Court Strikes Down Warrantless Searches - Comments Page 2

Constitutional rights triumph over investigative expediency as a court strikes down FISA and Patriot Act search provisions.

On Wednesday a federal court struck down two provisions of the Patriot Act which allowed warrantless searches as violations of the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution which protects against unreasonable search and seizure.…
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  • 26 - Dave Nalle

    Sep 29, 2007 at 1:42 pm

    Gonzo, McCain is hardly a Neocon. Being strong on national defense and opposed to international terrorism doesn't make you a Neocon. McCain has given no indication of the basic requirement of being a Neocon which is favoring an imperialistic foreign policy.

    In fact, none of the GOP candidates could really be considered a Neocon. Certainly none of them have any official association with that movement.

    Dave

  • 27 - moonraven

    Sep 29, 2007 at 2:10 pm

    Nalle defended the warrantless wiretapping like a rabid dog on this site.

    Now he tries to tell us he was against it.

    Lies.

    He also lies when he tells us that HE--who doesn't even know Venezuela is NOT in Central America--is privy to conditions on the ground in Iraq!

    Dug a tunnel from your trailer in Texas to Baghdad, huh?

  • 28 - gonzo marx

    Sep 30, 2007 at 5:37 pm

    @ #26 - never said McCain was a neocon..check again

    my point is that he is adhering to the neocon Agenda vis a vis Iraq and the middle east

    so, while he isn't a member of that cabal, he IS carrying out their policies and advocating their ideological agenda of what should be done in that part of the world

    i've NO patience to ANY fellow traveller of that ideological agenda

    nuff said...

    Excelsior?

  • 29 - Dave Nalle

    Oct 02, 2007 at 10:16 am

    Gonzo, my point is that there is a non-neocon political perspective which also supports the war in iraq. Actually there are several of them. There's a liberal internationalist argument for it (Joe Biden's camp), there's a national security argument for it (McCain's camp), and neither of these have anything to do with the Neocon agenda even if they agree with it on having our troops in Iraq.

    You're way too quick to throw the word 'neocon' around without thinking it through.

    Dave

  • 30 - gonzo marx

    Oct 02, 2007 at 12:10 pm

    and i think you are either being deliberately obtuse, or you are failing in reading comprehension...

    do note the difference here...i state certain individuals are aiding and continuing with the neocon Agenda..i do NOT at any time call those folks neocons

    see the difference yet?

    oh yes, and Biden's position is the one i stated a few years ago....split them up into three states, ratify an oil program where EVERY Iraqi gets a share, and those states each get a share...then let htem work it out themselves

    BIG fucking difference between that and permanent bases and a permanent occupation...which no matter who is advocating it now, WAS indeed part of the neocon Agenda that Cheney and the rest of the PNAC
    have advocated since 96, and was exacerbated by the 98 manifesto which wished for "a new Pearl Harbor to provide justification..." for such an invasion

    now, read what i typed again, and realize just how silly your objections are in light of what was actually written

    or just ignore me if you can't keep up

    Excelsior?

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