Double Standards On Racism? - Comments Page 2

I find it fascinating that some blacks aren't defended by the civil rights establishment or other advocacy groups if they do not happen to hew to a designated set of political positions, as if taking political positions outside of this designated dogma somehow renders them fair game for racism. It's rather astonishing and breathtakingly hypocritical, as pointed out by Project 21, "the national leadership network of conservative African-Americans":
    Over the past few months, and peaking this week with her appointment, cartoonists have been using Dr. Rice's race as a point of ridicule. Demeaning political cartoons by Pat Oliphant and Jeff Danziger accentuate Dr. Rice's black features and feature her speaking in rural southern dialect. Garry Trudeau called her "Brown Sugar" in his "Doonesbury" comic strip. Earlier this year, cartoonist Ted Rall questioned Dr. Rice's race in a comic suggesting she was President Bush's "house nigga" and needed "racial re-education."…
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  • 26 - andy marsh

    Nov 23, 2004 at 11:31 am

    I would think the bigger issue here is not who Eric referenced in his piece but the blatant racist remarks and editorial cartoons towards Dr. Rice and Gen Powell!

  • 27 - RJ

    Nov 23, 2004 at 11:35 am

    "Furthermore, someone who thinks that quoting from a press release by Project 21 is superior 'research' to tracing its money trail is completely out of his depth. He might as well go spin some records or something."

    I guess you're saying Eric is too stupid to grasp your point, and he should go back to playing music?

  • 28 - RJ

    Nov 23, 2004 at 11:39 am

    According to Dictionary.com:

    bitch: noun - "A woman considered to be spiteful or overbearing."

    ass: noun - "A vain, self-important, silly, or aggressively stupid person."

    Do ya'll know anyone who these terms might be applicable to? :)

  • 29 - Mac Diva

    Nov 23, 2004 at 11:41 am

    Comment 26: But much more abusive remarks by the person hypocritically whinnying there should be ignored, eh? Beat up poor Sylvester. Buy a Neandertal who refers to women as 'bitch,' and 'ass' a drink. There is a double standard alright, but it is not coming from "liberals."

  • 30 - andy marsh

    Nov 23, 2004 at 11:42 am

    RJ - I like that site...dictionary.com...I've found it to be very useful in the past! theasurus.com is also pretty useful!

  • 31 - Mac Diva

    Nov 23, 2004 at 11:43 am

    RJ Elliott.

  • 32 - andy marsh

    Nov 23, 2004 at 11:44 am

    did somebody say free drinks???

  • 33 - Eric Olsen

    Nov 23, 2004 at 11:47 am

    And we know they are "toys" - and I assume therefore dismissable on every level and beneath contempt - how exactly? Who determines toy-ism?

    Would these legitimate black conservatives you may even know approve of these instances of racism against other, apparently illegitimate, black conservatives? Another interesting sidenote - Powell isn't even "conservative" - he's about as moderate as it gets.

    There was no "research" involved in quoting a press release, nor did I claim there to be. I received a press release that struck me as addressing an important and interesting subject involving what I see as hypocrisy and double-standards perpetuated by black and white hard-liberals alike when it comes to treatment of conservative, moderate and-or Republican blacks. So I addressed it.

    I have heard not a single syllable that leads me to think otherwise since, not even being called a "disc jockey."

    My degrees in political science and philosophy, minors in East Asian studies and religion, graduate work in the humanities, 25 years as a journalist, critic, author, radio and TV commentator, 20 years as a parent, 46 years of living on earth, are ALL rendered immaterial by the fact that I have spent some of my time DJing at parties, clubs, and on the radio.

    Dammit, found out and put in my place again!! When will I learn to shut the hell up about anything other than "spinning records"?

  • 34 - P6

    Nov 23, 2004 at 12:11 pm

    Okay, how about I go away until conversation starts again?

  • 35 - jadester

    Nov 23, 2004 at 12:54 pm

    er...just on the ponit of caricatures again, Eric, check out this definition from (funnily enough) dictionary.com:
    "A representation, especially pictorial or literary, in which the subject's distinctive features or peculiarities are deliberately exaggerated to produce a comic or grotesque effect"
    i would figure that, therefore, of course you can expect to see "racial" features present in a caricature of a coloured person. Exactly as you would in a caricature of a white person. Or a martian. Or a cat. That's the point of caricatures, they exaggerate identifiable features, most often to the ponit of absurdity. And i say again, i bet you've never complained about caricatures of white politicans.
    Sure, caricatures are almost universally mean about their subjects, but if you're gonna complain about one you should complain about them all.

  • 36 - Eric Olsen

    Nov 23, 2004 at 1:19 pm

    jadester, this is a good general point, but I am most concerned about Rall's characterization of Rice as Bush's "house nigga," Sylvester calling her "Aunt Jemima" and Powell "Uncle Tom," and the apparent acceptance of this from the civil rights leadership (thanks for the update Andy, will include that info) and left in general about this

  • 37 - Peter Duncan

    Nov 23, 2004 at 2:05 pm

    Why can't we just address the fact or the issue. This isn't about what Mac or Eric or Andy or does on a personal level. It's about what constitutes racism and why some orgs are silent when they should be calling the racism out. Now do you think that Eric's blog (not eric himself) has merit or not.

  • 38 - Mac Diva

    Nov 23, 2004 at 2:18 pm

    Good point, Jade. I have generous lips. If someone were to caricature me and not make my lips delectable, I would wonder what was wrong with the cartoonist.

    Peter, Eric's claim in the blog entry is pretty baseless. The main peopel crying crocodile tears over 'racism' against Rice and Powell are white conservatives. Particularly offensive is that Eric wrote it to try to portray himself as a protector of blacks. (The more distant and not in need of protection the blacks are the better, apparently.) Meanwhile, nearly every person of color who has participated in Blogcritics has left because Eric allows his coterie of Right Wing white men to abuse us. He is about as qualified to present himself as a protector of people of color as he is to sprout wings and fly.

  • 39 - Eric Olsen

    Nov 23, 2004 at 2:33 pm

    all I will say to this latest nonsense is that I will ignore it just as I ignore the almost daily calls for your ouster from the group

  • 40 - Jon Sobel

    Nov 23, 2004 at 2:42 pm

    I just checked out the Project 21 website. Its tone, at least, supports Mac Diva's claim that it's a "front," in the sense of being a right-wing propaganda machine aimed at black Americans rather than an organization specifically concerned with the well-being of African-Americans. Get this: they put out a press release about a website run by one of their members which "details ties between Saddam Hussein and terrorism" with, at the bottom, a description of themselves as a "nonpartisan organization." I'll skip making the usual criticisms of such propaganda and merely ask, What the hell does that subject have to do with black people, white people, or any color people?

    Their stated mission is to "promote the views of African-Americans whose entrepreneurial spirit, dedication to family and commitment to individual responsibility has not traditionally been echoed by the nation's civil rights establishment." I'd like to know in what sense the civil rights establishment has not echoed these things. They think the civil rights movement was about anti-family and pro-welfare state? Is that what they're saying? Pretty darn partisan (and disingenuous) if you ask me.

  • 41 - Mac Diva

    Nov 23, 2004 at 3:03 pm

    John, those of us in the know have been keeping tabs on Project 21 for years. Here is a good summary of what it is -- a front group owned and operated by the far Right whites. The fellow who runs the website, who is white, of course, often seems clueless. I don't believe he has any idea of what to say to real people of color.

    I have written at least a half-dozen blog entries about Project 21 and another front group. Prior to this controversy, they were involved in an ad campaign attacking black fathers. I haven't even gotten around to blogging Project 21's ties to the tobacco industry. 'Misleading' barely describes what it is.

  • 42 - Eric Olsen

    Nov 23, 2004 at 3:22 pm

    Interesting article and there is doubtless some truth to it, although I would hardly call an article in Alternet written by a college student and editor of USC's "fiercely progressive voice of reason" "unbiased" - would you? It will color my response to Project 21 press releases.

    However, I never held up Project 21 as an authoritative source on anything, I received a press release from them that brought up very salient points that have only now been partially addressed with the apology from Sylvester for calling blacks, ANY blacks, Uncle Tom and Aunt Jemima.

    I gave my own opinions, which still stand: racism is racism regardless if the target is liberal, conservative, middle, or apolitical.

  • 43 - Mac Diva

    Nov 23, 2004 at 3:43 pm

    . . .unless it is coming from "good-natured" Andy Marsh. Then, it is to be applauded.

  • 44 - P6

    Nov 23, 2004 at 3:47 pm

    I gave my own opinions, which still stand: racism is racism regardless if the target is liberal, conservative, middle, or apolitical.

    That's fine.

    Now, why is it Black people's job to address it? It's not Black people doing it, it's not Black people's reputation at risk like when Harry Belafonte went there (and ALL the 'respectable' organizations tripped over each other separating themselves from that).

    You accuse them of not doing white people's job. And by now the NAACP is cowed enough to apologize.

    Damn shame.

  • 45 - andy marsh

    Nov 23, 2004 at 3:49 pm

    and what racist comment have I made??? Can you point to ONE??? Just one! Come on, surely you can come up with ONE comment I made that was racist!

    That's what I thought, as usual, mac diva attempts to blow smoke up peoples asses again!

  • 46 - andy marsh

    Nov 23, 2004 at 3:55 pm

    I would say that the most blatantly racist comment I've seen today was on another thread.

    The one that said " I do not consider the term 'Aunt Jemima' racist if it is used appropriately."

    That is a racist statement. Made by mac diva. You could replace aunt jemima with any other racial slur and it would sound just as ugly.

    Is it supposed to be any less ugly coming from you???

    You are by far the biggest hypocrite I've ever had the displeasure of reading.

  • 47 - Eric Olsen

    Nov 23, 2004 at 3:57 pm

    I believe Andy is basically good-natured and has demonstrated as much toward virtually everyone else he has addressed on this site, including those with whom he disagrees.

    He allowed you to get to him and he said things he shouldn't have, which were DELETED and for which HE APOLOGIZED.

    You have ignored his apology and repeated the words with a persistence that borders on the autistic ever since.

    As we have gone over ad nauseum, you started it with him at his very first appearance, dismissing him as having nothing whatsoever to add to the conversation, telling him to shut up and go away. He did not take it very well - who would?

    An independent observer would not be insane to conclude that you have a persecution complex, which you then smokescreen with charges of racism.

    What is particularly unfortunate is that there are real incidents of racism, the ghosts of institutional racism still haunt the nation in many REAL forms, and when the term is bandied about casually, it makes it much easier for those inclined to downplay or ignore these real incidents or ramifications.

  • 48 - Mac Diva

    Nov 23, 2004 at 3:57 pm

    'Bitch' and 'ass' qualify as both racist and misogynist when targeted toward a woman of color. Perhaps Eric should applaud Andy Marsh as "good-natured" twice for having used them.

  • 49 - andy marsh

    Nov 23, 2004 at 4:04 pm

    I believe when I used them, I actually didn't even know you were a woman of color...and I've never used them to signify any color, just attitude. I don't think I ever called you an ass. You may have me mistaken for the myriad others that have...As Eric pointed out, I did use the other term to describe you...I later apologized for it, obviously you missed that post...or just chose to ignore it as you do MOST OF THE FACTS that any one might present against any opinion you have.

  • 50 - Deroy Murdock

    Nov 23, 2004 at 5:28 pm

    I am amazed at the bizarre charges being hurled against Project 21. As a black libertarian commentator, I have worked with Project 21 for years. Since 1985, I have known Amy and David Ridenour, the directors of Project 21's parent organization, the National Center for Public Policy Research. In all this time, the Ridenours, Project 21 coordinator David Almasi, and others involved in this non-profit have treated me with nothing but dignity, respect, and friendship. I have encountered nothing even remotely related to eugenics, white supremacy, or anything that could be confused for that.

    In fact, the entire enterprise is dedicated to the idea that black Americans should be free to think for ourselves and should be liberated from the oppressive notion that being black means one must be a liberal statist.

    Free-market ideas, entrepreneurship, and limited government offer black Americans an alternative to the big-government "solutions" that have failed us for decades (e.g. disastrous government schools, anti-business red tape, collapsing public housing, etc.).

    As for the idea that those of us who work with Project 21 have "sold out," I have one simple question: Where is my check? Project 21 does a great job of booking me for radio and TV appearances. I don't believe even one of those engagements has earned me one thin dime.

    Those of us black conservatives and libertarians who work with Project 21 do so because we share a belief in individual freedom, personal responsibility, limited government, free enterprise, and peace through strength. We do not get paid for this.

    How many black folks would sit around to be mocked by white supremacists for free?

    Those who criticize us should drop the childish hysterics and simply accept the fact that we are free men and women, black Americans all, and we will not stop thinking for ourselves.

    The cottton plantations were liberated in 1863. When will the masters of the liberal plantation let center-right black Americans walk away in freedom?

    Deroy Murdock
    Syndicated columnist,
    Scripps Howard News Service
    New York City

  • 51 - Eric Olsen

    Nov 23, 2004 at 6:03 pm

    Thank you very much for your input Deroy, very sensible and much appreciated.

  • 52 - Mac Diva

    Nov 23, 2004 at 6:51 pm

    Anyone who follows the money trail and looks at the stances Project 21 takes can tell that it is a front group funded and controlled by white conservatives (the 'friends' Delroy Murdock refers to). The day being a puppet becomes 'freedom' will be a strange one, indeed. Case closed.

  • 53 - P6

    Nov 23, 2004 at 7:34 pm

    Mr. Murdock:

    You were doing so well until you lapsed into empty rhetoric at the end.

    You're not getting paid, you're getting played. You don't get paid, but your director does.



    Behind the rhetoric: Bush is bad for Blacks
    By Dara Purvis | RAW STORY COLUMNIST

    …This bizarre belief that blacks are being led around by white liberals saw its flip side in one of the funniest moments C-SPAN ever has aired, when a representative from Project 21 (an organization of black conservatives) came to defend the group against charges that it was a front for the same old white conservatives that normally espouse opposition to affirmative action and other socially conservative views. This accusation is bolstered by the fact that Project 21 is a subsidiary of the National Center for Public Policy Research, an association of those same old white conservatives formed at the height of Reagan-mania. The clear and concrete link between the NCPPR and the very creation of Project 21 led prominent blacks like Kweisi Mfume, president of the NAACP, to say that the group is a "make-believe black organization."

    The key to the hilarity of the interview was due to a simple traffic mishap: The representative who was scheduled to appear got a flat tire on the freeway on his way to the C-SPAN studios. So Project 21's director had to fill in.

    Project 21's director is, in perfect irony, white.

    Robb Harlston, the host of the show, barely clung to his professional demeanor as he issued what is now my favorite introduction to an interview of all time: "The director of Project 21, a program for conservative African-Americans … you're not African-American?"

    The director, David Almasi, immediately issued a stream of defensive remarks that only added to the surreal humor. First he explained the tire blowout, and said he called another member of the group trying to get someone else to appear, but nobody was available (guess the flat and the one phone call exhausted the ranks of conservative blacks in the metropolitan Washington, D.C., area). Then he gave a tortured explanation that he was only an employee of the group; he took his marching orders from all of these mysterious black conservatives suffering from flat tires and broken phone lines. He didn't actually "direct" the organization; he was just the director. (As a bonus, this means that the difference between the group of black conservatives and the white guy working for the group of black conservatives is that the white guy gets paid to do it. You really have to love that as an affirmative defense!)[P6: emphasis added] Frankly, it was the best real-world re-enactment of "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain " I am the BLACK CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT!" that I've ever seen.

    Luckily, such chimeras of black Republicanism don't seem to be having any effect on the larger community. A recent poll by BET and CBS news showed that support for John Kerry is almost at the same level as support for Al Gore in 2000. And despite what Bush and other Republicans would have you believe, blacks are not being led astray by white liberals " the views of black Democrats on most issues are generally in line with those of the Democratic Party. Nine out of 10 (roughly the proportion of blacks that voted for Gore in 2000) believe that the country is headed in the wrong direction, and that the Iraq war was a mistake. The same poll found that black voters, much like white voters, consider jobs and the economy to be "the most important issue," followed by education, health care and the war in Iraq.

    Furthermore, there was a slight increase in the percentage of those surveyed planning to vote in November over August 2000.

    In short, Bush is wrong to ask blacks what the Democratic Party has "done for them lately," to borrow a phrase from Janet Jackson, a black woman who recently raised the ire of social conservatives for another reason. Blacks do not vote for Democrats simply because Democrats (unlike Bush) work to create a more racially just society " although that is most certainly one of the reasons. Blacks vote for Democrats because the Democratic program reflects their views on almost all issues: the economy, health care, education, social programs, the justice system, and every other plank in the party platform. Issues that might engage blacks more strongly are not carrots to be dangled to entice black voters toward the grand old elephant waiting to stomp on them; they are integral parts of a larger Democratic philosophy that favors inclusion over divisiveness, fair treatment over prejudice, and one society versus the haves trumping the have-nots.

  • 54 - Mac Diva

    Nov 23, 2004 at 7:44 pm

    In the interest of being thorough, he can be read further:

    •At -- you guessed it -- Free Republic. How dare Ted Kennedy question Bush
    in regard to WMD? Here.

    •Daring Delroy lobbies for a flat tax and liberation from Marxism in the U.S.A.

    Prometheus 6 has been on to Delroy for a while.

    I would direct you to more, but there isn't much to choose from. For someone who claims to be a syndicated columnist, Murdock appears to have published very little.

  • 55 - andy marsh

    Nov 23, 2004 at 8:10 pm

    I don't want to get in a fight here, but when I clicked on the link you gave for Murdock there is a spot on the page right across from his name that says author archive and there are, it would appear to be, a few hundred articles there.

  • 56 - P6

    Nov 23, 2004 at 8:42 pm

    Aw, damn, there's typos in that post.

  • 57 - Joe

    Nov 23, 2004 at 9:28 pm

    It might help in your google search if you spelled his name right, dimwit.

  • 58 - boomcrashbaby

    Nov 23, 2004 at 10:09 pm

    Mr. Murdock says:
    we share a belief in individual freedom, personal responsibility, limited government, free enterprise, and peace through strength.

    That's interesting. Switch out the last one with humanitarianism and those are the values that make me a progressive!
    Individual freedom: woman's right to choose, keeping government out of the bedroom, etc.
    Personal responsibility: leaving this planet liveable for our children, no driving gas hogs, speaking out and fighting corporate pollution, not snubbing our noses at those less fortunate, but being a responsible good samaritan and giving a helping hand so that they can then begin their own personal responsibility, etc.
    Limited government: see individual freedom. Also opposed to government pandering to big business at the expense of the citizen.
    Free enterprise: I love capitalism, which is why the government needs to ensure there are no monopolies (I consider Microsoft such) or mega-monoliths, (I consider Wal-Mart such) which do more harm than good.
    Peace through strength: I don't believe in this one, that's why I'm not a conservative. I don't believe that being perceived as a big bully to intimidate is the way to achieve peace. It certainly hasn't worked for us in the Middle East. Replace this value with humanitarism, helping those down and out, being considerate and listening to other people/nations, and you've got one heck of a progressive!

  • 59 - boomcrashbaby

    Nov 23, 2004 at 10:12 pm

    oh yeah, and I subscribe to those moral values of that liberal Jesus.

  • 60 - cur3t

    Nov 23, 2004 at 10:27 pm

    comment #22:

    "...since i have never kicked anyone out of blogcritics for content violations, except for the two-week suspension of one individual for call YOU a vulgar name..."

    eric...you do consider yourself a truthful person, don't you?

  • 61 - Mac Diva

    Nov 23, 2004 at 11:14 pm

    Wee One, when someone tells me he is a syndicated columnist, I look in newspapers and magazines. That is what the term generally means. Puff pieces in a Right Wing opinion rag don't count. Except for that sort of thing, Murdock is practically unpublished. He appears have been a lap dog of white reactionaries since being weaned. Hardly evidence of me being dim. Nor is it my fault that his Mama couldn't spell, or, that you are so small. Now run off and hide under your bed.

    Greetings, Curt. Good point. I can think of three myself.

    Steve (Boom), it has been quite a day. Eric's example of a person who represents African-American political thought is amusing, though. Allegations of Marxism in the U.S. Advocacy of a flat tax. Love of any white person who bears a passing resemblance to Simon Legree. Yup. That's where the brothers and sisters are coming from alright. I wonder where De[l]roy's family kept the inherited family wealth he is so intent on protecting from taxation -- in a hole under the straw mat in the slave cabin? At least when I took Family Wealth in law school, I knew it had nothing to do with me, personally.

  • 62 - Joe

    Nov 23, 2004 at 11:19 pm

    Ah yes, like all the work in papers and magazines attributed to Mac Diva. Ta-ta anonymous troll!

  • 63 - born

    Nov 23, 2004 at 11:26 pm

    i dont want to say anything at all, because im scared that somehow someone will become offended and declare me a racist...
    i like poop
    is there anything in that which u can make into a rascial statement?

  • 64 - Mac Diva

    Nov 23, 2004 at 11:30 pm

    You forgot books.

    Enjoy the dust bunnies under your bed, Wee One.

  • 65 - boomcrashbaby

    Nov 23, 2004 at 11:32 pm

    Hi Mac Diva, I don't want to get in between anything between you and Eric. Both of you have been very good to me. I don't know Deroy's history, nor do I care to, I just wanted to comment on the values of liberalism that he supports as reasoning to be conservative.

    I did enjoy seeing your discussion on the BBC awhile back, don't know if I ever mentioned it.

  • 66 - Mac Diva

    Nov 24, 2004 at 12:45 am

    Oh, Eric is just being himself. He posted this entry without doing any research. Relied on a press release from Project 21. I've written about a half-dozen pieces on Project 21 over a two-year period. I know as much about it as just about anyone does. But, that won't do. The disc jockey must be right -- even when he is wrong. This is just like his blunder with saying Kerry is too patrician to know what 'got your back' means. (Which incidentally, I did not participate in because enough people were correcting Eric already, and, I don't believe in piling on.) Anyway, the bottom line is that Project 21 is a phony 'black' political opinion group run by white conservatives. You will not find any body more out of touch with African-American political opinion.

    The Log Cabin Republicans on the other hand, though opportunistic, are at least real.

  • 67 - Joe

    Nov 24, 2004 at 12:54 am

    Well, come to think of it I did see a book about folks that never amount to much that create elaborate imaginary personas for themselves to compensate for the fact. Is that your biography?

  • 68 - Mac Diva

    Nov 24, 2004 at 1:58 am

    Something else amusing from Project 21. Prior to the election, they sent out press releases saying, in advance, claims of suppression of African-American voters were false.

    An intro from Angie Winters:

    First, the African American conservative group Project 21, is inserting themselves into the Florida Bad MoJo Mix. The group is suggesting that the claims of voter suppression are not valid. This is suspect, considering the many different groups who are making the claims and the fact that Florida's own government has admitted to making 'errors' in the process.




    To: National Desk, Political Reporter

    Contact: David Almasi of Project 21

    WASHINGTON, Sept. 17 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights will hold a briefing September 17 on the potential for voter disfranchisement in the 2004 general election.

    Project 21 members charge liberal groups are raising the specter of voter suppression in friendly venues such as the Commission to taint the election before it happens. This in itself may keep some voters away from the polls. Furthermore, it creates a climate where these critics can more easily challenge the integrity of the election if they do not approve of the results, even if such charges are groundless.

    "It's a smear-and-fear campaign," says Project 21 member Kevin Martin. "The same forces we saw in 2000 - those speaking of a concerted effort to disfranchise minorities - are once again making ridiculous allegations to make up for their lack of substance. They speak of voter suppression and intimidation, but they say nothing about the lax voter registration and identification rules that could lead to voter fraud."

    In August, the NAACP and People for the American Way released a report alleging an increase in efforts to intimidate and keep minority voters from the polls. Although both groups are non- profit, and therefore barred by IRS rules from engaging in partisan politics, NAACP Chairman Julian Bond pointedly said these tactics "have increasingly become the province of the Republican Party." Republican Party chairman Ed Gillespie offered to help create bipartisan "teams" to ensure fairness at the polls, but his suggestion was rebuffed by Democratic chairman Terry McAuliffe.

    The U.S. Civil Rights Commission, which is scheduled to hold the Friday briefing, issued a highly-critical and highly- criticized report on the 2000 voting in Florida. Project 21 member Peter Kirsanow, who now serves on the Commission, wrote about on the report in a 2003 essay posted on National Review Online: "The myth of a nefarious plot to thwart black voters from casting ballots is wholly unsupported by the evidence. Inconvenience, bureaucratic errors and inefficiencies were indeed pervasive. But these problems don't rise to the level of invidious discrimination... The consequences of generating suspicion of the electoral process for the sake of partisan advantage are at once insidious and profound. They dangerously undermine the legitimacy of government and encourage rejection of its authority."

    Project 21, a nonprofit and nonpartisan organization, [Emphasis mine] has been a leading voice of the African-American community since 1992.




    Yes, that is the same David Almasi who couldn't find a black face to front for his pale one that night. Kevin Martin? The same one who heads a sister front organization, the African American Republican Leadership Council. In fact, these groups are basically the same band of white handlers and black handled over and over again. Read more about both front groups here.

    Why would a nonpartisan group that advocates for African-Americans accuse them of falsely claiming voter suppression? Guess.

  • 69 - Peter Duncan

    Nov 24, 2004 at 10:25 am

    I thought it was cool that Mr Murdock took the time to visit this site and explain what his 'take' on Projct 21 was. I am not saying the rest of you are not entitled to your opinions but it sometime helps to get the facts directly from the 'horse's mouth'. This fellow clearly stated why he belongs to the group and what he thought the group's mission was. Much of what he said directly refuted several bloggers statements. As a reader who is interested in learning more about Eric's Blog, I felt Mr Murdock did a service and not a disservice to the readers at this site.

  • 70 - Eric Olsen

    Nov 24, 2004 at 10:28 am

    curt, I was referring to Blogcritics members, which you are not. We ban spammers, comment policy violators, malefactors, etc., on a regular basis. But you knew that.

    Mac, your triumphalism is as unseemly as it is unearned. You can attempt to debunk Project 21 all you want and it will make zero difference to the fact that not all African-Americans share your political beliefs, and they are no less legitimate, authentically black, REAL, or intelligent than you are. Your convoluted attempts to prove otherwise are disingenuous, solipsistic, and vomitous.

    Your endless personal attacks and outrageous rudeness to one and all who dare disagree with you, ever, on anything, is near the top of the list of your least appealing qualities. If you ever hope to convince anyone of anything who doesn't already agree with you, you might consider your methods; but I hold out hope for such an epiphany similar to that of experiencing the rapture in my lifetime.

    Regarding your drooling blather about my Kerry speech story: I am never afraid to express spur-of-the-moment theories, impressions, concepts or ideas, and then to retract them if they prove incorrect. It's called "original thinking" and original thinking is often proved incorrect - no shame there. I am certain you didn't "pile on" because I updated the post with responses I got privately via email and concluded that the my "Kerry doesn't know what the term means" theory was likely incorrect very shortly after I published it.

    Other aspects of my analysis of why Kerry lost hold up very well and I stand by them. But you know all of this because you know everything.

  • 71 - Eric Olsen

    Nov 24, 2004 at 10:45 am

    thanks Peter, I agree

  • 72 - Eric Olsen

    Nov 24, 2004 at 10:50 am

    Boom, thanks, your intelligent, informed and reasonable presence is always appreciated

  • 73 - RJ

    Nov 24, 2004 at 12:12 pm

    "I have generous lips. If someone were to caricature me and not make my lips delectable, I would wonder what was wrong with the cartoonist."

    Oh, PLEASE post a pic, MD, so that we may judge your appraisal...

  • 74 - RJ

    Nov 24, 2004 at 1:01 pm

    Deroy Murdock is a wonderful human being, and a masterful writer. MD's vile attacks on him demean not him, but both her, and this site.

    How much longer will this shit be put up with? Because it ain't gonna just go away on its own...

  • 75 - RJ

    Nov 24, 2004 at 1:18 pm

    "Wee One, when someone tells me he is a syndicated columnist, I look in newspapers and magazines. That is what the term generally means. Puff pieces in a Right Wing opinion rag don't count. Except for that sort of thing, Murdock is practically unpublished. He appears have been a lap dog of white reactionaries since being weaned. Hardly evidence of me being dim. Nor is it my fault that his Mama couldn't spell, or, that you are so small. Now run off and hide under your bed."

    Unbelievable. MD is caught screwing up Mr. Murdock's name, and instead of issuing a retraction, she demeans andy.

    This is why people call you names, MD. Because you DESERVE it...

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