On Monday's broadcast of The 700 Club, Christian Coalition founder, televangelist, '88 presidential candidate, and friend-o-Bush Pat Robertson unloaded on Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, saying, "We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability," and accusing Chavez of intending to create a "launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism" in Venezuela.…
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126 - Mark the Sane and Sensible
"...done more to promote anti-Semitism than any other religiously intolerant group"
This is another reason why you're not a real Jew, because you don't know that Islam has always been the primary haven for Jew haters.
127 - Silas Kain
I'm sure the prosepcts of some S&M may be very interesting to you, Silas.
Sorry, sweetie, not all fags are into S&M. And if that was your pick up line, forget it, I'm not into dudes with lots of baggage.
This is another reason why you're not a real Jew, because you don't know that Islam has always been the primary haven for Jew haters.
You say being a Jew is part of being a race. Therefore, genetically, I would be half Jew. Being a Jew has to do with faith; nonetheless, your Judaism does not make you the spokessman for the entire faith. There is no papacy in Judaism. So when you speak for my Jewish ancestors you do not speak in their name but your own. Your Pharisaic form of Judaism is tantamount to extremist Islam. You knew that already. I used to view you as an ingnorant hated-filled twerp. Now I see your posts and I smile. You do more to hasten the downfall of neoconservative philosophies than I ever could. And for that I am profoundly grateful -- keep up the good work, my love!
128 - gonzo marx
Mark of the SS sez...
*And tell me, how can you profit from that "Understanding"?*
well now..i do tend to consider adding to personal knowledgebase as well as greater comprehension and integration of information to be personally profitable
how about you?
Excelsior!
129 - Mark the Sane and Sensible
"well now..i do tend to consider adding to personal knowledgebase as well as greater comprehension and integration of information to be personally profitable"
But how is this possible when you read essentially the same themes discussed here in every blog dealing with politics? By the time you reach 50, there is nothing new under the sun. Everything worth knowing has already been learned. If not, you are in serious trouble because you just weren't paying attention enough.
130 - gonzo marx
impossible for any Man to Know all there is to know
you think my readnig is only here and about politics?
silly silly person...
this particular venue helps me understand people, not politics..and as far as that goes, once you have read Lao Tzu, Machiavelli, and Sun Tzu..you have the basics of politics for as long as we remain human beings...only the details change...
now..how do YOU profit from writing as you do, as well as spending your time here?
Excelsior!
131 - Mark the Sane and Sensible
"now..how do YOU profit from writing as you do, as well as spending your time here?"
Liberals need to be viciously attacked for their treasonous, trecherous, anti-traditional, and egalitarian ideas. I am not interested in forging common ground. I already understand what YOU PEOPLE are all about. That's why I write what I write, to express my utter contempt for YOU (inclusive) and all that YOU (inclusive) stand for.
132 - gonzo marx
ah..i see, so you are interested in nothing but spewing hate speech against any you feel fall into what you perceive as your sterotypical scapegoat/enemy
tell me...were you bottle or breast fed?
and is your brown shirt on a bit tight?
Excelsior!
133 - Mark the Sane and Sensible
"so you are interested in nothing but spewing hate speech"
How is it any different from any blogger here that ridicules our President, his policies, authority, authority figures, the military, or America in general?
You fight hate speech with even more hate speech until the enemy is flummoxed to the point where they break down a cry about being treated so poorly, like some have here. Just ask David Mark how he likes being called a self-hating Jew, which he is for reasons that I explained earlier.
134 - gonzo marx
i understand, you are one of those that beleive the Ends Justify the Means...
fair enough, i guess, but i do consider that to be ethically bankrupt as an approach to life, and being an Independant politically..it remains one of my biggest problems with neocons...
you go right ahead and enjoy your little bund hate fest, and try not to trip on the irony of exemplifying all that you proclaim to despise so much...
any Goal that is sought after via the use of lies, hate and the other tactics you espouse obviously cannot stand under it's own merits
Rand would be so pleased with your mangling of the Objectivist ethic..."where is John Galt?"...simplicity itself...he was clubbed like a baby seal and prison raped by Mark of the SS here...
do go on, "Big Brother"...thrill more with your "newspeak"...i bet you can get a smile out of Tokyo Rose
Excelsior!
135 - nugget
mark: one question a little offtopic.
I remember you professing your atheism. Is this true? If it is I don't understand your absolutist sentiments. I mean I understand them, but I don't understand YOUR adherence specifically. It seems to me that a true atheist would be much better off if he succombed (especially in politics) to a relativistic philo. Death is rather trite and commonplace for an atheist no?
And how does that coincide with your good and evil statements you made in a few other threads?
Mind you i'm only curious because I believe in God, and am in no way associated with the left or muslim cleric apologists. (or the right for that matter)
136 - Mark the Sane and Sensible
"i understand, you are one of those that beleive the Ends Justify the Means..."
You know I've read THE PRINCE.
"any Goal that is sought after via the use of lies, hate and the other tactics you espouse obviously cannot stand under it's own merits"
have you considered the same thing of Adam Ash, David Mark, and the other bloggers that unfairly and viciously impugn our President and the war in Iraq?
137 - gonzo marx
i consider the same for ANYONE that attempts the ends justify the means baseline postulate
as for criticisms of the current Administration...there are plenty based on strictly factual and philosophical grounds
i am not one to suffer Fools gladly, nor do i eagerly swallow anything merely because it comes from some voice of "authority"
i tend to Question everything...such as an Administration made up entirely of folks from the oil/gas/coal/energy Industries, under whose watch gasoline prices have doubled in the last 4 years or so...
but i Questioned things about Slick Willie too...i remain an equal opportunity Jester...not being a member of either political "gang"
easy enough to see what "colors" you profess to wear, and even on the very few points where i might find some agreement with parts of your espoused Idealogy..i would and will ALWAYS fight against your methodology...cuz i really dislike fascists...
nuff said?
Excelsior!
138 - Mark the Sane and Sensible
"nor do i eagerly swallow anything merely because it comes from some voice of "authority ... i tend to Question everything..."
Children are supposed to grow up and get with the program and stop all that rebellious nonsense. This is the major flaw of the baby boom.
"such as an Administration made up entirely of folks from the oil/gas/coal/energy Industries, under whose watch gasoline prices have doubled in the last 4 years or so..."
Then work in the oil/gas/coal industries and get your hands on some of that bounty instead of being jealous or resentful of their business acumen.
139 - Dave Nalle
After looking over the energy bill I'm firmly convinced that the influence of the energy industry people in the Bush administration is largely positive. The amount dedicated to alternative fuels and hybrid vehicles is truly signfiicant, and the tax breaks for the energy industry are designed to motivate them to build refinery capacity, which is the real bottleneck causing high prices right now. I think painting their influence as solely a negative is grossly unfair.
Dave
140 - Mark the Sane and Sensible
"I think painting their influence as solely a negative is grossly unfair."
This is what some people do, Dave, complain about capitalism when they aren't able to dip their bread in all that good gravy. They are spoiled and resentful children not getting their candy.
141 - Dave Nalle
Mark, it's largely that they just don't think things through to their logical outcomes, and make statements and take positions based on what ideology dictates rather than what reason would suggest if they were to follow it. It's easier to operate without thinking and with all your answers canned in advance for you by Pat Robertson or FreeRepublic or Noam Chomsky or Moveon.org.
If they thought about things they wouldn't be able to stay in the comfortable cocoon of ideological brotherhood, because reason contradicts so much of what they hold dear - and this is just as true for extremists on the right as on the left.
Dave
142 - ninja
After 141 submissions here, has anyone been enriched?
Did anyone here learn something new? Were suspicions verified?
What is the essence of Mr. Robertson’s purpose? Is he here to offer special advice to humans seeking a spiritual experience, or his he here to corrupt the human experience of spiritual beings?
143 - charlie
prediction: within week's time some prominent minister, likely tv personality, will claim that destruction of new oroleans was punishmnwnt for their sins.
144 - sherry
pat, you are the the most hateful person, how can you call yourself a Christian.it's obvious you are working for the devil and will soon be in your own
hell as you are not getting any younger.
sherry
145 - Silas Kain
After 141 submissions here, has anyone been enriched?
Of course we have.
146 - nugget
It's apparant that mark S&S was only interested in a rhetorical battle royale. Either that or it was a great and funny shtick. I believe the latter. I think he was playing trixies with hardcore liberals for his own amusement. I doubt he was any more right (or left) than anyone else here. I don't think he was an atheist and I just think he wanted to expose some hateful people. He didn't crack margaret but still he got everyone riled up. He's probably in between jobs as well, or on a long vacation. No one has that kind of time. (ok shark does) anyways political threads are now boring because Mark is not posting anymore. ...
147 - Marcia L. Neil
There's no reason to deploy firearms at any shrine site unless some sort of mass conscription is attempted or desecration demanded using same. Most shrine sites are not also 'hip hop' scenarios, because only one [or more? what the tours are supposed to learn...] has a well-protected, mucousal oracle bead chronicle underneath -- a tiny archeological artifact.
148 - Mark the Sane and Sensible
"I doubt he was any more right"
Wrong, nugget. Liberalism/progressivism is a cancer on society and deserves to be thwarted. Politics are war, not a tea party.
149 - nugget
fair enough mark. But why do you care so much? You seem to be a smart guy. Why don't you make money, read dostoyevsky, drink a good german beer and let political mudslingers have it out?
"Liberalism/progressivism is a cancer on society and deserves to be thwarted. Politics are war, not a tea party."
I guess I agree. But in the same sense, I don't view the Right and Left to be absolutes. I am brave enough to admit absolutes, yes, but politics? Aldous Huxley said that politics was the most superficial of the studies. Why not duke it out with deep-thinking philosophers/musicians/artists rather than a bunch of hokie journalists???
150 - Mark the Sane and Sensible
"You seem to be a smart guy."
Not according to bob a. booey, who accused me of being, among other things, poor (in the economic sense), poorly educated, illiterate, and a poor writer. But I thank you, nevertheless.
"Aldous Huxley said that politics was the most superficial of the studies."
I know, but Huxley was also a mescaline abuser and very likely, "too cool for the room," if you get my meaning.
Why not duke it out with deep-thinking philosophers/musicians/artists rather than a bunch of hokie journalists???
The interesting thing is that people like bob a. booey et. al. fancy themselves as the former, rather than the latter. Hence, they need to be knocked off their lofty perches, don't you think?
151 - nugget
mescaline, as in peyote? Well that's understandable considering his philo about the practicality of hallucinogenics. (50 years before his time mind you)
to answer your question, yes, and thus far it's been a fun read. I'm sure it is frustrating because most of your dissenters aren't arguing fairly and HATE the name-calling.
152 - Mark the Sane and Sensible
"I'm sure it is frustrating because most of your dissenters aren't arguing fairly and HATE the name-calling."
More frustrating for them because I'm relentless. Growing up in Brooklyn forces you to grow a very thick skin and develop a very sharp tongue, otherwise, you would have been eaten alive.
I am an atheist, but I'm different from the rest that I don't have this hang up about the so-called "separation between church and state." If I see the Ten Commandments on a courthouse or a nativity creche in a public place I'm not going to run to the ACLU and file suit.
153 - nugget
well that's certainly a relief. I think I mentioned this before, and I don't expect to go into this, but I find absolutist admissions hard to stomach coming from an atheist. There are no absolutes without some mystic authority. Otherwise, relativity (specifically moral relativity) reigns supreme unless humans believe and adhere to some stable (and false) perfection. Just a rhetorical afterthought.
154 - Mark the Sane and Sensible
"There are no absolutes without some mystic authority."
I don't agree. I base my own absolutism on my own perception and judgment, not anyone else's.
155 - nugget
no doubt that is very fair, mark, and I admire that insight, but people aren't that strong. I'm sure, like so many others, you try to improvise and create life based on your instincts. I agree that looking out for number one is wise, but I refuse to believe in chance or man's ability to reason. Men are animals and rationalism is impossible. Democracy is based on a metaphysical character. As much as liberals hate this idea, a constitution without a universal right-giver is nil and void. Who's to say man has rights? man?? Do you really believe, like Ayn Rand, that we won't blow ourselves into oblivion because of our saving grace, objectivism??
156 - Marcia L. Neil
Judging from the mass media journalism, there's been quite a bit of scuffling at the Mexican border recently -- from some point of view, at least, partially aimed at our own Pennsylvania shrine site -- to consult the oracle.
Taking out Venezuelan Chavez would be just another such task.