This is where I want us to pause and think for just a second. If we have a situation in which both sides are fighting through an internal struggle, should we even attempt to interfere? If you say no, then I am in agreement with you, and the rest of this article is useless for you. If you say yes however, then let’s move on.
At this point, it appears as though the protesters are calling for US aid, or at least, admission that there were wrong doings. Our government currently is giving neither, and it shouldn’t. Until this is decided, or hard evidence is presented, we should stay out of the fray. Yet, even with hard evidence, it is hard to justify going into the situation. The current administration, along with the vast majority of the surrounding nation-states, enjoy blaming the West for their problems. If America were to step in, the same would occur here.
There are rumors coming out of Iran that the Revolutionary Army is refusing to fire on citizens. There are other accounts that some factions might be planning an open revolt. Both of these are good things, as they will result in the destruction of the current regime. However, they are both very fragile. If America steps in at all, the Army will unite against America, and the regime will remain in place. There is no way for the US to do anything without warranting a response.
This is why we must stay out of Iran. No matter what we do, be it invasion, UN resolutions, or even an official statement, it will be used as propaganda against ourselves. We need to ensure the protection of our country and our country's interests first, before we do anything with Iran. Once the issue is settled there, only then should we work with the regime, whomever it is, to bring about the changes that we desire oh so much
Article comments
1 - Ruvy
While your facts and reasoning are dodgy (your ususal), I completely agree with you that the United States GOVEWRNMENT should stay out of Iran. You have nothing to gain but body bags and black eyes, and your government has no moral authority in the Middle East - or anywhere else. Beggars in Jerusalem have more moral authority than does the American government.
But if American citizens can privately render electronic aid, why not? It seems that for the most part, Joe Sixpack can walk a straighter moral line than the power drunk excuses for human beings that Joe Sixpack was forced to put in power.
I won't comment on your analogy to Israel. Your ignorance would require an entire article to correct.
2 - Robert M. Barga
Ruvy,
1)how is my reasoning dodgy here?
2) how do beggars in Jerusalem have more moral authority
3) how does moral authority matter in this regard
4) does the middle east really see a difference between America and an American?
5) nice personal attack, but how is my statement on Israel not valid?
3 - Robert M. Barga
Tell me Ruvy, how does the US supporting Israel help my country?
4 - Deano
Here's a few realpolitik reasons the US is interested in an alliance with Israel...
a). Israel is a democracy (one of the very, very few in the Middle East)
b). Up until the fall of the Soviet Union, Israel was a strategic regional ally against Egypt (which was firmly in the Soviet camp) and Syria and what was seen at the time as the "problem' of Soviet expansionism into the Middle East.
c). Geographically, the country is well-positioned for allowing the US to supply any logistical requirements should a major Middle East conflagration take place (i.e. Mediterranean port, possible land route to control the Gulf oil fields.)
5 - Robert M. Barga
a) that doesnt help my country at all (arguably, it harms it)
2) no help anymore
C) we have Turkey, Iraq, and Kuait, no need for Israel
6 - Ruvy
2) how do beggars in Jerusalem have more moral authority
3) how does moral authority matter in this regard
4) does the middle east really see a difference between America and an American?
Let's take your questions, one by one.
I'll not address your ignorance on Israel - it would take at least an article, and I do not have time to write an article for your sake.
This much I will say. Your government has made itself an enemy of the Jewish people. Your loss. You need Israel. We do not need you. You do not need a strategic military ally. You have 100,000 soldiers sitting in Iraq. You do not need us because we are democratic. Neither Israel nor America are democracies, but both like to tell themselves they are.
YOU NEED US BECAUSE OF OUR RESEARCH AND OUR BRAINPOWER!!. Or have you forgotten how much modern technology and medical equipment was developed in this country? Being a self-absorbed American who thinks he knows about the world (hire that college while he still knows everything!), you probably do not know how much at all.
Moral authority: Are you sure you are a poli sci major? You mean you actually never heard of TR and the "bully pulpit?" Tht is what you stinkin' liar of a president has been using all along. He doesn't have any other weapons - aside from a note pad to tell the boys at Treasury to print more scrip for him....
A Jerusalem beggar has more moral authority than any of the stinkin' shits in your government. At least when the beggar puts his hand out for your handout, he doesn't have a dagger hidden in the other hand - like your government officials tend to have. A more two-faced pack of bastards never walked the earth.... Oops! I take that back! The Brits are a more two-faced pack of bastards. They get first place - then the American government officials.
Moral authority - which America no longer has - matters because it is what the American adminisration could use (if it had any) to put serious pressure on the "Islamic Republic" and make them into pariahs the world over.
Finally, you briliant political scientist you, moral authority is what your stinkin' liar of a president has been attempting to use in his speech el-Qahir. And, much to my surprise, he has been using it with resopect to Iran, finally opening up his trap with a little forcefulness.
Why does moral authority matter? Because the Iranians would make mincemeat of those soldier boys in Iraq. The then thousand or more casualties it would take you to begin to accomplish anything in Iran would have you Americans hooting and howling like monkeys stuck with elecrric prods.
Finally, folks in the Middle East are a lot smarter than you give them credit for. Even those guys whose knowledge does not extend further than "it says so in the Qur'an/Bible" know the difference between a windbag on a government chit and a tourist spending his own money.
7 - Robert M. Barga
Ruvy, people would give you more credibility if you didn't sit there and say that your country is the only thing that matters in the entire world
that said, Israel would fall - albeit in a glorious mushroom cloud surrounding it - within days of us stopping the support of it
I truly dont think that the jewish people are enemies of America. Do you have a straw poll showing as such?
8 - Ruvy
Robert,
My credibility does not come from my point of view on Israel. My credibility comes from the fact that I call things accurately - even if what I say is distateful.
You really do need to reread my comment above. I did not say that the Jewish People are enemies of America - in fact, I said the opposite - I said that the gobvernment of the United States has made itself the enemy of the Jewish People.
As for disappearing in a musroom cloud, I do that every time we cook spaghetti; I make sure we have good sauce and parmesan cheese....
Those mushroons taste good, man!!
9 - Robert M. Barga
Are you sure you are not italian?
I dont understand why you think that my government is the enemy of your people