Cindy Sheehan hasn't achieved her original goal, but a far greater one.
A few weeks ago, I wrote an entry on my own blog about Cindy Sheehan.…
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Cindy Sheehan hasn't achieved her original goal, but a far greater one.
A few weeks ago, I wrote an entry on my own blog about Cindy Sheehan.…
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26 - red stater
JRH...................
Cindy Sheehan said "America is waging nuclear war in Iraq."
That's a direct quote.
I think I'll stand by my "pinhead" remark.
27 - billy
red stater, are you dumb? our bullets are made from depleted uranium. why dont you educate yourdelf before you make stupid statements?
28 - Joe
You talking about those tank bullets, doctor?
29 - Dave Nalle
Billy, our bullets are mostly made from bismuth.
Depleted uranium is used in the shell casings of artillery rounds.
Why don't you educate yourself before you make stupid statements?
In addition, the phrase 'nuclear war' means using nuclear weapons in a war, not using weapons which have heavy metals related to those used in nuclear weapons as construction components.
Do you even know what depleted uranium is or why it's a health hazard? It's not terribly radioactive. It's a health hazard in the same way that mercury or lead is - because it's a heavy metal - which is why we use bismuth bullets now, btw. The danger from depleted uranium comes only if it is ingested in large quantities or entered directly into the bloodstream. Depleted uranium is used as a casing material because of its mass and maleability, not because it's inherently dangerous.
The UN did extensive studies on DU rounds used in Kosovo, and the only cases of poisoning have been when it gets into the ground water or directly into the bloodstream - like from shrapnel. The only documented cases I know of where Iraqis have been poisoned by uranium is when some villagers stole a truckload of yellocake containers (some of that WMD material that some think wasn't in Iraq) and dumped them out to use to hold water which was then contaminated by radioactive uranium traces.
Dave
30 - red stater
Kudos to you for putting Billy in his place.
Do you think sheehan was referring to depleted uranium bullets Billy?
31 - billy
who cares? why havent you signed up for the war coward? are you voting for sheehan for something and need to clarify her position or is it just your mo to slander military families?
32 - Dave Nalle
>>who cares?<<
People who don't like to see lies and propaganda go unchallenged care. I might ask you why you don't care enough to actually know the facts and tell the truth?
>> why havent you signed up for the war coward? <<
Perhaps because we live in a free country where he doesn't have to? At least until the democrats institutionalize military slavery with a draft.
Dave
33 - Pete
Shouldn't it be pointed out that Sheehan's son (God rest his soul) was an Amercian military volunteer?
Why did he volunteer?
What motivates volunteerism?
Was he coerced into volunteering?
Did he have his own mind?
Make his own decision?
I respect that. I love him for that. We owe him for that.
34 - Deuce
Billy, shut up and go to bed. Jesus Christ you fuckin screw yourself sideways in every fuckin debate you attempt. You are to fuckin emotional. Take up smokin or ritilan or some shit. Christ.
Why aren't you on the front lines? Don't go calling people cowards, when you don't even know their backgrounds.
And don't start that silly shit with me, I've been there and done that, got the fuckin T-shirt, wore the T-shirt out and now use it apply wax on my car.
I think that there Pete fellow made a mind boggling point. Sheehan's son WAS a volunteer.
So has everyone else been since the early 70's when the draft ended.
Do you have any clue to the support/line ratio of people in combat positions? It's like 10 to 1. It takes 10 people to support 1 on the front. We're talking logisitcs, medical, transportation, supply, maintenence, training... all that shit.
If you join the military, you have 1 in 10 odds of making it to the front. Unless you specifically tailor your MOS to a front line position.
I know, I'm out, did my 6 and AMF. Bitter? No, just time to move along. Made it out okay, had a good experience. Worked my ass off.
Front line troop? Me? No. I was in the AOR -- Diesel mechanic. Engines are everywhere, and need repair. Sorry, I'm not a war hero or shooter or none of that shit, but I had a job to do, which needed doing, and I did it. No fuckin biggie Billy.
35 - hilzoy
"Who dreams up those memes?"
In the case of the kittens, it was the Poor Man, in a post that regrettably vanished when he switched servers. I then did one around the time of the Amnesty International brouhaha, when something like the 8th post on that topic appeared on my group blog, and I was too annoyed to write anything straight about it. Then, I did this one, for similar reasons, and the Poor Man retaliated, and there we are.
Since you asked ;)
36 - Marine for Life
I would really like for all of you to take a long look at this e-mail.
Everyday, there is something on the news about this woman. She seems very upset and wants answers. Well, now that Rev. Sharpton is in the picture, she will never be at ease. This is all hyped up trash that really pisses 'True' soldiers off. We fight, in one way or another, every single day out here and you hvae the nerve to side with that woman. Truth be told, her son made his choice to enlist. He made his choice to put on his uniform and wear it with pride. Her son is an adult. Free to make up his own mind, he served his country. Her son is a hero for that.
Mrs Sheehan.....Have closure and let your sons memory be one of good times and happy moments. Do not use this war to drag your sons deceased name through the mud. Your son died. Many families have had loved ones die during this war.
I have served in this war. I am continuing to serve in this war. I have seen both ends of a rifle and have though of only one thing......
My God, My Life, My Country, My Corps........
I am on the front lines. I have been on the back lines. My wife stands beside me and honors the very uniform I wear. Our children will one day look at me and know that their daddy is a hero. If that day is not to happen, only the Lord will then take me home.......
For all you protesters......Remember Sept 11th and what happened ? Do you rememeber all the things that took place right after that. Didn't the President have overwelmingly favorable odds to go to war after the scum that did this horrible act......You were part of the group. Do not pick and choose. Be a man and stand up for the choice you made. Do not be a coward and 'change your mind' just to jump on the bandwagon....Do not be a bigot and stand for the war when in secret you tell your friends you oppose it.
What if all the troops came home. What if you all got your wish and everthing was back to as normal as you could live it. What if.........
What if then, it happened again, another strike on US soil. What will you do then. Will you realize that you made a huge fucking mistake by bringing the soldiers home. Would you then realize you could have prevented this by having to get your fucking way. What then will you do.........
Do you remeber Vietnam. I can, in no way, compare the two. We lost many lives during that conflict. Honorable lives who are still remembered to this day. Do you recall the numbers of total loss of life.....I am not sure you do not. 58,156 (give or take) lifes were lost. During this war, 1000-2000 lifes have been lost. War is an ugly picture. No man ever wants to go to war. And if he does, then he needs some help. We all do our job according to the orders that have been given to us. Now, I was used to being given the orders to carry out missions. Now I give the orders to the next guy.
You see Mr. Activist or protester, you are nothing to me. When all is said and done, the only thing the you protesters will have is that you stood up to the president. Me, I will have the honor of remembering that I beat the shit out of you while defending my president......
37 - millard
The late Hoyt Axton once referred Americans in song as " freckle faced, tee-shirted, milk drinkin babies, who never have ever seen fire in the skies. "
It was a Viet Nam era song which, with the notable exceptions of Pearl Harbor and 9-11, was, and is, very true.
As I read this blog I am struck by the bile that issues forth from those so insulated by the sacrifice of others.
The very fact that we have access to this technology bears witness to our relative wealth and freedom.
Cindy sacrificed nothing, her son did.
Yet she seeks to diminish that sacrifice by empowering those who would gleefully take the lives of those who still serve.
We all saw her smiling as she was carried carefully away from the protest by those who also choose to serve.
She risks nothing, yet thinks little of those who risk everything.
The world is indeed watching...watching us crumble in our resolve, like the spoiled and coddled children we have become.
Our enemy not only counts on this, but predicted it.
When next we see fire in the skies, I for one will hold Cindy and her handlers accountable.
38 - Vox Populi
"Appalling. Disgusting. Incredibly fucking sick. This is the state of our country today. Bush's henchmen are now threatening to arrest Cindy Sheehan unless she leaves Crawford, TX immediately..."
Your whole argument, of course, hinging on these completely untrue statements from Sheehan who no one had ever threatened to arrest. Well, at least until she was arrested today in New York for failing to get a permit for a protest in Union Square.
Vox
39 - The Searcher
Marine for Life:
"My God, My Life, My Country, My Corps........"
That's actually four things, not one thing.
To question the motivations of the politicians who call soldiers away from their families to serve and perhaps die, can in no way denigrate that service. The business of a soldier is not to ask why, but to do or die.
There is no evidence to suggest that Iraq sponsored or trained any of the 9/11 terrorists. Neither is there any evidence that Iraq possessed the weapons of mass destruction whose presence was the sole justification for our invasion. History will likely show that the invasion of Iraq was more opportunistic and pre-emptive than reactive to any tangible, direct threat to the security of the United States.
40 - Vox Populi
That's what I get for reading DailyKos. Sheehan was apparently actually arrested in DC, not in New York.
Vox
41 - JRH
redstater........
You must be kidding, right? You feel vindicated that you can state with confidence that Cindy sheehan is a pinhead because she says we are "waging nuclear war in Iraq?"
Okay, fair enough. I'll go along with that. "Pinhead." There, done. You are right. She is correct in many of the things she says, but I would venture that based on the statement you have offered, she may have flitted into the moth-balled corridors of Pinheadville.
Hungry for truth? Me, too. And that was barely a snack. Calling out a woman who is mad with grief and injustice and powerless to stop a lying ruler who put her son in harm's way unnecessarily is but a crumb of satisfaction, when it comes to defining and understanding our environment.
Let's move on to something more substantial. Let's talk about the president of this country. Let's look at his quotes, his use of words, his use of "facts." Boy, oh, boy. What a fun conversation this will be. Because it means very, very little to me if a citizen in Texas or Virginia or California is a pinhead"when the most she can wave around is a bullhorn or a sign.
When the "most powerful man in the free world" is a dolt (pick your adjective: moron; fool; simpleton; uneducated, unenlightened, bumbling ass)? Well, then. That would have much more dire consequences, and thus, be worthy of more discussion and emotion. We can walk away from the Sheehan argument, as you can see. Yet, when one's President is a witless individual, the discussion remains, and keeps sprouting heads, like hydra. If one's President were a fool, well, that would lead to all sorts of disaster....like war, people starving, the wrong priorities being made with money, lives, and resources. This is why, I reiterate, the former situation is hardly worth arguing over. And the latter remains a dark, rotted, etching in the still-growing tree of our everyday life. These lies of the administration, this death and destruction they have wrought; these "pinheads" that are sapping away the dignity, self-respect, and integrity of America...they are a rot we need to burn away, scrape away, bury and leave behind, so we can begin to heal, and become the great country we are, underneath their taint.
"Pinhead." Man. I don't even know what lexicon would be suffiicient to adequately name the current amoebic presence clinging to Pennsylvania Avenue.
42 - Dave Nalle
Sheehan's 15 minutes are over. Stop oggling the trainwreck. Move along.
Dave
43 - JRH
sez the pot, to the kettle
44 - tc
these "kids" join our military, their parents DO NOT send them or sign them up, you morons. have a clue. yes, i did try to join up after 9-11 but age was a factor. when will you pacifists realize that the terrorist want to kill our entire way of life and started long before bush was ever elected? our world has changed and it is time for us to stand up, suppor tour military snd KILL the terrorist. yes fools, i said KILL them. don't capture them, don't reason with them and do not show them any human rights whatsoever. power is the only thing they understand and being a martyr is their way to Allah Who, by the way, has promised to get them laid (in their minds)! you want to reason with them? go over there to the middle east and have a LOVE ceremony. al queda would love to use that for their telecasts around the world.
45 - sr
tc. Well stated. Nuke the unborn ignorant American. It will happen as sure as the golden arches sell those wonderful french fries.