A short interview with Prof. Norman Finkelstein about the current state of the Israel/Palestine conflict.
Prof. Norman Finkelstein is a prominent and well-respected scholar of the Israel/Palestine conflict. He has written several books on the topic, most notably The Rise and Fall of Palestine and Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict. His most recent work, Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History, is a devastating rebuttal of both Alan Dershowitz’s The Case For Israel and, more generally, defenders of Israel’s human rights record.
For some reason, Prof. Finkelstein’s views are often referred to as “controversial” or even “radical”. In fact, the position he articulates is supported by international law and such “radical” organisations as the World Court and Amnesty International. Several of Prof. Finkelstein’s talks, and much else besides, can be viewed on his website.…
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76 - Leslie Bohn
Mr. Ruvy:
Your childish insults about my "reading skills" make you seem quite stupid, frankly, although you seem to think they're amusing. I thought maybe if I didn't respond to them you'd drop the practice, but alas not.
Your "aged tome" statement remains nonsense.
"Advice" like "honor they mother and father" or "thou shalt not steal" is "telling someone what to do or think."
But, of course, only according to the accepted definitions of the words in the sentence and the logical order in which they are placed.
77 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
More proof of the vileness of the non-people known as "Palestinians" (see comment #12 on this article)
Pesach Massacre Averted: Hamas Mass Murder Car was in Tel Aviv
Quoted from the story:
Te full story can be read at the link provided.
78 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Jamie,
I'm going to keep rubbing your nose in the fact that these Arabs are the shitty bastards devoted to killing your relatives and friend here - whom you defend so readily -
ast update - 08:19 01/04/2007
New Fatah Gaza force training for future clashes with Hamas
By Avi Issacharoff , Haaretz Correspondent
This story from 1 April describes a force of troops being trained by the Egyptians to fight Hamas - and who else?
From the article:
A force trained to deal with Hamas can also deal with the IDF. An Israeli "incursion" into Gaza, if it decided to be necessary, will be a very bloody venture - particularly considering the incompetent hands of Ehud Olmert and Tzipi Livni at the country's rudder.
79 - Christopher Rose
Ruvy, until you learn to discriminate between militants and ordinary citizens, these remarks of yours just sound like racist crap.
If every single Arab in the Middle East really wanted Israel gone, there would be no stopping it, despite the vastly superior Israeli weaponry.
As a self-professed spiritual person, you really ought to be ashamed of yourself, in my opinion. I find the constant hate you keep publishing deeply offensive.
80 - Leslie Bohn
Mr. Ruvy:
Your religion causes you to hate others. This is symptomatic of mental disease. It's also dangerous and disgusting.
To repeat: Your religion causes you to hate others.
81 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
"until you learn to discriminate between militants and ordinary citizens,..."
Boy, Chris, you can't even bring yourself to say "terrorist", can you? Just like the BBC, eh?
As I pointed out in comment #12, these are the people - this non-people, "Palestinians" - that dances in the street when Jews die. They smile when they hear that our widows will cry, and that our parents will mourn the loss of their children. I've seen this at bus stops in Jerusalem when I lived there.
Distinguish between ordinary citizens and terrorists? Because of these bastards, every Israeli has to regard himself as a frontline soldier - no matter how much of a civilian hew is - this includes me, my wife and children.
My religion causes you to hate others? Right, Leslie. Keep the bullshit flying. It looks good on the electronic page, false as it is...
82 - Christopher Rose
Ruvy, making up spurious cheapshots is so easy for the zealot, isn't it? It's tragic how living the dream has turned your life into something more akin to a waking nightmare.
Until you can accept the darkness in your own heart, you will always be this way. I can't imagine what it is like to be so ethically craven...
83 - Leslie Bohn
Ruvy, you are right. I don't actually know what makes you hate others. I only assume it's your religion, because that is all you ever write about, and the folks you so badly want dead are of a different religion. But, you are right, something else may be causing you to hate others (like a mental disease).
Here, in five minutes of searching through ONE POST, are some examples of the hate you spread. I ask you to stop, as your words are offensive, racist and violent.
these Arabs are the shitty bastards devoted to killing your relatives and friend
So we have in the Palestinians a non-people who are vile.
A no-nation that is a vile people
Rabbi Meir Kahane, ZTUQ"L, HI"D (may he be remembered for his goodness, may he be a blessing in his holiness, and may his blood be avenged by god)
Pure racism, pure hate, in the name of a god. Praise the lord!
84 - Zedd
Ruvy
At some point its okay to admit that you are wrong.
YOU ARE WRONG. You are brainwashed and have a worped sense of reality. Fix it.
85 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Received in e-mail courtesy of Steven Shamrak.
You see kids, each Arab terrorist attack brings people into my camp. I'm not isolated at all in my views and the number of Israelis who agree with me grows daily. This is because we can see the facts on he ground while the traitors in our midst flee - like Ilan Pappe, who took his lying mouth to England.
Think, Jamie! You can do what Liam Bailey did - an interview with that pig and get it published here and everywhere else your friends feast their eyes... What an opportunity for you!
And now, for a taste of the truth.
1.Weakness Encourages Enemies
(source: Debka.com)
Several Arab organizations are preparing the most radical showdown ever between their community and the state of Israel . Its security and judicial institutions will be called on to stand up to a wholesale assault on the very nature of the Jewish state and its right to live in security. Israeli Arab leaders are preparing to harness world opinion to their challenge of the legality of state rule over the Arab national minority and gather support for restrictions over the jurisdiction of Israel national security services, including the police, in Israeli Arab locations.
The apparent weakness Israel displayed in the Lebanon war of last summer emboldened major Israeli Arab organizations to launch a strong bid for a revision of the Jewish state's structure and character, so as to satisfy their national aspirations as a part of the pan-Arab community.
Followed the Shin Beit's discovery of a serious breach of security, the controversial head of MK Balad, the radical Arab National Party and a Protestant Christian, secretly left Israel some weeks ago. Members of his family have just joined him. The family clearly had no intention of returning to their home in the Galilee village of Shfaram. (May all Arabs, the occupiers of the Jewish land, follow him!)
2. Dear friends, you may visit shamrak.com and view the introduction letters, the log of recent editorial letters and archive of my articles .
Terrorists, captured in Lebanon and held in Israel, are allowed to communicate regularly and directly with their families with Red Cross assistance. Nothing has been seen or heard of the Israeli captives - Gideon Shalit, Udi Goldwasser and Eldad Regev - since they were seized in June/July 2006 by Hamas and Hezbollah. - This is a clear violation of the Geneva Convention! Where are the UN resolutions and condemnation? Why are the so-called liberals and academics silent?
3. Food for Thought. by Steven Shamrak
a. First and foremost we must tell both ourselves and the Jewish leadership: "Stop behaving like we are still living in a Ghetto!"
b. The Mind Terrorising Games. Hamas Militants who captured Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit nearly 10-months-ago have named hundreds of prisoners they want freed in a swap deal. Shin Bet security service officials are now reviewing the list, which was received via Egyptian mediators and contains between 500 and 1,000 names. PA Information Minister Mustafa Barghouti said. "If the Israeli government is serious, there is now a very good opportunity to end this chapter." (By making such demand, the Hamas government has proved once again that it is a terror organization. It offers no "Proof of Life", but only terrorizes and torments Israel and the family of kidnapped Israeli soldier with false hope. Gaza is Jewish land and is a terror-infested nest at the moment. It must be cleared of Arabs and then the terror will end!)
c. Ancient Jewish City is Found. Workers digging a new Jerusalem light rail line have stumbled upon the remains of an ancient Jewish city from the first century C.E. under what is now the Arab suburb of Shuafat. (Why do we tolerate Arab occupation of Jewish land?)
d. Attack at Cave of the Patriarchs. Two members of the Border Police were stabbed near the Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron . The attacker was a 17-year-old Arab. Knesset member Nissan Slomiansky of the National Religious Party blamed the stabbing on recent attempts to evacuate Jews from Hebron home.
e. Quote of the Week:
"Why did miracles happen in Egypt ? Because we believed they would. Those who didn't believe in miracles saw only plagues." - >From the teachings of the Lubavicher Rebbe. " Creation of the State of Israel was also a miracle. We must help and actively participate in the realization of another miracle " Liberation of all Jewish land from Arab occupation!
f. PR Strategy to Receive Aid. While the world sees the Arab Summit peace initiative as a serious proposal, for the Palestinian Authority (PA) it is a well-orchestrated PR strategy that has nothing to do with bringing about peace. By proposing conditions it knows Israel can never accept, the PA hopes to renew international political and financial support for itself while isolating Israel as intransigent. According to the new PA Foreign Minister Ziyad Abu Amr, the goals of the Arab Summit include "lifting from it [the PA] the international blockade." In exchange, he says, " Israel must be put under an international blockade."
g. Stealing IDF Weapons for PA. A non-commissioned Arab officer in the IDF, Arkaan Bashir was indicted last week for stealing weapons from the army for sale to PA Arab terrorist groups. (Most Israeli-Arabs have pledged their loyalty and it is not to Israel!)
h. What UN does in Lebanon ? About 13,000 U.N. troops patrolling southern Lebanon have found few arms caches there. Meanwhile, Hezbollah has openly bragged of stockpiling 33,000 missiles and regrouping its fighters in case of another war with Israel. "We in the resistance have weapons, and we openly declare that we have weapons, that we are completing our preparedness for a greater and more dangerous stage," Hassan Nasrallah, Hezbollah's leader, said last month. "They used this land during the war, and nothing has changed. In fact, there are more fighters here now than there were," says Hafez Kirwan, the leader of As-Srairi village, a Druze community.
i. Rejecting Israel is Contempt for Quran Teachings.
(source: Arabs for Israel.com)
2:47 and 2:122 Children of Israel! Call to mind the favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all other nations.
10:93 We settled the Children of Israel in a beautiful dwelling-place, and provided for them sustenance of the best: it was after knowledge had been granted to them.
17:104 And We said thereafter to the Children of Israel, "Dwell securely in the land of promise"
7:137 And We made the children of Israel , who were considered weak (and of no account), inheritors of lands in both east and west, - lands whereon We sent down Our blessings. The fair promise of thy Lord was fulfilled for the Children of Israel, because they had patience and constancy...
20:80 O ye Children of Israel! We delivered you from your enemy, and We made a Covenant with you to give you the right side (the blessed side) of Mount Sinai , and We sent down to you Manna (special food) and quails.
32.23] And certainly We gave the Book to Moses, so be not in doubt concerning the receiving of it, and We made it a guide for the children of Israel . [32.24] And We made of them Guiding Lights and leaders to guide by Our command as they were patient, and they were certain of Our communications.
45:16 We did aforetime grant to the Children of Israel the Book the Power of Command, and Prophet hood; We gave them, for Sustenance, things good and pure; and We favoured them above all other nations.
44: 32 And We have chosen them (the Children of Israel) above the 'Alamîn (mankind) and our choice was based on a deep knowledge.
[17:104] And we said to the Children of Israel afterwards, " scatter and live all over the world…and when the end of the world is near we will gather you again into the Promised Land".
(Comment: The last verse proves that the Quran declared, that it is the will of G-d (Allah) himself to gather the children of Israel again in their promised land before the end days. Accordingly, No Muslim (as well as Christian) has the right to interfere with gathering the Jews in Israel again, as this is the will of G-d himself. In addition, honest analysis of the Quranic verses above leads to the conclusion that the West Bank and Gaza (and Jordan) are better called the "occupied" (by Arabs) Jewish land.
86 - Zedd
Ruvy
You don't have a camp. You were born alone and you will die alone. Your delusion of an US vs THEM has consumed your life. You are responsible for what YOU do on this Earth.
On this site you have been vile and racist. Your delusion about being part of something bigger continues to keep you in psychological slavery and spiritual depravity. Your Jewness doesn't give you permission to be rude, hateful, irrational, hurtful, and RIGHT all of the time. It doesn't absolve you from being introspective, apologetic, re-conciliatory, compassionate and caring.
Your knowledge of scripture is meaningless if you don't understand its significance. It is not to get you free land or a free pass from criticism. It is not a whipping tool for those who disagree with you or point out your misdeeds. It is there to teach YOU to love your neighbor. It exists to teach YOU to be patient and wise.... but the fool despises wisdom.
87 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Zedd,
Knowledge of Scripture does not give anyone the right to be rude, irrational or hateful. I'm citing the Toráh here to demonstrate what stood out to me like a sore thumb when I read it. You don't have to like the citation, but unfortunately, every day that passes proves how RIGHT I am. In this instance, it is no fun to be right.
88 - Christopher Rose
Sorry, Ruvy, you are seeking signs where there are none. You're like a giant dog with a bone, you ain't EVER gonna let go, even if it kills you. That's a metaphor, not saying you're a dog, just in case you're in one of your touchy moods.