On Monday's broadcast of The 700 Club, Christian Coalition founder, televangelist, '88 presidential candidate, and friend-o-Bush Pat Robertson unloaded on Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, saying, "We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability," and accusing Chavez of intending to create a "launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism" in Venezuela.…
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— go to most recent comments76 - Nancy
Now if we want to talk about a group that has been horrifically abused (and still is) since the dawn of time, let's talk about what women have suffered & still suffer at the hands of men...!
77 - Marcia L. Neil
The imbroglio can be clarified -- no one should plan to march up to a shrine without an invitation and an escort. Without regard to international role and status, the shooting might begin. The false adulation of evangelists has been exposed -- they are supposed to be helping to document a Pennsylvania shrine site, and contain [in jar or bowl] an oracle bead chronicle protected underneath the limestone monument. They are not, as example, supposed to 'sponsor' music lacking sound spectrograph identification.
78 - Silas Kain
OK, Marcia, you lost me at imbroglio.
79 - Mark the Sane and Sensible
Al: they fought eye for an eye when I lived there in the mid 70s. Things have now changed for the worst since Netanyahu was out. Bibi was my favorite of all time. I didn't shed a tear for Rabin. Peres and Barak were failures. Sharon is a sell-out.
80 - Silas Kain
I didn't shed a tear for Rabin.
Mark, this one sentence sums it up for me where you are concerned. Yitzak Rabin was a man of peace who had a clear vision of what the new Middle East should be. Netanyahu, a modern day Juan Peron, is as dangerous as Arafat once was. Because Rabin was gunned down by a fellow Jew, you shed not a tear. What would you have said had Rabin been gunned down by an Arab? Somehow, I think you would have used it to your advantage in your crusade-like quest to besmirch all that is Islam or Arabic.
81 - Mark the Sane and Sensible
Rabin was a cowardly appeaser and capitulator. YOU CAN'T MAKE PEACE WITH MUSLIM TERRORISTS! IT IS IMPOSSIBLE! The only way to defeat Muslim terrorism is to kill them all before they get the chance to kill you.
82 - Silas Kain
You still did not answer my question. If Rabin had been gunned down by an Arab would you have taken up the cause to punish them for his murder? So far nothing you have said on this board would indicate otherwise. You live in a sphere of hate and retribution, Mark. If all you have written is what you truly believe (and I have my doubts), I see no hope for you at all. You will die a lonely, defeated old man driven by a set of misguided beliefs that did nothing to help you understand the nature of Mankind. Mark, your God has failed you; but what's worse is that you have failed your God.
83 - Law
The scripture teaches that we will know them by their fruits. It is a simple task to compare people who claim to be Christian with the Christian manual and see wether they are truly Christian or not. I only say this because their are many fake, nonbelieving, deceivers out there who are no more Christian than satan himself. We will continue to hear and see people behaving as devils, speaking as devils, living as devils while at the same time professing to be Christian (crusades,inquisitions, colonialism, Christianity, etc.)
2 Corinthians 11:14. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Why am I saying this? People who turn against God and blame Christians are blaming the right people. However, the people being blamed are not Christians. Many of them do not believe the bible they supposedly teach from. The amount of money and followers do not mean a thing. Compare them, their words, their organisations, their beliefs to the scriptures that they claim to represent. Then make a decision.
1 Timothy 6
3. If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4. He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5. Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
If these televangelists were Christian, God would not tell us to withdraw from them. Listen to what they teach!
Hebrews 12:14. Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord
How can you follow peace while calling for assasination or praying for people to die?
A Christian would not call for assasinations nor pray for the death of people. In order for a vacancy to come in the supreme court a judge has to die. Pat Robertson prays on tv for God to open up new vancancies in the supreme court. He is essentially praying for the death of people.
Proverbs 24
17. Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth:
18. Lest the Lord see it, and it displease him, and he turn away his wrath from him.
FROM SUCH TURN AWAY! He is not a Christian. No, Christianity is not God's way. The manual commands us to be Holy and nothing else.
1 Peter: 15.But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16. Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
Peace
84 - Mark the Sane and Sensible
"If Rabin had been gunned down by an Arab would you have taken up the cause to punish them for his murder?"
Of course.
"You live in a sphere of hate and retribution, Mark."
Actually, I live in a rather nice condo in on the Upper West side with my wife.
Seriously, I an loyal first to my blood. Their enemies are my enemies. It's a shame that you don't share the same loyalty to your blood. But then, I was raised differently that you, evidently. I was taught conservative principles, you weren't.
"You will die a lonely, defeated old man"
No I won't. I have a lovely wife and three lovely and successful children to enjoy until the day I die. How about you?
"driven by a set of misguided beliefs that did nothing to help you understand the nature of Mankind."
I don't need to understand what you deem to be the "nature of Mankind." What I understand is that there is life and death and survival at all cost. There is love and hate in equal measure. There is also good and evil and we must fight to destroy evil. Right now, the evil on this earth is the Muslim jihad who have pledged to kill all Jews and Christians.
"Mark, your God has failed you;"
I don't believe in this supernatural being concept in the Judeo-Christian tradition. I am a cultural Jew only, not a practicing religious one. I am the guide of my own destiny. Are you?
85 - Bob A. Booey
Who's Nancy?
She's smart, but she scares me. She's kinda scary smart.
That is all.
86 - WhiskeyRiver
From another post... on the same subject.
"Git some... Pat.
Anyone not willing to kill with their own hands, shouldn't go around asking others to do it for them.
It's called chickenshit."
I'm going to have to agree.... it's one thing to spew out B.S., it's quite another to have the stones to back it up.
Robertson ain't got the stones.
From now on I proclaim him "Lips" Robertson.
and Nancy... you're HOT!!! You ROCK!!!! and we need a picture... cuz you talk like a dude.
87 - WTF
Hey WhiskeyRiver! I said that! That's my line!
Nancy... are you Gonzo Marx's alter ego? Or maybe Dave Nalle in drag!
THAT'S IT! OHMYGAWWD!!!! EEEEEUUUUYYYOOUUU!!!!
88 - Pat Robertson
I hereby retract my previous retraction, and now state with certainty that, until such a time as I may retract this statement, it represents my views concerning Hugo Chavez. I believe that Hugo Chavez should be assassinated This statement in no way reflects any potential future retractions.
89 - Ty
They have been down there in Venezula stirring up political strife for a couple of years now in secret. This is another neocon ploy to brainwash people once again in this country against "the evildoers"
Venezula has oil. And these greedy ass Republicans, are doing all they can to stir up political unrest so they can go in and invade the country and take control of it. Political unrest not only there, but here as well. Using a figurehead such as Robertson to stirup the brainwashed hillbillies is just the first step.
It's fuc$ing disgusting. This Pat Robertson is no man of God. He is the devil. The only evildoers I see around here. Are the ones touting I speak the word of God, and then make a buck on it. I aint religious ok. I do however remember a story though when my aunt used to drag me to Sunday school about the money changers in the church.
And that is exactly what this lunatic Robertson is, along with the pope.
These people have no more of a connection with God than a slug in your front yard.
90 - Ty
Jackbox
If Bill Mahr questions why US Soldiers are ill-equipped in the theatre of war, then the right-wind congressman will simply label the comedian’s comments as treasonous.
The only ones committing treason in this country are The Bush Administration. This "Govt" is so far gone it's pathetic. Look at Govt offices. The DMV, the post office, libraries. Have you seen the equipment in these places? I swear, I went to renew my license the other day. I was looking at this woman's computer. And I said, that computer is old. Like 10 years!
Why even bother making comments that military are not equipped with adequate equipment. When the DMV isn't even supplied with adequate equipment. It's The US GOVT. They're thieving, cheating, lying ass cheapos. They put absolutely no money into education, the arts, healthcare etc.
Almost every so called "civilised" country in this world their Govt pays for University, hospital, funds the arts readily. In the US however, parents practically go into debt trying to give their child a future.
You would think that a Govt would supply their own offices with adequate, UP TO DATE equipment, their military with adequate, UP TO DATE equipment, and that they would want ALL of their citizens to get a decent education to contribute productively to society.
Something's not right. Oh wait...I forgot Bush is in office, EVERYTHING IS RIGHT, but yet so wrong.
91 - Nancy
Gonzo Marx' alter ego?! You think I'm THAT smart!?!? Ohmigawd, I'm going to have to print this out & put it on the wall. I WISH I was that facile & informed! Thanks for the compliment. As for Nalle ... another compliment, as he's quite smart, altho I seldom agree with him. Oddly, this is the 2nd time I've been accused of "being" him.
Don't know what you all mean by I 'talk like a dude', tho, or why I should scare anybody, since I never threaten harm or reprisals, just generally heap oppobrium on the heads of BushCo. & all politicians.
92 - gonzo marx
for the Record..i have NO "alter ego's"
just this name
just me
nuff said?
Excelsior!
93 - Nancy
Not trying to steal your ID, Gonzo - just floored by the compliment.
94 - gonzo marx
no worries Nancy...it's all good
a sad day indeed when folks feel complimented by being compared to the likes of lil ole me...
/swoons
Excelsior!
95 - jon
Mark the sane and sensible: I do not and have not read ZNet or the Nation. And as for your pathetic attempt of trying to class me as a Anti-semite, how crude of you mark. Many jew's were given safe haven in my country (UK) during the second world war, a fact of which I am pround of, and I am sure many of them are to. My concern's are for what is happening now, not what happened 60 years ago. A ultra right wing goverment who have a scant disregard for human life, and as far as I am concered betrayed the very people who have help them, (America). It is a well known fact that Isreal has passed on top secret technology information to china, they have addmitted it, albeit quitely. It is you who is full of ultra right wing Zionist hate mark, not me, like many of your like minded Zionist brother's and sisters you are all tragically deluded. I only wrote the truth mark and as they say, "the truth sometimes hurts".
96 - D.C.
EUROTRASH. Let me repeat that. EUROTRASH.
97 - Don Keehotey
After Pat Robertson’s public recommendation to assassinate Venezuela’s President Hugo Chavez was met with major condemnation, he sent a secret e-mail to his followers:
“At 10 am tomorrow, everybody pray that Chavez spontaneously combusts on the streets of Caracas. They’ll never tie it to us!”
Afterward Robertson commented to his assistant, “Crap, I should have said ‘10 am Eastern Standard Time.’ Ah the hell with it, let’s split a pizza? I’m buying!”
98 - Mark the Sane and Sensible
"I do not and have not read ZNet or the Nation."
You may not, but you're an ultra LEFT winger and an apologist for Pally terrorists who have pledged to kill all Chrsitians and Jews. They routinely go on al-jazeera TV to declare that. Did you miss that, perhaps? These are the very same savages killing your OWN countrymen, for fuck's sake! Do you recall what happened in July? Where is your sense of national pride? You are a Brit first, not a member of any world collective.
You are either with with Israel (have some respect and spell it correctly, jon) or against her. No compromises. This is war and you have to accept that. The peaceniks won't be listened to. You are just pissing in the wind with your protests. It's war until one side is completely destroyed.
Which side of the war are you choosing to join? You can't just sit idly by, jon, you have to choose sides. This is not some academic debate in polite tones over tea and scones. This is real life.
99 - splat
It really admasing how a few words one way or the other makes or breaks a conversation.
100 - splat
So I missppeled a word :)
101 - Bunny
Going all the way back to comment 31, Mark the Sane and Sensible, I would have to disagree with the notion that our nation is founded on the principle of having an army to go around kicking asses.
When we have to kick ass, we do. (Apparently Vietnam did not have to have its ass kicked.) However, our nation was founded on the principle of not having an army at all. In fact, if you read the Constitution, you might even find that we are not supposed to have a standing army (ie, the Pentagon) except when it is called to be assembled by the Congress. If that principle hadn't been abused for so long, we wouldn't have current abuses of military power.
The absence of a standing army was not only to guarantee our personal liberties, but also to signify that our relations with other nations were not to characterized as hostile. The Constitution authorizes a Navy, to protect commerce. It does not authorize an army to protect oil supply. One is a defensive measure against piracy, the other an offensive measure of imperialism.
Interestingly enough, despite what our founding fathers intended, our nation has almost always had a decent "standing" army throughout our history. Government will do whatever they can get away with.
102 - Bunny
As far as Pat Robertson is concerned, I think he is an idiot who ought to make an outright apology for what he said.
He should give us all a thorough background of Venezuelan politics, economic policy, and the current status of trade between Venezuela and the United States, particularly concerning oil. He should explain his political/economic reasoning behind suggesting that our elite forces "take him out". Then he should publicly and directly to Chavez and the citizens of Venezuela declare that he both meant what he said, and that he was WRONG. If he can't do those things, he should crawl into a small dark hole (see Saddam Hussein) and stay there.
Everyone else should leave Bush out of this. Bush didn't say it. Both the Pentagon and the State Department FIRMLY denounced Robertson's statements. Quit acting like the White House is behind this, encouraging this, or ignoring this. Bush and the rest of the administration have enough faults to pick on without us having to pretend that he wants people assassinated.
103 - Bunny
I am curious as to why when the White House says of both Mrs. Sheehan and Mr. Robertson that while they do not agree with what they say, they defend their right to say it, the Left accuses them of throwing Mrs. Sheehan to the wolves and making Mr. Robertson their lap dog.
They treat them both equally, as private citizens with rights.
104 - Mark the Sane and Sensible
"However, our nation was founded on the principle of not having an army at all."
Bunny: it most certainly does not and you are lying.
Have you read the Preamble? Where it states "provide for the common defense"?
It's stated again in Section 8 under Congressional powers. Also in Section 8:
"To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;"
What do think "To declare war" means? You're a stone cold loon, bunny, just like the rest of these libbie losers here who will say anything to impugn this country and its leaders.
105 - Steve
I find it curious that some on the left who criticized the Iraq War on the basis that Saddam and/or Osama should have been assassinated instead look just a little bit hypocritical in criticizing Robertson now! The lefties really do have to make up their mind on where they stand...they just look like mindless partisans to me.
106 - Eric Berlin
I'm guessing there were at least as many righties you called for assassination. I don't remember any major leaders on the left discussing this pre-war anyway.
107 - Steve S
Perhaps the Lefties aren't making the claim that they are men of God, Steve, and perhaps they aren't Reverends!
108 - Nancy
I was outraged & incredulous that just about every single congresscreature on the hill abdicated their responsibilities & simply handed over unilateral power to BushCo. to do as they pleased. Even if they agreed 100% that retaliation was called for (which I think just about everyone did/does), they should have voted instead to back his actions, not just washed their hands of their congressional duties; but that's typical congressmaggots: only take the easy stand when it yields good PR & requires no backbone.
109 - Mark the Sane and Sensible
well gee, nancy, if you feel that way about your elected leaders, why don't you run for public office yourself if you think you know better? Oh that's right, you'd rather bitch about the process on the internet, where it does ZERO good.
110 - Steve
Eric, Pres. Clinton was real close to signing an order for assassination of Osama back in 1998, but being in the middle of the Lewinsky scandal, he felt too weakened as Pres. to make such a decision apparently. I wish you guys would look more closely at what your politicians do, you seem to have a rather idealized view of your party. (I'm not necessarily agreeing with the idea of assassination by the way).
111 - Eric Berlin
Just like bitching about non-existent "evidence" that Bruce Springsteen is Jewish (something no one carea about anyway...) on the Internet.
Right Mark?
112 - Eric Berlin
Osama is and has never been the leader of a sovereign state, Steve, making it a far different perspective from a legal standpoint.
113 - Steve
Eric, if the leader is a dictator, how legitimate is his leadership anyway? (Just playing devil's advocate here). Or would you disagree with Robertson's assessment that Chavez is a dictator?
114 - Eric Berlin
I'm talking about from a legal standpoint. If we start determining which leaders are legit or not, then by rights we have to assassinate a Musharaf in Pakistan.
115 - yezbok drahcir
Preventing broadcast is censorship.
Changing the channel is freedom of choice.
Letting the serpent talk to Eve is freedom of expression.
Letting Eve pick the fruit is freedom of choice.
Contrary to God, dictators exercise suppression and prohibition.
Letting a televangelist incite murder is freedom of expression.
Letting groups organize to boycott a ministry is freedom of choice.
116 - gonzo marx
a quick Thought to add to the whole Robertson discussion...i got a few Questions..maybe someone can help with
now, i know Churches are tax exempt..and i know that according to FCC statutes the airwaves belong to the American public, and are leased to broadcasters...
here's the bit...since broadcasting is a commercial venture...does the 700 Club pay taxes and broadcast fees for using the public airwaves?
if not, why not?
a TV station is NOT a "church"...by definition..do they pay proerty tax on the facility?
if not, why not?
Enquiring minds wanna Know...
thanx in advance
Excelsior!
117 - Mark the Sane and Sensible
"Just like bitching about non-existent "evidence" that Bruce Springsteen is Jewish (something no one carea about anyway...) on the Internet."
Right, you don't care to the extent that you keep responding to my posts like pathetic little moths to a flame, even after you've told me ad nauseam that you're done with the discussion.
118 - gonzo marx
and still Mark fo the SS adds nothign to the Discussion..and merely spews more hateful bile and insults all over the screen..
where the hell are troll and Shark when ya need them?
Excelsior!
119 - Mark the Sane and Sensible
"and still Mark fo the SS adds nothign to the Discussion..and merely spews more hateful bile and insults all over the screen.."
Just like you, gonzo. And fuck the Shark.
120 - Leland W. Ruble
SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
As you read the below article keep this fact in mind. According to the tax appraiser's office for Pinellas County, Florida the 1996 dollar amount of exempt real estate held by religions in Pinellas county alone was:
$583,581,970.00!!!
That half a billion dollars plus could be added to the tax base and used to help the uninsured that the faith-healers can't heal, or to help clean up the environment, for education, etc., etc., etc. Instead it goes to promote superstition.
SHOULD THE CHURCHES BE TAXED?
by Leland W. Ruble
Should organized religion be taxed? And if not, why not? For most of the population, religion exists in a peculiar, rarefied atmosphere. It is for most people (even though they may have some doubts) the only source of hope they have for continuing their existence after the body has expired. Naturally they expect restitution in heaven, a sort of reward for countless prayers; a moral life; and obedience to God. Obviously, taxation of a faith based on a biblical God, would be a desecration of this image.
Religion therefore, has been able to develop, grow and prosper without the payment of taxes that are required from most other organizations that teach a certain philosophy or concept of existence. The majority do not think of religious mysticism as an ideology that is taxable. They feel, you cannot tax a church whose reverend is a representative of God. A person who has daily conversations and visions pertaining to a sometimes benevolent, sometimes revengeful Lord of all, the Almighty.
Presumably because religion is more concerned with the afterlife, Heaven, Hell, and a government presided over by an assembly of angels, saints, and evangelists, and considers sin as the main cause of discord on this planet, it has been exempted from taxation. It is a privilege that has granted religion an elite status that few other organizations, activities, and the productivity of human labor is immune from. The mystical exploitation of religion has created a hierarchy of sanctimonious pedagogues who prosper in an environment free of obligation to the society from which they profit immensely. There is no such thing as a non-profit religion. If there were non-profit religions, most established religions would not exist.
Why then, is religion exempt from taxation? There are those who assume that it is to prevent government influence into the activities of religion, and to prevent the same from interfering
in the affairs of government. It is also thought that taxation of religion would restrict its growth, thus constricting the freedom of worship and making it difficult for religious activity to flourish. This does not make sense. If a mystical organization cannot prosper or survive because of taxation, it must not have a message or purpose worth sustaining, nor the ability to communicate a concept that appeals to the public. If it requires exemption from taxation as the only way it can exist, then it is a religion based on a superficial concept of Biblical nonsense that eventually the public will ignore.
James Madison, the fourth President of the United States of America and a leading promoter and authority of the U.S. Constitution, had this to say in regard to the exemption of taxation for religious organizations: "Are the U.S. duly awake to the tendency of the precedents they are establishing, in the multiplied incorporations of religious congregations with the faculty of acquiring and holding property real as well as personal...? The people of the U.S. owe their independence and their Liberty to the wisdom of descrying in the minute of 3 pence on tea, the magnitude of the evil comprised in the precedent. Let them exert the same wisdom, in watching against every evil lurking under plausible disguises, and growing up from small beginnings."
Apparently not all future legislators or bureaucrats visualized the tenacity of religion to develop into huge corporations with vast properties, investments, and influence over legislation favorable to its prosperity. The present has proven Madison correct in his assumption. The scheming and manipulation of the frenzied, right wing religious fundamentalists with their army of enthusiasts, has proven that religion untaxed, is more dangerous to Liberty than taxation of the same. Why should an institution founded on fantasy and myth, the incredible and improbable, be exonerated from taxation while existing in a society that supports the infrastructure and services that make it possible for that religion to succeed? My freedom, yours, and every other individual that exists in this society, is threatened by the immense influence of organized religion in its massive appeal to legislate laws favorable to its establishment. We, unlike the religionists, do not as individuals, have the use of untaxed funds or Christianized Coalitions that exist to peddle, distribute and exercise leverage over politicians.
What is Democratic, what is justifiable in allowing the churches the extraordinary freedom to exist independently exempt from taxation??? Especially when the exempted religions pursue as their objective, the influence of legislation favorable to their continued material advancement. The survival of organized revealed religion is dependent on not only the generosity of its members, but also from a government that is sympathetic to the continued domination of mystical authority in the affairs of state and society. Witness George Bush receiving the blessing from his religious minister for the carpet bombing and resulting mass murder of Iraqi civilians during the Desert Storm exercise in ignorance.
The established religions have prospered in an environment that is maintained through the taxation of others for such simple things as street upkeep, courts of law, police and fire protection, or any of the many other services that the public pays for. It is we the people, who are assuring that religious associations can perform their functions, while they are exempted from the same obligation. They have been granted an exclusion, that is based on the erroneous concept, that religion is a non-profit enterprise. Anyone who believes religion is not profitable and exists solely as a distributor of myth and magic, has not looked recently at the vast resources and property that churches have acquired as non-profit organizations.
The religions of this nation do not contribute, in any way, to my freedom, your Liberty, or the future of civilization. Freed of taxation, indebted to the worship of an abstract biblical god, they exist exclusively as a hierarchy whose interest is the exploitation and propaganda of supernatural absurdity!
IS IT NOT TIME THAT WE THE PUBLIC DEMAND THAT THE RELIGIONS OF THIS NATION PAY FOR THEIR PARTICIPATION IN SOCIETY??? Is it not the proper time to cease characterizing religious institutions as a privileged ideology that is more important than other philosophies and concepts?
Why should the labor of a person working eight hours a day be taxed, while a preacher who labors in mystical fantasy be excluded from the same? Why should there be a tax for the general public, but not for those engaged in the production (or fabrication) of a religious ideology? Is the enterprise of corporate religion any better or more useful to society than an individual who thinks about existence from a philosophical and rational perspective? I think not. There is no such thing as an aristocracy of thought or complete agreement on any conception. Religion in all its many forms, does not have the exclusive answers to the complexity of existence. Its reliance on mystical incomprehension, the miraculous, the impossible, is based on a fictionalized perspective, rooted in the dreams and desires of primitive man.
Taxation of religion is based on fairness and justice. It is a notification to those who represent corporate religion that they are not a special institution or a favored aristocracy that can benefit from all the liberties of a democracy, but have no obligation to support that democratic society in the form of taxation. Particularly when, as the Christian Coalition is doing, they use the millions of dollars saved from taxes to pump into the campaigns of politicians who agreed to spread their brand of bigotry and superstition.
121 - gonzo marx
look up at #116 and eat some more words, hate-boy...
i have shown, over my time here at BC, that i can gladly join in intellectual discourse over various topics...i can and have admitted when i was factually mistaken...and i leanr things at times, which helps expand my Understanding...
on the other hand...i can also don my asbestos longjohns and turn on the napalm as well as anyone
you set the tone...i brought the bar-b-q sauce
heretics like me don't mind some of the proverbial "heat"...but i do enjoy observing you going apoplectic
such a lovely shade of purple
Excelsior!
122 - Silas Kain
Contrary to God, dictators exercise suppression and prohibition.
Contrary to God, Christianity has...
123 - Nancy
"...moths to the flame..."? Mark of the SS thinks he's a flame, now? No, not that bright...more like a burnt-out match, a pathetic, angry, neocon throw-back to the 50s, whose idea of rabelasian wit & caustic comeback is to resort to obscenities & juvenile name-calling such as "commie puke". Gonzo, why are you, Shark and the others wasting your time even responding to this thing, which cannot carry on a simple civil conversation, let alone a simple civilized idea? As much as I have disagreed with others on this website, I have not felt that they deserve to be shunned; this oddity - a neocon, neo-nazi Jew of all things, with a pathological fear of and hatred for anything not agreeing with it 100% - after having read it's various spewings, I really think there is no alternative but to ignore & shun it, & blog around it. It isn't worth your time or energy, or mine, but that's your call. I have stopped responding to it.
124 - Mark the Sane and Sensible
"i have shown, over my time here at BC, that i can gladly join in intellectual discourse over various topics.."
Well bully for you! What have you gained from all this effort? Affirmation of your sick liberal views?
"and i leanr things at times, which helps expand my Understanding..."
And tell me, how can you profit from that "Understanding"?
125 - Mark the Sane and Sensible
"based itself in sadomasochistic worship of cruel and unusual punishment"
I'm sure the prosepcts of some S&M may be very interesting to you, Silas.