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These are serious times. The economy, the cultural civil war, the two real wars and the seemingly endless list of franchise opportunities that lay on the horizon – all immensely serious topics.

But be honest. Like me, you’re dying to see the Vice Presidential debate between Joe Biden and Sarah Palin, and it’s not because of Joe Biden. Nothing of substance is going to come out of that debate. It won’t provide any great answers to our country’s future, but admit it; we’re not missing that thing for the world.

The Republicans have had Sarah Palin guarded closer than Fort Knox, and yet gold like the following comes out every day:

Couric: And when it comes to establishing your worldview, I was curious, what newspapers and magazines did you regularly read before you were tapped for this to stay informed and to understand the world?

Palin: I've read most of them, again with a great appreciation for the press, for the media.

Couric: What, specifically?

Palin: Um, all of them, any of them that have been in front of me all these years.

Couric: Can you name a few?

Palin: I have a vast variety of sources where we get our news, too. Alaska isn't a foreign country, where it's kind of suggested, "Wow, how could you keep in touch with what the rest of Washington, D.C., may be thinking when you live up there in Alaska?" Believe me, Alaska is like a microcosm of America.

Wow. She couldn’t come up with one. Even Dan Quayle would have been able say, “Katie I make sure that I’ve read the entire Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, and New York Times before breakfast every day.” He’d be lying, but he would have been able to do it.

Just how bad should I feel that I’m looking forward to the next Tina Fey sketch where she just echoes Palin word for word, more than I am the resolution of the subprime mortgage crisis? How can I spend time reading about our progress in Iraq, when I’m busy watching clips of Matt Damon comparing her candidacy to a really bad Disney movie where mom saves the world?

Then there was this gaffe that Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy made with host Chuck Todd when they thought their mikes were off.

Mike Murphy: You know, because I come out of the blue swing state governor world: Engler, Whitman, Tommy Thompson, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush. I mean, these guys — this is how you win a Texas race, just run it up. And it's not gonna work. And –

Peggy Noonan: It's over.

MM: Still McCain can give a version of the Lieberman speech to do himself some good.

Chuck Todd: I also think the Palin pick is insulting to Kay Bailey Hutchinson, too.

PN: Saw Kay this morning.

CT: Yeah, she's never looked comfortable about this –

MM: They're all bummed out.

CT: Yeah, I mean is she really the most qualified woman they could have turned to?

PN: The most qualified? No! I think they went for this — excuse me — political bullshit about narratives –

CT: Yeah they went to a narrative.

MM: I totally agree.

PN: Every time the Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it.

MM: You know what's really the worst thing about it? The greatness of McCain is no cynicism, and this is cynical.

CT: This is cynical, and as you called it, gimmicky.

MM: Yeah.

Those are Republicans! Honestly, I'm not trying to be partisan – I'd like to be, but I'm too busy following the carnival. Am I on Punk''d – where's Ashton?

For my money, when it comes to Palin, James Carville is the guy that you can’t afford to miss. Is there a conservative female pundit alive that he hasn’t been seen opposite on one talk show or another?

Here’s a brief summary of every show Carville has been on for the past week.

Conservative Female Pundit or Politician: She is an incredibly smart, tough woman with executive experience. I find your opposition to her sexist and demeaning to women.

Carville, his eyes bulging in disbelief as if he’s being forced to explain why gravity keeps objects from floating off into space: How is it demeaning to women? Please! I supported Hilary Clinton for President. She is eminently unqualified for this position. Here are 80 Republican women that I would consider great candidates for Vice President – Olympia Snow, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Condoleezza Rice …. Martha Stewart, Paris Hilton, Lindsey Lohan. I mean this is just absurd!

I actually feel sorry for Joe Biden. Just how thoroughly can he thrash this poor woman without looking like Jack the Ripper? The over/under on how many time he says, “with all due respect” in that debate has to be somewhere around 100.

How can Biden truly win this thing? If this debate is even considered a tie, Hilary Clinton is replacing him on that ticket in about as much time as it takes for Barack to find her speed dial extension on his cell phone.

This debate is a lose/lose for the country, but for the entertainment seeking viewer it's a win/win. If Palin goes out there and kicks Biden's ass, that's like the Cubs winning the World Series. You'll be telling your grandkids about it!

If Barack Obama was really as smart as his die hard supporters say he is, he’d have his wife go out there and thrash Palin so Biden didn’t have to be the bad guy, because I’d bet almost all of my life savings that she could do it without the hours and hours of preparation that Palin is going through right now as she desperately crams for this sideshow.

Go ahead, call me sexist. Tell me that I don’t understand small town values and pluck. I know I'm going to hell for finding so much glee in this. I know that this should be an important serious affair, but then again I didn't make the most cynical Vice Presidential selection in the history of American Politics. Couldn't they have gotten a blood relative of Aaron Burr or Spiro Agnew instead?

Look, you’re going to be watching that debate for the same reason that I am. You're not? You also watch NASCAR for the excellent skill of the drivers and the thrill of competition at its finest, right?

I’m looking for the ghastly wreck, and I strongly suspect I’m not alone.

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  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    I’m dying to see this debate because I think America has underestimated Sarah Palin. She may seem to gaffe it all up but in the end how different is she from mainstream America? She’s raising a family. She has an opinion on abortion (albeit a position that remains unpopular), she certainly recognizes that Alaska sits atop a great reserve of energy that this country needs now. The pundits can repeat that she’s not ready for prime time. But is that necessarily such a bad thing? Joe Biden has been around for a lot of years in the Senate. What positive change has he facilitated in making Congress responsive to the needs of the people? John McCain has been around for about as long. He’s tried to effect change to no avail. Barack Obama hasn’t been in the Senate long enough to be completely changed by the Washington mentality. Hmm…. maybe it’s time for an Obama/Palin ticket.

  • http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/39420/joanne_huspek.html Joanne Huspek

    I don’t know. I might take a couple of Benadryl and a shot of Nyquil and hope for a pleasant dream.

  • Jordan Richardson

    I love the spin on this from the pundits. Now that Sarah Palin has been running around making an idiot of herself, she’s the “real American.” She was the “pitbull with lipstick,” the designated GOP attack dog set to pounce on anyone with a Blue Streak. But now that she’s really proving her mettle and her lack of capability to do the job she’s up for, the spin is that she represents “mainstream America.”

    Is that how little you people think of mainstream America? That most of mainstream America is underqualified to do the job they do, that most of mainstream America thinks their proximity to another country and their ability to “see” it gives them “foreign policy experience,” that they don’t know a single magazine they read and merely read what’s “put in front of them?”

    Seriously, this is ridiculous on an epic scale. Sarah Palin is in over her head and I actually feel sorry for her, much in the same way I used to feel sorry for Britney Spears. Palin’s not a leader, she can’t be “a heartbeat away from the presidency” when she has to “get back to ya” to answer basic questions. Christ, when she was asked about Senate positions she disagreed with besides Roe V. Wade she named Roe V. Wade.

    She is not mainstream America. And so what if she is? If mainstream America is as stupid as Sarah Palin, mainstream America then has NO business in political office.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    I’ve also heard Sarah Palin speak, and like Silas, I think she has been under-estimated. She’ll have a hard time remembering a horde of facts dealing with foreign affairs – but that is usually the case with candidates who haven’t had any experience at all overseas, or sleeping through hearings like Biden has.

    From what I was able to see, she reads the internet, like most of us do, and who remembers the myriad sources by name? So Katie Couric was able to appear to trip her up.

    But if she pretends she is talking to a congregation in church, she will do well, so long as she remembers not to break into too much church lingo.

    In the final anlalysis, her audience is the American people, not the dipshit reporter/moderator sent to carve her into bits.

    I may actually get to watch this. The debate is on at 04:00, our time, and we are visiting folks in J-lem for the Sabbath and the only bus leaving the village for J-lem is at 06:00 – so we’ll be up before the birdies are….

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Oh Lord, Silas. Mainstream America, huh? And that is who we want negotiating with Iran and Russia? Someone who doesn’t read newspapers and can’t put an English sentence together? Who has never traveled outside the country (except to inspect “her” troops last year) and who talks about trade with Russia yet never even attended trade conferences she was invited to as a governor? Whose talents seem to run to singing Christian songs and playing, rather badly, the flute? And raising a family (which I admit is something but doesn’t make you fit for the Vice Presidency).

    Silas, you are not an unintelligent man. She is probably a perfectly decent woman to have as a friend, if one likes the type. But this woman has a one in six chance of being President, statistically.

    And she is of average, if that, intelligence, average, if that, curiosity. She is not a thinker, she is not particularly interesting or articulate or nuanced. She seems, well, very very average.

    And the problems and issues facing our nation are not very very average. They are quite complex.

    The problem is that our government has been very simplistic (witness the past two weeks) in trying to solve some of those problems.

    Just yesterday we had to rethink our Afghanistan policy. Things are heating up again.

    This monetary crisis has just begun.

    And we want Sarah Palin in the mix? Ms. Middle America?

    Silas. Please. Get. Real.

    Our leaders should, at the very least, be more informed than the average citizen. And not because their empty heads got crammed full of shit by spinmeisters in preparation for a debate in front of the public. At the very least.

    As my fifteen year old would say in horror: OMG.

  • Jordan Richardson

    From what I was able to see, she reads the internet, like most of us do, and who remembers the myriad sources by name? So Katie Couric was able to appear to trip her up.

    Ruvy, Palin was asked what newspapers and magazines she read to provide her worldview. It was a simple question, not a trap. If she, “like most of us,” reads the internet, she could have said so. Instead, she said she reads all of them! Couric didn’t trip Palin up; Palin tripped herself on her Pantsuit of Absurdity.

    In the final anlalysis, her audience is the American people, not the dipshit reporter/moderator sent to carve her into bits.

    And how is she presented to the American people? That’s right, via the “dipshit reporter/moderator.” Palin has a responsibility to be able to handle the press if she intends to be VP of the country. She does not get to play fast and loose with her own stupidity.

  • Mooja

    Sara Palin has more qualifications for Vice President than Barak Obama has for President. This is a man who cites his undergrad degree in his resume for Office of President. In this day and age Palin is a true rare representative of the people. The more the elite turn up their noses at her the more the flyover states will be drawn to her. I hope for the sake of the Republican party that she hangs in there.

  • Clavos

    Is that how little you people think of mainstream America? That most of mainstream America is underqualified to do the job they do, that most of mainstream America thinks their proximity to another country and their ability to “see” it gives them “foreign policy experience,” that they don’t know a single magazine they read and merely read what’s “put in front of them?”

    Actually, yes. That about sums ‘em up…But only the ones that actually know how to read–most don’t–not with real comprehension.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    No, mainstream American can do the jobs they do. They just can’t all be Vice President.

    I think I remember reading a statistic that only 1/3 of Americans own a passport–someone correct me, please, if I am wrong, I gotta get my daughter at school– and it’s just now that foreign language instruction is taking off, sort of, in public schools. We aren’t really good at geography or other cultures, many of us… and a good many of us are suspicious of other cultures and religions (trust me on this. I am the first and only Jew some people have ever met. They hae told me so. And look at all the fear and rumor surround Obama’s supposed Muslimness–okay, that is not a word:).)

    Palin actually said she had never met anyone who didn’t agree with her on the subject of abortion…although it was hard tell if she meant that subject or the morning after pill.

    Is THAT who we want as our veep?

    Guys and gals…. Thanks but no thanks.

  • Cindy D

    PALIN WINS THE DEBATE!

    I didn’t know that John McCain had taken out an ad claiming he won the debate–before the debate!

    Stephen Colbert includes this in one of his best shows I’ve ever seen The Word – Future Perfect

    “Breaking News: It’s official, Hillary Clinton’s 2012 Presidency is responsible for destroying the economy four years ago.” -Stephen Colbert

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    She is not mainstream America. And so what if she is? If mainstream America is as stupid as Sarah Palin, mainstream America then has NO business in political office.

    Oh, but she IS so mainstream America – detached, insecure, ignorant of foreign policy, clueless on the economy. We’ve entrusted the pols in Washington for decades with our lives and where has that gotten us? For a society so filled with common sense, we continually cut off our collectives noses to spite ourselves.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    And you seem to think this is a good idea.

    The “We’ve always done it this way” policy….

    Which is why I am going for the change candidate:)

  • Jordan Richardson

    There is no change candidate running in any of the Big Two.

    America’s corporate political parties are running on the same fumes they always have, only one has dredged up an articulate, charismatic speaker and the other has dredged up someone who likes their peas mashed.

    Real change comes from the bottom up.

  • Clavos

    Which is why I am going for the change candidate:)

    Good for you, lisa!

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Real change comes from the bottom up.

    And with that comes real work and commitment. That’s something which is not in the cards for America. We’re a fat, lazy bunch of apathetic morons who only have ourselves to blame. There’s no such thing as patriotism or doing what’s right for the country. We’re too busy buying substandard merchandise at WalMart and allowing television to rear our children. We even blame the education system for failing to educate our spawn but the bottom line is parents bear the responsibility. This “blame it on the other guy” mentality is our biggest enemy. We don’t have to worry about Iran, terrorists or other enemies both foreign and domestic. We’re our own worst enemy. When the Second Civil War erupts it’s going to make the first look like recess at Romper Room.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Oh, poop, Silas, and quit being condescending, Clav. McCain’s base was tired old men voting dispiritedly for him, until Palin came along and juiced them up a little, while Barack HAS energized the bottom…. he has gotten people involved. Yes, change does come from the bottom up and I think you may well see more of it. I agree that a lot of Americans are lazy and apathetic but I am not one of those, nor are those with whom I ‘hang.’ Nor are those who are working for Obama, and if the young people who are energized by him really do stay involved things could well start to change. I remain, hopeful, but then, Clav, that is the fundamental difference between you and me. And it shall ever be. We have already figured that out.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    I hope with every fiber of my being that you prove me wrong, Lisa. I remain unconvinced. Americans are a reactionary bunch, we don’t know how to be proactive. The Obama Mammas are reacting to the phenomenon that is Barack Obama. I see nothing of substance coming from him or McCain. It’s the same old tired speeches, issues and concerns every four years.

    Now for lack of being politically correct I submit that what makes Obama attractive most certainly has to do with race. We’re so weary of old white men and their antics that a person “of color” has captured our attention. But compare his speeches to those of Presidential candidates gone by. The words are pretty much the same. Lisa, unfortunately for us not all Americans are as astute and involved as you. We need more like you on both sides of the aisle who are willing to listen, debate and create an atmosphere of change. You believe that Barack Obama will deliver. Unless he gets Congress to do his bidding he’s just another impotent President who will fail.

  • Clavos

    Barack HAS energized the bottom…. he has gotten people involved. Yes, change does come from the bottom up and I think you may well see more of it…if the young people who are energized by him really do stay involved things could well start to change. I remain, hopeful….

    Well said, Pollyanna!

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    In my world energized bottoms can sometimes present problems.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Silas, that sounds…dirty.

    Love, Pollyanna.

  • Cindy D

    Could be that…or could be time for some metamucil.

  • Baronius

    I’m wondering if any of you have heard Biden speak. He’s arrogant and obnoxious. He’s politically radical, and prone to making crazy statements. He has the potential of messing up more royally than Palin. Actually, with Ifill mediating, Palin could screw up and still look like the third biggest fool on the stage.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Yup, heard Biden a lot. He can be arrogant but he’s smart. I prefer smart and arrogant, to really dumb and dumbfounded and almost unable to put an English sentence together and….. well,you know what I think of Palin.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Well, 25 minutes in to this debate and NEITHER of them deserve to be Vice President. That being said, after 30 minutes the point goes to Palin.

  • Cindy D

    What the fuck happened with gay rights?

    Biden makes a great start and then Biden flips from supporting gay rights to agreeing that gays shouldn’t have marriage rights.

    I guess there was a political line that has determined that most of us are basically anti-gay.

    Silas? Can I be on whatever side of the country that isn’t with “most” people? That is when you divide it up. I am looking forward to that division of the country Silas. Don’t disappoint me!

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Works for me, Cindy! So, judging by how flustered Joe Biden is, Sarah Palin is executing well.

  • Cindy D

    They were wrong when they told Biden to be polite.

    He should run over to her podium and put her in a choke hold. This would appeal to at least two large demographics A ) educated people and B) pro wrestling fans.

    Likely the hockeymoms are all married to the pro-wrestling fans and then it would be all sewn up for Obama.

  • Brad Laidman

    I didn’t like what she had to say and she did some end runs around the things that she didn’t want to talk about, but it certainly wasn’t a train wreck – oh well

    Her avoidance of McCain’s unwillingness to regulate wall street, while she blamed wall street and promised to keep government out of things was pretty odd though.

    I’ve been on Wall Street for years – it’s a Republican orgy

  • bliffle

    I think Biden made a better impression. He was sharper on the issues, with more and better data and he put it into perspective.

    Palin came across, to me, as a sort of automaton, just repeating her Maverick pitch and a few other familiar talking points.

    Biden killed when he almost broke up discussing his family. His family reference, though very brief, was much more effective than Palins repetitious momism.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Wall Street a Republican orgy? Do your homework, friend. Wall Street lobbyists distribute the wealth equally between the parties. The Democrats will have you believe that Wall Street is a decidedly Republican place. Do your homework. Follow the money trail. Look at Joe Biden’s record in relation to MBNA, Capital One and other financial outfits. Wall Street plays both sides of the aisle by paying off both sides of the aisle.

    Comprehensive election finance reform is the only answer to stopping lobbyists dead in their tracks. It means a couple of hundred fat cats from K Street will be out of a job, but who cares? Like it or not, America, Sarah Palin is the only candidate among the 4 who has a slight clue about what it’s like for the Middle Class. That doesn’t mean she deserves our vote, just the recognition.

  • Cindy D

    So, I take it you disagree with my chokehold strategy?

    g,night :-)

  • Doug Hunter

    Yeah, she either doesn’t think well on her feet or she has a bit of fright at the size of the stage she’s on. There was a torturous bit of rambling on a few of the questions. When she didn’t understand she just went back to her energy script.

    The regulations question really wasn’t that hard to deflect and I’m very surprised her handlers didn’t prepare her for it. The bankruptcy one caught her totally off guard. Again, nothing difficult for any amateur political junkie to opine about but obviously foreign to her.

    Pretty bad performance by Palin in my opinion. Almost bad enough to keep me home on election day. Certainly bad enough to put me in a foul mood.

  • Cindy D

    That was intended for bliffle, please see my post at “Is a Bailout Necessary” for an adequate reply to your post Silas.

    I don’t expect it to count against me when you are dividing up the country.

  • Baronius

    Didn’t watch much of it. I get so caught up in the facts that I can never get a good impression of how the debates are perceived. Ever notice that? Political people (like most of us) always talk about the lies the other side got away with. Our candidate should have pushed harder; their candidate’s not telling the truth. You’ll rarely get good analysis of a debate from a partisan.

  • denise

    The one VP candidate needed to realize there are other states besides Alaska, or is that all that candidate really knows? I wondered how this candidate was able to know what went on in the Senate when SHE was not a participant in the Senate, obviously prompted. I personally felt like I watched a mom scolding without KNOWING both sides of the story.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    There was only one thing in this whole debate that mattered to me. I didn’t hear it because I didn’t hear the debate, but it was reported to me by e-mail.

    Sarah Palin supports a “two-state solution” in my neighborhood. That means she supports an Arab terror state and kicking me and all of my neighbors here in Ma’alé Levoná, Elí, Shiló etc. out of our homes. So, McCain is no different than Obama, and Palin is no different than Biden.

    So far as I’m concerned, they are all the same trash and belong in the same trash bin, but the best choice for me will be the more obvious of the Jew-haters – Obama.

    My mind is finally made up.

    That does not mean that there will necessarily be an election, of course….

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    I liked how she kept repeating the oxymoronic phrase “team of mavericks.”

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    She held her own, mostly because she didn’t answer any questions she didn’t want to or couldn’t. She had notes. She had talking points. She was folksy and inaccurate. Biden and Obama support gay rights but decided not to push the gay marriage thing during the election…not to worry, Silas…. it will get done.

    She didn’t implode. But I agree with the NYT. She has nowhere near the experience to be veep. She was coached well, she was clearly nervous as hell and got through it. But she gave up all she had. That was it. She’s done.

  • Doug Hunter

    “Biden and Obama support gay rights but decided not to push the gay marriage thing during the election”

    In other words, they lied to get votes. Any means to an end when it’s your team I suppose. When Republicans lie to get votes I bet it makes you a bit more angry.

  • Clavos

    Ya think, Doug?

    Hypocrisy in Dems???

    “Say it ain’t so, Joe!”

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “In other words, they lied to get votes.”

    When did they ever say they were for gay marriage? All I have ever heard from them is civil unions, but I haven’t heard everything they have said. Got a link or are you not allowing the facts to get in the way of a zinger? Say it ain’t so, fellas.

  • Clavos

    Here’s an interesting analysis, by J Peter Freire, Managing Editor of The American Spectator, not only of Palin’s performance last night in the debate, but of the Couric “interview” as well.

    In his column, Mr. Freire notes:

    SOMETIMES elites can favor the citizen-politician or the common man image. Thomas Jefferson certainly did, as did Andrew Jackson. When politicians run for office, they go out of their way to show us how they’re just one of us. Jon Grinspan, in an article in the October issue, discusses how William Henry Harrison defeated Martin Van Buren by deploying hard cider to the masses to show just how down to earth he could be.

    It’s puzzling to see, however, that the moment a person does walk onto the stage with that genuine, down-to-earth flair, she’s dismissed as gimmicky and stupid. This is probably because those speaking to her haven’t really tried to talk to someone like her in years. Katie Couric, who is a sort of common fun girly-girl caught up in this thing called a news show, reveals that sensibility when she shrinks from every opportunity to challenge Joe Biden.

    When you interview such a person, obviously you don’t do so with a feather duster for a microphone. But if you’re really after the measure of the man (so to speak), you don’t look to nail her on foreign policy stuff that no reasonable person would expect her to know as an Alaskan governor. Would you do that with Bill Clinton in 1992? Would you flunk him if he didn’t have as firm a grasp? One looking for a better sense would ask about past experiences, and allow the audience to glean from the candidate’s past judgment what that candidate might do in the future. Interviews have become an absurd exercise in careerist gotcha moments — they serve more of a political purpose than they do give voters an opportunity to flesh out the views of a candidate.

    Admitting he’s no fan of Couric, Mr. Freire makes a number of interesting points about her grilling of Palin vis-a-vis Palin’s performances in less structured venues such as the debate. He suggests the McCain staffers have been overhandling Palin, and that she should be allowed much more of a free rein in her appearances, both public and with the press.

    Freire concludes with, “Last night’s debate showed that McCain made a solid choice, one who shares a characteristic of his. She’s at her most interesting when she’s in a fight.”

  • Brad Laidman

    The American Spectator? Really? You might as well read the National Enquirer.

    The truth is that Palin’s down to earth routine is as manufactured as any other politician – it’s a strategic act.

    Couric hardly grilled Palin – she merely asked her for specifics and she couldn’t come up with any.

    The notion that this is a bias from elites is absurd.

    Those elites are big bad and awful – how dare they actually expect her to answer a question beyond her initial talking points.

  • Baronius

    The Couric interview was an obvious trap, and I can’t believe that the McCain team walked into it. Couric is a perky morning-show host who’s tanking as a news anchor. She’s desperate for respect. And she’s a female, which means she can go after a female without looking like a playground bully. Of course she was going to make Palin look bad. They should have scheduled with an overrated guy, like Stephanopoulos.

  • http://marksaleski.com Mark Saleski

    which means she can go after a female without looking like a playground bully.

    yes, asking which periodicals she reads. that’s some tough talk right there.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    If she can be outsmarted by Katie Couric, I don’t have much hope she can deal with Putin or any of the bad guys in the world.

    What makes Palin look bad is when she goes off her rehearsed talking points and has to back up something she said.

  • Clavos

    The American Spectator? Really? You might as well read the National Enquirer.

    Or, I could really scrape the bottom and start quoting the NYT.

    The truth is that Palin’s down to earth routine is as manufactured as any other politician – it’s a strategic act.

    Perhaps. And what’s really bugging all the Dems is that it’s working — with the middle class – -the very demographic they so crave, but can never quite capture.

    Couric hardly grilled Palin – she merely asked her for specifics and she couldn’t come up with any.

    I watched it. It was, as Freire notes, a childish exercise in “gotcha” quizzing of “specifics” not relevant to her abilities. It was not an interview.

    The notion that this is a bias from elites is absurd.

    You’re right. Though certainly biased, Couric is definitely not an elite, even in the narrow (and quite base) spectrum of television “journalism.” Indeed, one wonders why she continues to be Peter Principled in her current job.

  • http://marksaleski.com Mark Saleski

    gotcha quizzing?

    where does she go for news?

    what supreme court decisions has she disagreed with?

    opinion on the bailout scenario?

    maybe she’s been overcoached or whatever, but the inability to deal with those gotcha questions is troubling.

    come on, it’s not like she asked her about heisenberg’s uncertainty principle or something.

  • http://www.morethings.com/log Al Barger

    So are you feeling less gleeful today after Sister Sarah cleaned Biden’s clock?

    While we’re on the Biden vs Palin topic, the double and triple standards are just stupid. You make a big point of quoting the Couric interview where Palin refused to conjure up a list of her specific news sources. Whoop-te-frickin-do!

    Yet on the other hand the plagiarizing gaffe machine says ignorant crap day after day, and it’s all good. What was that he said a couple of weeks ago as the financial meltdown was kicking in? Something like that when the market crashed in 1929, FDR went on television to assure people that he was taking charge and doing something. Note that FDR wasn’t president, and we didn’t have television. Yeah, there’s the “smart” one.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “a childish exercise in “gotcha” quizzing of “specifics” not relevant to her abilities.”

    Actually it was relevant because you don’t get to run around saying McCain is for regulation then cry foul when asked for an example and you fail to have one.

    Palin did better than people expected, but she cleaned no one’s clock. Can you point to a poll other than the one on Drudge that agrees with that statement?

    “where Palin refused to conjure up a list of her specific news sources.”

    She didn’t refuse. If she refused, she wouldn’t have said “any of them, all of them.” She just couldn’t do it.

    Biden’s 1929 comment was ridiculous, but I would prefer he get something like that wrong then not knowing Spain is an ally.

  • Franco

    She has nowhere near the experience to be veep. She was coached well, she was clearly nervous as hell and got through it. But she gave up all she had. That was it. She’s done.

    I don’t see Palin being done at all. I see her just getting started.

    Biden has 36 years experience in both the front and back rooms in DC and in conducting debates on the national stage. Palin has 6 years working up through State government to governor with just 5 weeks in debates on the national stage. Biden should have been able to show her the door, and couldn’t do it.

    In fact, Biden was even a bit taken with her during the debate. But Biden did his job for his guy the best he could, even thought Biden once stated Obama did not have the experiance to be President. But Biden hammered away in the debate and he is no push over. Guess what…neither is Palin

    Palin is anything but inexperienced in government and has already made her mark as an agent of change. A mark that stands right now as high and any mark on the walls in DC, busting up big oils hold on politices in Alaska. She is smart as a whip, and makes no apologias while she looks you right in the eye which is exactly what she did as governor taking on and braking up big oil, and to boot she throw members of her own party in jail over it.

    Ya right, she’s only good when being scripted.

    Need you be reminded that actions speak louder then words. She is engaged in actions, not words. I put my money on action.

    In their early life achievements, Couric and Palin both gained public attention. Couric was a petite peppy pretty cheerleader on the side lines yelling for her team, while Palin got in the game kicking ass and taking names.

    In their later carries, pretty peppy Couric is still on the sidelines yelling for her team albit devoting her efforts to keeping her head above water from the never-ending nightmare is constantly displaying the definition of the Peter Principle. While Palin becomes govenor of the largest state in the union and kicks ass and takes that names of big oil. A job clearly not over her head.

    Couric is the kid, not Palin. And as far as what news sources Palin reads, I am sure it is not Couric’s. But after finding out how to kick big oils ass, I’d like to subscribe to what ever it is. Maybe this is why Couric wanted to know.

    You say she is too ‘folksy” and too main street for office in DC. I say I hope she not only gets to DC, but it becomes infectious because it is real. Are we afaid of real?

    I also wager that Teddy Roosevelt, Will Rodgers was Mark Twain would fully agree tha folksy is real, and they were not afaid of it. You can also count on the fact that tens of millions of Americans agree too. It is a hell of a lot clearer and more positive and friendly and humble then the elite who complain about it.

    So you say she shoots moose and wolves, and can even shin them no less. I’ll bet she can serve a hell of a mean moose roast with potatoes and gravy too. But what on the green earth is disqualifying about that?

    Pray tell you were ever caught and trapped in a snowstorm or other similar natural disaster without someone like her. She would be like having a medic for food at your side. Your criticizing her for having these skills only exposes (1) you’re own depth of inadequacy, and (2) it makes the absurd assertion that it’s only OK if someone else kills what you eat for you, and this better qualifies you for office in DC.

    Oh my God, keep her out of DC……say all the mousses and wolves.

  • Franco

    El Bicho, be honest, do you really believer McCain dose not know Spain is an ally?

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    Franco, be honest, should McCain be held to a different standard than Biden? These people are on the go 24/7 and are talking almost more than they are thinking, so it’s surprising there aren’t more inconsequential screw-ups. I am not the one who raised the issue.

  • Franco

    El Bicho, excellent point on all accounts. Excuse the cross up.

  • Doug Hunter

    “When did they ever say they were for gay marriage?”- El Bicho

    I was responding to what someone on your team indicated (that Obama Biden were for it but not pushing it during the election). I really don’t have much concern for that issue except that gays should be allowed to adopt, have equal legal rights, etc. so I don’t know where the candidates stand. If they aren’t lying then their positions are very similiar to the Republican candidates.

  • Cindy D

    El Bicho has a team?

  • Cindy D

    I bet they’re not a “team of mavericks”!

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Biden and Obama support gay rights but decided not to push the gay marriage thing during the election

    It’s empty rhetoric. Obama and Biden pander to the LGBT community but won’t afford the right for two people of the same sex to have a marriage contract. The religious right loves to parse words, especially ‘marriage’. What most on the right fail to realize is that the majority of the “silent” LGBT community is closer in political thought to conservatism than liberalism. We want government out of our lives. We want a government that governs but does not dictate.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Ruvy, I’ve followed your links and I must admit I am intrigued by these prophetic words. I can’t see how G.W. Bush could actually postpone an election without soliciting a violent reaction from rank and file America. Remember, Ruvy, we maintain the right to bear arms and in this case they would be in hand as Americans on both sides of the aisle would march on Washington in a manner that would make the Battle of Antietam look like another episode of the Mickey Mouse Club. Americans have had it with politics and the status quo. A postponement of the election would facilitate such a revolt.

  • Baronius

    Silas is right. Rudy Giuliani tried to delay the NYC election in late 2001. He proposed it for the best of reasons, in the worst of times. The city turned on him like a crazed Doberman. I can’t imagine how awful things would have to be for Bush to be allowed to delay this election.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    I’m back.

    Other than the complete disappearance of all money from the face of the earth, what’d I miss?

  • Cindy D
  • Baronius

    Huh. I only fit in 7 of those categories. No frat guy, log cabin, or moderate.

  • Clavos

    Noticed your absence, Doc. Whither?

  • Cindy D

    Baronius,

    You have me wondering now. Perhaps there are really only 4 types of Republicans.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    To me there are only two kinds of Republicans:

    1. Those who use Mrs. Butterworth Syrup.

    2. Those who use Log Cabin Syrup.

    Vermont Maid users are Independents and, well, I won’t even touch the fourth brand.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “I was responding to what someone on your team indicated”

    First, Lisa and I aren’t on any team together as far as I know. Second, why respond with calling someone a liar when you don’t even know the issue, so look before you leap. People can be for civil unions and against gay marriage.

    “You make a big point of quoting the Couric interview where Palin refused to conjure up a list of her specific news sources. Whoop-te-frickin-do!”

    Apparently, it was a big deal because she offered those answers this morning in her Fox interview.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Wotcher, Clav.

    Vacation in Peru. Haven’t seen an English-language newspaper in more than two weeks, so I’m a little behind the curve.

    As in the US, Peruvian politics appears to be terminally weird and inward-looking, but even Lima takes careful note of events on Wall Street.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    “If this debate is even considered a tie, Hilary Clinton is replacing him on that ticket in about as much time as it takes for Barack to find her speed dial extension on his cell phone.”

    The former happened. The latter didn’t.

    “If Palin goes out there and kicks Biden’s ass, that’s like the Cubs winning the World Series.”

    Well, the Cubs are in the playoffs…

    “You’ll be telling your grandkids about it!”

    70 million people watched Sarah Palin debate the well-known master-debater Joe Biden to a draw. Yes, grandchildren will be informed.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Ah, yes, vice-presidential debates. That well-known source of grandparental reminiscence.

    I well remember listening, enthralled, at my grandfather’s feet as he shared his memories of that unforgettable Curtis-Robinson debate of 1928…

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    Doc,

    Google “Dan Quayle” and “1988.” Or “James Stockdale” and “1992.”

  • Brad Laidman

    Yeah, I admit it – I was hoping for the train wreck – just from an entertainment standpoint

    I also admit that she was smart and guileful enough to halt the feeding frenzy of YouTube videos

    However she didn’t do it by wowing us with her intelligence – she did it with a carefully marketed plan to appear likable – and a dogged determination not to answer questions that she didn’t want to answer –

    Did you really watch that debate and feel that she could have survived intense questioning?

    Instead she reminded us 100 times that she knows about the Alaskan energy market and that John McCain is a maverick

    I underestimated how easy it was to game a debate with such a silly structure

    Nevertheless, one person sat there and answered questions substantively the other strategically answered what she wanted to

    If you hate everything Biden said – if you think that he misrepresented stuff – well, I’m open to that

    Read the transcript of the debate – Biden pressed her for instances of John McCain ever regulating anything – maybe twelve times and the moderator tried to steer her there at least twice – and she flat out said – I’m not going to answer that and instead fell back to that old dodge “I love american – don’t you – I bet you want to raise their taxes”

    There are smart Republicans out there with valid ideas who can substantively discuss the issues of the day – she clearly isn’t one of them

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Silas,

    Ruvy, I’ve followed your links and I must admit I am intrigued by these prophetic words.

    Now, let me explain some of the ironies of life. I grew up in Willimsburg, Brooklyn, in a neighborhood that was 49% Satmar Hassidim, 49% Puerto Rican, and 2% everybody else.

    I never liked the Satmar Hassidim as a young man – they considered me a goy; I never liked the Puerto Ricans – they considered me a Jew to be picked on.

    This site that fascinates you is not a Purto Rican web-site – there just isn’t enough jíbaro phraseology. This is a site run by a Satmar Hassid woman in the States, presumably, New York.

    I mention this because the messianic messages encouraging aliya to Israel are coming from people who have no use for Zionism or for the Israeli state, the progeny of Zionism. So when they say “move to Israel” they must think the messiah is about to arrive. So
    when they say “move to Israel”, I pay attention.

    A lot of the message they put out is standard “repent in time” stuff that Christians hear all the time, but of course reflecting our law and customs. But when these guys say “repent in time”, saying that time is short, it works a number on me. I understand the theological implications of the arrival of the messiah very well – a lot better than most Jews.

    And when I see all the other stuff, the financial instability, the huge numbers of ships readying for war in the Middle East, even a dummy like me can figure out that something is going on.

    So, I’m not just “fascinated” by what I read.

    I can’t see how G.W. Bush could actually postpone an election without soliciting a violent reaction from rank and file America.

    I realize that this sounds “out there”. It isn’t my prediction. But, Gush Qatif was “out there” – the war on Iraq was “out there”, the attack on the World Trade Center, Pentagon and attempted attack on the White House was certainly “out there”. The financial problems the States are facing, while a foreseeable consequence of irresponsible deficit spending, are also certainly “out there” as well.

    So an American government risking a violent reaction by Americans to something that makes the elections meaningless is not as far-fetched as it may seem. Ironically, the only person who would really lose would be Governor Palin….

    More ironies. Gives you an idea of what the Big Guy Upstairs is like and what He likes, eh?

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Comparing Sarah Palin with Teddy Roosevelt, Will Rogers or Mark Twain is absurd. I would bet that Palin has never read a word by any of them, unless she was forced to read some Twain in high school. BEING folksy and SOUNDING folksy are two different things, Franco. Those men were smart thinkers, serious intellectuals who made good common sense, too. Palin drops her “gs” at the end of her words, uses silly phrases that people think are folksy and people find her natural and earthy and not elite (again, as if elite is a bad thing?). I heard a commentator say the other day: “Can’t you just hear a parent crying ‘Where have I gone wrong?’ when his son graduates from Harvard?”
    C’mon, guys….. even middle American isn’t going to fall for fake folksiness….. and if they are, G-d help them.

    By the way, Roosevelt graduated from Harvard, Rogers dropped out of school after the tenth grade and regretted it but TRAVELLED AROUND THE WORLD THREE TIMES, and Samuel Clemens’s schooling was less than formal but he had the burning urge to be a writer and studied that. Again, he traveled the US, and with his, obviously brilliant mind, collected the kind of information that would turn up in his classic works of fiction.

    NONE of these men’s education, ambition, drive or inate intelligence in any way resembles Sarah Palin’s peripatetic college career where she attended 5 colleges in 4 years, eventually had a journalism “major” but never wrote for any college paper, then briefly worked as a sportscaster (but professed a love for journalism even though she could not mention a single paper she read regularly). NONE of these men, with their humor and their articulateness, their ability to write, think and speak, can even, in their worse moments be compared in any way to Sarah Palin.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Indeed, Ruvy. I don’t discount the existence of God at all, quite the contrary. It only stands to reason that there be an advanced life form above humanity. I’m just trying to reconcile that which is the Divine Message as opposed to that which has been manufactured to control the masses. The Supreme Being reveals Himself (or Herself) every second of every day. But to believe that God has imposed a set of stringent rules by which we all are to live seems contrary to the teachings of Christ and other great Prophets. Whatever the Ultimate Divine Plan may be, I hope that humanity has advanced to such a degree that we can finally rise above cultural and religious barriers to a point where there can be peaceful, positive coexistence.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Silas,

    to believe that God has imposed a set of stringent rules by which we all are to live seems contrary to the teachings of Christ and other great Prophets.

    To repeat: for the vast majority of mankind, the only rules that apply are the Seven Noahide Laws. The 613 commandments that I am bound by do not bind you or others who are not Children of Israel. Seven commandments, not ten, and they are not all that hard to follow, if you really want to.

    Once you knock the idea of the divinity of Jesus out of the box, you and I do not disagree on a whole lot of things theologically. But, given that you are a New Englander, this is an example of how the Noahide Laws might affect you.

    You would not be allowed to boil lobsters alive. you could kill them, and then boil them and eat them, but boiling them alive goes against the 7th Noahide Law of humane treatment of animals. The fact that they are not kosher and forbidden to the Children of Israel is irrelevant and unimportant, as you are not one of us.

    Whatever the Ultimate Divine Plan may be, I hope that humanity has advanced to such a degree that we can finally rise above cultural and religious barriers to a point where there can be peaceful, positive coexistence.

    One of the features of messianic redemption, as described in Jewish literature, is the destruction of the evil inclination. My own personal view is that this is primarily materialism and exploitation of others on the one hand, and dishonoring other people on the other. So, after the wars of the messiah, and after G-d has judged humanity, the remnant, will not engage in either, and despite differences and disagreements, will rise above the cultural and religious barriers to coesixt peacefully. It is my opinion (and I have to emphasize that I am no scholar of any kind in Jewish law) that the latter verses of Isaiah deal largely with this.

  • Irene Wagner

    I never liked watching lobsters being boiled alive.
    I’d always volunteer for the job of melting the butter and squeezing lemon juice into it.

    You were in the restaurant ‘biz for awhile, Ruvy, and maybe you could answer this. Now that I’ve gotten totally in the mood for lobster, could you please recommend a way of killing a crustacean that’s more humane than boiling it?

  • Franco

    #74 Lisa Solod Warren

    I was thinking of it in another way, so you missed my point.

    I was only alluding to her county way of speaking at times in making association with these others who did much of that themselves and they were elite’s. My assertion was only that they would identify with her words and not make fun of them like the elite’s of today.

    It appears to me that it is only the elite making a negative point out how she chooses her words or phrases at times.

    Palin doing this does not bother me. I have worked and lived in various parts of the US and Canada and there are distinct word fraises and accents. Especially in BC and the Yukon that are similar to Palin’s.

    “Palin drops her “gs” at the end of her words, uses silly phrases that people think are folksy and people find her natural and earthy and not elite (again, as if elite is a bad thing?)

    Only if making a point out of it as a disqualifying feature. Which is what I hear you doing.

    C’mon, guys….. even middle American isn’t going to fall for fake folksiness….. and if they are, G-d help them.

    You call it fake folksiness. Well, here again, I don’t think it’s fake for resons I stated above. But you have full right to your opinion, and you seem hell bent on making a mountain out of a mole hill claiming it is, so knock yourself out.

    Care to comment on anything else I assert in post #51?

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Irene, I always drive a sharp pointed knife in between the eyes of a lobster before dropping it into boiling water. I fold up the tail and hold tight while putting in the knife. To me this is far more humane. If I’m broiling or stuffing and baking, I usually just cut down the center, clean it out, stuff it and off to the oven it goes without boiling. Hope that helps and complies with Ruvy’s methods (if any).

    Thanks, Ruvy, for your earlier reply. I live about 6 miles from where the Salem witchcraft trials were held and this month is the horrible month. I’m sure the Fundamentalists will be in town soon to start screaming for additional burnings at the stake.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    I think people who go to a seafood restaurant and pick a live lobster out of a tank, knowing that the poor creature is to be boiled alive and then served to them as dinner in a matter of minutes, are pretty damn cruel. And I’m no PETA member.

    If you live out in the woods and are hungry, and so you shoot a deer and kill it quickly and cleanly, that’s one thing. People have to eat, and we aren’t hard-wired to be vegans, so we need some meat.

    But if you’re just some rich guy who’s trying to impress a date by taking her out to a fancy, expensive restaurant and then choosing to kill a helpless creature in a thoroughly horrific manner for a meal that isn’t even all that filling … well, I just can’t really relate. I’d rather eat a cheese-and-mustard sandwich in a park and talk to the gal while experiencing some of Mother Nature’s goodness. And if that doesn’t impress her, then I guess I’m not much impressed, either.

    Perhaps that’s why I’m still single? :-/

  • Colin

    Salvador Dali, I believe, kept pet lobsters which he would walk on leads, like dogs.

    I think Salvador would enjoy your crazy election too – that Palin choice is extraordinary, but, I think it might well work. (Please note, I’m British, in Britain, and have no vote etc, etc, and quite possibly should butt out, but I’m just opining for what it’s worth.)

    Has no-one thought that many, many, people would like a politician who is one of them?

    Anyway, take care. . .

  • Ruvy

    Irene,

    I sold Whopper sandwiches for a living. I am as much a chef as I am a rocket scientist. Any method that kills the lobster that is humanitarian and relatively painless will probably do the job.

    Your question would be good for a Noahide mashgiaH – a person charged with seeing to it that the killing of animals is done in a humane fashion, and that the blood is drained from cattle and the other more sentient creatures killed. Unfortunately, such a person does not exist – yet.

    When I get home, I can raise this question on a Noahide list I belong to, and see if I get any answers.

  • Irene Wagner

    The family pet is a cat, Colin, I doubt they’d get along. But if we DID put the lobster on a leash, its claws clipped with rubber bands, and let kitty’s hunting instinct take over…I think the problem’s solved, Ruvy. It might even be a solution RJ Eliot could live with.

    No one killed animals for food before the fall, Ruvy. I wonder if it will be like that during the Messianic Age. Hmm. But until then, Silas, I think your method of preparing lobster seems like the most workable.

    But I’m SORRY, SO SORRY for getting off topic! I suppose I should really be talking about how to roast VENISON on this thread!

  • Ruvy

    Actually, Irene, the appropriate topic here is to discuss MOOSE recipes. For non-Jews, the only reauirement that Noahide laws place on them is that the moose be killed humanely, and that the blood be drained from it before cooking…..