Both political parties have ignored the will of the people, but here's information on how they ganged up on us!
When Congress wanted to know who disclosed the identity of former CIA agent Valerie Plame, an aide to the vice president (I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby) obstructed the investigation and was convicted and sentenced. The president responded by commuting his sentence.…
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26 - Mike Green
The problem with opening a book in the middle and begining to read the story is that one's entire perspective is based upon information gleaned from a particular point in the adventure rather than the actual beginning.
That's why I wrote the book I referenced above. The U.S. did not begin to distort and deceive in the aftermath of 9/11 in order to go to war in Iraq. The U.S. told the same lie about WMD's in Iraq in 1990. It repeated the same lie again after much of the world condemned the military control of Iraqi skies under an illegal takeover.
The daddy Bush told a lie to the Saudis regarding an imaginary Iraqi army amassed along the Kuwaiti-Saudi border ready to invade Saudi Arabia.
The daddy Bush told Americans that we needed to defend our "vital interests" and if need be, Saudi Arabia as well. Check out my video on Google and see if the president's own words are good enough evidence for the detractors.
The U.S. lied to go into Iraq just one week after it lied to Saddam about being unconcerned over his dispute with Kuwait.
The Congress was lied to about the horrors of incubator babies.
The Congress was lied to regarding the so-called Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998.
Clinton lied in order to maintain continuous bombing raids throughout Iraq during the 90s.
Bush lied to regain an opportunity to send ground troops again to invade Iraq.
The media lied about the War in Iraq being separate from the Gulf War. A "cease-fire" is not an end to a war, especially when the fire doesn't cease.
The U.S. lied about having the support of the world, when in fact, the great majority of the world has condemned the U.S. intrusion into Iraq from the 1991 invasion to the present day.
The U.S. liked about its support of Saddam Hussein and furnishing him with WMDs of a chemical and biological nature along with the measn to deploy them.
The U.S. lied about suspecting Saddam had nuclear WMDs (both in 1990 and again in 2002 and 2003. In fact a CIA agent who was specifically assigned to the case and closest to the German Intel was provided a copy of Colin Powell's speech prior to its presentation to the United Nations. He struck out all reference to Saddam being suspected of having nuclear weapons. That information did not come from the Intel agents. It came from two Iraqi CIA guys (Ayad Allawi and Ahmad Chalabi, both of which ended up with enormous power in Iraq after the overthrow of Saddam).
The government lied about so many things regarding Iraq and Iran and Saudi Arabia that those who do not know the history from 1950 to the present day are merely spouting off about pieces of insignificant propaganda that fails to see the big picture in its entirety.
The U.S. has long been the aggressor in the Middle East. Al-Qaida is a scapegoat and an excuse to be in Iraq. But the truth is that the U.S. isn't fighting Al-Qaida at all! It is a total myth!
Now, is that statement insane?
Only if you believe the propaganda emanating from the White House and regurgitated by the mass media.
First the president says it. The the VP. Then the Pentagon. Then the stooges placed in leadership positions in Iraq by the U.S., then the U.S. military leaders beholden to the president. There, is that enough evidence for you the detractors say?
Um, no. If every liar under the Bush administration makes the same declaration it doesn't change anything. It's merely another liar beholden to the same regime.
Similarly, you would not believe Saddam, so you should believe his Foreign Minister, or his Generals, or his Secretary of the Interior, or his media.
The reason why I have and still do accurately predict the occurrences before they happen regarding the U.S. involvement in the Middle East isn't because I'm getting revelation from space. It is because I know the WHOLE truth.
It would serve some of you better if you would find alternative information to which you can compare your data from the national press corps (aka the Bush propaganda machine).
For example, try finding out what the rest of the Iraqi parliament thinks of the U.S. in Iraq and its "benchmarks" and its control over the Iraqi Oil Ministry and its deceptive installations of so-called Iraqi leaders like Ahmad Chalabi.
Find out what the majority of nations are syaing today about the U.S. and Great Britain and what they were saying in 1990 and 1991.
Find out what the U.S. relationship is and has been with Iran. And why Iran isn't the aggressor, but rather the U.S. is.
Find out why the U.S. is really pushing a $20B arms deal on Saudi Arabia and offering another $30B deal with Israel.
Stop bashing folks like me who seek to inform and alert, and begin challenging the government to speak truth and back it up with solid (not circumstantial) evidence.
Get the government to open the doors of doemocracy and allow the people access to documentation we ought to have access to. And challenge the congress to unlock the door to democracy that seals us from voting on imeachment articles supported by 15 members of congress!
Let's stand together rather than apart. That's what the Dems and repubs are doing. That's why the troops haven't been brought home. Congress can end the war anytime it wishes. It has that power. And it could remove the vice president and president. It has that power. But BOTH parties signed the facade known as the Iraqi Liberation Act. Both side initiated the expansion of the executive branch known as the Homeland Security Act and USA Patriot Act. Both sides have continued misleading the American people with numerous executive privileges and orders supported by both sides.
Yes, America ... wake up. Please. before its too late.
27 - Dave Nalle
I think post #25 puts this entire exercise in perspective. It's where Green would be if he didn't have the veneer of complete and grammatically correct sentences and a slight awareness that he'll lose credibility if he just opens up his twisted mind and spews every thought in there.
dave
28 - troll
creative paranoia is where one gets through the titillating disappointment of having his worst hopes and fondest fears constantly justified...the feeling that something just isn't right
it's a hedonistic pleasure and rationality has little to do with it
the interesting thing about conspiracy theories is that they actually reflect - albeit distorted as through carnival mirrors - something
btw - the author is correct about dems and repubs alike selling out liberty...
our 'democratic' elections are spectacles of forced choices - rituals even...not unlike genital mutilation
29 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
"Find out why the U.S. is really pushing a $20B arms deal on Saudi Arabia and offering another $30B deal with Israel."
I'll bite, Mike; why is the US pushing all these deals? Particularly the one with the thieves in J-lem?
30 - Nancy
Given the choice between believing Mr. Green or believing Nalle & BushCo, there is no choice, really: I believe Mike Green hands down.
31 - alessandro nicolo
To #16, here's a novel idea: how about we sometimes delusional and smug Canadians hyped on Tim Horton's coffee apply and shift some of these suggestions towards ourselves for a change?
Ah but deflection is soooo much easier!
As for conspiracy theories, everyone knows that Major League Baseball (as I have stated before) is watching everyone. Just ask Bart.
32 - Animal Farm
RE # 27
Hey Dave, Carl just called he wants you to pick up his lunch now. He said you can get back to defending "BushCo" on the net after you finish doing what you were hired to do.
33 - Baronius
Dave (re #25 & #27) -
"(Joe Proskauer was involved in the attempted coup of FDR and is a known nazi sympathizer that looks Jew)"
This is maybe the first statement ever that's anti-Nazi and anti-Semitic.
34 - Dave Nalle
Ah, Baronius. So naive. You're not up on your conspiracy theories. The truly hip conspiracists currently believe that the Jews ARE Nazis. I wouldn't presume to try to explain it, but they believe that the Jews basically believe in the philosophy of Nazism, replacing Arabs with Jews as the people to kill.
Dave
35 - Baronius
Dave - those are the people who love to compare the Palestinian camps with the Holocaust, right?
36 - Dave Nalle
Not so much, actually. These particular folks would never make that comparison because they don't believe there WAS a holocaust. The people who make the holocaust comparison are more hardcore left wingers.
Dave
37 - troll
y'all realize that the collapsed bridge is right on the route of the proposed secret super byway...I smell a budding conspiracy theory
38 - Baronius
Dave, I took some time and looked at a bit of 9/11 conspiracy theory online. I discovered that the same people claim a controlled demolition in NY, a cruise missile in VA, and a shot-down aircraft in WV transported to PA. Which leaves me with the question, why move the wreckage of United 93?
Let's say that the government had a reason to blow up the WTC and managed to do it. Also, they had a reason to fire a cruise missile into the Pentagon and pulled it off. Maybe those reasons would coincide. What would be the reason for shooting down a plane over West Virginia and moving the wreckage? In the aftermath of the first attacks (or "attacks"), there would have been no reason to lie about shooting down a commercial flight. There would have been *no* reason to lie about where it happened.
Either the conspiracy people are right or they're not. They make their case less credible by latching on to every speculation. It goes back to first-year law school, the theory of the crime. The official/common version tells a coherent story. The conspiracy version is disjointed.
Another problem with the conspiracy people's credibility is inherent in the word "conspiracy". More reasonable people think that people act similarly out of similar motives. These theories characterize individuals with opposite motivations working together in secret. That's a red flag for me.
39 - X
Is it really so hard to find a motive for the government to destroy the WTC? The last 6 years have been like Christmas for the neocons.
Also, it should be known that the government's official story is also a conspiracy theory... one with many gaping holes in it.
Look up the FBI's "Wanted" sheet for Bin Laden online. See anything missing from it?
40 - Baronius
X - I think you missed my point. I didn't question whether the government would have a motive to destroy the Twin Towers. I said that there's no motive for them to have moved a crashed plane from West Virginia to Pennsylvania. To convince me of a new story, it's got to make more sense than the old story.
It's possible for the government to have a motive to have faked the WTC and Pentagon attacks. It's hard to believe that all the explosive charges required for two 110-story demolitions would have withstood two aircraft impacts. It's absurd to think that two administrations would have had the motives to fake WTC attacks. It's outrageous to believe that a military aircraft shot down United Flight 93 over West Virginia, then a massive coverup took place to make it look like the crash site was in Pennsylvania.
To put a bow on it, Mike sees collusion between the parties. (At least that's how I read his article.) And, X, you see the last six years as Christmas for the neoconservatives, years which have seen their cause and leaders gutted. I just can't get there from here.
41 - Dr. Reality
Very well in sighted article. Those who believe the governments story of 911, OKC and every other 'act of terror' are ignorant of history. 911 was an obvious final act in a coup de tat. I would think at this juncture every rational thinking person on the planet would recognize this.
Holding onto the fairy tales of the Federal Mafia is an act of desperation of the child who won't grow up and needs to blame someone else for their mistakes and faults.
Take a hard look at who is profiting from the 'War on Terra'. Is it indigent Arabs who have had their lives destroyed, their land contaminated with depleted uranium for an eternity, their natural resources plundered by multinational oil cartels? Or is it the military industrial banking complex that has seen it profits soar in government funding, its CEOs awash in obscene profit as it loots the national treasury.
I for the life of me cannot understand how anyone can hold onto this false belief that 911 or any other sophisticated 'terror' attack could be pulled off unless it benefited the pockets of the rich.Dr. Reality
42 - X
Only the US Government had both the motive AND the ability. I don't buy the story that 19 men that could barely fly defeated our air defences and struck the most well-defended building in the WORLD that day. That, to me, is a tough one to sell.
And though it may appear that the neocons are having a bad run, they've still done their job: serve the Military-Industrial Complex (and the World Banks) by giving them their unending war. And anyway, when the next "terrorist attack" occurs on American soil, you'll find that they're all smiles again.
Look at the footage, and believe your own eyes. I don't know anything about people trucking plane debris around, but look at the hole in the ground in Shanksville and compare it to, oh, ANY OTHER domestic plane crash. I think you'll notice a difference. If that doesn't make you think that somebody might not be telling you the truth, well... I'm at a loss.
43 - Clavos
There are times when rescinding the First Amendment becomes a tempting option...
44 - Dave Nalle
The last 6 years have been like Christmas for the neocons.
Oh yeah, like the kind of Christmas where people stab you and leave you to freeze to death in a ditch.
The PNAC has basically fallen apart. The Neocons have turned on each other. They've been proven to be incompetent. Their entire movement has been discredited. Yeah, they're doing great.
Either the conspiracy people are right or they're not. They make their case less credible by latching on to every speculation. It goes back to first-year law school, the theory of the crime. The official/common version tells a coherent story. The conspiracy version is disjointed.
Exactly. And there ARE real conspiracies out there. One of the things the conspiracy nuts do with their ridiculous theories is to cause us to overlook and not take seriously the real conspiracies which do exist.
Real conspiracies involve small numbers of people and very limited and specific deceptions. They don't involve thousands and require incredibly complex coordination of events or bizarre and far-fetched explanations which violate Occam's Razor.
Dave
45 - Bolt
Exceptionally well researched artical.Impeach Bush !
46 - STM
"Exceptionally well researched artical"
Nicely researched use of English.
47 - Clavos
Tut, tut, mate.
He wasn't writing Strine at least :>)
48 - Dr Dreadful
What I want to know is: where exactly is this peach bush and what is in it that everyone's so interested in?
49 - Clavos
Trust me, Doc; it's the pits!
50 - gonzo marx
yas are getting into a fuzzy subject there...
but i digress,
Excelsior?
51 - Dr Dreadful
Ah yes, gonzo marx: punmeister-general.
Take it away, gonz...
52 - gonzo marx
hey now, the fruit of our labor is easy as pie to pick a peck of pickled pundits portraying peachy prognostications pertaining to a plethora of pseudo prophetic perambulations and permutations of perplexing profundity paraphrased as pithy purple prose presenting popular populist potentates potentially pontificating perennially ponderous pronouncements precursor to profitable pandemonium!
perhaps ...
Excelsior?
53 - REMF
"Given the choice between believing Mr. Green or believing Nalle & BushCo, there is no choice, really: I believe Mike Green hands down."
- Nancy
Dittos!
54 - Lumpy
Now there's an endorsement to make u proud. You've captured the mIndless troll audience. The quality of comments on this thread compliments the idiocy of the article perfectly.
55 - bliffle
Takes one to know one.
56 - gonzo marx
Lumpy is REALLY not gonna like the article i just submitted...
heh
Excelsior?
57 - Dr Dreadful
I can't wait...!
58 - crazychester
I don't like conspiracies myself, especially when you are provided with a multitude of examples on the ineptness of government management in so many arenas, especially when a long chain of command is involved. It's also off the topic of this article, which is well written and accurate regarding the lack of difference in the two parties right now.
With that said, folks like Dave seem to dismiss any conspiracy speculation out of hand. Sept the 11th did not have to be planned and executed by the government. It only needed facilitation. This facilitation seems obvious to me when you ask where the military jets were. The FAA scrambled U.S. jets to the side of Payne Stewart's chartered flight within minutes of losing contact. If you know anything about Class A airspace and the commercial airline system, no plane is ever out of radio or electronic contact with ATC for any period of time.
A few other demonstrable facts leave gaping holes(no pun intended) in the official version of events:
WTC 7 had absolutely no reason for collapse.
Cheney ordered a military jet "standown" well after the first plane struck.
No steel framed building in history has ever collapsed due to fire.
Something airborne hit the Pentagon, but it was most definitely not a 757.
59 - Lumpy
Good name choice, chester. Dead on given your mental condition.
BTW there's video of the plane hitting the pentagon. You can see thw plane.
Believe the conspiracies and u miss the real threats.