Those are very carefully crafted words obviously engineered to stoke resentment and racial paranoia in the black community.
Bill Clinton appeared on ABC's This Week this morning (9-18-05) with George Stephanopoulos, carefully and purposely accusing President Bush of callous indifference to black people.…
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— go to most recent comments26 - RJ
I use "GW Bush" all the time...what is wrong with "BJ Clinton" ???
27 - Eric Berlin
Meant to say "insatiably curious..."
28 - Eric Berlin
Yes, RJ, I agree with Bennett in saying that there's plenty of *real* things to disagree with both Clintons about.
29 - RJ
"Since he's a lock to be confirmed, don't you think Hillary is smart enough (in conjunction with her advisors) to make the decision to say yea or nay without the input from Bill?"
So, IOW, she doesn't even want to DISCUSS this huge issue with her own HUSBAND, who will also be her strongest supporter and campaigner in 2008?
Look, if that's the case, she's toast. The American people will not elect their first female President if she's a willing party to such a bogus marriage...
30 - RJ
Believe it or not, character matters. At least to the American voting public.
If Hillary and BJ can be portrayed (truthfully) as a "couple" of opportunists who don't really love each other and who don't even sleep in the same bed, or have sex, or even talk much, but only stay "together" for political reasons, then that will be a big issue in the minds of voters.
31 - Bennett
No, I'm saying that it's really not a HUGE issue.
Dealing with Iraq is a HUGE issue.
Education in America is a HUGE issue.
Deficit spending is a HUGE issue.
Preparing for natural disasters and potential terrorist attacks is a HUGE issue.
Tax reform that helps the middle class is a HUGE issue.
The "already a done deal" Roberts vote doesn't even show up on the radar of things that need to be discussed.
So yeah, I believe him when he says that he and Hillary haven't talked about this issue.
There are more important things to talk about.
32 - Eric Berlin
...can be portrayed.
Portrayed by whom? I'll answer that: there will always be people who try and rip the Clintons apart in exactly the same manner that is always deunciated as Bush Bashing today.
I'll repeat: if the Clintons claim to be a happy couple, have worked out their differences, etc. why the hell should anyone look to "portray" them as anything different?
I'll also repeat: there are plenty of policy reasons that you can disagree with either Clinton upon. Why bother getting tawdry and going after their personal lives? It's not necessary and not at all effective.
33 - Scott
Bogus marriage or not, Bill Clinton has his own issues he's tending to in New York and elsewhere around the globe and Hilary is in Washington doint her thing...given that they are both extremely busy, they may not get to talk much. Occham's Razor: that's the simplest answer I can provide. I'm sure it will come up when they do find the time to talk...
34 - Eric Berlin
Yes Scott, Bill Clinton just wrapped up his first Clinton Global Initiative with leaders from around the globe. He then gave (at least) two major interviews for the Sunday morning shows over the weekend. Hillary is one of the most active Senators on the Democratic circuit. So they've both been pretty busy...
35 - RJ
If you believe him on this, I suspect you'll be more than willing to believe a lot of other BS the Dems stuff down your throat over the next 3+ years...
Bon appetit! :)
36 - Bennett
RJ, don't retreat into inanities!
You can do better than that. Hell, you picked Redskins over Bears last week. C'mon, man!
37 - RJ
Normal married couples, you know, talk every day. They, you know, own cell phones.
And they often talk about their work...
If Hillary has not once mentioned the Roberts nomination to her own husband, I would be utterly shocked.
Occam's Razor leads me to belive he's a liar.
Hey, it wouldn't be the first time he lied to a national audience! :)
38 - Eric Berlin
RJ -- My point is that you (and Al) are exactly predisposed NOT to believe anything Bill Clinton says.
39 - RogerMDillion
RJ Grande,
The Roberts nomination isn't a big issue. He's already got enough votes to get in on all accounts.
You have no idea how the campaign is going to be run so it's premature to say it's a fact that her husband will be on the stump. It will be a numbers game. If she's doing fine on her own, Bill won't get involved.
"If Hillary and [Bill] can be portrayed (truthfully) as a 'couple' of opportunists"
They are already portrayed like that. It will only be brought up when the right starts losing on actual issues like Iraq, Katrina and the economy.
"If he lied, well, then he's a liar "
Do mean a lie like when President Bush said, "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees."
Your odd fixations reveal your political knowledge is about as poor as your football knowledge.
40 - RJ
Well, when someone perjures themselves, and lies to the American people in a public statement...yes, a lot of people are going to question the veracity of what this individual has to say in the future...
41 - Eric Berlin
I'm trying to remember how many convictions the Whitewater hearings yielded again...
42 - RJ
"The Roberts nomination isn't a big issue."
Riiight...
Like, two-plus years from now, after he has written numerous right-of-center opinions on the USSC, and overturned a few rulings that Leftists agreed with, you don;t think this will be an issue???
43 - RogerMDillion
"If Hillary has not once mentioned the Roberts nomination to her own husband, I would be utterly shocked."
Don't you think that's going to be asked about in the future? And the right will jump all over Bill getting a thrid term. They are both lawyers and know how to prepare, so if they don't talk about it, then people like you who don't know what important issues are, will have nothing to whine about.
44 - Eric Berlin
RJ -- Are you serious in your fixation about whether or not Bill and Hillary discussed the Roberts nomination?
Just curious.
45 - RJ
"I'm trying to remember how many convictions the Whitewater hearings yielded again..."
Your time might be better spent trying to recall all the US Presidents who have been disbarred by the US Supreme Court...
46 - Scott
Let's not forget either that he's doing major work with the first president Bush with their Katrina relief fund. Bill's a busy boy...he has bigger fish to fry than hashing out a cel phone strategy session with his wife on the Roberts nomination.
47 - RogerMDillion
Not if he has enough votes to get in. Do you know how the Senate works? It's not like she's going to be the tie breaker.
48 - RJ
"RJ -- Are you serious in your fixation about whether or not Bill and Hillary discussed the Roberts nomination?"
It's hardly a "fixation" of mine - it's merely an obvious lie that BJ committed that is being denied by numberous BJ apologists...
49 - RogerMDillion
That's so important because you know how many ex-Presidents pratice law.
50 - Bennett
That's true, RJ. But at some point you have to let the poisen drain from your soul and move on with your life. Hate causes cancer, you know.
I don't hate GWB, not any more anyway. I've moved on. Bill Clinton is doing a lot of good for a lot of people. If he was the slimy bastard you paint him to be, would the Bushes even be involved with him?
He made mistakes, we all do. Lord knows I wouldn't wany my secrets hung up on the national clothesline...
What, should we shoot the guy? Or let him contribute to our country in ways that he is suited to contribute?
I was pissed off at the whole affair, because I liked the man, and was incredibly dissapointed at his lapse in judgment.
But I know that I am far from being without sin, so hey, let's move on and let Ex-President Bill Clinton do what he can to make ammends for letting his country down.
It's what I would beg for, if I was him.
51 - Eric Berlin
RJ -- I've enjoyed this little time warp back to 1998, but I'll check out now to worry about things of actual importance.
52 - RJ
If Roberts is confirmed (and he will be), and then he issues a few "controversial" majority opinions that the Left doesn't like (which WILL happen), then those who voted to support his nomination will have to face tough questions in the Dem nomination process.
Does anyone truly disagree with this???
53 - RogerMDillion
Wrong again, RJ Grande. You have yet to prove it's a lie and that's all anyone is saying, but I know your side hates it when actual facts are used.
54 - Scott Butki
I stopped reading when I hit this line:
"First off, ABC News is rapidly losing credibility as a news source. Fox News is often accused of being biased in favor of the right, but they're not hiring Karen Hughes or Karl Rove to conduct news interviews with George Bush. That ABC absolutely handed their prime Sunday morning news show to a supposedly retired political operative tells you a lot a"
Are you perhaps forgetting the identity of the CEO of Fox News? Namely, Roger Aisles, a political spin doctor-campaign manager for repubs for years?
Here's his career summary via Wikipedia:
Employment history
Property Assistant, The Mike Douglas Show, 1962-1965
Producer, The Mike Douglas Show, 1965-1967
Executive Producer, The Mike Douglas Show, 1967-1968
Media adviser to Richard M. Nixon Presidential Campaign in 1968
Consultant in 1984 to President Ronald Reagan
Media Consultant for Vice President George H. W. Bush's 1988 Presidential campaign
Chief Executive Officer, Fox News Channel 1996-present
Ok, and you expect me to be concerned about Steph. as a host?
As for this clinton business... have you ever noticed that about the only time you hear conservatives complain about racism is when they're accused of being
guilty of it?
Incidentally Aisles was involved in the Willie Horton ad? If you want to talk about "racial demagoguery - " that's a good place to start.
And before you or anyone says that was not demagogery let me post the definition from dictionary.com:
demagogue
n : an orator who appeals to the passions and prejudices of his audience [syn
55 - Eric Berlin
Bennett -- Very well said, I largely agree.
56 - RJ
"That's true, RJ. But at some point you have to let the poisen [sic] drain from your soul and move on with your life"
And I will. As soon as you admit the obvious fact that I was right, and BJ lied on national television...again...
57 - Bennett
...and you held off for an entire 30 minutes without calling him "BJ"!
I'm so proud of you Anthony!
58 - RJ
you held off for an entire 30 minutes without calling him "BJ"
Aren't those his initials?
59 - RogerMDillion
Don't you think the left will bite their tongue if Hil is their best shot at getting the White House back?
You have yet to show you have any serious grasp about the way politics works.
60 - MCH
comment #48:
What exactly does "numberous" mean?
61 - RogerMDillion
No, it would be WJ. You are just as bad of a liar as Bush.
62 - RJ
So, after all the amusing political kabuki BS, we end up with the same questions that no one seems to want to answer:
Did BJ Clinton lie in a nationally-televised interview with his former subordinate George Snuffleupagus ... or is he just in a sham marriage, that he only maintains in order to not harm himself politically?
Either way, he's a lying ass.
Have fun in 2008, Dems! :)
63 - Bennett
Thanks Roger, I was on that one too.
64 - RJ
"No, it would be WJ."
Does anyone seriously call him "William" ???
65 - RogerMDillion
Does anyone take you seriously, RJ Grande
66 - RogerMDillion
"is he just in a sham marriage, that he only maintains in order to not harm himself politically?"
Just how would it harm politically? Bush constantly calls him for help.
67 - Scott Butki
If your biggest concern today is whether Bill did or didn't talk to his wife about a supreme court nominee than, well, I'm surprised because on my list of things to worry that's pretty low, below nuclear war and the war in Iraq and the cleanup of Katrina.
Look, let's turn this around.
Judges like Roberts are told things in confidence they are not supposed to share with anybody.
Just as presidents like Bush sr. and jr. are told confidential information.
By your logic Roberts and Bush are in "sham marriages" if they don't talk about these things - violating those confidences - and are "liars" if they suggest they are.
68 - RJ
So. I see a lot of personal attacks against me, and no real, credible answer to the main question I asked in this post:
DID BJ CLINTON LIE ON NATIONAL TELEVISION?
IF HE DID, THEN HE'S A LIAR.
IF HE DIDN'T, THEN HE'S IN A SHAM MARRIAGE.
Choose one. And run with it, in 2008... ;-P
69 - RJ
I also see a lot of comments attempting to change the subject...
Not surprising! :)
70 - Eric Berlin
Or he wanted to distance his own position from a United States Senator on the Judiciary Committee who is about to cast a vote on a nominee for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
Talk about a "third way"!
71 - Scott
So, is there some evidence that he has talked to Hilary about Roberts that you have and we don't know about RJ?
Will some Republican pundit grill him with some hard-hitting question like "Mr. Clinton on This Week with George Snuffalupagus on September 18, 2005, you declared you had not discussed Judge Roberts nomination with your wife Hilary when you, in fact, had done just that. Care to explain?"
How is this a big deal, like, at all????
72 - RogerMDillion
Of course not, but RJ Grande knows it happened.
73 - RJ
"Or he wanted to distance his own position from a United States Senator on the Judiciary Committee who is about to cast a vote on a nominee for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court."
Then why not be...I dunno...HONEST?
He could have said that he has opinions on the matter, and his "wife" has opinions on the matter, and they are to remain private.
Instead, he (almost certainly) lied.
CLINTON IN 2008!!!
74 - RJ
"How is this a big deal, like, at all????"
So, I guess politicians lying while giving nationally-broadcast interviews on friendly media doesn't bother you...
Should I remember that? :)
75 - RJ
"Of course not, but RJ Grande knows it happened."
Either he lied on nat'l TV, or he's in a sham marriage.
YOU DECIDE! :)