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Another dreadful week is underway in Palestine in a rapid sequence of events.

Amid ongoing rocket attacks by Israel, Hamas has emerged from vicious factional fighting to take control of Gaza. Fatah leader and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas responded by dissolving the recently formed Palestinian unity government and naming a secular prime minister for the new "emergency government". It will control the West Bank, where Fatah is still the more powerful group.

Meantime, Israel has hinted at releasing millions in tax revenues to the new government, which have been withheld since Hamas were elected and even after they joined with Fatah. There is also talk of ending the international siege on the Fatah-controlled West Bank. Both events are occurring under the continued campaign of strengthening Abbas and Fatah and turning Palestinians against Hamas.

An Israeli minister has called for even more action against Hamas. Benjamin Ben-Eliezer advocates targeting the entire Hamas organization, including members of the government. He said: "We have to put them all in the cross-hairs".

Israel has been pounding Hamas positions in Gaza with air strikes for over a week, and rockets are continuing to fall. With Hamas now in charge, Israel's Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is coming under pressure to re-occupy the strip.

Whether they like it or not, Israelis should realize that, every air strike and assassination in Gaza and the West Bank, hardens Palestinian resolve.

Even though Palestinians are under occupation, as well as  impoverished, restricted, suffering humiliation and under fear of Israeli bombs and snipers, there will always be Palestinian resistance movements, and they will always have popular support. Israel has been launching air strikes and carrying out assassinations for decades, and Israelis in towns near Gaza are in more danger than they ever have been from the increasing rocket attacks.  

The only way Israel can kill Palestinian resistance is to actively seek out a way to end the occupation, return the land gained in 1967 or its equivalent, and find a solution to the refugee issue that can be accepted by both sides.

It is said Israel can't relinquish the land because it would put them back to the strategic weakness that led to them fighting two defensive wars in 1948 and 1967. Israel should be proud that it was able to repel such attacks with what was then a relatively small, poorly equipped army. An army that has increased in size and bought more arms, advanced weaponry and Weapons of Mass Destruction in the last 40 years than anyone who would threaten it.

During that long time span, the Israeli army has become feared and revered – and not to mention U.S. support becoming an engrained policy. I believe that if Israel ends the occupation, there is a good chance of securing a peaceful Middle East, certainly more likely than continuing on the current path: the continuing financial blockade increasing poverty in a previously impoverished place, and with the 10 metre high wall Israel is building around settlements, isolating Palestinian areas and adding to the hopelessness and desperation of all Palestinians. Not to mention the anger at regular assassinations in the West Bank and periodic air strikes and ground incursions in Gaza, and the civilian death tolls.

Hamas' charter calls for the destruction of Israel, and since Hamas won the Palestinian election in early 2006, Israel has been blinded to peace by its desire to destroy Hamas. Attempting to destroy their popular support with the internationally supported financial blockade, and, since factional fighting broke out with renewed brutality, by arming Fatah and launching targeted strikes against Hamas militants and rocket squads.

The strikes have been intensified since Hamas withdrew from the ceasefire with Israel. Hamas t control of Gaza is proof that this policy has been a massively bad idea, because any group that doesn't actively fight to end the occupation will not have credibility in Palestinian eyes. Fatah being armed by the Israeli government for the factional war solidified Fatah and their leader Abbas' image as Israel and the U.S.' lap-dog .And as Fatah continues to be favoured and armed by Israel at the expense and to the detriment of the people's favourite, Hamas, any shred of credibility for Palestinian Authority President Abbas and his secular Fatah party slips away. Israel's collateral damage therefore support for Hamas even further.

It is fair to say that any deal reached by Fatah will be seen to concede too much to Israel, because whatever it concedes, Palestinians will be dubious about what has been given away behind the scenes. No deal that isn't accepted by all Palestinians would last more than five minutes, and Palestinians will accept no deal that isn’t at least overseen and accepted by Hamas. If Israel realized that peace was the only way to secure their population, then they must also realize their current air strikes are targeting their best chance of reaching a lasting agreement with the Palestinians.

There may be the opportunity for a ceasefire agreement to end the current Gaza fighting, now solely between Hamas and Israel. If this is done properly it could lead to direct Israel-Hamas talks that could secure a peace deal, which would likely be accepted by the majority of Palestinians. Israel's Fatah-dog would no doubt succumb to Israel's wishes. I don't hold out much hope.

My take is that Israel hopes that the more bombs it drops and civilians it kills, the more it will turn Palestinians against the "terrorists", but after two decades of these policies, Palestinians turned to Hamas anyway – showing that it is time for a change. Until Israel realizes this, there will be no peace.

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  • moonraven

    It is abundantly clear that the LAST thing the Israelis want is peace.

  • zingzing

    aww, shit. i agree with moonraven. both sides in this conflict need to just settle down. they are like children i say. children with guns and bombs and rockets and a deathwish and fanatical religious belief. scary mixture, all that.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Peace, Liam? Peace is bullshit. At least the peace you keep talking about. No, we do not need peace at all. We need victory. The Arabs have to suffer so badly from war that they will beg for peace. If they don’t beg for peace – well, then they will have made their own beds: and they’ll die in them.

  • zingzing

    you sound like an islamic terrorist when you say that, ruvy. and you should know, after 40 years of the same old bullshit, that fighting is getting you nowhere.

    just learn to live with each other like all the other little people do. we know you can work it out!

  • Zedd

    Liam

    Good article.

    What is problematic in the situation is that the enmity is not based on philosophical and political differences. The conflict now exists because of a hatred of one another.

    There is no real reason for this conflict to be going on. Both sides exaggerate the “evilness” of the other side. Both sides are unforgiving and the Palestinian people continue to suffer.

    I also sense that Israel doesn’t have an identity outside of war. Once there is a real peace, who does Israel become? The Palestinians will have a new nation, the rest of the Arab states have ancient histories, Israel will be (?). Will they play a role on the world stage in economics? Will they receive the billions from the rest of the world? They will simply be a country among many in the middle east. I suppose the biblical sites will keep them afloat in as far as international significance but other than that, who will care?

    They are like a person who got a lot of attention because of an illness who then doesn’t want to let go of that attention and becomes a hypochondriac to the annoyance of everyone around him.

  • zingzing

    “They are like a person who got a lot of attention because of an illness who then doesn’t want to let go of that attention and becomes a hypochondriac to the annoyance of everyone around him.”

    damn.

  • sr

    moonbean#1. No wonder your called moonbat. Of course Israel wants to make war. It’s more fun for them then peace any day of the week. They just love the suicide bombers blowing up their people while rocket’s rain down on them. What a fool you are.

  • troll

    *Come let us go up the mountain of the Lord, that we may walk the paths of the Most High.

    And we shall beat our swords into ploughshares, and our spears into pruning hooks.

    Nation shall not lift up sword against nation–neither shall they learn war any more.

    And none shall be afraid, for the mouth of the Lord of Hosts has spoken.*

    …just a thought

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Troll,

    I had hoped to bring about that day early with my own efforts, along with those of others. But history overtook me, or I did not do enough. In either event, the prophecy you quote from Isaiah WILL occur – only after a bloodbath and purification.

    Sorry, dude.

  • troll

    Ruvy – your God is perfectly capable of handling the purification as He sees fit

    you as a Jew need to keep your eye on the prize and your job – ‘fixing the world’ and thus bringing the ‘end of history’ not through blowing your enemies up but rather through ritual and prayer

    …but that’s just the opinion of this semi Semite

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    “THE STATE OF ISRAEL is prepared to cooperate with the agencies and representatives of the United Nations in implementing the resolution of the General Assembly of the 29th November, 1947, and will take steps to bring about the economic union of the whole of Eretz-Israel.

    WE APPEAL to the United Nations to assist the Jewish people in the building-up of its State and to receive the State of Israel into the comity of nations.

    WE APPEAL – in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months – to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.

    WE EXTEND our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East.

    The above is from the Dewclaration of Independence of the State of Israel. Pay attention dimwits!! This country has EXTENDED its “hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness,” – only to have that offer of peace spurned and spit at – and to have her people massacred and attacked time and again by terrorists after a cease fire was arranged in 1949.

    THE ARABS HAVE WANTED WAR FOR ALL THIS TIME! LET THEM HAVE THEIR WISH! LET THEM DIE, EXTERMINATED AS THEY DESIRE US TO BE; LET THEM STARVE AND FLEE AND BEG, AS THEY WOULD HAVE US DO! IF THERE MUST BE A BLOODBATH, LET THERE BE A BLOODBATH. BUT LET’S BE RID OF THE BASTARDS – FROM THE LIBYAN DESERT TO THE PERSIAN GULF.

    If the stinking camel fuckers want peace,. let them bend over and make the concessions, let them come on their hands and knees and beg!

    Then we can think about reconciliation.

  • moonraven

    sr:

    Obviously you are less than 12 years old or you would REMEMBER that all Israel has done in the last 60 years since statehood is MAKE WAR.

    Before that the Zionist terrorists just killed their neighbors.

    Great guys. I am sure glad they aren’t MY neighbors.

    I am called moonbat by uneducated zitfaces like you. Pray they give you a GED.

  • SFC SKI

    “Hamas’ charter calls for the destruction of Israel, … Israel has been blinded to peace by its desire to destroy Hamas. ”

    Am I missing something here? What makes anyone think that an organization that calls for the destruction of another, and goes to great lenghts to carry it out can be negotiated with?

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    “…you would REMEMBER that all Israel has done in the last 60 years since statehood is MAKE WAR.”

    Just like a woman to ignore the facts so she can blather her a opinions about as though they WERE facts. Marthe, I USED TO be married to someone like you. Note the tense in that sentence. Divorce has been good for me…

    The only way you’d be a good neighbor would be if you WERE convinced that I was a terrorist.

  • zingzing

    ruvy–you sound exactly like a terrorist. ahem, from you rant: “LET THEM DIE, EXTERMINATED AS THEY DESIRE US TO BE; LET THEM STARVE AND FLEE AND BEG, AS THEY WOULD HAVE US DO! IF THERE MUST BE A BLOODBATH, LET THERE BE A BLOODBATH. BUT LET’S BE RID OF THE BASTARDS – FROM THE LIBYAN DESERT TO THE PERSIAN GULF.”

    if you hadn’t written that, you could easily assume that was an arab talking about a jew. but no! it was this god-filled (and fucked) old man in israel who is quite willing to see his fucking country go down the shitter and his two sons sucked up into this war within a few years, probably to be shot dead in the street for their old fucking man’s god. and country! don’t forget nazi-like nationalism! go ruvy!

    you seriously need to figure out what went wrong in your skull.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    What’s wrong with my skull, zingzing? Did you look at the first part of the comment at all? The State of Israel began its existence with a statement practically begging for peace. Extending the hand to achieve peace, taking risks for peace, etc. etc., etc., just hasn’t worked at all.

    So, I outlined the alternative – death to the damned murderers of my people in the Middle East.

    Remember, zingzing, I also have a little list – but that’s on a different thread…

  • zingzing

    nothing wrong “with” your skull, ruvy–“IN” your skull. meaning your brain.

    israel gives lip service to peace. yet as soon as some militant lobs a couple of missiles in your direction, israel bombards whole neighborhoods. they can’t turn the other cheek. i know you don’t want them to. but i do. i want to see someone rise up in that neck of the woods and show a little guts. palestine hides behind terrorism, while israel hides behind u.s.-supplied weaponry. yer all a bunch of pussies.

    “So, I outlined the alternative – death to the damned murderers of my people in the Middle East.”

    yep–muslims are killing your people. because you killed their’s. because they kill your’s. because you killed their’s, etc, etc, etc. it’s blatantly obvious that no one wants to stop. you can’t stop because they won’t and they can’t stop because you won’t. both of you stop. there you go. it’s really like two little brats in the back seat of a car hitting each other, always wanting the last hit. mother is the rest of the world, telling you that you won’t be going to the fucking candy store if you don’t cut it out. so cut it out. you want candy.

    “Remember, zingzing, I also have a little list – but that’s on a different thread…”

    fine, ruvy.

  • http://warpages-leejay.blogspot.com Liam Bailey

    SFC SKI

    What great lengths have Hamas gone to to destroy Israel? What actions could Hamas take to destroy Israel…

    Would 100000 suicide attacks destroy all of Israel? No, and it would take hamas hundreds of years to successfully break through Israel’s border check-points to make that many attacks. By the time each suicide attack happened Israel had repaired the damage from the last, and the rockets are just metal fireworks. Therefore, Hamas can not destory Israel, and though it has attacked Israel it is foolish to think that Hamas is trying to, or believes they ever could destory Israel, so their charter is irrelevant.

    Now, another question. Could Israel destory gaza and the West Bank? Of course it could, obviously launching its nuclear arsenal would do the job but not without contaminating its own population. But it could do a pretty good job with its artillery and air-force using only conventional weapons, not to mention cruise missiles.

  • troll

    it’s just like Bob Marley said: we’re all God’s children…and therein lies the problem as He is an adolescent and petulant deity with little regard for human life

  • troll

    Ruvy asks – *What’s wrong with my skull, zingzing?* and makes it too easy

    sorry – couldn’t resist

  • moonraven

    ruvy–I USED to be married (divorced him in 1978) to someone as rigid as you.

    He’s dead now, and I am able to create mischief all around the globe thanks at least in part to his pension.

    There’s a message there, if your skull is not too thick to let it enter….

  • SFC SKI

    # 18, Whether or not HAMAS could destroy Israel as a location, is not immaterial, they will continue to try, and every Israeli they kill encourages them. Damage can be repaired, but the lives lost to suicide bombers cannot be replaced. HAMAS defines the destruction of Israel as the removal of every Israeli from Palestinian soil, from Jordan to the Mediterranean, not just renaming a geographical area. The rockets, BTW, are not just fireworks, the shrapnel they produce can kill, and quite frankly, beyond under an artillery attack is pretty terrifying.

    When will world opinion put more of the Palestinians’ situation on the Palestinians themselves? The Palestinians elected HAMAS in Gaza, looks like it doesn’t want to play with FATAH anymore.
    It’s more than than that, the rare moderate Palestinian in Gaza or the West Bank who suggests that armed opposition hasn’t really brought the Palestinians much success, or who criticizes HAMAS or FATAH, is usually found brutally murdered, if found at all.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    zing,

    If the Arabs put down their guns, there will be no war. If we put down our guns there will be no Israel.

    I intend to live. A Jew invented someone who could not be killed by bullets (Superman) – but we are not comic strip characters. Since Arab bombs and bullets do kill us, we better shoot back if we intend to live.

    You assholes nail this country to a cross every fucking day – Israel is your new Jesus and you have to go and kill him – ALL OVER AGAIN. You goyim haven’t learned one damned thing in 2,000 years, have you? But individually, zing, we did not sign up to be your messiahs. Find someone else to nail to your damned crosses.

    I follow the Talmud, zing.

    “If someone raises his hand to bless you, bless him first; if he raises his hand to kill you, kill him first.”

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    “Ruvy–I USED to be married (divorced him in 1978) to someone as rigid as you.”

    Marthe,

    If this guy was as rigid as me, he must have been awful flexible with most things, but tight with money (when you live on the street for a year, you learn frugality).

    Consider yourself lucky to be enjoying HIS pension.

    I sense that whatever type of fellow I am, I’m nothing like your ex. First of all, YOU would not be enjoying my pension while my body rotted in the grave. The kids of the marriage would…

    But let’s not get into a domestic spat in public. It’s just not good manners…

  • zingzing

    ruvy: “You assholes nail this country to a cross every fucking day – Israel is your new Jesus and you have to go and kill him – ALL OVER AGAIN.”

    i ain’t christian. so don’t give me christian metaphors. we’re really nailing you to the cross, eh? is that what all that military and monetary support means to you? i’m just saying you’re as guilty as the rest of them.

    “You goyim haven’t learned one damned thing in 2,000 years, have you?”

    i wasn’t around 2,000 years ago, and neither do “goyims” have some collective intelligence or anything, nor do i give a fuck, individually or as a group, about jews in general. they’re just people to me. ISRAELIS, on the other hand, are guilty of perpetuating a meaningless and unending war right along with their palestinian friends. you people are all the same, in that you are like little children. if anyone has something to learn from history, it’s israel and palestine. how fun is it to run in circles? looks pretty fucking exciting from here.

    “But individually, zing, we did not sign up to be your messiahs. Find someone else to nail to your damned crosses.”

    i don’t have a cross. or nails. so fuck off with that bullshit.

    “I follow the Talmud, zing.[:] “If someone raises his hand to bless you, bless him first; if he raises his hand to kill you, kill him first.””

    sounds kind of like the koran, eh? religion is violence. keep it in mind.

    “If the Arabs put down their guns, there will be no war. If we put down our guns there will be no Israel.”

    that’s what you’d like to believe. that’s what you are forced to believe, even if it could be turned right around. what do you think that the arabs think? that’s right.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    “If the Arabs put down their guns, there will be no war. If we put down our guns there will be no Israel.”

    that’s what you’d like to believe. that’s what you are forced to believe, even if it could be turned right around. what do you think that the arabs think? that’s right.

    No, dumbshit. What I say are the objective facts. Five Qassams landed in S’derot today, and two landed in Ashkelon. The bastards want to kill us and you just cheer the stinkin’ sons pf bitches on and tell us that we should used YOUR – YES. I SAID YOUR shitty Christian theology for a response.

    I have yet to see you or the “other z thing,” Zedd, condemn the murderous Arab terrorists. Zedd whines on about how the Arabs have dark skin – so the poor bastards deserve an affirmative action plan of 6½ million dead Jews, and everything ewe own. The redskin on the list says pretty much the same thing in different words, as she flaps he ravenous wings and caws. And Liam Bailey writes to please the Arabs. While the unions in his country vote to boycott us.

    Damn! You guys are lucky I’m not running this country. You’d be howling like fuckin’ banshees!

    But for once, you’d have something to howl about as the radioactive gases settled about the glass that HAD been Riyadh and Teheran, the incendiary fires burned Damascus to a rubble, and the waters of Lake Nasser flooded Egypt out of existence. And for once, I’d be quiet and content, knowing that I had done something good for my people, and ultimately for mankind…

  • moonraven

    Ruvy,

    For a guy who appears to be fairly intelligent, but who is completly insane in regard to Israel, you sure have a hard time seeing an obvious message.

    My ex did not handle the money in our household–I did. But cheap he wasn’t.

    I guess you have a need to live out the negative Jewish stereotypes in dayglo colors.

    But it ain’t funny. You have thrown your lot in with a bunch of thugs.

  • zingzing

    “No, dumbshit. What I say are the objective facts.”

    no they aren’t. and don’t call me dumbshit. (have you lost your ability to have a decent conversation without name-calling?) you know as well as i do that the arabs believe the same damn things you believe: that you are out to kill them, that you will not stop until you rule the world, that you want to see the arab people wiped out (as YOU have said so yourself).

    you’re about as objective as the foaming mouths on the other side, ruvy, and you’re too fucking blinded by hate to see it.

    “The bastards want to kill us and you just cheer the stinkin’ sons pf bitches on and tell us that we should used YOUR – YES. I SAID YOUR shitty Christian theology for a response”

    if you think i’m cheering anyone on, then you aren’t even reading what i’m writing. which is quite believable. i can’t believe you just wrote that. i’m cheering them on? you’re a child, ruvy. nothing but i child. i have no christian theology, so you can stop shoving words in my mouth any time.

    “I have yet to see you or the “other z thing,” Zedd, condemn the murderous Arab terrorists.”

    then open up your fucking eyes. read #25 again and tell me that i don’t say you’re equally to blame. you’re both (israel and palestine) stupid fucking idiots who want nothing but blood and it’s sickening and i fucking hate it. you’re fucking up the world–the both of you. YOU ARE EXACTLY THE SAME.

    “so the poor bastards deserve an affirmative action plan of 6½ million dead Jews, and everything ewe own”

    man, you are so barking up the wrong tree. i’m having a hard time figuring out what you’re trying to say even. get your foot out of your mouth. and don’t play the victim card in this situation. it doesn’t work. yes, the holocaust happened. yes, it was disgusting. so is this. two wrongs don’t make a right.

    “But for once, you’d have something to howl about as the radioactive gases settled about the glass that HAD been Riyadh and Teheran, the incendiary fires burned Damascus to a rubble, and the waters of Lake Nasser flooded Egypt out of existence. And for once, I’d be quiet and content, knowing that I had done something good for my people, and ultimately for mankind…”

    you’ve grown sick, ruvy. you, as you present yourself here, are as bad as any madman in history. dare i say it? nah… you know what i’m talking about. YOU ARE EVERY BIT AS BAD AS THEY ARE. (just read what you just wrote for the proof.)

    not that i completely blame you. you’ve just been pushed too far. it is a good thing that people like you aren’t running israel. if israel’s foreign policy was like that which you describe… then you know as well as i do that israel would be obliterated within seconds of you sitting back and resting on your mountain of corpses.

    meh. if the lot of you completely killed each other off, i would have to say that you did it to yourself, and you would know that i was right.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Marthe,

    I’m frugal – I’ve had to be most of my life. But when there is money to hand out, I hands it out with an open hand. And I’m honest and straight.

    As for Jewish negative stereotypes, you find them in stereo here; the thieving prime minister, the murderous president, the defense minister who would purposely lead religious soldiers to die and the SHAS minister who has to stick his hand in the till in a pathetic imitation of the prime minister.

    To top it off, the “Torah” sages who will not allow their flock to oppose a “Contamination” parade in J-lem tomorrow. Someone probably told them that they would get a huge donation of shekels for their yeshivas if they shut up and looked the other way.

    That, Marthe, is negative Jewish stereotyping in stereo – cockroach city in the small-time Stalinist shleppocracy of Israel. Feh!!

    And I would never throw my hand in with such bastards, or with such thugs. I wouldn’t be able to look myself in the mirror in the morning when i shaved and combed the few hairs I have left on my head. I’d want to strangle myself with the straps of my t’fillin instead. And I’m not suicidal.

    But here is the paradox (Ben Casey and Dr. Kildare waking down the hospital aisle). I’m much safer and happier here than in Babylon on the Hudson, the Potomac, the Delaware, and whatever mess of mud that Houston calls a river.

    This, bad as it is right now, is HOME. And G-d was kind enough to lead me here. And I’m grateful.

  • http://www.robot-of-the-week.com Christopher Rose

    Ruvy says: “You guys are lucky I’m not running this country”.

    For the first time in many a long mad month, I find myself in agreement with him.

  • moonraven

    Ruvy,

    There are more than two choices of countries on this planet. Why anyone would want to live in either Israel or the US–and be tarred with the brush for their atrocities–is simply beyond my comprehension.

  • Zedd

    Ruvy

    have yet to see you or the “other z thing,” Zedd, condemn the murderous Arab terrorists. Zedd whines on about how the Arabs have dark skin – so the poor bastards deserve an affirmative action plan of 6½ million dead Jews, and everything ewe own. The redskin on the list says pretty much the same thing in different words, as she flaps he ravenous wings and caws. And Liam Bailey writes to please the Arabs. While the unions in his country vote to boycott us.

    I have stated over and over again that both Jews and Arabs are alike. Too much alike actually. I have said that you come from the same origin, obviously the biggest drama queen ever born to a woman. You both don’t know how to let things go and both groups over exaggerate EVERYTHING. Just reading your posts there are all sorts of declarations and catastrophes.

    My beef is not with Islam or Judaism by beef is with the state of Israel and how they have dealt with the Palestinians.

    Not sure what the death of 6million Jews has to do with the Palestinian issue which the Jews created. Palestinians don’t have the worlds largest Air force, they have suicide bombers. Should I condemn the fact that you have a “defense” force? I didn’t condemn the ANC nor PAC when they were carrying AK47s in retaliation tot he SA government. You cant cause conflict and expect the people who you have destabilized not to fight back. SORRY. And the lives of the 6million does not BUY you that privilege.

    You also know full well that if Jews were not Europeanized (whitened) that no one would give a hoot what happened to you. It would be like India and Pakistan, just another eye rolling conflict between the darkies.

  • Zedd

    Ruvy

    I have to add, terrorism is an abomination. OFF COURSE! What does that have to do with the discussions that we have had. Is it because the most discussed terrorist TODAY are Muslim that you think that I should say something?

    I am only sticking to the discussions at hand. You however seem to be highly prejudice. If race was an issue in this equation, I would definitely refer to you as a racist. However since these people are your people to an extent, that wouldn’t apply.

    Your views are so slanted and most people looking from the outside keep telling you and you choose to ignore it. Your hatred is consuming you and robbing you of reaching your destination in life. From your postings, you seem to be a seeker. You seem to have gone to the middle east to find “it”. Your hatred for Arabs is blocking you for discovering what you are looking for.

    Many people have stated on this thread that you seem intelligent, however your logic becomes stifled when it comes to this issue. You love your people, this I understand but Ruvy…….

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    As usual, Zedd, your unstable grasp of the facts undoes the points you would make.

    The Arab Jewish conflict is not a racial thing at all. There are at least as many dark skinned Jews here as there are dark-skinned Arabs. Skin color is not anywhere near as important here as it is in America, Africa or even India, for that matter. But you appear to think that this is the problem – and you seem to have an affirmative action program of denying 6½ million Israeli Jews (that’s how many there are) of their homes, livelihoods and very possibly their lives – all for the sake of the supposedly racially persecuted “poor Palestinians.” The fact that there is no such thing as a Palestinian “nationality” is no deterrent to your “Jews are evil colonialists” mentality. My home, and that of 6½ million other Israeli Jews have to be eliminated for the sake of a phony nation – a “non-people” to quote Deuteronomy – so that YOUR notions of righteousness can be satisfied.

    I realize that you are black, Zedd and a proud daughter of the great Zulu nation. But just because you are black does not render the conflict here into an issue of melanin amounts in the skin. You have a nationality, one older than America, and roots you can go back to should you ever become disappointed with the American dream. The blunt fact of the matter is that the vast majority of “Palestinians” have no such roots and have no such commonality, one reason their entity is collapsing in on itself. We Jews do – like the great Zulu nation you belong to.

  • Zedd

    Ruvy,

    You miss read. I didn’t say that race is a factor in Israel.

    Race is a factor in the world and your assistance and pampering by Europeans and America is mainly because of that. That is the truth of our world. The support is not because you are more righteous or have a more substantial beef. If all Jews looked like their Arab brothers no one would care if you blew each other up to smithereens. They’d only be hoping that you didn’t blow up the oil fields. Actually the West would probably be working to destabilize the region even further in order to take over.

    Off Course there are dark Jews in Israel. That is how Jews looked before they were Europeanized. Jesus probably looked like Saddam.