Why don't we all just face it, the military draft is coming back. Signs of the impending draft include, S.S.S. reporting to Bush at the end of this month they are ready to go, the stocking of the draft boards and Bush signing off on plans to bomb Iran in June.
Not to mention they are so "thinly stretched" trying to come up with enough warm living bodies to turn into mangled flesh that they have sent over 100 senior citizens back to war.
It looks more and more sure the ugly war monster wants to drag your child away to become a universal soldier.
They want to take your innocent boys and maybe the girls too and turn them into torturers.
Growpeace our art and activism group has been out telling people how to protect their loved ones by becoming Conscientious Objectors. This seems to be the best route for a little peace of mind.
However, I have been talking with folks who lived through Vietnam and they have told me it is difficult to prove a CO case. No matter what, just keep appealing if they deny you. This means you need to start those CO files now and be sure to jump through whatever hoops the S.S.S. puts in front of you.
Mothers against the draft has sent a survey to congress to try to get answers about the coming draft.
I for one am not holding my breath. I am getting ready for the draft now.
Peace, Joy with Growpeace
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— go to most recent comments1 - Jason Leimer
The question is will Rangel's Bill with No Expemtions be in place when the draft occurs or just a straight out draft With Military service Im a diabetic and I should be expemted or 4 -F But if no one is expemted OH CANADA !
2 - Marc
It must be spring, the "moonbat buds" have morphed into full moonbat flowers.
And BTW you couldn't get past your first link (the military draft is coming back) before posting utter garbage. It notes two bills in congress (S. 89 and HR 163)that you apparently think support your position on the draft.
Sorry moonbat the House voted (Oct 2004)
402-2 to defeat the draft bill sponsored in 2003 by Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y.
But what the hell don't let a few facts get in the way.
3 - Eric Olsen
thanks and welcome Growpeace! We have recently been talking at some length about this very topic on two posts by Lisa Iannucci
4 - Dawn
I know how we can avoid the draft - send the child molestors instead - they can be used as human shields and keep the insurgents busy while our brave men and women get some much needed rest.
Seriously (although I am a kind of serious) I sure hope you are wrong about the draft. I can't imagine American going for that.
5 - Leoniceno
I think the draft is unlikely at this point, because it would be political suicide for Bush and anyone else who voted. Besides, the draft would make the war a total failure, because one of the main goals (now that all the others are discredited) is to create an Iraqi security force that will replace American troops.
To say that the draft is coming back is just hysteria.
6 - Richard Porter
Still more scare tactics from way over on the other side. Don't they realize that Bush cannot run again for President?
7 - David Flanagan
The chance of a new draft is exactly ZERO. Now, if I'm wrong, you can jump up and down and tell me you told me so to your heart's delight. But I'm not wrong.
Ironically, the only whispers even of a draft came from two Democrats who introduced seperate bills, both of which were killed overwhelmingly and decisively by both Republicans and Democrats. I think this is a secret fantasy of some groups who realize that, until a draft returns, the peace movement itself will never return to the prominence it once had during the late 60's and early 70's.
The anti-war protests this past weekend were said affairs mostly, and lightly attended. But a new draft would instantly revitalize the whole movement.
Too bad it will never happen. Even worse, the vast majority of Americans won't even take your argument seriously. Republicans won't let it happen because they all know that, if the draft were ever restored, Democrats would be back in power in the House, Sentate, and White House at the very next election cycle.
Thanks,
David
8 - Al Barger
Growpeace, if you want the adults to take you seriously, you're going to need FACTS, not just wingnut paranoia. You're just making this dumb shit up wholecloth.
9 - Eric Berlin
I don't think Growpeace is "making this up," Al, but perhaps is drawing conclusions from some thin and shaky sources.
On the draft: How about we all freak out and shake and rant and protest and rattle when it's actually announced? I'll be in the front of the parade.
Oh, by the way, Al: the conservative media does this kind of thing all the bloody time.
10 - Kristi
I do not think the public or congress will support a draft just to keep invading countries. We will need some sort of event to trigger acceptance in the minds of the public and congress. All it will take is another "terrorist" attack on U.S. soil and I think we will be all set for a draft. Fear will talk people into going along with just about anything, including a draft.
11 - Tristan
Conscientous Gerunds and Prepositions ~~~
there are many sites on the net where you can become an ordained minister---
which I do believe might lend a certain unarguable slant to your claim of being a CO ..................
12 - Dawn
Al, why is this post any dumber than your post about the Killers or U2?
13 - SFC Ski
Well, those wer posted in the music column, which only genereates heat when you post a "best of" list.
This guy is a classic example of Chicken Little runnning around yelling that the sky is falling.
14 - Tristan
Dawn---must you be so rude and attack anyone you don't agree with ???
15 - Dawn
Tristan, I have zero doubt that you are going to be dumb enough to get yourself banned.
And actually I was asking a very specific question, I don't think it was any ruder than Al's comment.
16 - Phillip Winn
Dawn, if Al's reviews contained demonstrably false statements, instead of just opinions or true statements, then they were stupid too. Something like "U2 are the bomb" is okay. Absolutely correct, even. "U2's first album was 1980's Boy" works too. But "U2's Bono regularly slaughters sheep onstage as part of an elaborate sexual ritual" is just dumb. As is most of this post. :-)
17 - Eric Berlin
Now, now, Phillip. That's how rumors get started... Bono is a goat man, and we all know it.
(I love that you felt the need to add the word "sexual" to your scenario... funny).
18 - Tristan
Dawn getting BANNED~~~~~~
if anyone has done anything malicious or mean & nasty to "deserve" being BANNED ---I think it's quite obvious that it's you Dawn; you are the one that is sitting there slapping up comment after comment on almost every posting bashing all the posters today and having nothing to cintribute in a positive manner related even somewhat obscurely to the subject mentioned in the Heading .....???
Any more bashing comments you want to spew forth with there Dawn ???
I'm sure it's quite obvious to everyone seeing your constant litany of malaise and nasty vituperative rankling, that you're in a pretty foul mood and just looking to stir up the pot and get rid of whatever that is under your skin that has you one pissed off person.
But that's just my individual humble opinion~~~
and since when was it a prerequisite to post on a blog that you "research your comment" before posting ...???
19 - Dave Nalle
I haven't bothered to read all the comments on this. Just reading the post itself was enough. There is not going to be a draft, there will never again be a peacetime draft in the US, the SSS is not doing anything different from what it has done every year since 1980, blah blah blah.
How can someone be as ignorant as Growpeace and even function in modern society? How can you post on a topic and basically know absolutely nothing about it? Well, I guess if you have a computer you can do whatever you want, but being able to string words together doesn't stop you from being a complete buffoon.
Dave
20 - Dawn
Okay, Phillip I guess you make a valid point - but I stand by my belief that both of those reviews contained statements that I found to be "dumb".
But that, I SUPPOSE, does not make the post dumb.
I apologize Al - your taste in music is still questionable though.
21 - Tristan
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa .......
does he really slaughter sheep on stage ..?????????
who gets the carcasses ????????
22 - Dave Nalle
>>Growpeace our art and activism group has been out telling people how to protect their loved ones by becoming Conscientious Objectors. This seems to be the best route for a little peace of mind.<<
There's so much useful and constructive you could do in the world, why are you wasting time on this, and why are you trying to drag other people into your utterly pointless organization to waste their precious time preparing for something which will never happen?
More to the point, what can make someone so totally delusional that they can ignore the reality of every draft bill being voted down by overwhelming majorities, the leadership of both parties stating unequivocally they will never support a draft, the military leadership insisting they do not want or need a draft, and the president clearly saying he won't support a draft?
It's almost as if you want there to be a draft so you can build your little cult-like organization, and are hoping that by scaring enough people with lies and half-truths you can ressurect the draft even though it is a completely and utterly dead issue even more politically unviable than returning the nation to the gold standard.
You're a loon.
Dave
23 - Phillip Winn
Eric B -- I first had it as "a religious ritual," but then thought that might be somewhat beyond the pale given Bono's outspoken Christian beliefs and my own. It honestly never occurred to me to actually excise the word without replacing it. :-)
24 - mike hollihan
"Art and activism." I think a lot of Dems are finally beginning to wake up to how hurtful this kind of "activism" is to their cause. Try reading some of the posts on this blog for one take.
The folks who keep bringing up these two bills also do their cause great harm. They were long ago debunked, thoroughly. Both were introduced in the run up to the Iraqi Invasion by Dems to try to up the ante against Bush on college campuses by rabble-rousing the students. (Note that both bills pointedly include the "women on the front lines" meme. Think Dems find that a positive winning issue? No. It was a jab at Republicans.) They failed.
But I really have great difficulty taking these knobs seriously when they don't even show the least ability to think realistically. If a draft is coming, then a whole lot of new troops will be entering the military.
Where will they be housed? New barracks will need to be built, along with new training facilities and new mess-halls, new everything. All of that takes planning and logistics. Where are the new plans?
They'll have to be built. So, where are the appropriations to pay for them? Where are the contracts to the construction companies that will build them? Where are the timetables and studies?
We'll need more uniforms, boots, helmets, backpacks, underwear, armor, vehicles, paperwork, etc., etc. Where are the contracts to buy all this? Where are the warehouses to store them?
It'll take a lot of food to feed them. Where are the contracts to buy more? The appropriations? The supply chains?
Long before a new draft comes into being, a lot of preparation will have to be completed to have somewhere to put them, and to house, clothe and feed them. They'll need a lot of new officers and non-coms to train them, too. When you see that start happening, then you can start to worry. When folks who are actually in the military, or have military pasts, start talking about preparations, then I'll begin to worry, not before.
I take dissent and protest seriously, but only when it comes from serious people. These cheeseheads of the squishy-brained left who wouldn't know the first thing about how a military works, or military thinking, or even real-world thinking, need to sit down and shut up.
Jeez.
25 - SFC Ski
Well done, Mike.