• American Institute of Physics
• American Physical Society
• Australian Institute of Physics
• European Physical Society
• European Science Foundation
• Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies
• American Geophysical Union
• European Federation of Geologists
• European Geosciences Union
• Geological Society of America
• Geological Society of Australia
• Geological Society of London
• International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
• National Association of Geoscience Teachers
• American Meteorological Society
• Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
• Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
• Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
• Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
• American Quaternary Association
• International Union for Quaternary Research
• American Institute of Biological Sciences
• American Society for Microbiology
• Australian Coral Reef Society
• Institute of Biology (UK)
• Society of American Foresters• American Astronomical Society
• American Statistical Association
• Engineers Australia (The Institution of Engineers Australia)
• International Association for Great Lakes Research
• Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
• Essentially they all say the same thing. Cimate research conducted in the past two decades definitively shows that rapid worldwide climate change occurred in the 20th century, and will likely continue to occur for decades to come. Although climates have varied dramatically since the earth was formed, few scientists question the role of humans in exacerbating recent climate change through the emission of greenhouse gases. The critical issue is no longer “if” climate change is occurring, but rather how to address its effects on wildlife and wildlife habitats.
The statement goes on to assert that “evidence is accumulating that wildlife and wildlife habitats have been and will continue to be significantly affected by ongoing large-scale rapid climate change.”
The statement concludes with a call for “reduction in anthropogenic (human-caused) sources of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions contributing to global climate change and the conservation of CO2- consuming photosynthesizers (i.e., plants).”
88 - Jet Gardner
...well... I'm glad that's settled
89 - Dr Dreadful
Early results of the Cloud experiment... not exactly what Sidney and Riley predicted with such confidence.
Incoming rationalization and cherry-picking expected imminently...
90 - Jordan Richardson
Here's an interesting article that links climate cycles with a lot of the recent civil unrest.
In part: "El Nino, a phenomenon that leads to droughts and hot weather some years, doubles the risk of civil war in 90 tropical countries."