Somehow there is a disconnect here. Why is it that so many régimes, particularly Turkey, are so hostile to Jews and Israel if Muslims supposedly are not?
Muslims where? Albanian, Azerbaijani, and the Central Asian Turkic republics have strong diplomatic, economic and military relations with Israel. What about everybody else? The North African nations are not really Arabs. Ethnically, they are not Arabs at all. What about the Pakistani, the millions of Muslims in India? What about the Malaysians, the Indonesians, the rebels in the Philipines? What about the Arab nations and the Muslim "diaspora" in Europe and elsewhere? What function does the Jew-hatred, anti-Israel sentiment, and holocaust denial serve in these countries? It's really very simple.
The autocratic régimes, if you want to even call them that, can deflect the rage of their own people at the inablility of these régimes to provide anything. These societies are nightmares, they are living hell on earth. Their leaders say to themselves, "You cannot blame yourself, you cannot blame your elders, you cannot blame G-d." Some blame the Jews for the poverty. That's how these régimes survive. That's how the so-called "Palestinian" society survives. Their basic attitude is "someone else is always responsible for our mess".
Who funds all this? "Saudi" Arabia, Quwait, and the Gulf States are funding this world-wide. This is the "public" face of "Islam." What you are really seeing is the public face of Wahhabism pretending to be Islam.
What is Wahhabism? Why is it so bad?
Wahhabism is the tribal religious cult of the al-Saud tribe of Nejd in Arabia. Wahhabis believe that all NON-WAHHABIS are not really Muslims. ONLY Wahhabis are true Muslims. Sunni and Shi'ite Muslims, in Wahhabi eyes, are NOT Muslims. All non-Muslims are fair game for murder, rape, theft, and torture. They make videos of the "fair game." Like fourteen year old school girls, or Daniel Pearl who was beheaded. Al-Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas and the Taliban are all Wahhabi in theology and are funded from "Saudi" Arabia. Their oil money funds all these terror activities and wars.
The Wahhabi call themselves Salafi. Too many call them "jihadists", or "Islamo-fascists" or "Islamic fundamentalists." These names mean nothing and only mislead and cover up the true evil - the true people who are carrying on and inciting war between the Children of Abraham.
Thank you very much.
The road to peace between the Children of Abraham will not be through a "two state solution." The goal of the Wahhabi based Hamas and PLO is to murder off all the Jews in Israel. So a "two state solution is nonsense. The resident Arabs in the Land of Israel understand this more and more daily, seeking instead, a one-state solution where they are full citizens of the nation. Why? Because they themselves see that the terror groups set over them as dictators by the Israeli government (no, that was not a mistake in my typing) cannot and will not provide a decent régime of decent life for the resident Arabs of the Land of Israel. What they will provide is the same nightmare society that Muslims have across Arabia and North Africa. Societies that are non-functional.
Article comments
1 - roger nowosielski
Well, well. Very interesting.
2 - Christine
Wow, I second that. Very interesting, Ruvy! I will need to read a few times to really grasp it.
3 - Victor Lana
This is an intelligent discussion about the road to take to peace, but now the parties have to walk down that road together.
4 - Mark
mazel tov
5 - Ruvy
This article is enlightening. It deals with why Arabs don't want anything to do with the (American backed) corrupt pigs in Ramallah, and less and less to do with Hamas. It's obvious to them that a "Palestine" would be another nightmarish non-functional Arab society.
6 - Irene Wagner
That sounds like good news to me, Ruvy, and I'm glad you got the opportunity to be involved in this effort to build bridges of understanding between people of different faiths in the land of Israel.
Revelation of the meaning of prophesy comes no sooner than it is meant to come (Daniel 12:8, in the book that he transcribed, I heard but I understood not! but it sure seems to me that the reestablishment of Israel will be followed by horrors that only the intervention of Messiah can stop. We don't know when that will be, though,...7, 8 years...700...?...
In the meantime, the very best thing the peoples of various faiths in Israel can do is to understand the hurt that EVERYONE in your land has suffered, the Jews (you know how much) and Muslims (your author friends know how much) and Christians (my Middle Eastern brothers and sisters involved with Musalaha know how much.) In the poet Rumi's time, Jews, Christians, and Muslims lived together and enjoyed culture, poetry and music and all of it together. It could happen again.
This reconciliation HAS to be carried out on a person by person, Israeli-to-Israeli basis.
It can't be superimposed by foreign governments. It can't even be superimposed by your government.
Since you didn't correct MARK's Hebrew, I guess I'll say the same thing. MAZEL TOV! It's published!
7 - Irene Wagner
But I messed up the English: prophecy.
8 - Ruvy
Irene,
Thank you for stopping by.
This reconciliation HAS to be carried out on a person by person, Israeli-to-Israeli basis.
It can't be superimposed by foreign governments. It can't even be superimposed by your government.
The issue here is not what the traitorous government here does, and if you think this is a matter of reconciling Israeli Arabs (or resident Arabs in the Land of Israel) to Israeli Jews, you are missing the mark altogether.
This book is the first step to planting a land mine under the Wahhabi power-structure. This is the power-structure beneath the Taliban, the Muslim Brotherhood (and by extension, the PLO and Hamas), al-Qaeda - most of the non-Shi'a "Muslim" terrorists. Arabs will wind up a small minority in this country, and are not the big issue here. The cancerous Wahhabi terror movement that presently controls them is. In the end, they and other Muslims have to see the Wahhabi for the heretics to Islam they are, and get rid of them, with or without help.
9 - Ruvy
Finally, I thought I would leave you with an idea of how other Israelis view the American president.
10 - zingzing
wow, ruvy. i am very impressed. that may not mean much to you, but i say it sincerely. you show restraint and an understanding i would have thought all but lost on you recently. clapclapclapclap. this is more like it. a two-state solution has seemed like the best idea for a while, considering that no one was going for the "just live in peace" thing for so long, but it's not ideal. if you can help make this REAL PEACE happen... well, i dunno what i'd do with myself.
(you should make it more clear that you helped edit the book--i mean that little two sentence paragraph where you say you can't review the book makes less sense if the reader doesn't know your last name. i know it, and it passed right by me. say something like "i'm the reuven above" or something.)
either way, i have to say that after all my bashing you over the last few weeks, i am humbled. you've messed up my ideas of you. your bad ideas are still bad, but based on this, i'd have to say there is a part of you on a track i can admire... don't let that dissuade you.
peaceful co-existence is the goal. i commend you. good job.
11 - Ruvy
zing,
Thank you for your kind words. I wish I could say they have made my day but frankly a loan of a few thousand shekels is what I need to do that.
The ideas you see in this article have been the ideas that have been guiding me for quite some time. My friend Lowell Gallin finally decided to stop hustling other people's books and write his own, and the concepts you see in this book, he shares with me. Unfortunately, this book should have been written five years ago. But I can't cry over that now. A solid guide in writing has been needed for some time, and it is finally written.
I know I sound like a hustler here, but the e-book from Lulu.com will set you back only $12, and it is worth reading.
Remember, in reading it, should you decide to buy it, that your are reading a lot of my ideas as well. Lowell and I track on the vast majority of ideas expressed in the book that are not verses from the Qur'an or commentaries on those verses. And bear in mind further that the root concept for this was planted in 1969 by a man who is now old, but whose mind is still sharp and clear, Dr. Asher Eder.
It is one thing to look at bitter realities and existential threats, and to contrive solutions to deal with them. That is most of what you have been reading in my comments and articles here. They have been defensive in nature, as they have had to be.
It is quite another to build explosives to destroy a structure of evil, and more than anything else, this book is Lowell and I going on the offensive with our allies, both Muslim and Jewish, to destroy a structure of terrible evil and to build a better world. There is no better defense than a good offense.
12 - Ruvy
This newsbrief in Arutz Sheva makes clear that Arabs in Judea, Samaria and Gaza DO NOT want a "two-state" solution. They want a ONE STATE SOLUTION. I think most of them have the sense to realize that Israelis will rule that one state....
13 - roger nowosielski
"and I going on the offensive with our allies, both Muslim and Jewish . . ."
That's the ticket. Building coalitions is the answer.
14 - Irene Wagner
Following up on Zing's comments, missed opportunities for marketing abound on this page. Why is the picture and link and opportunity to buy the Qur'an immediately visible, whereas a prominent picture leading to the same opportunity for "Cracking the Qur'an Code" missing? At first glance, congratulations for editing "something" make it look like Ruvy has edited the Koran, and I'd be only slightly more interested in that than I would be in a version of the Gospels that Ruvy had edited!
A book that you'd edited, Ruvy, on modern day Israel, and how pre-Messianic peace might be achieved there, is another story. I’m interested in every Israeli’s perspective on this, including yours, not so that I can encourage my government to intervene, but so that I can encourage my government to let people like you who live there work it out themselves.
I DID and DO recognize that Cracking is an appeal to Muslims in general to see the distinction between an interpretation of the Qur’an that would wipe Israel off the map, versus an interpretation that is true to the spirit of the prophets of your common Book.
I drew conclusions about other points I thought you were trying to make from links that you posted external to your article. I got a kick out of the Janeane Garofalo and Al Franken look-alikes in the video, by the way, but I refer to the articles that describe the dissatisfaction non-Jews living in Israel have with the PA. Because you posted them, you were, I had assumed, interested in building an Israel where Jews and non-Jews alike would co-exist, as long as the latter were not interested in destroying Israel from within, and I agree that a two state solution would be one in which the latter could recruit and plan unmolested, and is therefore, undesirable.
Bearing especially in mind your focus on the Law and the Prophets, the common book of the Jews and the Muslims--count me, a Christian out, if you need to, but I don’t count myself out-- consider Leviticus: But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your G-d.” Does the stranger include the non-Jewish refugees who’ve already been shuttled from pillar to post by those of various religious and irreligious persuasions for more than a generation now? Does it include non-Jews whose families had deeds to property in Palestine prior to 1947? This gets tricky, I know, there were Jews thrown off their property after Balfour and pre-1948, but I think you know what I’m getting at. Those who hold to what they consider a higher standard, need to hold to all aspects of that higher standard, both in matters of justice (severely, if need be, after all due consideration) and mercy.
I can only stand at the side-lines and watch, and cheer on all efforts being made BY ISRAELIS toward authentic peace in Israel, a peace that recognizes God's forever promises to Israel, efforts that include yours, but --you should be happy about this-- are not limited to yours.
15 - roger nowosielski
Ruvy the medic.
16 - Irene Wagner
Cheering on, not sneering on, Roger the medic. POW! LOL! Ohp! it's not Pentecost yet. See ya.
17 - Ruvy
Irene,
A lot of your questions in the latter part of your comment depend on how this initiative works out. There are more issues here than merely cutting a peace deal.
Many millions of our lost tribal brothers now call themselves Muslims. If they cease doing so, and return to Tent of Jacob, then giving Arabs who had property here in 1947 compensation for that property will be in order.
If those millions of Pashtun do return to the Tent of Jacob, lots of them will be coming home. And the fact of the matter is that I AM living on occupied territory that is not mine; it belongs to the Tribe of Ephraim, or to use their modern name, the Afridi. The Yusufzai come from the city of Sh'khem, the City of Joseph - what the Arabs call Nablus. And the Rabanizai are the Tribe of Reuven. In other words, the réassemblagement of the Tribes of Israel is a distinct possibility in the not too distant future. And this would render Arab land claims here subject to compensation, so that our cousins who fled not be left without a decent patrimony.
The Hotovely plan, which MK Tzipora Hotovely (Likud) introduced as an alternative to the poisonous "two-state" solution that the American and European governments want to ram down our throats, calls for precisely what you suggested - giving the Arabs who live in Judea and Samaria ger tosháv status - which is the Hebrew name for what you described. Am I talking about generosity here? No, Irene, I'm talking about justice, tempered with mercy.
18 - Irene Wagner
...Why do I feel like I'm haggling at a mid Eastern market right now? LOL...as far as I'm hearing, the Hotovely Plan is not precisely what I suggested, in that I wouldn't require all those who'd owned land in Israel pre-1948 to become Jewish, or to have any religion at all, in order to get it back. Messiah will straighten out what may be amiss in that regard when He gets here. I'd absolutely keep as a requirement that they'd not be traitors to the Jewish state. I understand you have objections to "pagan idols being set up in the land" though I don't see the Tourist Industry wanting to shut down the Bethelem sites or the Via Dolorosa anytime soon....
...this bargaining could go on for quite a while, Ruvy, but I've run out of shekels and time...and of course, the wee bit of influence I had to begin with. Shalom and Good Luck!
19 - Ruvy
Irene,
Stop acting as if you are at the shouk and pay attention.
The Hotovely Plan consists of these elements.
1. Israeli law is extended throughout Judea and Samaria. No more PA, no more Americans, loud mouthed Scandos, Brits or other detestable Euro-trash sticking their long noses in our affairs.
2. The Arabs who live here become what is known as ger tosháv. They do not change religion or anything else. They receive Israeli passports. They have full civil rights and with time get full political rights as well.
3. The Hotovely Plan contemplates the inmigration of 1 million Jews into the country to offset the increased Arab population.
That is the Hotovely Plan.
Now we move on to other issues. A peace deal would mean that the Arab states recognize as ours what the Qur'an gives us - "lands east and west". In other words, all of what is known as Israel, and very possibly a good chunk of Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. The Arabs ditch the Wahhabi and their poisonous attitudes - and welcome us to the land. IN RETURN, those Arabs who fled this country in 1948-9 get compensation for the losses they suffered. Once they get that compensation, UNWRA gets closed down and the refugee camps close as well.
Now, let's toss in the last element from comment #17. If the Pashtun decide to return to the Tent of Jacob, and leave the Tent of Ishmael (they are the Children of Jacob, our brothers), it would work a revolution in what is now called "Judaism". The Jews would be a minority of the Israelites, and the whole religion would have to be reworked to accommodate the fact that the Tribes had been reassembled. Then we have a whole different kettle of fish because all of a sudden there would be room in the vastly expanded Land of Israel for the reassembled Tribes (Jews and Pashtun). Do the Arabs get kicked out? No.
We welcome our brothers home and treat our cousins as family, not strangers. And we bury the hatchet.
I'm simplifying. There is more to all of this than I just described, but the bottom line is that we pursue justice, tempered with mercy.
That is what a solution based on the Torah and the Qur'an gets us.
PEACE.
20 - Irene Wagner
I must've gotten distracted by something shiny there, for a minute, Ruvy, in midsentence. The lost tribal brothers now call themselves Muslims. If they cease doing so...then Many millions of our lost tribal brothers now call themselves Muslims. If they cease doing so.. then giving Arabs who had property here in 1947 compensation for that property will be in order.
OK, so what you're saying is that as long as there are enough Jews in Israel for it to maintain its cultural and religious identity, you aren't going to be kicking any harmless non-Jews out? Sounds good to me. If I knew how to mercifully and justly untangle the immigration mess we have over here in the US, I'd be better able to tell you how to do it in your country, but I will say the plan sounds heavier on the mercy than I thought it did before you explained it more. OK. Peace to you, too.