Those are very carefully crafted words obviously engineered to stoke resentment and racial paranoia in the black community.
Bill Clinton appeared on ABC's This Week this morning (9-18-05) with George Stephanopoulos, carefully and purposely accusing President Bush of callous indifference to black people.…
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— go to most recent comments76 - Scott
And, I'm sure you think it's both of those, right RJ?
77 - RogerMDillion
Of course, because you decide what constitutes a marriage and how people should act in it.
78 - Bennett
There was some hope for you, RJ. But you have officially descended into the relm of 16 year old hater-screamers.
All hail "RJ Grande".
79 - Shark
Al on Clinton: "...he's going for the hardest, ruthless partisanship he can muster."
And that's why he's seen arm in arm with Bush Sr. every time Jr. gets flooded in deep shit with some Tsunami...
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RJ playing Dr. Phil on Lithium: "...Normal married couples, you know, talk every day. They, you know, own cell phones."
You, you know, are single, right?
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I think it's great that Clinton's ghost can still haunt the likes of Barger and RJ.
He must have some heavy-duty ju-ju.
PS: RJ, your obsession with the Clinton marriage is starting to make you sound, um, more insane than usual.
Take a deep breath, man.
IT DON'T MATTER.
And if if it do -- MOST AMERICANS DON'T GIVE A SHIT.
Why?
~ 'cause we're married.
80 - Shark
Hillary in 2008!
Chelsea in 2016!
bwahahahahaha!
81 - Shark
PERSONAL NOTE:
Big Al, you have my sympathy re. RJ.
I know the feeling, man; There are a few "liberals" hereabouts who I just HATE to have on my side during a 'debate'.
82 - Scott Butki
I see my comments as responding to your allegations about Clinton being a liar which so far appear to be baseless.
83 - MCH
Agreed, Sharky;
Bobby (RJ) Elliott should pay more attention to his own perfect relationship.
By the way Bobby, you really ought to pump some more air into her...she's looking a little peaked...
84 - Shark
RJ in a moment of unintended irony: "...I guess politicians lying while giving nationally-broadcast interviews on friendly media doesn't bother you..."
If it bothered us, George Bush would be in prison instead of the White House.
85 - Shark
RJ, I've got some news for ya.
Are you sitting down, man?
Okay. Good.
Get this: Clinton is going to divorce Hillary...
and
marry
CINDY SHEEHAN.
[RIP, babe]
86 - Silas Kain
Believe it or not, character matters. At least to the American voting public.
Um, OK. If character mattered, George Walker Bush would not be President. The American people only have themselves to blame for the leadership vaccuum in the United States by discouraging quality people from seeking office. We've got to develop a standard of excellence -- we must expect it from our elected officials. I'm not saying that they have to be perfect. We are all human, believe it or not. One thing that I have heard many times over the last few days is that had Bill Clinton been President these last 2 1/2 weeks, the people of the Gulf Coast would not have been temporarily abandoned by a crippled FEMA. This comes from Clinton supporters and detractors, my friends.
In the meantime, short of impeachment, GW Bush remains in office for another three years and four months. There are things we can do to influence this White House. We can start by applying pressure on members of Congress. If they fail to respond in kind during next year's session, throw the damn bums out! Is there anything simpler than that?
87 - John Bil
I feel your pain.
88 - Al Barger
First off, I'm not sure why exactly RJ cares so much about the Clinton marriage. I do not. But Bill's goddam lying about not talking to Hillary about Roberts. He could have just said he didn't want to talk about it, but that would have blown the opportunity to tell another lie.
Mr Berlin, I do hold an extremely low personal opinion of Bill Clinton, but it's not on grounds of politics (again, he's more or less moderate), but of low personal morals. I was a little embarassed to be represented before the world by such classless trash- but that's not a question of liberal or conservative.
If I were of age, I'd have probably had similar feelings about being represented by President Nixon- except that Nixon was significantly less bad as a person, though much more politically liberal than Clinton in practice.
I'm aware that Stephanopoulos is the regular host of This Week. I considered the show appointment television for years- until they handed the reins to him. That ABC News would give him this job tells me a lot about how fair and balanced they are.
There's perhaps some point to be made legitimately about objecting to Roger Ailes in that PART of his resume was political, but the practice isn't the same. Their major news hosts are not paid partisan operatives. Brit Hume is a legitimate journalist, Stephanopoulos just isn't.
Granted, if Karl Rove called in sick, Sean Hannity wouldn't know what to say on his show. But then, he's BILLED as a conservative, with an official liberal co-host right there.
Pinkos can all give up bitching about that perfectly legitimate Willie Horton ad. They put a face with a particularly notorious criminal case reasonably directly attributable to the specific policies of the opposition candidate. You might legitimately somewhat question whether you think that was "necessary," but it was one maybe somewhat marginally questionable ad most of 20 years ago.
The worst reasonable interpretation of that ad is nowhere near comparable to Clinton absolutely and inarguably consciously poisoning the well like this shameful ABC appearance.
89 - Al Barger
Oh, and Shark, you think you're clever wanting to wedge between me and RJ. Ain't happening. RJ's a key man on Team Al. He perhaps let y'all sidetrack him here for a minute with this Bill and Hillary thing, but that's a minor point.
Shark, if RJ caught rabies, and he was foaming at the mouth, he'd still be more sensible and logical than you. I say this with love, but you don't even PRETEND to be rational. RJ's mistake is that he sometimes forgets what he knows and actually tries to take your avowed nonsense seriously.
90 - Dave Nalle
When Clinton said "I don't think it's race based", he was exactly right. The decline in black unemployment during his time in office wasn't race based either. If you have record low unemployment for everyone you almost certainly also have record low unemployment within each ethnic group. Nothing in our national policy under the Republican policy is done for purposes of race. Not for the white majority or in particular for any minority group. The Republican philosophy is that if the country is stronger economically then everyone will benefit - more jobs, more money, more housing, freer credit, etc. It's a sound concept, and seems to work.
Dave
91 - Eric Berlin
There's a great quote from Mark Shields that agrees with the Bush Isn't Racist argument (and I agree with it... emphasis is mine):
92 - Shark
Big Al bitchin' -- in an unintended moment of EXTREME IRONY said this about Clinton's alleged "racial demagoguery":
BARGER: "Pinkos can all give up bitching about that perfectly legitimate Willie Horton ad. They put a face with a particularly notorious criminal case reasonably directly attributable to the specific policies of the opposition candidate."
Okay. Pinkos will quit bitchin' about the Horton ad if you and RJ quit bitchin' about this:
Clinton: "if you give your tax cuts to the rich... and poverty goes up, and it disproportionately affects black and brown people, that's a consequence of the action made."
--- which, btw, sorta put a face with a particularly notorious series of tax breaks for the rich -- reasonably directly attributable to GW Bush -- on the racial and economic trickle-down effects they have on poor people.
Btw: IT'S TRUE, but don't let that get in the way of you guys chasing after the scary ghost of Clinton.
PS: ~BOO!
93 - Bob A. Booey
Bill Clinton didn't do anything significant for black people in this country, despite his overwhelming popularity with black voters. He, with the help of Newt Gingrich and later George W. Bush, helped create the conditions for the disproportionate increase in black poverty in this country since he left office.
That being said, you've become so predictable, Senator. This was really poorly-written and even foolish.
RJ, to his credit, is seriously worried that Hillary will be President. He has told me in other discussions that he thinks Hillary would beat Bill Frist, the front-runner for the GOP nomination in 2008, by a historic 55-45% margin. Since the only thing people who hate Hillary can cling to is some speculation about the state of her marriage, I would take his obsession with "BJ Clinton" and wife as a mark of his respect for their political skills.
That is all.
94 - Shark
Al to Shark: "...if RJ caught rabies, and he was foaming at the mouth, he'd still be more sensible and logical than you."
I forget more in a day than RJ has learned in a lifetime.
BTW: Al, you really must stop worshiping this phantom "logic"; "Logic" is whatever justifies one's opinion.
And by admitting that, "logic" says I'm more HONEST than you and RJ put together.
: )
95 - Shark
Al: I do hold an extremely low personal opinion of Bill Clinton, but it's not on grounds of politics... but of low personal morals."
Al, c'mon, bubba;
I come from the same hillbilly-redneck-white trash culture as you do, and we both know that if either of us got into the Oval Office, the FIRST thing we'd do was see if we could score a blow-job from some cute intern.
C'mon, Al, admit it: among our 'contemporaries' -- that would be a source of pride and accomplishment!
~Find a new source of outrage.
96 - Bob A. Booey
Only people who so obviously have no grip on logic in their intellectual skill set and in their disposition throw words like "logic," "reason," and "rationality" around so frequently. It's their desperate attempt to convince themselves as much of you that they're not rabid ideologues or people who just aren't able to function in mainstream society. Call it a pre-emptive projection of character that begs the question of some insight into their own character that they are aware of but unable to come to terms with when it's so apparent to the rest of us.
That's why I think names like "Mark the Sensible" are pretty funny and self-aware.
Does anyone know what the Senator does for a living day-to-day? Just curious.
That is all.
97 - Silas Kain
Bill Clinton got head, so what? Does his infidelity to his wife really matter when it comes to his presidency or place in political history? Unfortunately, until our grandchildren have all died the history books' take on Bill Clinton will not go far beyond Monica Lewinsky. FDR was a philanderer, yet he is regarded as the patron saint of the presidency. Ike cheated on Mamie -- didn't make him a bad guy, did it? Nixon, on the other hand, probably only had sex twice in his life and look what happened there. Forget about what a President does in his/her bedroom -- be more concerned how he governs in the Situation Room.
98 - Silas Kain
Does anyone know what the Senator does for a living day-to-day?
Which Senator?
99 - Al Barger
Now come on Silas, you have to know that Clinton was not impeached for anything to do with sex. If it were a Republican president absolutely provably dead to rights caught lying under oath in a federal court and- worse- tampering with witnesses, you'd be calling for his head. I'd be right there with you.
Or do you want to argue that perjury and witness tampering are not impeachable offenses?
100 - Eric Berlin
There was no witness tampering. He lied about sex, something that had NOTHING to do with what he was investigated about.
It was wrong to lie under oath, he was duly punished, but was able to move on.
So was the rest of America.
101 - Nancy
As far as I'm aware, the perjury pertained to Clinton getting a blow job from Monica, nothing more. Hardly earth-shaking, and certainly not in the category of taking a nation to war & pouring thousands of American lives & billions of dollars into an Iraqi rathole on the basis of sworn statements/excuses that changed day to day depending on whether the previous day's had been discredited, from "WMD" to "Yellow Cake" to "Bioweapons" to "Saddam & BinLaden are allies" to "Democracy for Iraqis" (when all else fails, wrap yourself in the flag so you can claim your detractors are unpatriotic).
What other items are you talking about? If there are more, it's interesting that Ken Starr wasted millions & millions of $$ investigating BJC out the wazoo (& Hill, too) & never came up with enough to charge either one of them, to the fury of the GOP, altho gawd knows they tried, hard.
So. Since Bill was impeached on the basis of denying he had sex with someone who basically was a semi-professional whore (at least, according to congress) what do you know that congress didn't? Please enlighten us all, because I do want to know. Really.
I would say on a scale of things, BushBoy is a whole lot guiltier of worse than BJC is.
Oh - and if you want to talk about famous libidos in the WH, don't forget the all-time champ, JFK, one good man nobody could keep down. So to speak.
102 - Shark
The Management has asked that the discussion of Bill Clinton's blow job be consolidated with the debate over the status of Terri Shiavo's mental state.
Thanks for your cooperation.
103 - Bob A. Booey
I'll use this as a cheap opportunity to point out that there's one picture of when Terry Schiavo was a blonde where she got really kind of hot. It's amazing how disease and physical deterioration can change the human body so drastically. But in her prime, when she apparently was fitness and diet-crazed and had the blonde dye job, I would have given her the Clinton treatment for sure.
That is all.
104 - Nancy
None of which (the Clinton marriage or lack thereof) has anything whatsoever to do with the economic facts cited by Bill that Al is whining about.
105 - Shark
Booey, I dunno, man, I ain't no Christoid expert, but I think there's some sorta eternal religious punishment for lustin' after the brain dead.
106 - Bob A. Booey
No, no, Sharky poo.
When she was hot and anorexic, not when she was drooling and vegetative.
See ya in Heaven -- read my comments about Jesus and materialism in the "economic morality" BS-fest.
That is all.
107 - DrPat
Just curious, Shark -- is that on the grounds that two bent heads are better than one?
108 - Nancy
ROTFLOL - men are SO sick-o! (Mental image of you guys drooling over photos of T.S. in the hospice). EEEEyew.
109 - Al Barger
Mr Berlin, Clinton absolutely was tampering with witnesses. For starters, he was trying to get his secretary to lie in court. "Now, I was never alone with her, right?" Rather than perjure herself, she reported this to the grand jury even while she was still working for him.
There were numerous other examples of witness tampering by Clinton around just this Lewinsky situation much less in every other kind of legal issues he was facing, but that's the most well documented in court under oath.
Now, I don't care that much about it today. But when people keep repeating again and again the falsehood that Clinton was impeached for having sex, I'm not inclined to just concede that point- especially when they're doing it on MY articles. No, Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice- charges for which he was clearly totally 100% guilty.
You may wish to argue that you don't like the policies of the Bush administration, but that's NOT the same kind of thing as the grotesque levels of personal corruption displayed by Clinton. There's just no excuse for it, even if you agree with Clinton's policies.
110 - Nancy
No, Al - you're 100% right that Bill SHOULD indeed have been impeached for perjury & witness tampering. Perjury/w.t. are perjury & w.t. and that is that. Incredibly stupid of him to even try to deny it. Actually, I didn't believe it when I heard it (about Monica, that is), and I did believe him when he denied it, because w/all the people around in the WH, especially the omnipresent SS, who would be stupid enough to even try to screw her in the first place? I thought surely he would have had to have been out of his mind A) to try it, and then B) to deny it.
That said, I think Jr. should be held to the same (at least) standards.
111 - Al Barger
But Nancy, has Dubya been commiting perjury? He's not even been in court.
Clinton probably came out about right on the Lewinsky thing, being impeached but not convicted and removed from office. It was probably right that he got to finish his elected term, but he got the unerasable and inarguably appropriate black mark of a formal impeachment.
Again, you might disagree with Dubya's policies, but that's not impeachable offenses. That's just politics.
112 - Eric Berlin
Al -- I agree that Clinton got about what he deserved. And I also think that he's done a hell of a lot to burnish his image, legacy, and rep in his post-presidency.
And you're right about Bush never having landed himself in court, but I refer back to Shields once again:
"He is, however, isolated -- and he may be almost criminally uncurious."
Now we're talking about life and death, global and domestic.
113 - Nancy
Al, from all I've read, and from the evidence of Jr.'s own remarks & actions as recorded on tape, et al., I do believe there are indeed grounds for impeachment, and the only reason it isn't happening is because the Pubs control congress. Granted some of the charges are more serious (or better grounded) than others, but they are there, and all the spin in the world doesn't make them go away.
114 - Nancy
Actually, there are a lot of current, sitting politicians on the hill on both sides I'd also like to see impeached or removed or whatever they do to congresspersons, on the basis of overwhelmingly blatant evidence, but it's unlikely, because those schmucks cover each others' asses even more assiduously than doctors do.
115 - Al Barger
Nancy, what exactly would be the high crimes and misdemeanors for which Bush should be impeached? Note that the opinion that Iraq was a bad move does not constitute a crime, even if it has deadly serious consequences. Has he been commiting felonies?
116 - Nancy
Yes. I believe a summary of charges can be found at impeachbush.com. I decline to take up all the space necessary to repeat them here when they're already outlined in detail there together with what evidence exists, better than I could do it. Again, not all of them are viable, & some are outright partisan, but there is enough, IMO, that some of the charges apply, and only political partisanship on the hill protects Bush & keeps him or his staff/adjuncts from being charged.
117 - Al Barger
The url www.impeachbush.com is a dead link.
118 - DrPat
Actually, when I tried it, it flipped to a completely different site, with a Networking Solutions header...
119 - Silas Kain
Try www.impeachbush.org.
120 - DrPat
Now THAT link is dead...
121 - Silas Kain
OK, let's try this again. This link should take you to that silly little site.
122 - Nancy
Well, it's around here, somewhere, I know it is. Thanks, Silas.
123 - anonyMoses
Megadittoes, dewd!
I think it was really kewl when you said that President Clinton "carefully and purposely accusing President Bush of callous indifference to black people." Your imagination is ossum dewd!
And when you said: "Most former presidents at least try to put on a minimal facade of class", I thought, "Dewd! Kick some butt!" You're bigger than Rush, man! Bigger than Jesus!
And you knock it out of the park when you say: "there's the casual conflating of black with poor."
Conflating is such an ass-kicking word! I looooove it! You are so freaking ossum it's crazy.
But you don't stop there. You say: "Bill Clinton on ABC, on the other hand, knew what he was doing, and did it with malice aforethought."
Malice afterthought is sooo kewl! And Clinton makes watches run backwards. Bush is a futuristical GENIUS! Look at all his ideas! He makes Einstein look like Schopenhauer or Pat Buttram! Really!
Man, you should get a radio show! The fat man's messiah can't carry on forever. Make it your own, dawg! Yourn kampf! That'll show them wussies!
Bill Clinton was politically incorrect. He didn't do what he was supposed to do. He too good to suck up?
Too free to be politically correct?
Think he is more important because he was elected? The nerve!
Dewd, I worship you! (Granted, dull minds think alike.)
-anonyMoses Hyperlincoln Jr.
124 - anonyMoses
On Bush's High Crimes, Misdemeanors and Subsequent Chimpeachment
I notice that folks are talking about Bush's snowywhite unimpeachable character, or the converse, and I must say that I prefer Converse. Hightops. Brown.
Not only that, but John Dean has said that Bush was guilty of no less than 11 impeachable crimes.
Hmm...
125 - Al Barger
Thanks for your kind words, anonyMoses. Glad to count you as a fan.