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— go to most recent comments26 - Dr Dreadful
Re: comments #12, 14, 16 and 19.
Finally unmasked! Now we know the whole truth:
sr/Stinkey/Billybob is Ann Coulter...
27 - Al Barger
ANN COULTER RULEZ!!!
Not that it'll knock any of y'all left wing nuts off your script, but note that Ms Edwards was just lying when she says that Coulter made fun of her son dying. She didn't and wouldn't. She would and does, however, mock John Edwards for his frequent exploitations of that death - which is completely different, and totally deserved.
28 - Rufus T. Firefly
"Rather explains a lot, doesn't it?"
Yes, it explains that you will believe whatever someone you agree with tells you when it reinforces the beliefs you already have, much like the illiterate jurors she writes about.
Could it be that the evil MMS doesn't report what Ann writes because she can't even get through the first sentence without two lies?
"I doubled the ratings of the lowest-rated cable news show on Tuesday"
First off, Tucker is "the lowest-rated cable news show" not Hardball.
I noticed Ann didn't include any numbers to back up her statements. After seeing them, I know why. Here are the Prime Time numbers (25-54 demo) for the three previous nights and then Ann's appearance on Tues.
6/21 Thurs. Hardball w/ Chris Matthews" 361,000 viewers (97,000)
6/22 Fri. Hardball w/ Chris Matthews" 222,000 viewers (91,000)
6/25 Mon. (25-54) Hardball w/ Chris Matthews" 379,000 viewers (147,000)
6/26 Tues. (25-54) Hardball w/ Chris Matthews" 351,000 viewers (106,000)
Not only no doubling, but two out of the three previous nights had better numbers. If you can find another night, where her lie becomes true, feel free to present it.
Like Michael Moore, Ann's greatest enemy is herself with her ridiculous hyperbole. I love where she admits she made nasty comments and doesn't like when the media uses bald-face lies against her. Couldn't be karma getting you, could it, Ann?
Ann: "about the same time, you know, Bill Maher was not joking and saying he wished Dick Cheney had been killed in a terrorist attack"
He never said he wished it, even when Barney Frank joked that he did. With that being said, didn't Chaney help push Bush into Iraq or are we changing the history books again? If we weren't in Iraq and the peace hadn't been so fucked up, it is true that plenty of people would still be alive.
Unfortunately, some on the right obviously can't have grown-up discussions. At least when the left cries about stuff, although lame as it is, they know what they are going on about. You pussies on the right have to make up shit to cry about.
I could go on tearing Ann and RJ's pieces to shreds, but it's like shooting fish in a barrel and I have to go, but one last thing.
"Well argued and backed up."
Wrong, Clavos, unless you can provide the facts that Ann and RJ fail to. Just because someone writes a lot doesn't mean they get it right. You should check people on their facts rather than giving them a pass.
29 - Baronius
Alec - Jon Stewart is just a comedian? And he's funnier than Ann Coulter? That second point could be debated, I guess. But I don't see how you can defend the first point.
Nalle - Unauthorized thoughts? I'm trying to invoke my own Fairness Doctrine and make fun of bullies and whiners on both sides of the aisle. And I'm a right-wing whiner sometimes, too, especially when creeps like Jon Stewart get a pass.
30 - Zedd
Dave,
Perhaps you don't have the ability to understand what was being said because of your partisain, locked in, position.
It is not silencing to ask a person who is making a joke of your child's death, to stop. I am not sure if you have lost someone who is close to you like a child or a spouce. It is a very defining moment for you and you struggle your entire life just to cope. It is hell everyday. It is not funny and certainly not something you play games with for whatever reason. Everytime it is brought up out of your context, you ache tremendously and for that moment, you are simply trying to keep from reliving the deep ache, devistation, shock, disbelieve, world swirling moment of it.
The reason that such abuse is not good for our nation is that it is dehumanizing. We as adults (parents and not) are raising the next generation. Whether you are a rapper or a "political commentator", what you say, tells the next generation what is sacred, relavant or significant. As a mother, I would want Ann to take some responsibility. As a citizen I would ask her to take responsibility. Death is not a joke, the feeling of loss that comes with death is supposed to be sacred, something that we don't joke about, else life becomes less meaningful.
Again you chose to go with Libertarian ideas as aposed to practicality.
31 - handyguy
I watched the whole Hardball episode, dumbfounded.
The entire Elizabeth Edwards call took up maybe 10 minutes in the middle of an hour show. Chris Matthews let Coulter rant, both before and after the call, for most of the other 50 minutes. Whining that he sandbagged her is ludicrous.
Her principal response to Mrs. Edwards' sincere but sanctimonious request to stop the personal attacks was, predictably, to issue another such attack, concerning John Edwards' trial lawyer career, dead babies, live babies, and illiterate juries. This was not an answer or an argument at all...just another sick joke, as tasteless and boorish as her "dead son bumper sticker" nastiness.
Coulter is in fact much more a comedian and entertainer [albeit not as funny as she thinks she is] than she is a "journalist" [her own preferred term]. She's skilled with the knife but has little or no interest in nuanced argument. Matthews held his own with her, but he treated her a thousand times more fairly than, say, Bill O'Reilly treats any guest who disagrees with him.
In fact, I'm not entirely convinced she believes half the extremist provocations she spews out. "Ann Coulter" is just a character she plays, a very lucrative character. The joke may be on the right-wingers who view her as some sort of heroine.
32 - Clavos
Rufus,
Your only real refutation of RJ's comment is in regard to the viewership figures.
Bill "The Nose" Maher's denial of having wished for Cheney's (not Chaney) death is hair-splitting. He said,
"I’m just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. That’s a fact."
Six of one and half a dozen of the other.
So, I stand by my comment to RJ.
33 - Dan
"Your only real refutation of RJ's comment is in regard to the viewership figures."
And even here he follows it up by saying " Ann's greatest enemy is herself with her ridiculous hyperbole."
Rufus argues that Ann tells a lie, but then acknowledges her use of hyperbole.
That's unintentionally funny.
By the way, if you average the 3 non-ann shows, the Ann show beats them by 20,000 viewers.
There would have been one more if I'd known Ann was going to be on.
34 - Media Tycoon
As a conservative, or at least a conservative sympathizer, I don't care when people rag on ann coulter. just understand that liberals have just as many scumbags on their side and don't try and be all high and mighty.
I mean come on...pretending that rush limbaugh and ann coulter are responsible for the current political climate and ignoring all the similar left wing hacks.
i think its all rather entertaining. Politics is my soap opera and people like ann coulter and bill maher make it much more interesting. all you liberals who hate that ann coulter has the right to say what she wants need to back off.
35 - sr
Freck the Edwards. May the be infested with trillions of ticks and chiggers on their private parts.
36 - Rufus T. Firefly
Bill "The Nose" Maher's denial of having wished for Cheney's (not Chaney) death is hair-splitting. He said,
"I'm just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. That's a fact."
Six of one and half a dozen of the other.
I see, so saying something would happen is the same as wishing it would. So if I say, "if you ran across a crowded freeway blindfolded, you are likely to get injured, if not, killed" means I wish bodily injury on you? Nice try, but I don't.
It's no wonder this country is in the mess it's in with such infantile projections on conversation. That would explain your pointless fixation on spelling rather than facts since it was obvious you knew who I meant.
Dan, just because I know Ann is using hyperbole, doesn't mean she does. She doesn't put much thought into what she says. She just takes off the filter and lets it rip. It doesn't matter to me because I pay her no mind, but it is funny to see her whine about the way she is treated considering how she treats others.
37 - sr
Doc#26. Can you prove that in a court of law? If I was the lady like beautiful Ann is I wouldn't give you the time of day. Your just jealous and lust for Ann. To see her in person and speak with her is heaven. Doc, your still a funny guy.
38 - Zedd
RJ
The problem with Ann Coulter's statement is that Bill Meher never said that. What she claims didn't happen. I watched the show.
THAT is the real problem with Coulter, Rush and the gang. They lie and create an entire monologue based on their invention. They have no fear about lying out loud, to the entire planet and acting as if all is well.
However it is you and I who have the onus. Why are you allowing someone to lie to you without dismissing them? You are actually championing someone who lies regularly to YOU. She wants to shape your views and make an enormous living while doing so, without concern about whether what she is saying to YOU is true or not and you don't mind. You actually welcome it and defend her vehemently.
What is wrong? Do you not like yourself? Do you feel inferior intellectually? What is it?? Are you so desperate to be part of something bigger than you that you will join up with ANYBODY?
You will probably not deal with my post and veer off into some sort of partisain tit for tat thing. I am serious. Lets focus on this. Do you enjoy what this woman does to YOU?
39 - Zedd
Clavos,
You stating that RJ's post was a good rebuttal is sad to say the least.
You don't even know that Mahers never said what Ann Coulter accused him of. You are just in agree mode as ussual.
With that in place, she is vile for making those comments about Edwards and certainly about his speaking about the death of his son.
40 - Clavos
Whatever, Zedd.
41 - bliffle
Conservatives seem to vest an unwarranted amount of lust in Coulter. Just consider, from top to bottom: nice hair, but then: horseface, adams apple, saggy boobs, skinny legs.
42 - REMF
"THAT is the real problem with Coulter, Rush and the gang. They lie and create an entire monologue based on their invention."
But Zedd, Rush didn't lie when he said, while attacking Bill Clinton, "Never trust a draft dodger."
(Limbaugh's military record: medical deferment for an ingrown hair on ass)
- MCH
43 - Dave Nalle
Just for the record, I've reviewed the video of the episode where Maher supposedly endorsed killing Cheney, and that interpretation is a pretty far stretch from what he actually said. You can find the actual statements on YouTube. And pay attention to Barney Frank. I sure wish the dems were running him for president instead of the current crop of losers.
Dave
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44 - Zedd
Thanks Dave for clearing up the confusion!!! Good on you!!!
45 - Rufus T. Firefly
Oh yes, Zedd, because that sounds nothing like what I pointed out two days earlier.
46 - Zedd
Rufus T. Firefly
Sorry I didn't read your post.
47 - RJ
Zedd:
I'll ignore your dime-store psychoanalysis and focus on actual facts.
Ann Coulter said:
"But about the same time, you know, Bill Maher was not joking and saying he wished Dick Cheney had been killed in a terrorist attack
This was in response to what Bill Maher, on his HBO show, said (in context):
Maher: What about the people who got onto the Huffington Post " and these weren’t even the bloggers, these were just the comments section " who said they, they expressed regret that the attack on Dick Cheney failed.
Joe Scarborough: Right.
Maher: Now…
John Ridley: More than regret.
Maher: Well, what did they say?
Ridley: They said “We wish he would die.” I mean, it was hate language.
Barney Frank: They said the bomb was wasted. (laughter and applause)
Maher: That’s a funny joke. But, seriously, if this isn’t China, shouldn’t you be able to say that? Why did Arianna Huffington, my girlfriend, I love her, but why did she take that off right away?
[...]
Ridley: It’s one thing to say you hate Dick Cheney, which applies to his politics. It’s another thing to say, “I’m sorry he didn’t die in an explosion." And I think, you know…
Maher: But you should be able to say it. And by the way...
Frank: Excuse me, Bill, but can I ask you a question? Do you decide what the topics are for this show?
Maher: Yeah, I decide the topics, they don’t go there.
Frank: But you exercise control over the show the way that she does over her blog.
Maher: But I have zero doubt that if Dick Cheney was not in power, people wouldn’t be dying needlessly tomorrow. (applause)
Scarborough: If someone on this panel said that they wished that Dick Cheney had been blown up, and you didn’t say…
Frank: I think he did.
Scarborough: Okay. Did you say…
Maher: No, no. I quoted that.
Frank: You don’t believe that?
Maher: I’m just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. That’s a fact.
So. Bill Maher thinks fewer people would die if Dick Cheney was killed in a terrorist attack. And, while this particular line of "reasoning" doesn't actually make any sense, presumably Bill Maher thinks that fewer people dying would be a good thing. And he is openly supportive of the people who encouraged terrorist attacks against our Vice President on the Huffington Post. So (I'm only guessing here) he seems to be in the "pro-assassinate Dick Cheney" camp.
48 - Rufus T. Firefly
"Bill Maher thinks fewer people would die if Dick Cheney was killed in a terrorist attack."
Again, saying that and wishing that are two different things. He may be right and he may be wrong. We'll never know.
"And he is openly supportive of the people who encouraged terrorist attacks against our Vice President on the Huffington Post. So (I'm only guessing here) he seems to be in the "pro-assassinate Dick Cheney" camp."
He wasn't supportive of what they wrote, he was supportive of their right to write it, so your guess would be wrong. He believes people have the right to post idiotic and foolish things on the Internet, a right you take full advantage of.
Let us know when you start to "focus on actual facts," although the "dime-store psychoanalysis" appears to be more what you need.
49 - REMF
"If Cleland had dropped a grenade on himself at Fort Dix rather than in Vietnam, he would never have been a U.S. Senator in the first place. Maybe he’d be the best pharmacist in Atlanta," Coulter once wrote in her column. "He didn't 'give his limbs for his country,' or leave them 'on the battlefield.' There was no bravery involved in dropping a grenade on himself with no enemy troops in sight."
------------------------------------
Max Cleland's military record:
**U.S. Army, 1965-68
**Two tours in Vietnam
**Volunteered for combat
**Silver Star
**Bronze Star
**Served in Battle of Khe-Shan
**Triple amputee
Ann Coulter's military record:
**None
**Another mouthpiece for the Chickenhawk Division
50 - Clavos
Oh wow, ANOTHER VIETNAM WAR HERO.
Everybody drop to your knees and kiss Max Cleland's ass because he fought in Vietnam and won himself some pieces of brass and ribbon!!
According to the rear echelon guy, nobody but war heroes is entitled to have an opinion about anything remotely connected to the military, military personnel, or war.
What fuckin' horseshit.
Of course, those of us who really fought a war understand that we did so, at least in part, to defend everybody's right to free speech.
51 - Dave Nalle
You can't kiss Max Clelland's ass. There's a wheelchair in the way.
Dave
52 - Zedd
RJ
Watch the Maher show and stop making a fool of yourself. It's getting embarrasing. And your reasoning skills suck. Keep your logical calculations to yourself.
I'm done. Catch you next time.
53 - Dave Nalle
And he is openly supportive of the people who encouraged terrorist attacks against our Vice President on the Huffington Post. So (I'm only guessing here) he seems to be in the "pro-assassinate Dick Cheney" camp.
RJ, there's a world of difference between supporting their right to free speech and agreeing with them. Clearly he supported their right to say any stupid-ass thing they want, but he didn't go as far as to agree, despite what Coulter has said.
Dave
54 - sr
SHIP OF FOOL'S
55 - REMF
"Of course, those of us who really fought a war understand that we did so, at least in part, to defend everybody's right to free speech."
Unless, of course, it's someone with opposing political views:
"Interesting how you, based on your hazardous and arduous "service" in Hawaii, feel you're qualified to judge Bill Calley, REMF."
So Clavpopuli...was Col. Hackworth "qualified" enough to judge Billy Calley?
"Yes, he was, emmy. But not you."
- MCH
56 - Clavos
I didn't block your freedom of speech, emmy; I merely took advantage of mine to tell you you're unqualified.
You can talk all the bullshit you want to, MF.
I didn't stop you (or try to stop you) from saying anything.
57 - REMF
"According to the rear echelon guy, nobody but war heroes is entitled to have an opinion about..."
Excuse me, hypocrite, I realize I'm not nearly as educated as you; but shouldn't it be "...nobody but war heroes ARE entitled..."?
(since you're BC's grammar cop...)
58 - Zedd
Clavos
How is MCH curtailing your freedom of speech???
What he is saying is that there should be some accountability; if one expresses war as an option, he should be willing to go to war himself; he should be willing to give up his OWN life.
How does that stifle you from expressing yourself??
He just provides us with a much needed, sobering reminder of what war is. We often treat it as if its Atari's Space Invaders and as you know its death and devastation.
I admire him and his persistent, unyielding stance on an important message which surpasses party affiliation, country, or era.
59 - Clavos
"Excuse me, hypocrite, I realize I'm not nearly as educated as you; but shouldn't it be "...nobody but war heroes ARE entitled..."?"
No, MF. The IS is the verb for NOBODY not "war heroes," as in "nobody is."
Nice try, though.
60 - Clavos
Zedd asks:
"How is MCH curtailing your freedom of speech???"
You might want to re-read the exchange again, Zedd. REMF accused me of curtailing his speech, not the other way around.
"What he is saying is that there should be some accountability; if one expresses war as an option, he should be willing to go to war himself; he should be willing to give up his OWN life."
I don't need you to interpret for me, Zedd. I know exactly what he's saying, and it's a crock of shit.
The Bill of Rights guarantees people the right to say what they want; it doesn't say anything about being required to actually do what you advocate.
I think it's a great thing that we are exploring space, and I advocate that we should continue to do so, but there's no way in hell I would actually want to go there myself.
But thanks for your input, anyway...
61 - zingzing
"I think it's a great thing that we are exploring space, and I advocate that we should continue to do so, but there's no way in hell I would actually want to go there myself."
WHAT?!
that's the craziest thing you've said all day.
as mch's opinion on war... that's a bit extreme... i guess... as for clavos' opinion... i take the if-you-ain't-the-one-going-to-fight-it, don't-start-it angle. people can talk about it all the like. but STARTING a war... well, you'd better be in the first body bag as far as i'm concerned.
62 - Zedd
Clav
Awe that was sweet.... Thanks :o)
Space exploration is not war. War is not a personal goal, it is something that is put upon young, impressionable men who are recruited, being enticed by the beanies and not the very real possibility of a loss of life, or a life with a permanent mental and or physical disability.
63 - Zedd
Oh Clav
My mistake. You are right. Sorry bud!
But MCH is still the man!!!!
64 - RJ
Let's test MCH's "logic" -
No one can support abortion unless they have performed one themselves...
Thoughts?
65 - Zedd
RJ
Lets test yours.
Is war a personal choice?
66 - Clavos
"it is something that is put upon young, impressionable men who are recruited, being enticed by the beanies and not the very real possibility of a loss of life, or a life with a permanent mental and or physical disability."
So people who join the military are gullible and stupid?
Emmy, how does THAT grab ya??
67 - Zedd
RJ
Abortion rights are about having the right to choose. So yes. You cant support the right for an abortion unless you want the right to CHOOSE an abortion.
Any Thoughts?
68 - RJ
"Is war a personal choice?"
Nope. It's a national choice.
And when the majority of the House of Representatives, the majority of the Senate, the majority of the American people, and the Commander in Chief of the American armed forces agree to go to war, then you have a war.
I just happen to support winning it.
69 - Zedd
Clavos
18yr olds are gullable and stupid compared to mature adults.
So YES.
70 - zingzing
"And when the majority of the House of Representatives, the majority of the Senate, the majority of the American people, and the Commander in Chief of the American armed forces agree to go to war, then you have a war."
so when the majority of the above no longer support that war, is it not a war anymore?
and when "the majority of the House of Representatives, the majority of the Senate [and] the majority of the American people" are duped into a war by said "Commander in Chief of the American armed forces," does that mean the war is unjust?
more to the point--when a small group of people decide to fabricate a reason for going to war and make support of that war a measure of patriotism, should we trust that those same people are going to win that war? persuasion does not win wars. a moral high ground can, but that's already been squandered.
71 - RJ
"so when the majority of the above no longer support that war, is it not a war anymore?"
Well, yeah. When the Congress actually votes to de-fund the war, and leaves our troops hanging in the field of battle in Afghanistan and in Iraq, the war will cease:
Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii), a senior defense authorizer, wants the U.S. out of Afghanistan immediately, calling operations there “futile” in trying to effect political change in a country with a tangled history…
“There is no useful purpose for our troops there,” Abercrombie stated in a recent interview. “The military should withdraw now,” he said, though he stressed that the U.S. could keep “isolated pockets” of special operators.
Instead of using the military to effect political change, the U.S. should have a complete diplomatic re-engagement in the region, “with an understanding that our role there should change,” Abercrombie added…
Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.), a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee and a staunch opponent of the war in Iraq, said that it is time for the U.S. military to start leaving Afghanistan and the Middle East altogether.
“We are not securing America by being there,” she pressed. “The longer we are there, the more plots start growing in our country.”…
Of course, the Islamic radicals will still be at war against us. But once the left gets its way, we won't be fighting back anymore.
72 - troll
declaring this war on Iraq was a national choice...participating is a personal one - just say no
73 - zingzing
""so when the majority of the above no longer support that war, is it not a war anymore?"
Well, yeah. When the Congress actually votes to de-fund the war, and leaves our troops hanging in the field of battle in Afghanistan and in Iraq, the war will cease:"
ahh, you miss the point. i thought that a war was a "war" when it was declared as such. it's got nothing to do with the american people. it's not supposed to have anything to do with the commander in chief. it's supposed to be congress declaring war.
"Of course, the Islamic radicals will still be at war against us. But once the left gets its way, we won't be fighting back anymore."
or maybe, just maybe... the left would rather have us fighting al qaeda rather than willy-nilly taking over countries that we can't hold, turning them into breeding grounds for further terrorism?
what's next on this path, eh? i guess we can't stop til we take over the entire middle east and then the world and make islam illegal... sigh... what a long road.
74 - Zedd
RJ
The question that I asked you was rhetorical.
You see when you elect people who will vote for war because you support a war, you are FORCING others to engage in war. Whether they volunteered into the military or they were drafted, your choice forces them to put their lives on the line.
Being pro choice is not forcing anyone to do anything. Abortion is a personal choice.
Does that help with the logic?
75 - RJ
the left would rather have us fighting al qaeda rather than willy-nilly taking over countries that we can't hold
I'll repeat:
Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii), a senior defense authorizer, wants the U.S. out of Afghanistan immediately, calling operations there "futile" in trying to effect political change in a country with a tangled history...
"There is no useful purpose for our troops there," Abercrombie stated in a recent interview. "The military should withdraw now," he said, though he stressed that the U.S. could keep "isolated pockets" of special operators.
Instead of using the military to effect political change, the U.S. should have a complete diplomatic re-engagement in the region, "with an understanding that our role there should change," Abercrombie added...
Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.), a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee and a staunch opponent of the war in Iraq, said that it is time for the U.S. military to start leaving Afghanistan and the Middle East altogether.
"We are not securing America by being there," she pressed. "The longer we are there, the more plots start growing in our country."...
So...we shouldn't bother in Afghanistan anymore either? Just where, exactly, does the left approve of us fighting this war?