Democrats Vote to Silence Free Speech Online - Page 2

One might wonder why, with the Bill of Rights still in force, we would need a special bill to guarantee free speech. The problem originates with the terribly flawed Federal Election Campaign Act which sets all sorts of arbitrary restrictions on political speech in clear violation of the Second Amendment. The original act was passed in 1971 and was riddled with inconsistencies and loopholes which were widely abused. To try to fix this a set of amendments was passed in 1974 and another set was passed in 2002 to revise the bill, and they went too far in the other direction, shutting down all sorts of political speech and contribution practices by private citizens. Two of the provisions have already been ruled unconstitutional in the case McConnell vs. FEC. It may seem strange that we need a bill to reiterate a right guaranteed in the Bill of Rights, but a court ruling suggested that the campaign finance restrictions could be extended to the internet to shut down or fine or impose restrictions on any blog which endorsed or supported a candidate, ran ads which could be considered campaign ads, or even quoted from campaign speeches. This might even include shutting down all political blogs for 60 days prior to a federal election date.

One outspoken supporter of the bill was House Speaker Dennis Hastert, who recently started his own blog. He's one of a growing number of Republicans who have embraced the internet as a way of communicating directly with their constituents in a very personal way. In contrast to Hastert, Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi led the move of Democrats to vote against the bill. Pelosi did not choose to comment on the vote, but fellow House Democrat Marty Meehan commented:

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  • 1 - bhw

    Nov 04, 2005 at 3:07 am

    Not to be picky, but the bill clearly refers to communications over the Internet, and you've characterized it as a specific endorsement of bloggers (or the vote against it as an attack on bloggers).

    Marty Meehan's name isn't on the McCain-Feingold bill, but he was deeply involved in getting it passed. He's my district's represenative, and his role in it was big news in the local papers at the time. So it doesn't surprise me that he voted against this bill.

    My guess is that at least some of the people who voted against it did so because they believed it to be too broad. It was apparently exempting ALL communications on the Internet by EVERYONE -- including PACs, etc. -- from the McCain-Feingold restrictions. Clearly, Meehan and other McCain-Feingold proponents don't want that.

    The key question becomes: would they have supported a bill that specifically exempted private citizens from having their Internet communications regulated?

    I don't agree with the McCain-Feingold bill in the first place, but surely it's possible that those who do might have voted differently today if the bill had specifically referenced, and was limited to, individual citizens.

  • 2 - Dave Nalle

    Nov 04, 2005 at 3:23 am

    True, BHW. It would also shut down non-blog issue oriented sites, as well as email campaigns and the like. I'm not sure that makes it any better.

    Dave

  • 3 - Dave Nalle

    Nov 04, 2005 at 10:00 am

    Oh, and the problem you bring up with the language being too broad is not a problem with the amendment, but with the regulations themselves, which are ridiculously vague and open to all sorts of questionable interpretations.

    The whole issue of campaign finance reform is a disaster. It's just pure restriction of free speech and there's no justification for it in the first place.

    dave

  • 4 - Jon Sobel

    Nov 04, 2005 at 1:15 pm

    it certainly shows us where the two parties stand on the issue of free speech.

    No, it shows us where they stood on the issue of speech in this particular case. In the case of news coverage of US soldiers coming home in body bags, it's the Republican administration stifling free speech and the Democrats pushing for it. On both sides, it's more a matter of political expedience than principle.

  • 5 - bhw

    Nov 04, 2005 at 1:36 pm

    Oh, and the problem you bring up with the language being too broad is not a problem with the amendment, but with the regulations themselves, which are ridiculously vague and open to all sorts of questionable interpretations.

    I agree. Good laws are specific and limited. But the amendment was also broad and might have had a chance of passing if it had specified that individual citizens would not be affected by the law instead of trying to make an entire medium exempt. Why should the Internet be exempt if TV and radio aren't? That's the rationale behind some of tnose No votes, I'm willing to bet. They No-ers can always hide behind that. They would have had a much harder time voting No on an amendment that specifically addressed the rights of individuals to speak freely over the Internet [and everywhere else].

    Again, I agree that the McCain-Feingold law is crap, so I'm not arguing in favor of what anyone did yesterday.

    And I agree with Jon Sobel, too. It's not like the Republicans are the protectors of free speech ALL the time, as with Democrats, when it suits their political goals.

  • 6 - Dave Nalle

    Nov 04, 2005 at 2:39 pm

    Showing the coffins isn't exactly a free speech issue. Pretty sure the coffins aren't saying anything to anyone. It's a matter of access for the press and privacy rights. Once the coffins are given to their families those families could certainly take them somewhere and hold a press conference if they were that crass.

    Dave

  • 7 - bhw

    Nov 04, 2005 at 2:48 pm

    It's a matter of access for the press and privacy rights.

    Sorry, you can't have it both ways. According to conservatives, there is no such thing as a right to privacy.

    The coffin photos are absolutely a first amendment issue. It's called freedom of the press. And when the press is trying to photograph the results of a taxpayer funded war, restricting their access to the coffins absolutely amounts to abridging the freedom of the press.

  • 8 - zingzing

    Nov 04, 2005 at 2:54 pm

    what was attached to this bill? hmm? politicians are always doing that kind of crap. it's sick:


    so... what's going on with this one?

  • 9 - Dave Nalle

    Nov 04, 2005 at 4:04 pm

    >>Sorry, you can't have it both ways. According to conservatives, there is no such thing as a right to privacy.<<

    According only to a small number of extremist conservatives. And even they only want to interfere with privacy rights in a couple of very limited areas of interest.

    >>The coffin photos are absolutely a first amendment issue. It's called freedom of the press. And when the press is trying to photograph the results of a taxpayer funded war, restricting their access to the coffins absolutely amounts to abridging the freedom of the press.<<

    Government property remains the equivalent of private property and the government has the right to restrict access to it. I agree that they probably shouldn't have done so, but it's not the same thing as limiting freedom of speech by a huge stretch.

    dave

  • 10 - Jon Sobel

    Nov 04, 2005 at 4:13 pm

    Maybe the coffin photos wasn't the best example, it's just the first one that sprang to my mind, although it is an issue that is at least closely related to "free speech" per se for the reason bhw mentions. My point, though, was that your statement (Dave) about "where the two parties stand" on free speech was gratuitously partisan when you know as well as I do - and I'm pretty sure you've said as much in other places - that political expedience is often behind partisan positions on both sides.

  • 11 - Mark Saleski

    Nov 04, 2005 at 4:21 pm

    the coffin photo gambit is a fine example of a free speech issue.

    also, a fine example of dave's rationalization of behavior for the conservative side.

  • 12 - Dave Nalle

    Nov 04, 2005 at 4:23 pm

    Political expedience may be a big element, but again and again we see the Democrats trying to limit free speech to their own advantage. The Republicans have other questionable techniques for advancing their agenda, and they're no friends of free speech when it comes to things like pornography, but they do at least respect freedom of personal expression. Remember, it's largely the Democrats who brought us this outrageous 'campaign reform' bill in the first place and they're behind this draconian Truth in Broadcasting Act as well.

    Dave

  • 13 - gonzo marx

    Nov 04, 2005 at 5:44 pm

    again and again we see Mr Nalle spout the GOP line and stretch any Info to suit his desire to bash the Dems at all costs...

    howabout the rest of the Bill? what other neat things were tucked away that Mr Nalle faisl to point out?

    howabout those wonderful "productions of a Blogburst" that we have seen come from the GOP side as semni-pro's like Gannon/Guckert, Armstrong et al, take money from the side and then spout the talking points while trying to pass themselves off as independant pundits and journalists?

    could that last be part of the Reason?

    why yes..a good portion of it was the totality of the Bill, and the fact that certain of it's provisions woudl have allowed unlimited funds to pour through the "laundry" of the Net and escape campaign laws

    and that is why GOP types are screaming...they had wanted this new way to "wash" the cash

    we will see how the final works out, i am betting that any private citizen will be able to do as they like...but professional shills and websites will fall under the campaign finance laws

    you want to solve all the campaign finance problems?..simplicity itself..it also squashes those pesky lobbyists on both sides

    make it so only registered Voters can contribute to political campaigns and Parties

    no more corporate/PAC/lobbyist money....no, i am not proposing curtailiing their "speech" they can run all the advocacy ads and shit they want...on both sides....they just can't give a penny to a campaign...and so no elected official will "owe" anyone but voters anything...

    just a Thought

    your mileage may vary

    Excelsior!

  • 14 - Dave Nalle

    Nov 04, 2005 at 7:23 pm

    >>again and again we see Mr Nalle spout the GOP line and stretch any Info to suit his desire to bash the Dems at all costs...<<

    Gonzo, I wouldn't know the GOP line if it bit me in the ass. I just reported the facts here. The Demos voted this bill down. It was all them.

    >>howabout the rest of the Bill? what other neat things were tucked away that Mr Nalle faisl to point out?<<

    Read more carefully, Gonzo. I quoted the ENTIRE text of the bill in the article. It's 2 lines long.

    >>howabout those wonderful "productions of a Blogburst" that we have seen come from the GOP side as semni-pro's like Gannon/Guckert, Armstrong et al, take money from the side and then spout the talking points while trying to pass themselves off as independant pundits and journalists?<<

    There are just as mnay of these folks on the left - in fact, they started this whole trend in the first place. Everyone has equal access to the web. Why can't the left do just as much with it as the right does?

    >>could that last be part of the Reason?<<

    As was discussed earlier the reason is probably that the campaign finance reform bill it amends is so totally screwed up, but that doesn't justify this action. They should actually fix that bill, but the demos would never go for it.

    >>why yes..a good portion of it was the totality of the Bill, and the fact that certain of it's provisions woudl have allowed unlimited funds to pour through the "laundry" of the Net and escape campaign laws

    and that is why GOP types are screaming...they had wanted this new way to "wash" the cash<<

    Do explain how the net can be used to launder campaign money, because I just don't see it.

    >>we will see how the final works out, i am betting that any private citizen will be able to do as they like...but professional shills and websites will fall under the campaign finance laws

    you want to solve all the campaign finance problems?..simplicity itself..it also squashes those pesky lobbyists on both sides

    make it so only registered Voters can contribute to political campaigns and Parties<<

    Sounds good to me, with no limits, of course. So I can donate 10 million dollars to a campaign if I want to and go around to all my friends to raise it, right?

    Dave

  • 15 - bhw

    Nov 04, 2005 at 8:35 pm

    but they do at least respect freedom of personal expression.

    No they do not.

    **They have voted to prevent clinics that receive federal funding from discussing abortion as an option when a pregnant woman comes in looking for help.

    **Their current leader, president Bush, didn't support free speech enough to veto the McCain-Feingold bill.

    **They want to amend the constitution to make flag burning illegal.

    **They pushed dissenters into "free speech zones" far away from the action and media during the last campaign and the RNC.

    So let's not pretend that the Republicans don't want to censor speech they don't like.

  • 16 - Dave Nalle

    Nov 04, 2005 at 9:19 pm

    >>**They have voted to prevent clinics that receive federal funding from discussing abortion as an option when a pregnant woman comes in looking for help. <<

    I'll give you that one.

    >>**Their current leader, president Bush, didn't support free speech enough to veto the McCain-Feingold bill.<<

    I never said Bush was a conservative. Plenty of others in the GOP opposed the bill.

    >>**They want to amend the constitution to make flag burning illegal.<<

    Some do. So do an awful lot of Democrats. No question it's a retarded position to take. But the argument here is that flag burning isn't really free speech, which I don't accept, but which has a lot of adherents.

    >>**They pushed dissenters into "free speech zones" far away from the action and media during the last campaign and the RNC. <<

    This practice was picked up on by Ashcroft, but it originated on democrat-dominated university campuses which began doing this during the early 90s.

    >>So let's not pretend that the Republicans don't want to censor speech they don't like.<<

    As I said, particularly pornography. But they don't really try to limit political speech or to limit speech to silence their opposition.

    Dave

  • 17 - ryan

    Nov 04, 2005 at 10:14 pm

    Wheres the ACLU on this one?

    Oh yeah, ruling that filing false police reports is part of the first amendment.

  • 18 - Anthony Grande

    Nov 04, 2005 at 10:26 pm

    Ryan, I really enjoy your articles. I think you should right one about the ACLU and the filing false police reports. I am pretty mad about it also. I would do it, but I am not a blogger.

  • 19 - ryan

    Nov 04, 2005 at 10:41 pm

    I'm doing it as we speak.

  • 20 - ryan

    Nov 05, 2005 at 12:09 am

    Dave--

    I hope you don't mind, but I wrote an article/entry and I quoted you in it:

    Free Speech for Frauds

  • 21 - Dave Nalle

    Nov 05, 2005 at 1:31 am

    Quote me all you like, Ryan. I do wonder about the Door/Window thing, though. Will go back and read the article in more detail tonight.

    Dave

  • 22 - Mike

    Nov 05, 2005 at 2:47 am

    The FEC rulemaking requires it to consider the question of who is a journalist. That question matters very much because journalists - even if they are paid by corporations or unions - are exempt from otherwise-applicable spending limits.

    Generally speaking, individuals are allowed to spend as much money as they want supporting or opposing candidates for federal office, though those spending significant sums must file certain reports with the FEC and include information on funding sources on the face of certain campaign literature. In contrast, corporations and labor unions cannot spend any of their treasury funds on certain election-related activities, and must fund these activities through separate political action committees, or PACs.

    So what effect will creating a blanket exemption for Internet communications have? Have we now allowed unions and corporations a loophole under McCain-Feingold by proxy?

    This bill was just a kneejerk reaction to political pressure, and this article was a deliberate simplification of the facts to support the Republicans. Even if everything you said about the bill was the whole truth, the Patriot Act is 100s of times worse. Both parties voted for that one.

  • 23 - Dave Nalle

    Nov 05, 2005 at 3:06 am

    I agree the Patriot Act is worse than this, but the Patriot Act is an entirely different issue. What harm would protecting free speech on the internet do to anyone? Our represenatives purpose in legislating should not be to dictate how people should live and think, but to do the least we can to interfere with their rights.

    Dave

  • 24 - Mike

    Nov 05, 2005 at 6:00 pm

    Did you even read what I said? A blanket exemption for Internet communication isn't protecting free speech, its a loophole under McCain-Feingold. It has exactly NOTHING to do with blogging.
    Normally I'm not a big fan of most Democrats, but I'm proud of them for this.

  • 25 - Dave Nalle

    Nov 05, 2005 at 6:12 pm

    You're entirely missing the point, Mike. McCain=Feingold ought to be scrapped alltogether. But at least exempting the internet is a start. Plus, it certainly DOES have a hell of a lot to do with blogging because blogs are one of the largest areas of online activity which would be impacted by the restrictions. So while you may prefer to think that it targets partisan organizations on the web, the fact is that the broad brush hits all of us and that's not right.

    Dave

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