The Religious Right gets their hats handed to them in a conclusive defeat to South Dakota abortion law.
The “South Dakota Women’s Health and Human Life Protection Act (HB 1215)” was voted down Tuesday November 7th, striking a blow to the religious right. The law, based on dubious “scientific” studies was designed as a test case to go directly to the U.S. Supreme Court with the express purpose of overturning 1973s Row v Wade case. It was of course objected to almost immediately after Governor Mike Rounds signed it into law on March 6, 2006.…
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26 - Peter J
Hey Jet,woa,, calm down, don't let people who feel it's their job to tell other people how to live get under your skin. I all boils down to one simple sentence; It's none of your fuckin business.
Personally I'm anti-abortion, but since I'm pretty sure I won't get pregnant (my dick keeps gettin in the way) I don't have to worry about it. It's none of my business.
I also like to smoke a doobie once in a while. It's nobodys business what I do with my body in my home, unless of course someone wants to pick up my mortgage payment.
In that same vein, if these people who want to stand out side a clinic insulting and castigating women, why not calmly approach women and offer to pay all expenses,plus and adopt the child themselves.
They'd rather see a child brought into the world in a poverty situation,with a crack addicted mother ,no father,or with a parent who can't afford or can not handle a child or any other of a hundred situations which are none of their business. These holier than thou ass holes just cost the entire republican party a lot of votes.
I do believe that almost as much as the war people are fed up with Bush and his "so holy I can lie and recklessly go into a war and kill people" attitude.
27 - Peter J
You guys are right, a partial birth abortion is a very heavy situation, I personally have never met anyone who has had one. As far as I know I don't believe any honest Dr. would perform one unless the mothers life is in extreme peril.
I really don't believe that any woman going through any of these procedures is taking a walk in the park. I can only begin to imagine what a woman goes through making this decision. I'm sure there is a lot of consideration given and probably many tears shed.
I have known women who have undergone the procedure and it was in no way easy for them. It's their decision, they must live with it, so back the fuck off!
28 - Jet in Columbus
My point exactly Peter, Let's see them adopt or financially support all their "unborn".
I think I figured out what he was talking about though, my being gay is in my bio at the bottom of all my articles, but it could be confused as being the last paragraph of the article.
The first time i saw the end result, I must admit I was taken aback because it looks like my orphaned upper half is floating in mid air.
29 - Jet in Columbus
As for Partial birth abortions, I sincerely doubt that there are many done at all, and if so very very few. They just like the term to try to sway people as ignorant as they that it happens all the time.
I just saw one on CNN stress that Democrats support abortion all through the entire 9 months of pregnancy which is a blatant lie, but used as a tool to sway those as ignorant as she is.
If we can get that banned, then we can get this banned etc. etc.
30 - Arch Conservative
Nah I don't think I'll ever back the fuck off off and if you have a problem with that that's too fucking bad.
You claim not to want to interfere in anyone else's business and then you advocate abortion on the basis of the possibility of a baby being born into poverty. Gee that doesn't sound like you're playing god now does it Peter? People should only have a baby if the conditions are ideal.. otherwise they should murder it at all costs?
And your let them take care of the babies argument is also bullshit Jet. Since when does advocating against murder make you personally responsible for the welfare of others who would be murdered. Yeah pro lifers are an evil bunch because they don't want the baby to be killed but then they don't want to take care of it. The pro aborts are much better...they just kill the baby from the start and the problems all solved.
Also have you guys ever heard of crisis pregnancy centers? These are centers setup by us evil pro lifers that help women through their pregnancy with financial and emotional aid. They also help women to find families to adopt their babies if they choose not to keep them. Yet PP and every other abortion at all cost lobby sees no value in these centers and demonizes them with propaganda about abortion.
You're worried about the money to take care of babies Jet? Well why don't we take the millions of tax dollars we give to Planned abortionhood every year and use it to provide for these babies. Do you have a problem with that?
31 - Jet in Columbus
What on earth are you babbling about ArchBoingBat? I never told you to back off, I was responding to Peter J. and I wasn't telling him to back off either
As for your views on abortion, you're welcome to them, it's a very devisive subject.
Your opinion doesn't effect me in the slightest, and I know mine doesn't effect yours.
It's impossible to converse with you Archie and I figured that out already, so I try not to bother unless you seem lonely and need someone to talk to and then I'll answer you a few lines just to comfort you. When you call someone I doubt that you use the speaker on your phone, just the mic because you like to hear yourself talk.
But don't expect me to apologize.
This is a news article on an event. Your opinion on the subject of abortion is as valid as mine.
As neither of us can get pregnent, we don't have a damned thing to say about it.
Sorry honey.
Hope you feel better.
Perhaps some Midol?
32 - Arch Conservative
Peter told me to back off not you Jet. I was dressing him.
33 - Jet in Columbus
Oh, well, it's a good thing you cleared that up Arch, it's not like you to be so inprecise.
34 - Arch Conservative
What's with the implication that because a man cannot be pregnant he's not allowed to have opinions on issues relating to abortion and pregnancy Jet? That's like saying no woman in America is allowed to have an opinion on Iraq because women do not serve in infantry units.
35 - Jet in Columbus
Women serve in nearly every other position in Iraq and have sons and daughters there, so they have a valid reason for their opinion. As usual mentioning Iraq is a lame attempt to distract from the subject, thinking that if they'll agree with you on that, they'll agree with you on this.
Men don't carry a nine pound bowling ball in their stomach and give birth. A child is a part of its mother, a piece of her, and she should have complete control and say over her body.
What you and others are trying to imply is that from the moment of conception, it becomes a separate entity from the mother even though it's inside her like a parasite and that's wrong
A child is a part of its mother not separate until birth. The simple proof is undeniable-no one refers to a pregnant woman as "they" instead of "she". You nor I will ever understand that, and to ignore it is folly. A woman should and must have control of her own decisions. Having an abortion is not an easy decision and no self-righteous jerks who need to feel power of judgment over others should take that away from her.
period
36 - Peter J
Hey Arch,
Jet's right, that was me with the "back the fuck off" and that was wrong. That's no way to voice an opinion.
If you'll go back to my article though you'll see that I am anti abortion. I don't condone or endorse the whole concept BUT, there is a sort of line to be drawn somewhere.
What of the "day after pill" that will in effect end a pregnancy in its first stage? Then again at the first month the embryo is less than a 1/4" and looks like some phantom bug.
I know that in this stage it is absorbing info such as mothers tastes in food but can we make the call that it's a human because it has shared characteristics? So does a hair, or a mole. How about preventing a pregnancy with control methods? Is this wrong? Is it wrong to prevent the natural flow of sperm through a vasectomy and if so if a bunch of women started screaming at you as you entered the clinic to have the procedure would this deter you?
Maybe, given the inch this is where it would lead.
You say bullshit? I'm sorry but I put nothing past extremists. Once they get what they want it's off to their next cause.
Like I said, I don't like it,My wife and I both chose not to have children but if somehow she were to get pregnant we would not have an abortion, but that is OUR choice.
Sorry about that back t f o shit.
37 - Jet in Columbus
Peter J, thank you. You do realize of course that the biggest argument against gay marraige is that it doesn't produce children. You and your wife could be next on their list after us.
The fact of the matter is the religious nuts consider any sex that does not potentially produce children a sin. That's heterosexual mutual masturbation, oral sex of any kind, anal sex and contraceptives.
I applaud your decision and your choice, because as two consenting adults you made it together in a loving decision. It is your choice to make and not others.
I'm pro-choice and feel that I have no right to thrust my opinions or beliefs on someone elses.
As for the stage of abortion I draw the line at... if I had to; at the stage that a fetus would be able to survive outside of the mother without artificial means.
I also believe that a late term abortion is permissible if it's medically determined that the child would be born with something horribly wrong physically, or brain dead, and it'd only live a short time and be in constant pain it's whole life.
There.
Everyone wanted me to say my opinion
that's it.
thanks again for contributing Peter.
Jet
38 - Les Slater
Nancy #14
"This so-called 'pro-life' argument is nothing but a not-so-thinly disguised attempt at seizing control of women & reducing them back to the status of chattel & breeding animals, 2nd class citizens. The last class of people who had no control of their lives or bodies were called 'slaves'"
I agree 100%.
39 - Jet in Columbus
Are burkas far behind Les? Like is said it's all the powerless trying to grab power by hiding behind God's name.
Thanks for contributing
Jet
40 - Jet
New York times November 7 2008
In 2006 you could count S. Dakota's abortion clinics on the fingers of one hand. Just when are these idiots going to realize reasonable people can see right through their motives?