In the tradition of their 1948 decision on interracial marriage, the California Supreme Court has ruled for gay marriage rights.
As they did in 1948 when they struck down the state ban on interracial marriage twenty years ahead of the rest of the nation, the California Supreme Court today declared that it was a violation of basic civil rights to deny gay Californians the right to marry members of the same sex.…
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76 - Jet in Columbus
Well said Dave, I applaud and envy your patience... misguided as it is.
77 - Jet in Columbus
Make me an instrument of thy peace...
Where there is Hatred,
let me bring Love
Where there is Doubt, l
et me bring Faith
Where there is Despair,
let me bring Hope
Where there is Darkness,
let me bring Light
Where there is Sadness,
let me bring Joy
Oh Divine Master,
Grant that I may not so much
seek to be consoled,
as to Console
Grant that I may not so much
seek to be understood,
as to Understand
Grant that I may not so much
seek to be loved,
as to Love
For it is in Giving,
that we receive,
It is in Pardoning,
that we are forgiven,
And it is in Dying,
that we are born
into Eternal Life
Amen
78 - Zedd
Dave,
I thought you had a toddler.
You are not familiar with this story. SHE said she was raped. It wasn't consensual.
I know teens WELL. 14yr olds are naive and pretend to know what they are doing. They are CHILDREN. Only 14% of 15yr olds have engaged in sex. The number decreases dramatically for 14yr olds. Sexual behavior is actually decreasing in teens in general (for all ethnicities and economic groups).
Understanding that this is not the thread, I will say however that you didn't respond to my post. Would you then be fine with your daughter being raped by a 21yr old at the request of a 52yr old? The answer is NO Dave in case you were thinking about it. Uuuurg!
That girl said she was forced to marry and have sex with that 19yr old. SHE said she was raped repeatedly.
While the FLDS is a society, it exists with in the greater society. Just as the ghetto is a society of sorts, in many cases rampant with lawlessness, the laws of the land (or greater society) are applied to govern it.
Forcing those girls into sexual relationships is criminal and they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I say this as a woman, a mother of teen girls, as someone who has worked for years with children and teens and a decent citizen.
79 - Zedd
What's going on?
80 - Jet in Columbus
Zedd repeating it over and over and over ad nauswum will not make it any more true sweetie...
81 - Zedd
Jet,
The Lord supports raping 14yr olds?? Are you serious????
What is the real problem here?
I'm out. YIKES
82 - Zedd
STOP!
83 - Jet in Columbus
Mother, mother
There's too many of you crying
Brother, brother, brother
There's far too many of you dying
You know we've got to find a way
To bring some lovin' here today - Ya
Father, father
We don't need to escalate
You see, war is not the answer
For only love can conquer hate
You know we've got to find a way
To bring some lovin' here today
Picket lines and picket signs
Don't punish me with brutality
Talk to me, so you can see
Oh, what's going on
What's going on
Ya, what's going on
Ah, what's going on
In the mean time
Right on, baby
Right on
Right on
Father, father, everybody thinks we're wrong
Oh, but who are they to judge us
Simply because our hair is long
Oh, you know we've got to find a way
To bring some understanding here today
Oh
Picket lines and picket signs
Don't punish me with brutality
Talk to me
So you can see
What's going on
Ya, what's going on
Tell me what's going on
I'll tell you what's going on - Uh
Right on baby
Right on baby
84 - Jet in Columbus
STOP in the name of love... before you break my heart... think it o-woah-woahver
85 - Jet in Columbus
WJET-the sound of classic Motown, taking your requests on the air, that was a double play for a listener, and now back to the Hits!!!
86 - Dave Nalle
It only just dawned on me that Zedd is talking about the original Warren Jeffs conviction in Utah, not anything having to do with the FLDS case we're discussing here in Texas. The Jeffs case is different in that it's not a claim of statutory rape, but of actual forced rape. Nothing like that has been alleged in the Texas case. And BTW, the age of consent in Utah for married couples is 14, so the sex in that case was legal unless actual physical rape could be proven. In the case it came down to the word of the girl vs. the word of her ex-husband and the jury believed the girl. No other relevant evidence was presented.
Dave
87 - Jet in Columbus
Dave, while that has useful information in it, it still has nothing to do with the original subject.
Since Zedd has nothing intelligent to say about it, perhaps that's why she's continuously trying to change the subject????:??
88 - El Bicho
Only 14% of 15yr olds have engaged in sex. The number decreases dramatically for 14yr olds. Sexual behavior is actually decreasing in teens in general (for all ethnicities and economic groups).
And what are the statistics of 14- and 15-year-olds honestly responding to questions about their sex life? I am always curious where numbers like this and those attributed to drug use among teens comes from. Since they aren't 100%, they seem rather meaningless.
P.S. Jet, how about passing on the names of the singers and songwriters whose work fills your comments?
89 - Dave Nalle
I have a lot more faith in the anecdotal reports of sex and drugs among her peers which I get from my teen and her friends, and they would suggest rates of drug use and sex considerably higher than those numbers among private school kids and enormously higher among public school kids.
Dave
90 - Doug Hunter
What always confused me was the stat that teenage girls average 1-2 sex partner while teenage boys have 3-5. Made me wonder who exactly the boys 'partners' were. I suspect they might be counting the one on the end of each arm.
91 - Douglas Mays
Cindy, where are you? Let's get this thread back on track!!
Let me look in my fanny pack. I should have buttplugs and Striesand tickets.
92 - Jet in Columbus
El Bicho, sorry I keep forgetting how old I am, I just assumed everyone knew Marvin Gaye and the Supremes...
93 - Jet in Columbus
Marvin Gaye's "What's goin' on" is in response to #83 and The Supreme's "Stop in the name of love" is in response to #82
... by the way Stop In the Name of Love has been stuck in my head since last night and even Led Zepplin can't seem to exosize it...
94 - Dr Dreadful
Doug: What always confused me was the stat that teenage girls average 1-2 sex partner while teenage boys have 3-5. Made me wonder who exactly the boys 'partners' were.
Remember that the teenagers' partners would not necessarily be other teenagers.
It should also be borne in mind that teenage boys are more likely to embellish their sexual experiences when asked about them.
95 - Jim In Hayward, CA
Well, I am a Christian. Jesus loves me (this I know!). HE does not discriminate. HE does not believe I am in Sin because HE made me. Only Religious Zealots (Jesus is not religion, HE is God!) believe I am sin. The Bible is the word of God AS Interpreted by the Reader...Not by a group of people that would have their way.
God Love Me and my husband. Government is FREE from the 'Church' (Church is a group of people that can communicate and understand each other, NOT a group the FORCES 'followers' to accept their way!).
Don't like it? Move to Iran! Gays WILL Marry with the same rights in the goverments eyes. Funny how many Priests, chaplins, spiritualists, etc. will 'Marry' because they get money. Wonder what your REAL God is?!? Mine is Jesus and HE Loves Me and Mine!
96 - Chad
I think its great but I wonder if the same laws apply for a regular marriage apply?
18-over
adoption and things like that?