Those who favor unrealistic border security schemes are either ignorant of the facts or pursuing an agenda other than solving the immigration problem.
The fun thing about the immigration debate is that it never goes away. I started writing on the topic a year ago, firmly convinced that it was a vital issue to address because we might have a new immigration policy at any moment. Now I realize that I can keep writing on it forever, because the anti-immigration ideologues will never come to their senses. So we'll never get any kind of immigration policy passed, and bloggers and pundits can feel free to enjoy the topic forever.…
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— go to most recent comments76 - Nancy
If they want to stay here to work, fine - but they need to register, at the very least, pay taxes, keep their noses clean as far as not getting involved in criminal activities, and understand it WON'T necessarily lead to citizenship or a permanent residency, altho if they have clean records, they're certainly welcome to apply.
I agree entirely the whole immigration process needs to be fixed radically. The pace at which applications are processed currently is a farce, especially considering we have all kinds of computers, criminal record tracking programs, etc. There is no reason or excuse why the US should be so backward in this respect. But we also need to establish standards: we DON'T want to just admit anyone who's breathing. It's a pity, but it isn't our place or interest to admit every illiterate, unwashed bottom feeder that their native governments can't do anything with, either; we have plenty of our own, as pointed out in the previous entry.
Perhaps for every bottom feeding loser that other countries import, we could export one of our own to that country, on the understanding that Mexico (or Canada, or China, or whereever) would be perfectly free to "re-educate" Cousin BillyBob in good work habits. That would be fair, and would keep the population numbers level.
77 - Nancy
Actually, now I think of it, perhaps we should sterilize Cousin BillyBob as well before sending him over.
78 - Peter J
Dave, This subject demonstrates how difficult it is to be a free thinking, intelligent person in America without having to worry about falling into line with all of the mindless Zombies who label themselves Left Wing Liberals or Right Wing Conservatives.
As soon as somebody labels themselves or uses those labels as an insult to another person it means it's time to move on to the next article because you're no longer conversing with a person with a brain, you've connected with a Zomby.
Congratulations on having a brain,Dave!!
I'm second generation from Sicily. My Grandmother and Grandfather (speaking no English, but they learned) came in the very early 20th century. Sicilians were WOPs, Greaseballs, Ginnies, baby making machines and whatever else ignorant assholes could come up with (considering, as you said, that they themselves were probably twice removed immigrants.) They made sure that my Parents and Family spoke clear English and that we too spoke English. Now, we are Americans, with no connection to our Mother country except knowing a few 'slang' terms and how to cook a meal that no one ever said they didn't like.
When I was a child (growing up in South Boston, one of the toughest 'Irish' cities in U.S.)I had to contend with all of the ignorant slander one could take. I lived there until I was 20 yrs old and came out the other side and grateful for an experience which a lot of people could never take and a lot stronger for it.
It's tough for me to figure which side of the coin I land on in this issue and if someone has half a brain they can figure why!
We were Legal but we were still the 'Mexicans' of the 1900s. So, if you were me, what side of the coin would you land on?
79 - Nancy
One thing I find interesting is that no one has ever complained about immigrant cooking, legal or otherwise. Food would seem to be the great leveller.
80 - Dave Nalle
why do you put cubans in your list of criminals?
cubans are less involved in crime than mexicans
I'm just going with the incarceration stats. A larger percentage of the cubano population than the mexican population is in jail. It may seem otherwise because there are so many more Mexicans, but the percentages are pretty clear.
Nalle is Finnish for Teddy Bear
Actually, it's Swedish for bear. It's a loan word in Finnish. People think it means Teddy Bear because it's associated with Nalle Puh which is the Swedish for Pooh Bear AKA Winnie the Pooh.
Dave
81 - Dave Nalle
Again you are beefing up your resume for the NYT or CBS. Amazing how much fact checking you did on the sources that I have quoted...but in your own article you name only one source...which is a left wing pro illegal immigration group...
You seem to have some sort of perceptual disorder. In addition to the source cited in the article there are SEVEN cited at the end which you seem to have missed. Perhaps the NYT and CBS get away with the BS they pass off as news because they have readers as undiscerning as you are.
Here one fact that you cannot argue with...I live in the Socialist state of New Jersey I pay over $900 month for family health insurance for some crapy HMO...the ILLEGAL immigrants in town get free healthcare - no copays of deductible with free dental care ----
If you didn't have a decent income and an HMO you could get that too. And if you're paying that much for insurance on a family plan with an HMO you need to shop around a bit for better insurance.
I kind of wonder if part of the problem here is lack of experience with actual illegals. Many of those who oppose immigration reform seem to come from far off states like NJ which have only limited Mexican illegal populations. Perhaps all the criminals and slackers have moved to those states leaving all the good Mexicans back here on the border. That would explain the statistics not supporting the anecdotal stories of those living in states far from the border.
Dave
82 - Dave Nalle
Re #72. Nancy, you scare the hell out of me. You've now turned into Dr. Mengele. Very creepy.
And I'd like to see a source for your claim that 3/4 of small businesses employ off the books illegals, because the data I've seen certainly doesn't bear that out, nor does my personal observation.
Dave
83 - Dave Nalle
Just for your reference, Nancy, the IRS investigated only about 100 cases of evading the employment tax last year and about half the cases investigated resulted in convictions. Given the hundreds of thousands of businesses in the nation, that suggests that only a tiny fraction of businesses cheat on their employment taxes.
Dave
84 - Nancy
Dave, what you don't know about the IRS is pathetic. Very few cases go as far as tax court, which is what you're referencing. Criteria for prosecuting there invariably involve a lot more than just employing illegals; usually there's Other Stuff involved as well. MOST cases are simply assessed fines - penalties & interest thereon, and it's collected however, whether that involved seizing the employer's house, business, or what have you. It never goes as far as tax court. It doesn't have to. Once you've taken a business's assets, you've pretty much shut them down.
85 - Lawrence
A little closer to the border here in Santa Fe, New Mexico I have witnessed a huge influx of illegal immigrants over the past 5 years. There was always a notable presence, but since the City Council passed a decree a few years ago declaring Santa Fe a sanctuary city, we have had an explosion of illegals flooding in. There was a time about 20 years ago, when I believed it was a moral obligation to assist the impoverished immigrant, even encouraging my contractor boss to sponsor illegals to obtain citizenship. My view has gradually changed as I have seen a new mind set at work within much of the illegals' community. It is now common to encounter an attitude of contempt, a lack of respect from many; the natural consequence of human nature when laws are disregarded and people are rewarded for breaking them. There is notable strain upon the social services and health care facilities. New Mexican communities are struggling with financial shortfalls and seeking tax increases to fund public schools and indigent health care. I live on a street where a majority are illegals renting homes owned by landlords who live on a better side of town. It has degraded to the point where some homes look like sections of ghetto Juarez transplanted. I have worked closely with many illegals through the years in the construction trades, speak their language and know that there are many who are good, hard working people. I also know many who are rotten to the core. However, almost universal is a reluctance to assimilate into our culture. So, as in most important issues there must be a balance when considering the right approach for dealing with them. Whatever legislation is passed must put the interest of America and it's citizens first. This must begin with stopping the flood at the border. Secondly, immigrants who are following the legal process must be given priority. Third, the rest should be required to jump through what ever hoops are necessary to prove their productive value before even having a chance of staying. We can't continue in denial as to the scope of the problem. Mr. Dave Nalle is either out of touch, or part of the pro illegal immigrant agenda. Anyone who really cares about America and is honest, must understand that this is not the same as the great immigration movement through Ellis Island 100 years ago, and that it can't go on like this without tremendous impact upon our country
86 - Dave Nalle
We were Legal but we were still the 'Mexicans' of the 1900s. So, if you were me, what side of the coin would you land on?
Traditionally, just like fratboys who are eager to haze new pledges, those most recently assimilated into the population are most eager to persecute those newest to arrive in the nation. It started with persecuting the Irish, then the Italians, then the eastern Europeans and Chinese, then the Mexicans.
Maytbe I'm pro-immigration because my progenitors came over here on the Susan Constant in 1607 and never had anyone persecute them - well, except for their masters since they were bond slaves.
Dave
87 - Dave Nalle
Lawrence, you seem to have missed the point of the article. I've gone to some pains to illustrate some of the misconceptions about immigration, but the main thrust is to point out that one of the most effective ways to stop illegal immigration - much better than an idiotic and expensive wall - is to implement a guest worker program which will channel those who want to be employed into working legally and massively reduce illegal immigration.
Dave
88 - Lawrence
Dave, I believe that a guest worker program is essentially another Reagan era amnesty plan which was meant to be the "last time" amnesty. What that plan succeeded in doing was encouraging millions more to come illegally until we now have the mess we have. My point is that we MUST control the illegal crossing of the border somehow, then we can begin to deal with the population that is now here. That must include a comprehensive effort to make hard choices about about what is best for America, not Mexico, South America, or it's illegal immigrants
89 - MCH
"Nalle is Finnish for Teddy Bear"
Wrong, Nalle is Texish for "Know-it-all"
90 - zingzing
Nalle Puh... lovely. from now on, whenever i disagree with dave, i'll just reference "pooh." it's better than the usual "bullshit." but, i'm feeling "malarky" these days.
91 - Christopher Rose
OK kids, let's get back to the subject of Mr Nalle's fine article, shall we?
92 - Dave Nalle
Dave, I believe that a guest worker program is essentially another Reagan era amnesty plan which was meant to be the "last time" amnesty.
How does that make any sense at all? The Reagan era amnesty was an amnesty. It let illegals in the country stay in the country and become citizens. How is that at all similar to a program which lets illegals stay in the country temporarily on a work visa? An amnesty is based on letting them stay forever. A guest worker program requires that they leave after a specified time period. Couldn't be more different.
Dave
93 - Nancy
It's all moot because the cowardly polticians on capitol hill are going to avoid doing as much as possible to try to suck up to as many idiot voters as possible. I think where the legal action is going to be is on the state level, witness the recent events in ... I think it was Colorado? ... and on the local levels. In any event, I think mass demonstration like those of a few months ago, where hordes of people came out in support of illegals, is going to create a backlash if it hasn't already. I personally resent illegals "demanding" anything, when they're by their very illicit nature not entitled to anything, and especially not any kind of so-called "rights". That they have the brass balls to demonstrate in masses like that is gross effrontery & disrepect, of those who are trying to come in legally, of those who are already here legally, and of the laws of this country. One of the big points everybody always makes is that the US is a country under the law; well, if we allow this kind of disrespect & fail to enforce those laws, then it's all a sham & a lie, isn't it? And what other laws shall we then throw out because they're 'inconvenient' to us individually? At the VERY least, those foreigners here on our soil should be respecting our laws, and that begins with our immigration laws, as outdated as they may be. Hopefully they'll be improved quickly, but even if they aren't they're still The Laws. No one can be a good citizen & start off a new life here by violating the laws.
94 - Dave Nalle
Nancy, we should throw out ALL laws that are inconvenient to us individually. That's the nature of America. We have too damned many laws and if some of them make no sense, let's by all means get rid of them.
As for nothing being done about this issue, that was the gist of my first paragraph.
Dave
95 - Lawrence
Does anyone really believe that a guest worker program will really work? I'd like to hear how we could convince all the millions of illegals that have put down roots here, started companies, bought homes, cars, etc. to register in a temporary worker program and agree to leave after a specified time.
Any honest look at that proposal reveals the fact that it is a ruse, and will only serve to put off the crisis for another few years, after which time America will never be the same. By the way, I am a grandchild of Italian immigrants (see# 78, Peter) from Sicily, that became Americans and never looked back.
96 - lori
I also think we should come down hard on undocumented workers. Not illegal aliens, but American citizens who take jobs from legal, documented workers (especially in the summer!), get paid under the table, and get a free education.
Who are these vermin? American teenagers, of course. If I see one more teenage babysitter, snow shoveler, or lawn mower get paid in cash, I'm going to scream. Let's round up these lowlifes, sterilize them before they start rutting, and lock them back in their parents' houses where they came from.
I think the least we can do is stop these heinous crimes by American citizens before we start worrying about what people from other countries are doing wrong, don't you?
97 - Peter J
Dave, On 78, did I come off sounding against any sort of program that would help immigrants become legal? If so, that wasn't my intention. Because of my circumstances I can feel for both sides, being an empathetic person, I don't want to see anyone with good intentions suffer. So, I agree with you on a program to intigrate them legally with stipulations, just as my family had. As I said,(trying to be as nice so as not to offend) most of my experience now, in Fl. for 30 years, is with Puerto Rican Hispanics. These people are instant citizens with no stipulations and what we have is an entire population who take over a large area, will not learn English, will not teach their children English and the majority of time have a chip on their shoulder as though we owe them something. I try very hard to not categorize anyone, I don't believe I'm a bigot, I like to think that I'm too intelligent a person for that but this is a real test. It's my belief however that the Puerto Rican race is a good part of where animosity comes from, as they definitely show much disdain for Americans. I think people see an hispanic and for some reason it's assumed that they're Mexican. One real problem, it was mentioned Mexicans are Baby Factories, It's not unusual to see a young puerto Rican girl with 2 armloads of kids with no father in the picture. Since they're citizens they apply , and get, welfare, food stamps, medicaid and on and on.
Next, We are an English speaking country, Learn It. Try to act like you love this country and quit trying to make this Country like your tiny, crime ridden Island. You get all of the benefits of being an American at least try to be polite to people. Speaking Spanish and teaching your children the language is fine, in your home! When out in public, speak English. You're not doing your children any favors by not letting them learn to speak our language, besides, you're alienating yourself.
This is a perfect example of how we can fuck up big time by not having a stratergy for citizenship.
It's obvious that we cannot 'ship em all out' so why not be intelligent and try to figure a way to integrate them, so many a year, and make them learn English.
When in Rome, do as the Romans!
98 - Richard Brodie
Dave: This [public education] is the one area of services that Mexicans DO use, because they need to learn English and one way to do it is to send their kids to schools and then learn English from the kids. This is a GOOD thing. We need them to learn English and adapt to the culture and unlike other immigrant groups they make an effort to do it.
Yeah. Good for everyone except the poor American kids who's teachers have to spend most of their time with non-English speakers. Nancy mentioned Dalton, Georgia. As recently as 1990 only 4% of the students were Latino. Now it's 61%. What's it going to be by 2020, 95 percent?
And furthermore why do they "need to learn English and adapt to the culture" if as you say:
the vast majority of undocumented immigrants return to their home countries after spending a limited time in the US and most (64.7%) come to the US for a year or less to work and then go home.
Why? Because you're full of shit. If what you say were true, then there wouldn't be 30 million Hispanics right now in this country, in the mere 41 years since the Kennedy/Cellers traitorious 1965 Immigration "Reform" - surpassing the percentage that it took blacks 400 years to achieve!
At the current rate of Hispanic invasion, this will be just one more majority Hispanic country in the Western Hemisphere by 2050.
What's wrong with preserving ONE country on this side of the world that isn't majority Hispanic? Why do you want the entire Western Hemisphere to be overrun by the Spanish-descended nations that all became thrid-world shit holes - thereby spoiling the one, English-descended country, that managed to produce a prosperous, First World economy?
99 - Richard Brodie
La Reconquista is disavowed by the leadership of La Raza, and I'm not sure if they're even part of it anymore.
It's not surprising that they would soft-pedal and put it on the back burner for the time being, in order to first achieve some respectablility and the kind of acceptance that merits having Karl Rove as a guest speaker!
Their motto is "For the race [Mexicans] everything - for those outside the race nothing" (La Raza means THE race). So I think I'll form an organization called "The Race", whose motto will be "For the Whites everything - for those who are non-white nothing". As long as I give out assurances that we don't advocate a reverse Reconquista (kicking all the Mexicans back to Mexico), I should be able to get Mr. Rove to come and say glowing things about us at OUR convention, right?
100 - Dave Nalle
Does anyone really believe that a guest worker program will really work? I'd like to hear how we could convince all the millions of illegals that have put down roots here, started companies, bought homes, cars, etc. to register in a temporary worker program and agree to leave after a specified time.
64% of illegals stay in the US for a year or less. 80% stay in the US for 3 years or less. These are clearly people who have no intention of being permanent residents. They're the ones a guest worker program would be perfect for. Such a program would leave us with a lot more options and a lot less expense when dealing with the other 2 million or so who want to live here permanently.
Dave
101 - Dave Nalle
Yeah. Good for everyone except the poor American kids who's teachers have to spend most of their time with non-English speakers. Nancy mentioned Dalton, Georgia. As recently as 1990 only 4% of the students were Latino. Now it's 61%. What's it going to be by 2020, 95 percent?
In our local school district this is dealt with by splitting the kids into classes where English is taught in the lower grades and classes where it is not, and then gradually integrating the two. And kids learn languages incredibly fast by the immersion method.
And furthermore why do they "need to learn English and adapt to the culture" if as you say:
Because if they learn English they can enormously increase their earning potential.
Why? Because you're full of shit. If what you say were true, then there wouldn't be 30 million Hispanics right now in this country, in the mere 41 years since the Kennedy/Cellers traitorious 1965 Immigration "Reform" - surpassing the percentage that it took blacks 400 years to achieve!
By 30 million are you referring to all the hispanics to come here in the last 41 years? Because right now even the most generous estimates put the illegal population at less than half of that. Your 30 million figure is less than a million a year. That's not so bad, really. Sort of a drop in the bucket. And I've got bad news for you. There have been hispanics in the US since before the US was a nation. They fought against Mexico for freedom in California and Texas and are just like other citizens.
At the current rate of Hispanic invasion, this will be just one more majority Hispanic country in the Western Hemisphere by 2050.
Not according to the figures you just quoted. On the basis of 30 million in 41 years it would take 82 years for hispanics to reach half of the population, and that's assuming no growth at all in the other population groups.
What's wrong with preserving ONE country on this side of the world that isn't majority Hispanic?
Well, there's always Canada. Maybe you should move there.
Why do you want the entire Western Hemisphere to be overrun by the Spanish-descended nations that all became thrid-world shit holes - thereby spoiling the one, English-descended country, that managed to produce a prosperous, First World economy?
And how, exactly is this going to be the result of a guest worker program?
Dave
102 - Dave Nalle
One real problem, it was mentioned Mexicans are Baby Factories,
This may be true of Puerto Ricans, but Mexicans in Mexico average 2.3 kids per couple and when they move to the US that birth rate declines on average. Not exactly baby factories.
I'm with you on making them learn English, though. It's too our benefit and to theirs.
Dave
103 - Heloise
Who are you working for The U.N.?
Heloise
104 - Dave Nalle
OMG, Heloise. You've got me rolling on the floor laughing. You have no idea how funny that comment was.
Dave
105 - Clavos
Heloise,
Go over to the article "The UN On Human Rights: Still An Embarassment," by Dave Nalle--you'll see why he's ROFL.
Brodie:
You cherry picked the part of my post you thought best fit your point and ignored this part, which refers directly to Reconquista:
"Mostly, they just make a lot of noise, and are not supported by the vast majority of Mexicans in this country."
You also chose to ignore my point that La Raza Unida is now defunct.
Those two omissions completely skewed my point.
106 - Richard Brodie
Mostly, they just make a lot of noise, and are not supported by the vast majority of Mexicans in this country.
Yeah. Just like the Nazis were at one point a fringe party "making a lot of noise" but were "not supported by the vast majority of Germans."
I think you're wrong. I think the idea of taking back the southwestern United States, which ALL Mexicans believe was unjustly appropriated from them, is a universal Mestizo belief and sentiment. And some day, when their reconquest by outpopulating Americans achieves the critical mass of an overwhelming majority status, you WILL SEE a political reconquest.
107 - Richard Brodie
You cherry picked the part of my post you thought best fit your point
So I didn't respond to every point you were trying to make. You didn't respond to every point I was trying to make either! There is a term to describe people who, in the process of condemning someone else for doing something, do exactly what it is they are condeming! I'll give you a clue. It starts with the letter H________.
108 - Clavos
Yeah. Just like the Nazis were at one point a fringe party "making a lot of noise" but were "not supported by the vast majority of Germans."
I think you're wrong. I think the idea of taking back the southwestern United States, which ALL Mexicans believe was unjustly appropriated from them, is a universal Mestizo belief and sentiment.
What bullshit Brodie. You obviously don't have a clue what Mexicans are like--your comparison to the nazis is astonishing--the vast majority of Mexicans, here AND in Mexico have no interest whatever in reclaiming anything. As Nalle has pointed out repeatedly, they come up here to work, not to conquer.
I've spent half of my life living in Mexico and working with Mexicans; I can tell you categorically, you don't know what you're talking about.
109 - Dave Nalle
I think you're wrong. I think the idea of taking back the southwestern United States, which ALL Mexicans believe was unjustly appropriated from them, is a universal Mestizo belief and sentiment.
Since you're not a Mexican and clearly have zero contact with them I doubt you have any idea what they 'all' think. You ought to avoid vast generalizations if you don't want to look like a fool. And BTW, do you even know what a Mestizo is, because it's a strange and very specific term for you to be using (or more likely misusing) in this context.
Dave
110 - Mohjho
Now Dave, if I can't point to this vast wave of brown skinned horde decimating our economy, who can I blame for my own lack of upward mobility?
Well?
111 - Gina Weiss
MOST cases are simply assessed fines - penalties & interest thereon, and it's collected however, whether that involved seizing the employer's house, business, or what have you.
...Inflicted routinely upon citizens and businesses in the form of liens, levies, salary garnishments, property seizures, etc. -- all of which are administrative, agency actions taken without any judicial review or court order.
The systematic abuse of power - the IRS and DOJ violations of tax payer’s due process rights - is unconstitutional and will no longer be tolerated.
It never goes as far as tax court. It doesn't have to. Once you've taken a business's assets, you've pretty much shut them down.
The use of force by the IRS against the person or property of any tax payer without an evidentiary hearing and formal order issued by an Article III Federal Court, is a direct violation of the privacy and due process clauses of the United States Constitution. It appears that the IRS has now been put on notice " they are not above the law.
On January 25, 2005, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit held that taxpayers cannot be compelled by the IRS to turn over personal and private property to the IRS, absent a federal court order.
See the court's decision here.
Nancy, we should throw out ALL laws that are inconvenient to us individually. That's the nature of America. We have too damned many laws and if some of them make no sense, let's by all means get rid of them.
Amen. And also seek the enforcement of those which protect our individual liberties.
112 - Richard Brodie
You obviously don't have a clue what Mexicans are like ... the vast majority of Mexicans, here AND in Mexico have no interest whatever in reclaiming anything.
Does MEXICAN University of California Professor Armando Navarro have no clue what HIS OWN PEOPLE are like? HE says:
"Aztlan [the Southwest United States] is a state of mind for some people. It's a point in history. For some, it's a political place, for some it's a SEPARATE NATION. It represents LAND LOST. You are sitting in a city, Riverside, that used to be in Mexico. That gives us a sense of ENTITLEMENT. This was OUR LAND."
As Nalle has pointed out repeatedly, they come up here to work, not to conquer.
Wake up and smell the taco sauce, Clavos. It's not the illiterate peasants of a nation who set the direction of national policy. It's the intellectuals like Navarro, and the cadres of ideological agitators they foment.
The recent MASS demonstrations of Mexican flag wavers in Los Angeles give the lie to the pro-Hispanic propaganda that blind and/or anesthetized multiculti idiots like you and Nalle are spouting.
113 - Richard Brodie
The ridiculous impracticality of deporting 12 million people we can't even identify has already been clearly demonstrated.
To the contrary, the practicality of deporting millions of illegals HAS already been clearly demonstrated:
In 1954, Eisenhower appointed retired Gen. Joseph "Jumpin' Joe" Swing, a former West Point classmate and veteran of the 101st Airborne, as the new INS commissioner.
On June 17, 1954 "Operation Wetback" began. Because political resistance was lower in California and Arizona, the roundup of aliens began there. Some 750 agents swept northward through agricultural areas with a goal of 1,000 apprehensions a day. By the end of July, over 50,000 aliens were caught in the two states. Another 488,000, fearing arrest, had fled the country.
By mid-July, the crackdown extended northward into Utah, Nevada, and Idaho, and eastward to Texas.
By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and an estimated 500,000 to 700,000 illegals had left the Lone Star State voluntarily.
Unlike today, Mexicans caught in the roundup were not simply released at the border, where they could easily reenter the US. To discourage their return, Swing arranged for buses and trains to take many aliens deep within Mexico before being set free.
Tens of thousands more were put aboard two hired ships, the Emancipation and the Mercurio. The ships ferried the aliens from Port Isabel, Texas, to Vera Cruz, Mexico, more than 500 miles south.
General Swing's fast-moving campaign soon secured America's borders " an accomplishment no other president has since equaled. Illegal migration had dropped 95 percent by the late 1950s.
Several retired Border Patrol agents who took part in the 1950s effort say much of what Swing did could be repeated today.
Donald Coppock, who headed the Patrol from 1960 to 1973, says that if Swing and Ike were still running immigration enforcement, "they'd be on top of this in a minute."
William Chambers, another '50s veteran, agrees. "They could do a pretty good job" sealing the border.
"When we start enforcing the law, these various businesses are, on their own, going to replace their [illegal] workforce with a legal workforce."
1. End the current practice of taking captured Mexican aliens to the border and releasing them. Instead, deport them deep into Mexico, where return to the US would be more costly.
2. Crack down hard on employers who hire illegals. Without jobs, the aliens won't come.
3. End "catch and release" for non-Mexican aliens. It is common for illegal migrants not from Mexico to be set free after their arrest if they promise to appear later before a judge. Few show up.
114 - Clavos
The recent MASS demonstrations of Mexican flag wavers in Los Angeles give the lie to the pro-Hispanic propaganda that blind and/or anesthetized multiculti idiots like you and Nalle are spouting.
There are approximately 12 million Mexicans in the USA today. How many were at those demonstrations--several thousand? If even 100,000 demonstrated, that's still less than 1%.
Prof. Navarro's speeches are his own opinions and do NOT represent the views of all Mexicans by any measure. His political positions are no more representative of those of ALL Mexicans than the garbage spewed by David Duke represents what Americans believe. Navarro HIMSELF admits this in the quote you posted:
"Aztlan [the Southwest United States] is a state of mind for some people. It's a point in history. For some, it's a political place, for some it's a SEPARATE NATION. (emphasis mine).
And, Brodie, my knowledge of what Mexicans are like and what they are motivated by comes from direct and close association and friendship with literally HUNDREDS of them over a span of more than thirty years.
I reiterate, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Your opinions reek of bigotry and racism.
115 - Richard Brodie
my knowledge of what Mexicans are like and what they are motivated by comes from direct and close association and friendship with literally HUNDREDS of them over a span of more than thirty years.
And to use your own calculus, that's less than .0001% of them - a thousand times less representative than the 100,000 mexican flag wavers.
Your opinions reek of bigotry and racism.
I am not the kind of a racialist who wants to see the Mexican race destroyed. On the contrary, as a diversity advocate, I would like to see Mexicans, and ALL races, preserved. Consequently I would be strongly opposed to any invasion-level migration of non-Mexicans into the Mexican homeland.
But you ARE the kind of a racist who supports miscengenistic genocide against the white race, by advocating invasion-level migration of non-whites into the white American homeland.
116 - Michael J. West
"Miscegenistic genocide"? What a ludicrous idea. For "miscegeny"--and the very term, as I've demonstrated before, is racist--to occur, there have to be births. How can you commit genocide by creating new lives?
117 - Dave Nalle
Not going to respond directly to Brodie's ridiculous assertions, since Clavos did such an excellent job. I'll just point out that when I suggested that he had no personal knowledge or experience of Mexicans he pointed to the statements of a lunatic extremist as his example of the beliefs of all Mexicans, confirming that he doesn't actually know or have direct personal experience of the general population of immigrants from Mexico.
And just to add some fuel to the fire, let me point out that Richard Brodie's URL link on his comments takes you directly to the website of a prominent neo-nazi, white supremacist organization.
Need I say more?
Dave
118 - Michael J. West
Well, I would have suggested you point out that Mr. Brodie's got the exact same ideology as David Duke, except I remember the last time I brought up David Duke on BC.
119 - Richard Brodie
gen·o·cide n. The extermination of an entire national, RACIAL, political, or ethnic group.
A RACE can be exterminated, i.e. made to DISAPPEAR from this earth, in ways other than by slaughtering all of its members.
And Dave, the National Vanguard is neither neo-nazi nor white supremacist. Those are terms like "racist" and "bigot" that are merely smear words used by organizations like the ADL, SPLC, etc, and by ignorant, brainwashed people like yourself.
NV is white SEPARATIST, not supremacist - recognizing the intrinsic value of ALL races, and the right of all races to have a secure existence, and not have alien cultures imperialistically imposed upon them (like the Bush administration is currently trying to impose "democracy" on the Arabs, for example).
120 - Clavos
But you ARE the kind of a racist who supports miscengenistic genocide against the white race
Now you REALLY have gone off the deep end. Where and when have you EVER heard me advocate genocide of ANY race? And when did the USA become a "white American homeland"? THAT kind of talk is racist--it disenfranchises millions of AMERICANS of color.
Your opinions are disgusting.
121 - Michael J. West
So if your daughter married a Mexican and had his children, how would you respond?
122 - Dave Nalle
"Miscegenistic genocide"? What a ludicrous idea. For "miscegeny"--and the very term, as I've demonstrated before, is racist--to occur, there have to be births. How can you commit genocide by creating new lives?
Michael, it's a common belief among 'white separatists' (new term racists use for themselves). The idea is that the white race will be diluted by breeding with lesser races (the mud people) and be bred out of existence by hybridization.
I'm glad we seem to have finally outed Richard Brodie for what he actually is.
Dave
123 - Michael J. West
Michael, it's a common belief among 'white separatists' (new term racists use for themselves)
I think it's cute that people imagine "white separatist" and "white supremacist" are two different things.
124 - Richard Brodie
I'm glad we seem to have finally outed Richard Brodie for what he actually is.
And while were at it, let's out Abraham Lincoln for what HE actually was:
"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races; I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people." (1858)
"Applications have been made to me ... to favor their emigration, with a view to such colonization as was contemplated in recent acts of Congress ... Several of the Spanish American republics have protested against the sending of such colonies [settlers] to their respective territories ... Liberia and Haiti are, as yet, the only countries to which colonists of African descent from here could go with certainty of being received and adopted as citizens ...
Their old masters will gladly give them wages at least until ... new homes can be found for them, in congenial climes, and with people of their own blood and race." (1862)
Gawd! What a horrible bigotted, xenophobic, racist, proto-nazi this character was.
125 - Richard Brodie
And when did the USA become a "white American homeland"?
The real question is "When did it cease being a white American homeland?" And the answer is, in 1965 with the passage of the disastrous Kennedy/Cellers Immigration Act that for the first time opened the floodgates for non-white, third-world immigrants to begin in earnest the trashing of our nation.