In tonight's speech President Bush charted the 'rational middle' course for a balanced solution to the problems of illegal immigration.
Confirming many of us in our belief that President Bush is at heart a rational moderate, tonight he outlined a plan for immigration which addresses the nation's border security concerns, our need for immigrant labor, and our tradition of welcoming those who want to live and work and become American citizens. What he expressed in his speech tonight was essentially the plan which Senator McCain and others had put together a few weeks ago in the Congress, but which was narrowly voted down. Perhaps now, with this unambiguous presidential endorsement the plan will pass as it should have the first time.…
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— go to most recent comments26 - Dave Nalle
I think Bush is still that moderate we knew him to be before 2000, it's just that he's been warped by the office and the compromises it requires and mislead by his advisors. When left to make decisions on his own he's still going to pursue that middle course as he demonstrates with this issue.
Dave
27 - Dave Nalle
Heloise, you seem to think that anyone who moves to Texas is an illegal. The public schools are growing because of immigration from within the US, not so much because of illegals. Texas is one of the fastest growing states for people to move to from other states because of our low unemployment and low cost of living relative to wages paid.
Even the most radical don't believe in a figure like your 50 million illegals. And the census has researched the actual figures, using the schools and other sources and come up with a very believable and substantiated figure of about 12 million. It might be slightly higher than that, but 50 million is ridiculous.
Dave
28 - Arch Conservative
If I wanted someone in the white house who'd look the other way while millions of ilegals stream across the border I would have voted for Kerry.
Bush's plan is a non-plan. A few thousand national guard troops on the border? Whoopty friggin doo!
Temporary guest worker plan? Yeah further advantages for wetbacks over Americans in the job market.
Path to citizenship for illegals all really here? Yeah you broke the law so we're going to reward you for it.
This so called plan is nothing but Bush trying to bolster his poll numbers by paying lip service to his base regarding the wetback situation. Well I ain't havin any!
Fuck Bush. Fuck his plan.
Until any politician gets serious about this and starts making suggestions that will actually work such as placing the military on the border with shoot to kill orders, imposing extremely stiff penalties on employers hiring wetbacks, deporting wetbacks by the thousand every day at their own expense by having our government confiscating and liquidating any personal belongings of said wetbacks, assassinating Vincente Fox and any other Mexican interloper of note that stands in our way, and/or invading Mexico.....they can all kiss my ass.
On this issue there is no difference between Ted Kennedy and George Bush. Now that's the scary truth and it sucks.
It's time for the minutmen and thier brethren to step up their game and start forcing the hand of those bastards on capital hill.
29 - Magma Report
Biometrics Security and Illegal Immigration
The speech was very clear: from now on, any foreigner willing to go legally in the United States in order to work there will have to communicate his fingerprints while entering the country.They will have to subject themselves to these procedures, formerly only imposed to criminals and to spies, not to immigrants and visitors, and even less to citizens.
Indeed, Bush said in his addresses on Immigration Reform:
"A key part of that system [for verifying documents and work eligibility of aliens] should be a new identification card for every legal foreign worker. This card should use biometric technology, such as digital fingerprints, to make it tamper-proof."
The proposal launched by president Bush to deploy the National Guard at the Mexican border and to introduce sophisticated electronic devices is only part of a brilliant communication strategy. Its actual function is not to protect the border, but to direct public attention far from the true reform set in motion by the Bush Administration: biometric security.
Read more on my magmareport.net site.
30 - Bliffle
"...it's just that he's been warped by the office and the compromises it requires and mislead by his advisors."
True. But a man with stronger deeper character, from struggle, loss, recovery and the rueful knowledge thereby, would have been able to handle it. But he's always been protected from consequences, as he is now.
Character counts.
31 - Heckler
If people don't see this transparent ploy to shift the public discussion away from the things slaughtering the republicans in the polls right now, then they are so naive as to get what they deserve.
Unfortunately it is our nation, and our descendants, who will not only pay the financial bill for this administrations failed policies, but who will suffer under a police state, monitored by both the government and the corporation the government works for.
As the Pravda rolls on, I highly advise everyone to take the advice given by the "Brain" gremlin and put all your assets into canned goods and shotguns. One thing to add, kill your phone.
32 - Michael J. West
I genuinely don't understand the problems that people have with allowing illegals who've been here for five years to get on the road to citizenship.
They are NOT being rewarded. They are being punished. The plan includes punitive damages for violating the law and paying all back taxes. Once that's done, it's the same as filling a judge's sentence: they did the crime AND the time.
So what's the problem with their then getting in line BEHIND the people who went through the proper legal channels?
33 - Michael J. West
Bear in mind that the illegals who have NOT been here for five years--the ones we send back--will then be able to try and get back into the U.S. by going through the proper channels. And they don't have to pay the fines and the taxes. So you might say that they're getting a better deal than those who are getting the so-called "amnesty"!
34 - Heckler
My problem with it, Michael, is that you have folks who have been waiting on line for YEARS to get into the country legally.
The illegals you are talking about would be cutting in front of the line.
I don't like the idea, on principle, for rewarding people who broke the law, for 5 years or more, by letting them cut in front of the people who have done everything according to the rules.
35 - Dave Nalle
No, Heckler. Did you not see or read the speech? What is the deal with all the people like you and Heloise and Bliffle who have no idea what was in the speech, yet feel free to criticize elements that weren't there. Bush clearly said - and it's restated in this article - that those who had been here illegally would go to the back of the line when applying for citizenship. They're not being rewarded, they're being PUNISHED, even though they might deserve some sort of reward for their loyalty to this country and the work they have done here.
Dave
36 - Jet in Columbus
Dave he should've stuck with just point One. After that I think he lost his ultra conservative base.
37 - Heckler
Dave, I did watch it, and the proof will be in the pudding.
Question, do those illegals get to stay in the country? Answer, yes. Does that mean they can go on reaping the benefits of being in the country when they entered illegally, merely because they go taway with it for 5 years or more?
Yes.
Do you consider that fair when there are plenty of good people who are following the rules still waiting to get into the country in the first place while these illegals are already here?
The card you and the administration are trying to palm is the simple fact that these illegals GET TO STAY in the country while "going to the back of the line" while those following the rules are still waiting in their country of origin for their turn in line.
Nice try, but hopefully the american people don't fall for more of this kind of lies and deception.
38 - Jet in Columbus
I agree with Heckler, good point.
39 - Richard Brodie
No Dave. They don't just need to go to the BACK of the line. They need to not be allowed in the line at all. Immigrants from every other country except Mexico are required to be S-C-R-E-E-N-E-D. They will only be considered for citizenship if they have requisite SKILL levels, and then only in numbers that can be REASONABLY accomodated. The fact that Mexican border jumpers can be EXEMPTED from these considerations, which apply to every other country in the world, is JUST AS BAD as being allowed to literally cut into the front of the line!!!
40 - Arch Conservative
Michael West doesn't see the problem people have with letting illegals who have been here for five years or more become citizens.....
Michael claims they are going to be forced to pay punitive damages and back taxes.
Does anyone really believe that they will actually be forced to pay back taxes?
Does anyone actually think they will pay back anything near the level of monetary fines that they have cost this nation?
If someone breaks in yoour house do they have the right to stay there after they have paid a fine Micahel?
Were you one of the people screaming about "rule of law" and how the domestic spying program violated it Michael? Because if you were you should also have a problem with the illegals who violate the rule of law?
They ARE being rewarded Michael. They came here illegally, stayed here for years illegally, collected income without paying taxes, recieved healthcare for which they didn't pay, violated numerous other laws, and you think the government's bogus claim that they will be forced to pay back taxes and monetary fines and then become citizens makes it ok?
It's horseshit and if you can't smell it you better make an appointment with an ear, nose, and throat specialist Michael.
41 - Heckler
Hey Arch, now turn that razor like critique towards the author of this post. It woudl be fun to read you and Dave go at it.
And yes, I am one of those who screamed rule of law, for BOTH things.
neener neener neener, nyah nyah!
42 - Michael J. West
So then how come nobody seems to mind when the illegal immigrants are political refugees from Cuba who have not been formally granted asylum? THOSE people, of course, need not worry about being illegal, because they're escaping political oppression.
So those of you who support all illegals being immediately deported, never to return, are you including Cuban refugees? They have to go back to Castro with no chance of amnesty, right?
43 - Michael J. West
Bing, I have to hand it to you. Contrary to most stereotypes of "arch conservatives," you are clearly no kind of Christian, evangelical or otherwise.
44 - Arch Conservative
Since when does being a Christian mean that you must let others screw you over Michael?
I'm not a christian but maybe you are Michael? Are you pro-abortion? Are you pro-gay marriage?
Do you wanna cherry pick some more issues and relate them to christianty to prove your bullshit assertion that my lack of compassion means I'm not a christian in your eyes?
I realize that the reason many Mexicans come here illegally due to extreme poverty in their own nation. I do have compassion for a man who cannot afford to feed his children so he comes here illegally for the hopes of the means to do so. However when that man comes here illegally he is not just getting money for his family. He is also getting free healthcare which makes my healthcare and that of my children more expensive. He is using the roads that I pay taxes along with other legals to maintain while he does not. He is driving without a license or insurance while I must pay for both. He is earning tax free income. He may be recieiving government housing or financial assistsance. etc...etc...etc.....
He's screwing me and you and every other law abiding legal American Michael. So yes his life may have sucked in Mexico but that does not make it right for himt o screw me and you over.
The world's not fair. Life's not fair and it never will be Michael. I'm ok with that. While I have compassion for the misfortunes that befall others it does not consume my life. It does not fill me with guilt.
I am not out to screw anyone over but my main priority will ALWAYS be the welfare of myself and my friends and family and if i can help anyone else when these needs are met I try to do so.
that's the way I live my life and if you have a problem with that Michael that's too damn bad.
45 - Michael J. West
He's screwing me and you and every other law abiding legal American Michael. So yes his life may have sucked in Mexico but that does not make it right for himt o screw me and you over.
Again, does that apply to Cubans?
46 - Heckler
Michael, big difference between the status of a political refugee who has applied for asylum, and an illegal alien who snuck across the border and stands at a bus stop waiting for day labor.
47 - Michael J. West
Is there, Heckler? The Cubans are coming here by the same means as the Mexicans: they're sneaking into the country, just on boats instead of on foot. And they are also coming in by the hundreds and the thousands to take jobs and housing and tax dollars in America. And since 1995, a majority of Cuban refugees don't apply for political asylum--they are automatically granted it by virtue of their nation of origin.
48 - Heckler
Nope, you make a valid point. But do notice the difference I pointed out.
One group applies for political asylum. The other does not. That application for asylum places you "in line" as it were, for citizenship.
If such is not the case, then they are just as illegal, but the Cuban community is a bit smarter than that, and they do apply legally.
Compare that population to the Haitians that try and come here. It ain't as easy to get past the Coast Guard as you appear to imply, far easier to get in over land, as the Mexican nationals do.
Either way, the bottom line is doing the paperwork legally, or not.
Pretty simple.
49 - Arch Conservative
Yes Michael that goes for cubans too. it goes for the Irish, French, German, Italian, Asians,.......anyone who does it illegally and screws the system over and over.
That clear enough for you?
What I don't understand is why you're ok with being screwed over by this lot.
50 - zingzing
because we're so used to being screwed over by your lot?
51 - Bliffle
I listened in vain to the Bush speech, looking for some indication that he was going to lean on Fox to reform the corrupt mexican government. Alas.
52 - Dave Nalle
An omnibus response to the festival of ignorance and bigotry:
Dave he should've stuck with just point One. After that I think he lost his ultra conservative base.
Yes, well fuck them.
Question, do those illegals get to stay in the country? Answer, yes. Does that mean they can go on reaping the benefits of being in the country when they entered illegally, merely because they go taway with it for 5 years or more?
Yes.
And why is this a problem? We need them here to work. If they want to do their waiting to qualify for citizenship here on a work visa helping our economy, what the hell is wrong with that?
Do you consider that fair when there are plenty of good people who are following the rules still waiting to get into the country in the first place while these illegals are already here?
Plenty of those other people who are waiting are also here on work visas or student visas. There's no rule that says they have to stay out of the US until they qualify for citizenship that would be ridiculous.
And your use of the term 'good people' is offensive. Undocumented aliens are for the most part ALSO good, hard working people.
The card you and the administration are trying to palm is the simple fact that these illegals GET TO STAY in the country while "going to the back of the line" while those following the rules are still waiting in their country of origin for their turn in line.
Except, of course, that this is not true. There are no restrictions on those applying for citizenship from outside the country which would keep them from using all the same means to come here and work and live legally while waiting to qualify.
No Dave. They don't just need to go to the BACK of the line. They need to not be allowed in the line at all. Immigrants from every other country except Mexico are required to be S-C-R-E-E-N-E-D.
Again, did you not see the speech? Did you not read this article. They WILL be screened. Bush said it specificially. The undesirable ones will be ejected and the good ones get to stay.
They will only be considered for citizenship if they have requisite SKILL levels, and then only in numbers that can be REASONABLY accomodated. The fact that Mexican border jumpers can be EXEMPTED from these considerations, which apply to every other country in the world, is JUST AS BAD as being allowed to literally cut into the front of the line!!!
Except, of course, that NONE of what you are saying here is correct. This stuff is just leaping out of your fevered and hate filled brain because it is EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what Bush actually said. I refer you to the White House fact sheet which summarizes his speech. It quotes from the speech:
" Those who meet our conditions should be able to apply for citizenship - but approval will not be automatic, and they will have to wait in line behind those who played by the rules and followed the law."
Plus read the section on ending 'catch and release'. It should allay a lot of your fears. It's specifically focused on making sure that the bad aliens don't get back into circulation.
Michael claims they are going to be forced to pay punitive damages and back taxes.
Actually, President Bush claims that.
Does anyone really believe that they will actually be forced to pay back taxes?
They might in some cases. I don't see it as a major issue, really. Many of them have paid a great deal of tax for many years with few of the benefits. It balances out.
Does anyone actually think they will pay back anything near the level of monetary fines that they have cost this nation?
What does it cost our nation not to have massive inflation because of a labor shortage? Seems like a benefit to the nation to me.
you should also have a problem with the illegals who violate the rule of law?
Illegals don't violate the 'rule of law', they violate a specific law. That law can be changed and their past violation can be dealt with in any of a number of ways. That process is part of the 'rule of law'.
They ARE being rewarded Michael. They came here illegally, stayed here for years illegally, collected income without paying taxes,
You can't generalize and say they paid no taxes. They all paid sales taxes and many of them also had employer-paid taxes taken out of their earnings.
recieved healthcare for which they didn't pay,
Again, you can't generalize this way. Not every illegal immigrant gets free healthcare or even has a need for healthcare.
violated numerous other laws,
Again, an invalid generalization. Only a tiny number of them violate other laws, and no one is suggesting keeping those criminals in the country.
and you think the government's bogus claim that they will be forced to pay back taxes and monetary fines and then become citizens makes it ok?
What it is, is fair. It may not be full restitution, it may not be perfect, but it's perfectly within the government's rights to determine what is a fair penalty, charge it and then let them get on about their business.
Dave
53 - shArk
Although Shark doesn't give a flying fuck about the illegal Messicun problem (my opinion is that if they want the fuckin' country, let 'em have it), but in order to raise the "entertainment" level in this drab, piece of shit "discussion" among xenophobic nutbars and over-zealous Bush defenders that are sorta soundin' kinda way too "liberal" for their own good -- I must point out the disparity between this week's "Blogcritics Bulwer Lytton Award Nominee" and its author's self-professed credentials:
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Worst Opening of the Week goes to Dave Nalle for:
"Confirming many of us in our belief..."
"Dave Nalle has worked as a magazine editor, a freelance writer, a capitol hill staffer, a game designer and a history professor."
...and he never lies, makes a mistake, or exaggerates.
Now back to your regularly scheduled fantasy law-making national smoke-screen.
54 - Michael J. West
What I don't understand is why you're ok with being screwed over by this lot.
Because I understand that the tax dollars and other resources it would take to round up, export, and permanently keep out 11 million people will be far more of a drain on our economy and my wallet than will letting them stay.
55 - Arch Conservative
"Because I understand that the tax dollars and other resources it would take to round up, export, and permanently keep out 11 million people will be far more of a drain on our economy and my wallet than will letting them stay."
Well no shit but despite that fact you display a total lack of any animosity toward these people.
How's this for an idea then Michael.
Instead of using tax dollars to deport them we liquidate all the personal assets that they have when we determine that they are ilegal and use that money to deport them.
Are yous o broken hearted for these poor people that you'd oppose this idea?
56 - Heckler
I like my idea better, Arch. We fine the employers what it costs to send the illegals, their families and their stuff back to their country of origin.
2 birds with one stone.
57 - Dave Nalle
over-zealous Bush defenders that are sorta soundin' kinda way too "liberal" for their own good
Shark, as you should know by now I'm a classical liberal and I've always been for the version of Bush which believes in stuff like rational immigration law and not for the crazier hardline version pushed by his handlers.
-- I must point out the disparity between this week's "Blogcritics Bulwer Lytton Award Nominee" and its author's self-professed credentials:
"Dave Nalle has worked as a magazine editor, a freelance writer, a capitol hill staffer, a game designer and a history professor."
...and he never lies, makes a mistake, or exaggerates.
I don't believe I've ever claimed any of the last three, but I certainly don't lie in articles I write or exaggerate for any purpose other than legitimate use of hyperbole. Mistakes happen, of course. As to my 'credentials', if you have a problem with them I guess I could add movie theater usher, receptionist, camp counselor, electrician's apprentice and data entry clerk - but those ones didn't seem terribly sexy.
Dave
58 - Dave Nalle
Arch, why don't we just kill the parents and sell the children into slavery in Saudia Arabia?
Dave
59 - Arch Conservative
C'mon Dave...isn't that a little extreme?
But seriously what is wrong with seizing and liquidating the ILLEGAL personal assetes of these people in order to fund their deportation?
It seems like if you guys just want to keep on coddling them and ignore their transgressions.
60 - Michael J. West
Well no shit but despite that fact you display a total lack of any animosity toward these people.
That's because I don't feel any animosity towards them. Contrary to what you seem to think, Bing, 99.9% of illegals are not:
-evil.
-hardened criminals.
-Sub-human.
-America-haters.
-Dead set on reclaiming the American southwest as part of Mexico (despite what Michelle Malkin and Nicholas Stix say).
They are, instead, very poor people in one of the world's poorest nations who are so desperate to build a better life that they'll come to America however they have to.
And once they get here they take substandard wages and frequently live in substandard conditions, just like they did back home...except with the added bonus of living in constant fear that the INS will find them and send them back where they came from.
So you're right, Bing. I don't have any animosity towards them. I think they've created a problem in America, sure, but I don't think (as you seem to) that they did so maliciously, and I don't think (as you seem to) that they're amoral monsters with no regard for American society. I'm not sure, if I was in their shoes, that I wouldn't do the same thing.
And frankly, Bing, I'm not sure you wouldn't, either.
P.S. Remember, illegal immigrants get hired in the U.S. because they'll work for less than the minimum wage. How much money do you think you'd get per person if you seized and liquidated their ILLEGAL personal assets? Not even enough to buy them a bus ticket to the border.
61 - Richard Brodie
An omnibus response to the festival of ignorance and bigotry
You certainly do come across as an arrogant son of a bitch. Stick with discussing the facts, and stop already with your own never-ending "festival" of name calling and vainglorious self-congratulation.
You quote from Bush's speech:
"Those who meet our conditions should be able to apply for citizenship - but approval will not be automatic, and they will have to wait in line behind those who played by the rules and followed the law."
That's very reassuring, Dave. So if all these 12 million (probably more like 20 million) Mexicans are going to have to play by the same rules as, let's say India does, then nearly ALL of them will be washed out and denied American citizenship due to the SKILL LEVEL screening which assures that half the population of Casablanca won't be allowed to flood the United States with all those "very poor people in one of the world's poorest nations who are so desperate to build a better life that they'll come to America however they have to." (to quote Michael J. West).
Right! Somehow I think Bush has a cozier relationship with Vicente Fox than he does with Dr. Manmohan Singh. And so Mexico WILL continue to be given preferential treatment and placed, as a nation, IN FRONT OF THE LINE, ahead of every other country on the planet.
62 - Michael J. West
And so Mexico WILL continue to be given preferential treatment and placed, as a nation, IN FRONT OF THE LINE, ahead of every other country on the planet.
Except Cuba.
63 - zingzing
i don't think bing even cares to think it through. he just hates the mexicans. who i'm sure really really bother him in new fucking hampshire or whatever white-bread hobunk 1-stoplight town he lives in.
64 - Lumpy
I'm with zingzing. What I see when I reqd most of what's on here is xenophobia and racism. Brodie is particularly bad but arch con isn't far behind. Why shouldn't we give mexicans a bit of a break on immigrating? They're our friends and neighbors and they have a hell of a lot of oil too. We need peons and they produce them. Bringing them here just makes sense.
65 - Heckler
On emor etime , for those in the cheap seats.
ILLEGAL
There you have it, now run along.
66 - zingzing
so is jaywalking. you ever done that? then fuck off.
illegal or not, it happens. and there is no easy, humane solution to handle it.
stop trying to make this into a black and white issue. it's not.
67 - Richard Brodie
Why shouldn't we give mexicans a bit of a break on immigrating?
Nice! At last an outright admission that it is perfectly OK to let illegal Mexican aliens crowd in front of everyone else on the planet trying to immigrate here LEGALLY.
What I see when I read most of what's on here is xenophobia and racism.
And what I see on here is a form of racism that can only be called Mexiphilia, along of course with legiphobia - the idea that if you think a law is bad then you should be able to ignore it with impunity, rather than tring to get it changed first.
Brodie is particularly bad
Awfully sorry, Lumpy, that I have to shine so much light onto the pollyanna "Mexicans are wonderful poeple" line designed to divert attention away from the fact that there are 5 billion other poor "wonderful" people in the world, and thereby prevent people from thinking about just HOW MANY of these "huddled masses" we can accomodate as new citizens in any given year, month, day, hour, minute, or second, without destroying the American economy, culture, way of life, and standard of living.
68 - Heckler
Hey zing, you fuck off, I'm a law abiding citizen until proven differently in a court of law.
But there is a simple and humane answer, annex Mexico! Make it a state, give them 2 senators and the approprite amount of congressmen.
How's that?
69 - zingzing
you mean the white one, richard? multi-culturalism isn't a bad thing.
ok... let's say the american economy tanks. i mean totally goes down the tubes. are you saying you wouldn't walk right up to canada, go in, and live/work in a place where you can survive in some respectible way?
here you say: "if i did, i would do it legally."
okay, let's say that some other people (like millions) have got the same exact idea that you do and the canadian government tells you that you have to wait years before you will even be considered for citizenship.
so, you look at your life here (utter shit), and then you see all those fancy-free canadians with their cars and their two garages, and their bank accounts and their beer hats and snowmen, then you look at your life again, all poverty and disease and dirt floors.
but them damn canadians won't let you (legally) get a job! you want a car! you want a beer hat!
so, you just go. fuck em. maybe you don't get everything you want, but at least it's better than what you came from. almost anything would be.
and don't tell me you wouldn't. you'd be a canadian before your nipples stiffened up.
70 - zingzing
heckler, you fuckin know that that is stupid.
71 - Michael J. West
Amen, zingzing. Truest comment made on this article yet.
72 - zingzing
what, that heckler knows he's being silly, or that richard is a hypocrite? or that canadians have hard nipples?
73 - Richard Brodie
zing: multi-culturalism isn't a bad thing
If you really wanted to preserve the cultural differences you pretend to value so highly (and which I do honestly value) you would realize that your version of "multi-culturalism" is the worst possible thing.
Your version of multi-culturalism - namely the homogenization of different races and cultures within the same geographical area (nation) - will ultimately and inexorably lead to the obliteration of all diversity, ESPECIALLY in the context of a highly centralized Federalistic political system like ours that seeks to impose nationwide uniform standards, laws, regulations, etc.
My version of "multiculturalism", on the other hand, recognizes that the same social conditions that were necessary to GIVE RISE to a diversity of cultures and races in the first place, will also be necessary for the PRESERVATION of a diverse cultural and racial human landscape - namely the restriction of races and cultures to demographically insulated regions. And I'm not talking about some externally imposed restriction administered by some global authority, but rather a sensible, isolationist policy emanating from within a people having a healthy racial and cultural self-pride.
And here I'm talking about the kind of self-pride which impels the Mexicans to resist allowing their culture to be overrun, either by poor people coming in across their southern borders, or by rich American businessmen coming in across their northern borders.
As far as your ridiculous Canadian scenario, I would only ask you what happens when the Canadian economy turns to crap under invasionary immigration pressure? Do we all then head for Greenland? Better we just put a stop right now to the ThirdWorldization of America.
74 - zingzing
richard: "the restriction of races and cultures to demographically insulated regions"
isn't that called... segregation?
"what happens when the Canadian economy turns to crap under invasionary immigration pressure?"
hmm. i don't know. why don't we see if ours crumbles under the horrific cheap labor scourge. seems to be doing okay so far. do you predict that a massive influx of immigrants will destroy our economy? do you see any historical evidence for that?
75 - Richard Brodie
isn't that called... segregation?
Exactly. And to paraphrase you: "segregation isn't a bad thing"
do you predict that a massive influx of immigrants will destroy our economy? do you see any historical evidence for that?
Rome.