Paranoid Hoover suspected thousands of being pinkos and dangerous radicals. According to one ostensibly credible source I know of, some 8 million American names are currently listed in a master database referred to as Main Core. Numerous sources state that approximately 800 FEMA camps nationwide stand ready to detain these citizens. Nevertheless, the exact figures remain unknown and little is known about Main Core — including the database's true name or if it actually exists. Other such lists, however, we all know of. In post September 11 America, technologically advanced, ruled by lawlessness, and under surveillance, all bets are off.
Under martial law, the legislative and judicial branches would have no actual power, making the executive branch the only authority. Just as detailed in REX-84, military commanders would assume control of state and local governments. In this event, the president-turned-dictator has every right to cancel the elections.
Imagine Bush's delight as he's mocked as a buffoon on comedy shows. If he did take the short bus to Air Force One, he'd be too harmeless to rape the nation and get away with high treason. By a majority vote, we're the retards.
The John Warner National Defense Act of 2006 made the illegal perfectly okay, allowing the US military to be deployed on American soil in the event of a "natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack, or incident." Incident? Seems like they'll find any excuse. This was passed in 2006, when the nation seemed safe again and "terrorism" was little more than a word thrown around by government officials.
I merely pretended to know what I was talking about when I decribed NSPD-51. In reality, none of us know how far it's gone. Congressman Peter DeFazio, a member of the House Homeland Security Committee sought access to "classified annexes" in NSPD-51. DeFazio and the chairman of that committee were abruptly denied access.
"I just can't believe they're going to deny a member of Congress the right of reviewing how they plan to conduct the government of the United States after a significant terrorist attack. Maybe the people who think there's a conspiracy out there are right," DeFazio said. This poetic declaration was made just before he bowed to the beast and encouraged us to trust our government. Accountability is obsolete and corruption is accepted, yet we should have faith.
Article comments
— go to most recent comments1 - jamminsue
Wow, Joe - this is much to take in one go; will come back to you tomorrow afer the "usual suspects" weigh in. Beautifully written, will check your links later today
2 - Ruvy
Nice job, Joe. "The truth is out there", they used to say on The X Files. A friend of mine has been trying to bring similar truths to your countrymen for a decade and a half now, and when it is brought out, few people want to know.
They are too busy chasing status, money and sex, or watching whatever is the modern equivalent of the boob tube in their homes - or feeding themselves from the huge trough of bullshit that constitutes many blogging sites.
I live in the missile sights of HizbAllah along with several million other Israelis - and the denial is almost as strong among the prosperous chattering class here.
But here, the dictatorship is a little harder to deny, the wrongs are too obvious to be asserted as right, and the common folk understand what the hell is going on. And still, what they want is to be entertained, not informed.
This will only change when the enemy missiles start to fall, and I suspect that is what it will take to wake up your fellow Americans.
And now let me see if I can't find that thesaurus under my pillow.
3 - Baritone
I have a thesaurus here in my office, and I believe there is at least one more in the house, not to mention any number of - yes, I fear to admit - DICTIONARIES!
I think we should all come together and have a good old fashion book burning. Let's get rid of all those offensive, elitist thesauruseseses thingys, dictionaries, encyclopedias and other useless, mind numbing trash. Mind you, it's no coincidence that "thesaurus" sounds a lot like "dinosaur(us)." Huh!
Maybe we should take a cue from that Pol Pot guy and get rid of all them intilectials - docters, lawers, colig perfesers & such! Needel brane basterds!
B-tone
4 - Lee Richards
I wish I thought our government could be this organized about anything.
In Washington everyone looks out for number one first, and nobody can keep a secret. So they can successfully commit crimes, but not conspiracies. (Remember Nixon's try?)
I will rise to the defense of John Warner. He is an honorable gentleman who loves his country and supports its principles. He's not perfect, is a functioning politician, and makes mistakes. But I don't believe he has a nefarious agenda for us.
5 - Ruvy
I'm not going to condemn this or that politician in the States. That's your job, Lee. But as for Senator Warner's bill, it hasn't become law.
In future, it could, but as of now, Sen. Warner is off the hook.
6 - troll
Ruvy - see Public Law No: 109-364
7 - Ruvy
Got a link, Troll? It's been a while since I did legal research, and when I did, there were no computers to help....
8 - Clavos
Here, Ruvy.
9 - troll
thanks Clavos
10 - Clavos
De nada, troll. How's the back? You horsing around again?
11 - troll
(can't seem to kick the addiction)
12 - Pablo
This particular article is one of the best that I have seen on this milktoast website. It is well written, well documented and true. Instead of commenting on it directly, I think I will kick back for a few days and wait for the "liberty lovers" Dave, Bulldog Barger, and of course Davey's sidekick and partner in crime Clavy baby, come along and denigrate the article, being the "liberty lovers" that they are. Big smirk for all you so-called libertarians.
Pablo
13 - Baritone
As Lee suggests above, I have always been skeptical of most conspiracy theories as they would require a level of organization, discipline and loyalty that, frankly I don't think exists anywhere except possibly within Al Qaida.
It is difficult to believe in this day and age wherein most people are clamouring for their fifteen minutes of fame and/or owing to opportunism - the chance to make a buck, that such high level and complex conspiracies could survive for any meaningful length of time.
I've no doubt that there are people who would love to see this country come under autocratic rule. There remain enough people having essentially a fascist mindset to seriously consider the possibility of such a nefarious effort.
But, as with most such theories, too many people on too many levels both in and out of government would have to be working in concert and be able to keep their mouths shut for an extended period of time for anything so complex to even get off the ground.
Maybe Joe is right. If so, I guess all of us doubters will have to eat crow - before being hung, shot, gassed, burned at the stake or drawn and quartered, of course.
B-tone
14 - Dave Nalle
There sure is a lot in this article that deserves a full debunking, but most of it is transparent enough for anyone with common sense to address.
Just a couple of my favorites - the most ridiculous things in here.
The supposed FEMA camps. Pretty amusing stuff. Alex Jones has been going on about them for years. I saw some first-hand photographs of the supposed camps. Most of them are world-war-two era facilities which have been shut down for decades and are completely unusable. Zero money or resources have been applied to rehabilitating them and their condition is such that most of them could never be used for the supposed purposes. And of course, using them is based on the assumption of the declaration of martial law under the dreaded series of executive orders listed on the website, all part of some great conspiracy. But of course, those exective orders, or ones like them, have been in effect since the 1940s and have never been used, and if you read the actual TEXT rather than the brief summaries linked to in the article, you'll see that the scope of the orders is extremely limited and that they include specific constitutional protections and limitations. The camps do theoretically have a potential existence, though most are in such bad shape they could never be used. And their purpose is transparent, not secretive. They're for housing evacuees in case of a major natural disaster, which makes perfect sense. In otherwords, the claims of some sort of conspiracy to install martial law in the nation is total bullshit.
I do love the video of the 'FEMA Camp' though. A clearly abandoned and totally unsecure facility with a chainlink fence and clearly unmaintained and undeveloped for years. Ironically, I think that's the camp in Oklahoma which was supposed to be used to house Katrina evacuees and was ultimately ruled out as being incapable of accomodating them and the evacuees ended up at a Baptist youth summer camp instead.
Then there's a link to the Wikipedia entry for the SPP, coupled with a claim that it's the beginning of the creation of the North American Union. Again, utter crapola. The SPP has none of the broad powers needed to do any of the things claimed for the NAU and no one in a position of authority is even advocating such a thing. The SPP is solely about trade and security against terrorists coming to the US from Mexico and Canada. Rather than reading the somewhat ambivalent 'neutral' Wikipedia article, read my article Get a Grip - There is No North American Union. It should help. In a nutshell the only person ever to actually endorse a NAU is a CFR weenie named Rober Pastor, and even the rest of the CFR disavows his ideas. Again, twaddle.
Links to people like Jerome Corsi, Lew Rockwell, Lou Dobbs and Ron Paul aren't going to convince anyone with enough sense to tie their own shoes. They're marketing fear and deception and every word they write lowers the nation IQ by several points.
But Joe - let me thank you. You've inspired me to action. I now own the domain name Idiowars.com and plan to launch a full-scale debunking and scoffing site in your honor.
Dave
15 - Dan Miller
Mr. Nalle,
In your enthusiastic over-haste to debunk one (actually several) of the greatest conspiratorial threats the world has ever faced, you omit to mention, let alone address, the best evidence that it (they) exist(s): Prescience and cunning secret planning. How else do you explain the fact that Mr. Hoover -- masquerading as a simple salesman for a household cleaning device -- knew more than a half century before it happened that President Bush would personally select commandos to crash two commercial aircraft into the Twin Towers? How do you explain the notorious executive orders issued, and the horrible FEMA camps created, during the 1940's? These conspiracies have been in existence and secretly nourished for many, many years.
Don't try to hide these facts, sir. We know all about them and your perverse efforts at concealment will not go unpunished.
Anonymous
16 - Lumpy
Possibly the most irrational article ever. was this intended as some sort of parody of clinical paranoia? if not, what excuse is there for publishing such rubbish? an equal time policy for the mentally handicapped?
17 - Ruvy
I hope Joe is generous enough to prepare large dishes of crow for you all to sup on when the time comes (and you will be supping on crow - it'll be the only thing available, aside from rat, coyote and horsemeat). The stuff is not kosher and even though I'm a veteran Burger King manager, I'm not prepared to attempt crow meat.
Love and kisses from Liberated Samaria
Ruvy
18 - Baritone
Ruvy, Ruvy, Ruvy. tse, tse, tse!
19 - Baronius
Why didn't FEMA take New York City (or DC or Boston) when it had the chance? For that matter, Florida, Mississippi, and Louisiana? Why not the midwest, now? There are droughts in California and it's probably hot in Arizona. If they've been building their plans since the 1950's, why don't they get on with it?
I'm not suggesting that you trust government in general, but the particular threats that you've pointed out have simply never come to pass. I hope that the greatest enemies to freedom are as lame and ill-prepared as FEMA.
20 - Baritone
I must agree with Baronius. FEMA!? Now there's an agency that knows how to get things done. FEMA can't get out of it's own way. It couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time. If they are attempting to trying to detract us with ineptitude, then I must say, JOB WELL DONE!
B-tone
21 - Baronius
Baritone, FEMA may be harmless on its own, but wait until the trinational government takes over. Then FEMA will join with the power of the Canadian government and the efficiency of the Mexican government. Won't that be...something.
22 - Baritone
It'll be the reincarnation of the Axis powers. The trains will run on time! Uh, well, sometimes. I mean, if they're running at all. Eh, amigo?
B-tone
23 - Clavos
You guys laugh, belittle and make mock all you want, but I for one will be glad, I tell you, glad to see the NAU become reality, for then we Messicans will finally get our long lost and beloved Aztlan back!
So there!
24 - Franco
#4 " Lee Richards
"I wish I thought our government could be this organized about anything".
LOL.........a clasic of all one liners.
25 - Baritone
One thing that hasn't apparently occured to any of us is that at some levels, an NAU might be a fairly good thing. If the apparent early success of the EU is any indicator, a coming together of Canada, the U.S. and Mexico - at least in the economic community - could have positive results for all three countries.
I don't know about the rather nebulous Aztlan, but as far as I'm concerned, the "Messicans" can have Texas back. It's far too large, unwieldly and frankly has too many insufferable people far too impressed with themselves. ;-)
Just a couple of thoughts.
B-tone