“The reason people don’t like Gore is that he has been right so damn many times.”
What’s breaking?
Al Gore is back, kids!…
"A sinister cabal of superior writers."
“The reason people don’t like Gore is that he has been right so damn many times.”
What’s breaking?
Al Gore is back, kids!…
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— go to most recent comments76 - Joey
He and Tipper were the couple Erich Segal used as a model when writing his pivital novel "Love Story" ... Al also wrote "Boot Scoot Boogie" too!
All joking aside, I met the Quayle's, talked with Marilyn for about 30 minutes (this was down in St. Thomas back in 1990/91 (I'll have to research my journal's to pin down the exact time frame). Nice couple, very nice discussion, but they were coming off of a weekend and were pretty relaxed overall.
My Bro-in-law, who works for CBS used to do the Clinton road gig quite a bit. Now he has some stories, all of them ugly. He quit voting because he couldn't stand the team, yet he didn't feel compelled to vote republican. That's inside information. Gore changed.
Gore changed? Sure he did. He morphed from the Tennesee bible belt senator you used to see. Remember Tipper's senate hearings to ban explicit lyrics, to a nobody, or to somebody who didn't "rock the boat" .... that says a lot about substance, .... but then Gore was always a waffler, always... slippery political upbringing I guess. I don't know much about Gore Sr., but having lots of friends in the Tennessee area, I'm sure I could come up with something.
I want a demcratic ticket that will STICK. A ticket that offers real vision. I don't want to hear grumbling about how bad it's gotten, or how much of a fight we have, or a smear campaign... those diatribes cloud the issues, to a point that issues seldom get discussed. Then the process becomes a high school pep rally. Yuck! I am not interested in a high school pep rally!
Eric, if you have any inside connections... make sure this sentiment gets passed up. We, the people are appalled at the stupidity, backbiting, backstabbing, insulting conduct... that the party believes is a credible way to conduct themselves. While trying their damnest to make shout down the republican's... they in effect have caused their own backing... to cover their ears... the level is too intense. Better language needs to be applied to the debate. Not just shouting insults back and forth.
I WANT AN INTELLIGENT HUMAN BEING IN CHARGE... IF I WANTED TO HEAR A BUTTLOAD OF YELLING AND SCREAMING, I WOULD HAVE STAYED MARRIED!!
77 - Clavos
Dave,
Re your post #71:
Isn't "empty headed teenager" a redundancy?
78 - Christopher Rose
I rather think it's a tautology.
79 - Dave Nalle
Ah, but still quite accurate.
And Joey, if you want a decent democratic ticket you may have a problem.
They've been in this defensive, self-destructive and bitter mode for so long now that it's become ingrained in the party. Leaders like Rahm Emanuel of the DCCC are making sure that only extremist partisans get elected to office, so there's no pool of experienced leaders who aren't tainted by extremism.
The party may win in 2006 and 2008 because of Bush's failures, but they aren't really going to recover from their self-destruction for a generation or more. And if they do win the whitehouse in 2008 I bet it will end up being a disastrous 4 years before they are voted out.
Dave
80 - sr
Arch, Yes Egor invented the Flux Capacitor. If I recall which is not often these days, Dr. Wingwang invented the Dilithium Crystal's to fuel the Capacitor. Think it was sometime back in the future.
81 - USA, Disenchanted
I don't believe for a second that this comment will change anyone here, but I want to share it regardless. I'm a politically active person, and actually my standing doesn't matter in the slightest regarding what I have to say.
It's conversations like this that offend me and make me realize why America won't be fixed anytime soon. It's broken, and it's not the current administration or congress. It's us. It's the fact that people think it's acceptable to have conversations like this. It's because while you're typing your comments you forget that you aren't alone in your dimly lit rooms and that what you choose to say is directed at an individual and is 'broadcast' to the globe. We[America] have taken the role of leadership in the world, and it's people like us that are electing the folks that make the choices and carry them out. I honestly don't care what your stance is on Gore, but can see simply by the way the conversation digresses and becomes a blur of mildly offensive attacks, that we're the problem.
I'm actually sick that I sound like a hippy right now, so please, take a moment and realize that a 22 year old highschool drop-out(who has a myspace profile) is calling on you to think for a moment and realize that we're the problem, and that until we learn how to have something as simple as a respectful conversation with people, that you've never met, who have different opinions, we'll never contribute anything but strife.
I think Al Gore did at least do something interesting... I believe he helped give us a medium in which we can see where the problem is. I seriously hope that my generation is smart enough not to learn from yours.
And now that my hippy rant is over, please feel free to respond with the same as what's above.
82 - Joey
USA... you paint a rosy pictures of hippydom. It wasn't like that... well maybe for a year. Even the hippies saw the seachange, the addictions piling up, the homelessness of the flower children once College money dried up and they were no longer hanging on to apron strings for a living. The REAL hippies ran their game for about a year... did a little counterculture stuff, got part time jobs in book stores, cafe's etc... but for the most part they were college students, skipping classes, protesting, dropping, smoking, stealing etc... but there was no productivity there.
A hollywood vision of what was happening on the streets isn't reality. And you may need a reality check on the scene which you have enamoured yourself to. Seriously.
I don't think the American voter/taxpayer is the problem. We vote, we pay taxes and then the money is misspent, and the politican's whom we voted, are suddenly out of accord with what we (the voter/taxpayers) voted them in for.
Politics has become a chessmatch. It is also the only game in town. Don't vote? Then you get what you didn't vote for. Sadly, it seems apparent that IF you vote... you still don't get what you voted for.
Don't blame the little people of this nation, blame the movers and shakers... they're holding the wheel of the great ship of state. And as far as I'm concerned they're off course.
I went through this phase a number of years ago, where I would write my representatives on subjects I didn't agree with. I did get responses. But NEVER in agreement with what I was disatisfied with... and I don't complain or whine. It became very apparent that either I was out of step. Or, the representatives were operating on their own accord. That was the epiphany for me. I haven't been the polically same since.
So what do I do? I vote. But it's not making a difference.
83 - Joey
USA. BTW this is not the time, nor the era to be a dropout. You need to get your GED finished, you need to get into some kind of training, certs, degree something. Or, you are going to be eating dust the rest of the your life.
That's my advice. Get it happening! Or your life in the world as we know it, will really start sucking hind titty.
84 - Mr. Real Estate
I think Hillary Clinton could be elected and stay there for 8 years using the same methods Bill Clinton did.
Of course, a Rudy/McCain ticket would likely beat her in 2008, or McCain/Rudy ticket.
85 - RogerMDillon
Wow! Way to completely miss the point and prove USA's point, Joey. Unless some comment got deleted, USA painted no picture other than saying political discourse should be more than insults, yet his mere mention of the word "hippie" sent you off, frothing at the mouth, on some bizarre tirade having nothing to do with his comments.
The little people, by their involvement or lack thereof, put the movers and shakers in power, so yes, they are to blame. All the taxpayers don't vote and those who do sit by and accept the candidates and their actions put before them.
Are we supposed to be impressed that you wrote a letter and when you didn't get what you wanted you just gave up? That's some commitment to your principals. Glad you weren't around at the Revolution. Why not write your paper, write other congressman, find like-minded folk, start petitions, run for office, anything? It's the defeatist attitude like yours that allows the system to become as wretched as it is.
86 - sr
WELL STATED MR DILLON.
sr
87 - USA, Disenchanted
Joey(#82/#83): I'm not a hippy (in fact you can see my annoyance that I even begin to sound like one), but I don't think getting into that will help you understand my point. Because, as RogerMDillon(#85) noted, you missed it. Thank you for the history lesson though, as I think it's wise to learn from the previous generations mistakes, and will continue to work towards my goal for my community and hopefully, eventually, my country.
As far as the diploma thing, I feel I should explain since you seem concerned for my financial wellbeing. I do have a GED, but that doesn't take away the fact that I'm a dropout. I've worked for organizations such as CNN (and other high profile companies). I've lived in Chicago, Atlanta, and Denver and now I'm a founder/owner of technical company with three partners (and now 16 employees), which has also been faily lucritive. I've done this all in 5 years. If you think a degree/diploma is required to succeed in life you're mistaken. I'm well aware that this is a common belief, however I'm hoping that explaining this will help you understand that a peice of paper doesn't get a person places, determination does. I have a better chance of succeeding more than others my own age because I'm forced to acheive what I want, I never ever expect it to come to me. The difference between waiting for the apple to fall from the tree so you can pick it up, and plucking the one you want. More than slightly different than a hippy, no?
"The diploma gives society a phantom guarantee and it's holders phantom rights. The holder of a diploma passes officially for possessing knowledge . . . comes to believe that society owes him something. Never has a convention been created which is more unfortunate for every one--the state, the individual (and, in particular, culture)." - Valéry
As far as the rest of your post(s), I do agree with you, but I also mention that I'm politically 'active'. Do something, and in fact, if you're in my area(Denver) I can probably find something for you to do. Let me know if you're interested in contributing something more worthwhile than complaints and trading 'mild insults' in a blog comment stream. Step up and pluck the fucking apple, because waiting for it to drop in your lap doesn't seem to be making you any happier.
88 - Joey
Well shut ma mouth! I totally missed it.
Hippies didn't sound like much. They like to cop and blow there minds and talk crap. Most were so counterculture, they became charactures of themselves... Maoists, Marxists, Anarchists, it was terrible. So if that is what you mean by starting to sound like one, I caution that perhaps a better metaphor is needed, less you accidently lump yourself into that miry category.
I said political discourse should be more then insults back up in #76
I didn't write A letter... I wrote hundreds. Mostly to my representatives in Virginia (at the time). Along with committee chairs and a few others. Every lettered was answered, with what I considered to be the wrong answer. That's when I felt disenfranchised.... the people I had voted for, were not representing me.
USA I'm glad you got a GED, but I disagree about not continuing education. Lifelong learning plays a crucial role in today's job market. I also agree that it's a paper chase in many respects. And in an ideal world Valéry is probably correct. I also agree that if you are a small business person, and your business is thriving, then you are probably doing something correctly and do not really need an MBA to keep a landscaping business (or what ever) running in the black. But one could argue that computer skills are needed, application savvy is required etc...
I can't get politically active... the whole process is out of control. The media bias (I think the media should be entirely neutral), the ad campaign, the stumping, the BS... it's gut wrenching to witness every candidate bow to a general consensus on 2 or 3 subjects, in order for the press to qualify them.
I know there are many very intelligent, forthright people out there who would make excellent leaders in this country. But they don't want to put themselves, or their families through the excruciating test that has come to be known as the political process. Therefore the common folk get stuck.
Forgive my ranting. The apples I pluck are community based outreach to those in need.
89 - sr
Weeeelll pluck me. Im just dumbfounded and not shur if de husk came bafer de corn or the corn were befer de husk. Fer shu de rum is befer de BS.
90 - Eric Berlin
political discourse should be more than insults
Absolutely, Roger, this is a standard that all should aspire to! Otherwise it's all meaningless jabber and a waste of everyone's time... right?
91 - USA, Disenchanted
Joey(#88): I feel the same way you do, but I choose to maintain my efforts, because if we don't, who will?
Al Gore isn't the solution, but his actions (if he chooses to run or not) are part of the process in which it would seem America needs to undergo to make any progress. I don't really care about if it's right or left, but rather, the process in which we get there. The lies and, as you put it, misrepresentation, is what I'm offended by as well. Al Gore has a platform from which he can get things communicated, some of which I agree, and some of which I do not. In either case, I would prefer to have someone whom has never given me reason to mistrust (slander aside), acting in what appears to be at minimum, an attempt at opening peoples eyes.
On a side note, my previous post explains that my company is a 'technical' company... Try for a moment to get beyond the idea that someone who dropped out of highschool could only be suited for lawn care. I'm a programmer and systems architect, not a landscaper. The CNN center didn't have a need for landscapers -- no lawns, so I had to step up my technical knowledge. Nah, that's a joke, this has always been my passion.
92 - Arch Conservative
Al Gore is not part of any process that America must undergo to put our current state of polarizing politics to bed in the same way that Jeb Bush is not.
What America needs in our next president, wether he be Dem or Rep, is a man with absolutley no connections with either of the past two administraitions.
93 - Jet in Columbus
I'd like to point out Arch is that if you go into the game not knowing the rules or the foibles of the players, you're bound to lose.
And what he won't admit is if the 2000 election were rerun today, Gore would've won by a landslide.
94 - JustOneMan
Jet..."o contraire"...Now that America truly knows Al Gore their is no way he could ever run for public office..his "chicken little" campaign in just reinforcing his image...all he is doing is telling us how bad thins are and how much we have to change while he rides aroung with a his followers in a parade of limos and private jets..
I am not saying a Dem wont win the presidential election but it wont be the 2 political foot notes of EGore and Kerry...they are not leaders!
95 - Jet in Columbus
As you handle professes that's just one man's opinion. Right now 70 out of every 100 Americans would disagree with you.
96 - Clavos
Jet,
Are you eliminating Hillary?
97 - Jet in Columbus
No no I'd vote for her in a heartbeat, especially if she ran with Joe Biden or Al Gore as VP. I'm just saying that if Bush vs Gore were run again today Gore would win in a landslide based on Bush's 29 percent approval ratings.
Solus mei sententia
Jet
98 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Jet, maybe you would vote for Hillary in a heartbeat, but she killed her husband's health insurance initiative and she hugged Suha Arafat. That says all I need to hear...
I don't know if I'll be able to vote in the 2008 election (if it takes place) but looking across the sea to Americaland leaves me with very little hope indeed for your fair country...
99 - Arch Conservative
Why are you guys arguing about hypothetical hindsight presiential races that have no bearing on reality?
The fact is the right hates the Clintons and the left hates the Bushes so both parties would be best to steer clear of any assoiciation to these two camps when putting someone on the ticket in 2008. What's so hard to understand about that?
100 - Jet in Columbus
29%Arch asks "Why are you guys arguing about hypothetical hindsight presiential races that have no bearing on reality?"
Answer: for the same reason you are!
Just because you self-righteously declare something as fact, doesn't make it so you moonbat!
Solus mei sententia
Jet
101 - Christopher Rose
You're using weird bits of Code again, Jet. Are you pasting stuff in or using weird characters?
102 - Jet in Columbus
I pasted the "Solus mei sententia
Jet" and used bold and underline that's never been a problem before? is there a code in the "Solus mei sententia
Jet'
That's the only thing I pasted on this one, the codes for the underline and bold were these
103 - Clavos
Are there bats on the moon now? Who put 'em there, NASA? Oh, no--I forgot: NASA never got there.
That's it! There are bats in the desert, right?
104 - Jet in Columbus
Clavos, 29%Arch support started calling everyone a "moonbat" on other strings I thought it'd be rude not to return the compliment!
Bush is shipping them to the moon on and Indian Rocket soon, just look click on this... on my article on the subject
105 - Christopher Rose
Jet: see the 29% before Arch in #100 and #104?
106 - Jet in Columbus
Is it the percent sign I shouldn't be using?
107 - JustOneMan
Ruvy,
Please keep your vote in Israel! Dual citizenship is a farce...in NYC they are trying to allow illegals to vote in local elections..."slippin and slidin into the third world" Bob Grant
Thanks!
108 - JustOneMan
Hey Arch...the reason tha the dems and libs are playing Fantast Elections is that its been so long since the won they can remember what it was like...
He Arch... Heres a couple a little closer to reality..I wonder who would win "Mothra" or EGore? or maybe EGore against Thor and his Magic Hammer?
Id say EGore beats Mothra 75/25 by using his Sleep Ray - all he has to do is talk and Mothra will counting sheep ...but I think Thor could beat EGore 80/20 no problem...
109 - Arch Conservative
If the Dems run Hillary or Gore in 2008 they lose.
End of story.
Also I don't see how one can make the logical inference that because Bush's pol numbers are low people would vote for Gore for president.
110 - JustOneMan
Arch...Exactly the Polls are a refelction of Bush's perceieved performance and lack of MSM support...
111 - Jet in Columbus
As usual you're Bushit is consistant, the polls are irrevelent if they're against you. As I recall Bush had a "Mandate from the People" with only a little over 55 percent of the popular vote.
Keep living in your alternate reality. I hear it's fun...
Solus mei sententia
Jet
112 - JustOneMan
111 [Edited]
You really think EGore could beat Mothra??
113 - Jet in Columbus
we'll see who's laughing come november. The only reason Bush hasn't been impeached is because no one wants Cheney as president and Frist as his vice president.
114 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Yeah, it looks like you'll be slippin' and slidin' into the Third World all right...
Given that I do have dual citizenship, Glen, I might as well try to do what I can to keep some two faced idiot like Hillary from the Oval Vibrator - I mean Office.
The reason is simple. These emperors of yours may get elected in America, but they seem to stomp on our heads.
115 - Jet in Columbus
Ruvy why all the hate speeches about America lately?
116 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Oops, that wasn't Glen, it was "Just One Man!" My sincerest apologies - to both of you!!
117 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Jet, did you read my piece "Dependence Day" and especially comment 11? If you didn't read it - and you'll understand...
118 - JustOneMan
Jet...I never new you were of the Impeach Bush part of the party...It does clear things up for me though...The reason that Bush will not be impeached becaus it has ZERO support in your party or in the US...You cannot impeach a president because you just dont like them...the guy won not once BUT twice...It would be politcal sucide to impeach Bush...the Dems do not want to have their faces on 24/7 in the middle of an election cycle...The DEMs in power understand the more citizens see and hear them the worse their chances are of winning the white house...
119 - JustOneMan
Ruvy..whatever I dont like it when people who pledge their alligence to another country are allowed to vote in US elections...
120 - Jet in Columbus
Bush won just barely on both counts and it took the supreme court to do it once.
Clinton was impeached but cleared on all charges that started the whole thing in the beginning.
just keep spewing your little half-truths, the general public isn't fooled one bit
Solus mei sententia
Jet
121 - JustOneMan
Jerk,
Thanks for the humor...by the way did you ever find out who stole your strawberries?
122 - JustOneMan
"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."
-- Vice President Al Gore
123 - RogerMDillon
"this is a standard that all should aspire to! Otherwise it's all meaningless jabber and a waste of everyone's time... right?"
Apparently not everyone.
124 - Jet in Columbus
Quite Roger, Quite!
125 - Arch Conservative
If you moonbats are so high on Gore and sure he will win in 08 run him.
Do me the favor will ya