Why is the medical community deceiving people on what the so-called "cervical cancer" vaccine does?
It's one thing to have reframing in political discourse where blind partisanship reigns. It is an entirely different matter when reframing starts affecting medical information presented to patients. The recent acclaim for the cervical cancer vaccine is one such case of reframing a debate gone drastically wrong.…
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26 - Dave Nalle
JB, what difference does it make if the example is a vaccine or some other drug adapted to a purpose other than the one originally intended? Treatments for a number of diseases started out as treatments for other diseases and conditions. Who cares what it's called. It stops Cervical Cancer. It's a good thing.
Dave
27 - John Bambenek
It's called truth-in-packaging, Dave.
That's it.
The only ideological blind craziness you have a problem with is that I think the HPV vaccine should be called an HPV vaccine and that using it is optional and not mandatory (certainly not as a condition to go to school).
It's obvious I've strayed from the plantation. I've seen the light.
I will now accept everything I'm told by the elites without question. We'd hate for criticism to start filling up the articles in BlogCritics.
28 - Dave Nalle
I didn't even discuss this business about it being made mandatory for school attendance. That seems extremely unlikely. There are a number of easily communicable diseases for which a vaccine is not required for school attendance. There's no way that the HPV vaccine would be required. Do you have some source for this idea, because while I'm sure someone has suggested it common sense makes me think that no one is seriously considering implementing it.
As for the 'truth in packaging' issue. Does the vaccine prevent Cervical Cancer? End of story.
Dave
29 - JR
So why is abstinence mentioned at all in this article? Abstinence 1) does not directly attack cervical cancer, and 2) will not prevent all cases of cervical cancer.
30 - John Bambenek
Dave-
The vaccine attacks the HPV virus, not cervical cancer cells.
Get your head out of the sand.
31 - Clavos
JB,
I can't, for the life of me, figure out why this is so important to you?
No matter what they call it, it's a vaccine that even you admit does two good things: cures HPV, and by killing HPV viruses, prevents CC.
It's not as if the pharmas and government are pushing some horrible, life threateing drug under false pretenses.
From evidence presented here, you're right; it doesn't directly kill cancer cells (or "cure" cancer), but so what???
Talk about a tempest in a teapot...
32 - troll
John - we're going to see this loose use of the language more and more as viral and bacterial 'causes' (strong correlations) are discovered for the cancers
it reflects a new situation...a move away from a strict interpretation of Koch's Postulates toward a probabilistic view of disease causation
anyone who comes down with CC in the absence of an HPV infection should feel free to sue
troll
33 - Dave Nalle
I imagine that a short disclaimer that the 'vaccine' isn't 100% effective ought to take care of that problem, troll.
It's not as if the pharmas and government are pushing some horrible, life threateing drug under false pretenses.
You don't get it, Clavos. To JB this IS a horrible life threatening drug, because it reduces the risk of getting an STD if you have sex, thereby increasing the motivation to have sex, and sex=death or at least going to hell in his bizarre worldview.
Dave
34 - Doug
I challenge everyone here to name ONE VACCINE anywhere in the world that is called anything other than the virus it attacks.
Well, for smallpox the vaccine is called the small pox vaccine, but it actually innoculates against variola virus.
And for chickenpox the vaccine is called the chickenpox vaccine, but it actually innoculates against varicella-zoster virus, also known as human herpes virus 3.
And for the plague, the vaccine is called the plague vaccine, but it actually innoculates against Yesinia pestis.
Does this meet John's stupid challenge, everyone?
35 - Dave Nalle
Good enough for me, Doug. I'm sure he'll find some way to weasel out of it. JB would like to find a way to innoculate people against sex - perhaps mandatory saltpeter tablets.
Dave
36 - Doug
Dave,
Using John's (ah-hem) "reasoning" perhaps we might call it the Anti-Enlightenment Dimwits vaccine since that appears to be the particular form of contagion it appears to be attacking, at least on this silly blog.
Doug
37 - SiscoKid
Bottom Line-- Look into any information, Learn as much as you can, Pray for guidance. With as advanced as science is it is still growing. When they think they have found the answer to one problem a side effect appears. If you have ever dealt with cancer on any level, you want to know your options for survival.
I raised my grandson who was 8yr old which dropped x-mas day 1998 for the final count of AML. His final months were spent testing drugs which now put it into remission (his wishes he said "If I have to dye I want to be at least to save one person and know I didn't dye for nothing). One of his bonemarrow transplant was able to save another child, he got his wish. This cancer was a result of the environment (roofs sealed, parking lots blacktopped, school yard sprayed), human body (entered puberty chemical changing)interacting. This is one as many virus that humans are born with and are not activated until environment and body come together under curtain conditions changes the "T" cells. It makes me yell "Where the heck is the "Humans Do Not Put Together List"". Most people think it isn't going to effect them.
My daughter is a result of DEM given in 1960 & 1970 to help carry children. Gave her life, but discovered in 1990 side effect life span was 12yr to 18yr old. We did all the above she is 39yr old. Each time cancer crops it's ugly head up we start our journey looking and learning, because her body developes another type of cancer.
One major lesson we have learnt on this journey is everyone is born with all kinds of dormant virus and how precious life is. No one should have to bury their children for any reason. My family always are looking for information to help one another, and my brother sent me the article on this information and called me to make sure I read it. Yes, he made sure he told me it was called one thing but did something else, and reminded me that THIS IS ONE OF THE VIRUS HUMANS CARRY DORMANT, that I had received information prior from the Mayo Clinic Medical facility, Rochester, Minnesota, confirmed by UCSF, and Stanford Medical center. My daughter has cervical cancer of a different strain, but it may be applicable to her because of the chemical side effect, which also kills part of the strain she has. Who knows, it could kill part of it, but will probable mute into another strain, case in check you hope to mute it into a strain you can fully kill.
So my hat off to those who yell "Call it what it is", a big hats off to those who yell "Who cares just kill it", my prayers to all that you might not walk in my shoes.
Please keep yelling, learning, asking, I look for you my journey it isn't finished yet.
38 - John Bambenek
Dave-
I've repeated my intention again and again, and instead of even trying to engage you are engaging in a pattern of personal attacks.
I never once said this is a life-threatening drug, I never once said it should be offered, but it isn't enough to simply disagree with someone, you must outright destroy their character.
You are the reason that politics is so ugly.
39 - Dave Nalle
Jeez, JB. I don't believe I characterized it quite the way you do. Plus I was responding to someone who didn't understand your perspective. Just trying to help out.
Answer me this, then. If laws were based on your moral criteria woudl premarital sex be legal?
Would I be wrong to characterize you as a neo-puritan?
And I'm NOT saying that this is necessarily a bad thing, but people ought to understand what's going on behidn the deceptive arguments you're raising.
Dave
40 - komodo
Question - If this vaccine can eliminate cervical cancer in women due to the prevention of HPV, why not give it to boys, as well? Even if boys do not get cc, if the vaccine prevents HPV, it should totally eliminate what is probably a miserable, incurable STD (genital warts? - this does not sould like fun) in both men and women, AND therefore, ultimately, cervical cancer. Who loses here? I don't care if they call the vaccine "Maynard".
41 - Alisha
I think HPV is a thing people get by not bieng careful what do you say
42 - Teresa
The person who wrote this is a MORON!!! This infection is to easy to spread and easy to prevent. Only a fool would want to chance their daughters future by not getting her this protection. It should be lumped with polio and mumps shots. I have cervical cancer and I will be damned if my kids aren't going to get this vaccine. The government should enforce these vaccines in order to protect the children of fools who have no common sense when it comes to protecting their own children. Children who may one day be a part of the working poor community who don't have insurance...who can't not afford pap smears...or vaccines. Ones that find out years down the road they have cervical cancer...because their parents had their heads in the sand. Pull your head out people we need universal healthcare and vaccines such as these.
43 - samantha
unlike most of the people who commented on this site I would like to thankyou for trying to inform people about this vacine The only information I have received about the vacine is from medical staff which being honest have no idea two women came to my college to "give us more knowledge" about the vacine they did nothing of the such they coudn't answer anyone's questions even the ones that should have been obvious to them it's disgusting