New Home Office rules place citizens almost completely at the mercy of criminals and punish most crimes with little more than a traffic ticket.
While violent crime is on the rise in Britain, the police have decided to throw in the towel and give up on arresting and punishing most criminals. Under new guidelines issued to police by the Home Office, crimes which do not result in personal injury or death should now be dealt with not by arrest and punishment, but with the issuance of a 'caution,' a criminal citation only slightly worse than a traffic ticket.…
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— go to most recent comments26 - Dave Nalle
Zing, did you not even bother to read the last comment before you started typing your yellow dog craziness?
We have less crime than Britain in almost every category and overall. Enormously less as far as propertty crime and general violent crime. Rape and murder - which are both very rare crimes comparataively - are the only areas they do better than we do.
In crimes which impact literally millions of victims gun ownership has helped reduce our crime rate substantially. In crimes which impact a few thousand guns may have contributed to a very small proportion of increase. You do the math.
Like I said before, Americans have made the lifestyle choice that we'd rather have enormously less property crime and pay for it with a few more murder victims. Go back and read #24.
Dave
27 - zingzing
dave, i wrote my comment before your comment went up. shut it.
okay, so you won't get robbed so easily. oh no.
tell me this: next time there is a mass murder, what kind of weapon would you put your money on as the murder weapon? hmm?
"Americans have made the lifestyle choice that we'd rather have enormously less property crime and pay for it with a few more murder victims."
see? that's FUCKING FUCKED UP LOGIC. that is so goddamn stupid. if you are murdered, what the fuck does your goddamn property matter? shit!
28 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Dave, moya drugi,
Sounds to me like "A Clockwork Orange" was not a science fiction story at all, but a warning for a future that has arrived.
29 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Or is that mnyeh drugi? My Russian is pathetic...
30 - Dave Nalle
Mnyah druga preserves agreement in number of the noun and personal pronoun. Drugoi would be plural. Or at least that's how I remember it from when I actually spoke the damned language.
It remains to be seen if this new leniency will be coupled with reprogramming with eyelid clamps and all the modern accoutrements.
And despite what Hoggle said earlier, this new directive DOES represent a significant increase in leniency in that it encourages police to be far less aggresssive and to exercise the optional nature of enforcement even more.
Dave
31 - Dave Nalle
Zing, you seem to have an issue with finding logic to be 'fucked up'.
okay, so you won't get robbed so easily. oh no.
The point you are missing here is that every robbery is a situation which could turn violent. Every break in at a house where people are home could lead to those people being killed or injured and every mugging involves the threat of force which is often followed through on. More robberies means more potential for violence. Fewer robberies is inherently safer for all.
tell me this: next time there is a mass murder, what kind of weapon would you put your money on as the murder weapon? hmm?
Poisoned Kool-Aid? A bomb? An airplane? A gun really isn't well suited to efficient, large-scale murder. It's too noisy, too scary for the victims and not as efficient as other methods. Plus in America all it takes is one armed, competent victim with a gun to shut you down.
Are you familiar with the story of Texas State Legislator Susanna Hupp? If not, check out this article based on her court testimony. She addresses your concern about mass murder from a first-hand perspective.
Dave
32 - zingzing
i don't mean hundreds. or thousands. those are too rare. i'm talking 3 or 4 or 6 or something. like the one in seattle a couple of weeks ago.
as for your inherently violent argument, what's more violent than a gun? and if fewer people had guns, fewer people would get shot in robberies where no guns are present... it's a circular argument. you say that they already have the guns, i say, well, take them away. you say we have to protect ourselves from other peoples guns, i say if they didn't have the damn things in the first place, then you wouldn't need a gun to protect you.
either way you look at it, it's the snake eating its own tail.
you think people are the problem, i think guns are the problem. i can take care of people. i can't take care of a gun.
33 - zingzing
and yeah, your logic is fucked up. your perspective is fucked up. i think you are fucked up. maybe that's because i'm the one who is fucked up. but, whatever.
i can't see anything good about guns. where's that statistic about you being just as likely to kill a family member as you are an intruder?
34 - Dave Nalle
as for your inherently violent argument, what's more violent than a gun?
Odd, my gun is an innanimate object. It just sits there and does nothing at all, even when loaded. It doesn't shoot, doesn't beat people, doesn't even make threatening gestures. It's made of metal and can't do a single thing without a human being picking it up and using it. You can kill someone with a shovel. Is it inherently violent? The act of digging certainly seems violent, but is that violence inherent in the shovel?
and if fewer people had guns, fewer people would get shot in robberies where no guns are present... it's a circular argument. you say that they already have the guns, i say, well, take them away. you say we have to protect ourselves from other peoples guns, i say if they didn't have the damn things in the first place, then you wouldn't need a gun to protect you.
Except that there is no practical way to take the guns away from criminals, plus they have a huge deterrent value in discouraging crimes. Criminals may not fear jail time, but they DO fear an armed homeowner.
you think people are the problem, i think guns are the problem. i can take care of people. i can't take care of a gun.
I think you have this exactly backwards. You can't actually control the people. They're the random factor. The gun is entirely predictable.
i can't see anything good about guns. where's that statistic about you being just as likely to kill a family member as you are an intruder?
That's a matter of situational training. Accidental firearm fatalities are down to under 300 a year in the US, down 75% from where they were 75 years ago. Studies suggest that firearms prevent somewhere around 700,000 crimes a year in the US. You might want to take a look at this collection of studies on the impact of guns on crime.
Dave
35 - zingzing
what else does a gun do but shoot bullets? your argument is crap. what else is the fucking thing for?
if you make all guns illegal, guns will gradually disappear. not altogether, but most.
i meant that there is nothing i can do to stop a gun. if someone fires a gun at me, they will probably kill me. if someone throws a punch, i'll be alright.
i like this stat from ichv.org:
In 1998 (the most recent year for which this data has been compiled), handguns murdered:
* 373 people in Germany
* 151 people in Canada
* 57 people in Australia
* 19 people in Japan
* 54 people in England and Wales, and
* 11,789 people in the United States
funny, eh? that's good old murder, not accidental deaths, not suicides. m-u-r-d-e-r. your 700,000 petty thefts don't have shit on my 12,000 corpses.
also there's the fact that keeping a gun in your home increases the chances of a family member being murdered by almost 3 times, and it is 5 times as likely that someone in your family will kill themselves. i'm sure you can find that in the same spot.
i will never own or shoot a gun. because i don't want to die, and i don't want my friends and family to die.
it's not a perfect world. think of your argument on a world level. do you want iran having nukes? prolly not. don't like the idea. why do they want nukes? because they are afraid of us. what's the solution? get rid of all the nukes! will it happen? nah... people suck. should iran have nukes? fuck, no. just because there is no solution to the problem doesn't mean it's a fucking mess that we got ourselves into. well, not "we." just the stupid wankers who want to play around with weapons. then again, go back to that statistic. 54 gun murders? damn... that's PRETTY FUCKING LOW!
36 - zingzing
ahem: Just because there is no solution to the problem doesn't mean it's NOT a fucking mess that we got ourselves into.
37 - Dave Nalle
what else does a gun do but shoot bullets? your argument is crap. what else is the fucking thing for?
The function of a gun is indeed to shoot bullets, but it will not shoot them without a human hand to pull the trigger.
if you make all guns illegal, guns will gradually disappear. not altogether, but most.
Except that every case where prohibition of guns or other substances has been tried it has not worked. Even in the UK with their stringent gun controls there are substantial number of handgun deaths.
i like this stat from ichv.org:
In 1998 (the most recent year for which this data has been compiled), handguns murdered:
No, handguns did NOT murder anyone. People murdered other people and happened to use guns to do it.
* 373 people in Germany
* 151 people in Canada
* 57 people in Australia
* 19 people in Japan
* 54 people in England and Wales, and
* 11,789 people in the United States
The term 'murder' is incorrect here. The number you quote for the US refers specifically to gun homicide - that's a figure for all people killed by guns, not those who are murdered. Murder is an intentional act. Homicide is a much broader category which includes manslaughter, self-defense accidents and other deaths involving guns. Over half of the handgun homicides in the US are classed as defense of self, others or property and considered justifiable homicide, not murder.
funny, eh? that's good old murder, not accidental deaths, not suicides. m-u-r-d-e-r. your 700,000 petty thefts don't have shit on my 12,000 corpses.
As I pointed out, it's more like 5,000 actual murders. The rest are mostly crimes prevented by defensive use of guns. And calling property crimes 'petty' shows that you live pretty isolated from the real world. You're also minimizing all the other crimes guns prevent, including numerous rapes and potential murders. Plus, every mugging or burglary is a potential murder and the less people are able to defend themselves the worse the violence gets.
also there's the fact that keeping a gun in your home increases the chances of a family member being murdered by almost 3 times, and it is 5 times as likely that someone in your family will kill themselves. i'm sure you can find that in the same spot.
Yes, there are all sorts of fictional statistics on gun control sites. They routinely make up numbers to support their positions which are wildly different from the real numbers, as demonstrated from the figures you reference above which compare murder figures in the other countries with homicide figures for the US. In addition, you can't consider gun deaths out of the context of overall violent death, because where guns are absent other causes of death increase to compensate.
You might want to spend some time on the Department of Justice website to get some real figures, or even use guncite.com, where I refer you to this study which debunks the causal relationship between guns and the suicide rate.
i will never own or shoot a gun. because i don't want to die, and i don't want my friends and family to die.
If you're so unstable that you think that your ownership or use of a gun will lead to you killing friends and family, then I'd definitely stay away from them.
(completely irrelevant iranian nuke issue ignored)
All I see here is irrational fear driving an extreme, biased and unrealistic attack on gun rights. Pretty much a microcosm of the entire attack on gun ownership.
Dave
38 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
M'nyoi drugoi,
Having lived in America for several decades, and now living in Israel, I have to observe that culture and attitude towards weapons makes a real difference in murder rates.
In the 1998 numbers that Zingzing cited, of the 12 thousand and some change deaths from handguns, over 11 thousand were in the United States. That says something about the attitude towards weapons there.
I have no solutions and pretend to none. But two Israeli (Jews), both of whom carry heat, can get into a shouting match here without anyone so much as imagining pulling a handgun. I do not think this would be true in America.
39 - Dave Nalle
Ruvy, I'm not sure the scenario you describe at the end of your comment would end in violence in most cases in the US. That sort of on the street shootout is extremely uncommon except among gang members where they go out looking to shoot each other in the first place. Two CCL carriers meeting on the street and arguing are NOT going to shoot each other. They are about the most law abiding and non-violent people in the country. In the first 7 years of CCL in Florida they had only 4 incidents involving license holders.
Dave
40 - zingzing
wow. i agree with ruvy again. maybe other countries can hold guns, but not america. we are too weak for it.
dave--your excuses for guns are weak. you keep up with the n.r.a. bullshit excuses and ignore the facts that guns are used to kill, nothing else. you dismiss my arguments as fantasy, when i see you scratching your nuts with a loaded pistol and thinking all is well.
and what about the iranian comment was irrelevant? the killing potential? the deterrant argument? the obvious correlation?
pussy. come on.
41 - Dave Nalle
Zing, your hatred of America and your delusional denial of facts seem to go hand inhand. There's nothing in what I've posted from the NRA. The data is taken from objective sources and yet you continue to deny and deny.
The fact is that the US is ideally suited to public gun ownership because we have the cultural background and experience to deal with guns maturely and responsibly. In fact, the more accessible guns are the better for peace and safety in society.
I know you just ignore all the facts I provide, but here's one last one for you to think about.
Florida passed the Concealed Carry law in 1987. During the next decade the national homicide rate went down by .4%. The homicide rate in Florida went down over that decade by 36%. During that decade the firearm homicide rate nationwide went up by 15%. In Florida in that same period the firearm homicide rate went down by 37%.
The availability of guns in the hands of responsible and trained citizens deters crime, regardless of how many ill-informed denials you choose to make.
Dave
42 - Christopher Rose
"The fact is that the US is ideally suited to public gun ownership because we have the cultural background and experience to deal with guns maturely and responsibly. In fact, the more accessible guns are the better for peace and safety in society."
Somebody call the Guiness World Records team, Dave's excelled himself!
After a considerable break for laughter, I've recovered enough to remind Dave, not for the first time, that it doesn't seem beyond the wit and wisdom of the most powerful country in the world to disarm a relatively small bunch of criminals.
This would remove most of your current favourite justification for owning a weapon regardless of how many ill-informed justifications you choose to make.
Your excessive and presumptious zeal in favour of all things American and its way of life as somehow preferable or superior is as predictable and misplaced as it is tedious and frankly not a little offensive.
I'd like to see a little more zeal for objective reality you claim to endorse rather than this partisan position you appear to hold but never quite seem to be able to come to terms with.
Puzzled of Manchester
43 - Dave Nalle
After a considerable break for laughter, I've recovered enough to remind Dave, not for the first time, that it doesn't seem beyond the wit and wisdom of the most powerful country in the world to disarm a relatively small bunch of criminals.
I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here. We do disarm our criminals. It is illegal for a convicted felon to own a firearm even after they have served their jail term.
Personally I think we ought to automatically increase all criminal sentences for crimes in which a gun was used, and I think that will eventually happen.
The answer to gun crime is not to go after the guns, but to go after the criminal and punish the crime.
The problem is that as demonstrated in Britain, you can disarm the public, but that doesn't disarm the criminals, all it does is make it easier for them to abuse their victims in safety.
Dave
44 - zingzing
dave--yes, i hate america. thank you. fuck america. land of worthless people.
you are so full of shit sometimes.
you go and own your gun, you point it at people. you point that fucking thing in the wrong person's face, they're going to put you in the ground. ever heard of a culture of violence? yeah, well, you contribute. every single gun (death mechanism that it is) contributes. a gun is a delivery system for a bullet into someone/thing who doesn't want it. if you want to use a gun on yourself, go for it. but when you point that thing at anyone else, just remember the look on their face. it's going to be on yours pretty soon.
i feel my chances of dying by a gun are significantly lower than yours are. should you use it in self-defense, chances are the other idiot will have a gun as well. if you kill that person, the guilt (hey--you just killed someone) might drive you to use it on yourself. should you become angry with your significant other, you have the option to blow her fucking head off. should your child (god forbid...) get ahold of said gun, they might kill themself (i had a friend in middle school who was found all over his driveway). i, on the other hand, have only seen one gun in my life. i don't plan on seeing another. if i do, i think that i'd rather be long gone rather than standing there, quaking with fear, trying to decide if i should take another person's life.
there are good and bad points to guns. the "good" ones are relatively few and only relative to the fact that guns exist in our society at all. the "bad" ones are things like death, murder, crime, assasination, suicide, threats, violence, gangs, snipers, execution, etc.
by the way-- i don't hate america. i don't want to kill anything in it. my hatred for america... you're laughable. guns are not an american way of life. they are an american mistake.
45 - Dave Nalle
Zing, your mindless fear and irrationality largely speak for themselves. Your attitude towards guns just doesn't make any sense. It's a pathological condition.
I had a friend in school who committed suicide too. He didn't need a gun to do it and he's just as dead.
you go and own your gun, you point it at people. you point that fucking thing in the wrong person's face, they're going to put you in the ground.
This is exactly what you don't get. I don't point my gun at people. Ever. I'm properly trained and know how to use a gun. That includes not pointing it at people unless you are willing to shoot them and end their lives.
ever heard of a culture of violence? yeah, well, you contribute. every single gun (death mechanism that it is) contributes. a gun is a delivery system for a bullet into someone/thing who doesn't want it. if you want to use a gun on yourself, go for it. but when you point that thing at anyone else, just remember the look on their face. it's going to be on yours pretty soon.
You just don't get it at all. You don't NEED to point a gun at anyone. The fact that people own them and could use them provides the deterrent effect which discourages crim, especially when concealed carry is an option. Despite CCL being legal in Texas I don't even carry a gun. I don't need to. The fact that I could be carrying one is enough to deter a lot of criminals.
i feel my chances of dying by a gun are significantly lower than yours are. should you use it in self-defense, chances are the other idiot will have a gun as well. if you kill that person, the guilt (hey--you just killed someone) might drive you to use it on yourself. should you become angry with your significant other, you have the option to blow her fucking head off.
Do you get the fact that none of the things you talk about here are caused by the gun, but by dysfunctional people?
should your child (god forbid...) get ahold of said gun, they might kill themself
My children are properly instructed and know never to touch a gun.
Problems with guns come from those who are ignorant and who approach them with irrational fear. I'm glad you don't have a gun. You'd be a danger to yourself and others. But it's to your credit that you realize you lack the responsibility and stability to own a gun.
there are good and bad points to guns. the "good" ones are relatively few and only relative to the fact that guns exist in our society at all. the "bad" ones are things like death, murder, crime, assasination, suicide, threats, violence, gangs, snipers, execution, etc.
Sniper deaths in the US are virtually non-existent, and no one is even considering banning long-guns. And we haven't executed anyone by firing squad in at least 40 years. All the other things you cite are prevented by guns more than they are facilitated.
Dave
46 - zingzing
let's agree to disagree. i think you're dangerous to society. you think i'm fearful. well, i am. i hate guns, and i can't believe that america has let this thing go one for so long that we have to have a gun in order to feel safe from all the guns that are around. it's fear that drives the second amendment. and now it's fear that drives the people who want to ban guns. you say that owning a gun means you won't get shot by one. i'm saying that not have guns around means you won't get shot by one. you could look at either side.
but the fact that you don't think guns are dangerous, or even increase the danger of the dangerous people out there, just shows how closely you cuddle with your fucking gun at night.
i find your reasoning irrational. it just doesn't jive. you don't decrease the danger of violence by facilitating and furthering the reality of its existence.
but whatever. i think you've got your gun too far up your butt to see it for what it is. and i'm sure you think i just don't want to understand. i do. but i can't.
47 - Dave Nalle
Zing, how did you know I cuddle with my gun at night? I was actually sleeping with one of my guns hanging from my bedpost recently during a rash of crank-head burglaries in our neighborhood.
But I don't think it's fear that drives the second amendment except maybe fear of an oppressive government. In the main I think it's a desire to be self reliant, which includes self defense, and that's a basic American value.
Dave
48 - zingzing
learn karate dave. you try the self-defense thing. if you win, good for you. if you lose... a loaded gun is a bit like a loaded gun.
49 - Dave Nalle
So it's okay if I beat someone to death with my bare hands? What if the criminal who shows up at my door has a gun and mine has been seized by the state? Oh well, guess I can enjoy being a victim. Or I can try my karate on him and get shot and be dead. Frankly I'd prefer a situation where he ends up dead and my family and myself remain aiive.
And just for the record I have trained in several martial arts both with and without weapons.
Dave
50 - My Opinion, That's All
Oh, what a scene! I can see the headlines now: "Man Stops Bandit's Bullet Using Karate Chop". I wonder if Chuck Norris could stop a bullet or six?
51 - My opinion, That's All
Nothing Protects Like Smith & Wesson.
I am also trained in fire arms from assault rifles to 9mm. Being a smaller woman, I know I couldn't stop a guy breaking into my house. I feel safer knowing I have a fire arm hidden somewhere in my house.
52 - Rufus
Is this where I can win a new computer?
53 - MCH
"And just for the record I have trained in several martial arts both with and without weapons."
- Dave Nalle
Nalle, you remind me of the big, loud-mouthed bully in "Karate Kid" that the quiet, little old man (Pat Morita) chopped to pieces...
54 - Dave Nalle
College sports requirement, MCH. Had to spend 1 credit hour a semester doing some sort of physical education activity for two years. Plus my mom was a competitive fencer and encouraged me to take fencing classes in Russia, and I carried on for several years back in the states. I guess I could bully you with a rapier if I had to. They can leave nasty welts on the backs of your legs.
Dave
55 - Dave Nalle
Oh, what a scene! I can see the headlines now: "Man Stops Bandit's Bullet Using Karate Chop". I wonder if Chuck Norris could stop a bullet or six?
I've seen a guy catch bullets in his teeth, so I guess it's possible. Wouldn't want to try it myself.
I am also trained in fire arms from assault rifles to 9mm. Being a smaller woman, I know I couldn't stop a guy breaking into my house. I feel safer knowing I have a fire arm hidden somewhere in my house.
I believe zing and the British government would prefer that you just hide in a closet and let your house get robbed.
Dave
56 - MCH
"Had to spend 1 credit hour a semester doing some sort of physical education activity for two years. Plus my mom was a competitive fencer and encouraged me to take fencing classes in Russia, and I carried on for several years back in the states. I guess I could bully you with a rapier if I had to. They can leave nasty welts on the backs of your legs."
- Dave Nalle
You got the easy part done, Nalle. Everybody has a plan until they get hit.
It doesn't surprise me that the same guy who WRITES/TALKS about military invasions, also feels the need to WRITE/TALK about how tough he thinks he is...
57 - Dave Nalle
Well, I've got to be prepared. I never know when a nutcase from the internet who keeps making unmerited personal attacks might come down here and try to kidnap my family for some reason that only makes sense in their squirrel-like brain.
But of course, just like I've never supported military invasion as a national policy, I've also never claimed to be a king fu master or all that tough. Like most of your bizarre beliefs those things are entirely in your head.
Dave
58 - My Opinion, That's All
Catching bullet with one's teeth would wreak havoc one one's dental plan! I bet this guy buys stock in bullet-roof dentures.
59 - sr
Holy crap. I remember the term raining cats and dogs. Now It's raining dip-stick liberals. Not sure where to jump in on this thread. For those who have read my past comments you know my direction and it wont be pleasent. Excellent blog Dave. GLOCKS ROCK. sr. See you later. El Stupido Away.
60 - MCH
"Holy crap. I remember the term raining cats and dogs. Now It's raining dip-stick liberals."
- sr
So true, so true. Those "dip-stick liberals" are far worse than those chicken hawk conservatives.
61 - Dave Nalle
Appreciate it, SR. But I have to say that Glocks are plastic crap with no style at all and only popular because of the kickbacks they give law enforcement. Give me a Colt 1911 instead anytime.
And it's always raining dip-stick liberals. Some call it 'The Devil's Rain', but to me that will always just be a bad movie with Ernest Borgnine as an Amishman.
Dave
62 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
A week or two ago we had target practice for our pistols (little tiny Barettas) and I was looking over some serious gear - a serious business pistol that could bring down anybody. Saw a lot of nice stuff from Czechoslovakia. Ah, if only I had the money...
63 - Dave Nalle
Doesn't the ridiculously bulky and powerful Desert Eagle originate in Israel, Ruvy?
Dave
64 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Maybe, Dave I don't know. We did develop the Galil (based on the Kalashnikov), but that's a rifle, unfortunately no longer in production. I would have liked to see dome native brands for sale in the shop I went to, but didn't.
I saw a heavy duty Beretta, a Glock and this Czech gun whose name I forgot.
65 - sr
Dear Dave,
Love the Colt 1911. Spent many years with this beautiful creature. No plastic in Glocks. It's called Polimer. Not even close to plastic. I own several Glock's. All 45ACP. Shoot at my club range often. To own a Glock, to shoot a Glock, and to carry a Glock is better then sex. Of course Im sixty something yrs old. What would I know about sex. I'll take the Glock. Just dont tell my wife Dave. Glocks also will not rust if your caught in a downpour [Edited]. Just ask Ernest Borgnine. GLOCKS ROCK.
66 - Dave Nalle
What, no Uzis, Ruvy?
SR, 'polymer' is fancy talk for plastic. There are all kinds of plastic. The Glock is probably made with something equivalent to high tensile nylon, which is a pretty good material. I still like a heavier gun.
Dave
67 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Dave, an Uzi is like a light Beretta, only shooting bullets a lot faster. It lets you throw a grenade with one hand while shooting with the other. I don't have any grenades.
I like a gun that does the job in one shot. I may not have time for a second.
Sr, are you SURE that playing with a Glock is better than sex? If the whole male sex becomes persuaded of this notion, this will be the last generation of mankind.
68 - Dave Nalle
I know, Ruvy, but it is manufactured in Israel, so it's a local product.
Dave
69 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
I decided to Google up pistols manufactured in Israel - found a really interesting bunch of items - led by the Desert Eagle. One of these days I'm going to have to spend a whole morning in a gun shop learning about the locally made guns - I fear sooner than later...
70 - sr
OK Dave, I'll except plastic. The 1911 and Glock will do what's necessary. Send a 45ACP Golden or Silver Saber round at the intended target. I also use 45ACP Shotshells. It allows for target acquisition if the wiskey get's in your way.
Ruvy, I am the last generation of mankind. Spent to many years with my Glock. Would love to have an Uzi. If you would like Elvira will send you some grenades. Just seeing if she watching this.
Ruvy, The Desert Eagle. Thats some serious deniro. If I ever win the lottery big time I will buy one for you, Dave and me. That's a promise.
Someday I will talk about my other great love. The AK 47. Full auto at night with tracers. Thats serious sex.
Commenting about firearms and wiskey I have no clue what this frecking blog is about. Pit Bulls I think. GLOCKS RULE.
71 - Dave Nalle
Shot shells will destroy your barrel, SR. But I do look forward to getting my Desert Eagle. Or if you will, make it a .577 Webley Boxer instead. Might as well have absolutely ridiculous firepower.
Dave
72 - sr
Dave, been around firearms all my life but what the heck is a .577 Webley Boxer? I know what a barbara boxer is. Think it's some kind of liberal bitch senator from Gayfrisco or something like that. Didn't she if I recall had a thing going on with that East coast senator. Teddy something.
Will debate shot shells another day.
Wish I could tell you and Ruvy your Desert Eagle is in the mail. If that was so Dave, We would be flying on EL Israel at my expense to meet up with Ruvy. Then we can try out our better then sex Desert Eagle's at Ruvy's gun range. Is that a plan or what? Holy Kosher Batman.
73 - Dave Nalle
Dave, been around firearms all my life but what the heck is a .577 Webley Boxer? I know what a barbara boxer is. Think it's some kind of liberal bitch senator from Gayfrisco or something like that. Didn't she if I recall had a thing going on with that East coast senator. Teddy something.
She couldn't even pick up one of these. If she fired it she'd be looking for her arm somewhere behind her.
The Boxer is one of several pistols built around the .577 cartridge which was used in big game rifles starting in the 1870s on. There are .577 and .600 versions of the Desert Eagle, but the Desert Eagle is a modern automatic. I want a Boxer because it's a classic Wild West era gun for Cowboy Action Shooting. It's basically a relatively compact revolver with a short, extremely fat cartridge. Here's a link to a drawing of the Boxer and a link to a drawing of the cartridge. Note that the cartridge is 1.8cm or so in diameter. I can tell you one would cost WAY more than a Desert Eagle. Cartridges cost $5 or more each if you can find them.
Dave
74 - zingzing
mhhmm. you want to be a cowboy. a cowboy who could blow a bull's head off at 50 paces. yes. and you live where?
75 - Dave Nalle
Texas, of course, Zing. Where else?
Dave