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These are serious times. The economy, the cultural civil war, the two real wars and the seemingly endless list of franchise opportunities that lay on the horizon – all immensely serious topics.

But be honest. Like me, you’re dying to see the Vice Presidential debate between Joe Biden and Sarah Palin, and it’s not because of Joe Biden. Nothing of substance is going to come out of that debate. It won’t provide any great answers to our country’s future, but admit it; we’re not missing that thing for the world.

The Republicans have had Sarah Palin guarded closer than Fort Knox, and yet gold like the following comes out every day:

Couric: And when it comes to establishing your worldview, I was curious, what newspapers and magazines did you regularly read before you were tapped for this to stay informed and to understand the world?

Palin: I've read most of them, again with a great appreciation for the press, for the media.

Couric: What, specifically?

Palin: Um, all of them, any of them that have been in front of me all these years.

Couric: Can you name a few?

Palin: I have a vast variety of sources where we get our news, too. Alaska isn't a foreign country, where it's kind of suggested, "Wow, how could you keep in touch with what the rest of Washington, D.C., may be thinking when you live up there in Alaska?" Believe me, Alaska is like a microcosm of America.

Wow. She couldn’t come up with one. Even Dan Quayle would have been able say, “Katie I make sure that I’ve read the entire Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, and New York Times before breakfast every day.” He’d be lying, but he would have been able to do it.Just how bad should I feel that I’m looking forward to the next Tina Fey sketch where she just echoes Palin word for word, more than I am the resolution of the subprime mortgage crisis? How can I spend time reading about our progress in Iraq, when I’m busy watching clips of Matt Damon comparing her candidacy to a really bad Disney movie where mom saves the world?

Then there was this gaffe that Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy made with host Chuck Todd when they thought their mikes were off.

Mike Murphy: You know, because I come out of the blue swing state governor world: Engler, Whitman, Tommy Thompson, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush. I mean, these guys — this is how you win a Texas race, just run it up. And it's not gonna work. And –

Peggy Noonan: It's over.

MM: Still McCain can give a version of the Lieberman speech to do himself some good.

Chuck Todd: I also think the Palin pick is insulting to Kay Bailey Hutchinson, too.

PN: Saw Kay this morning.

CT: Yeah, she's never looked comfortable about this –

MM: They're all bummed out.

CT: Yeah, I mean is she really the most qualified woman they could have turned to?

PN: The most qualified? No! I think they went for this — excuse me — political bullshit about narratives –

CT: Yeah they went to a narrative.

MM: I totally agree.

PN: Every time the Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it.

MM: You know what's really the worst thing about it? The greatness of McCain is no cynicism, and this is cynical.

CT: This is cynical, and as you called it, gimmicky.

MM: Yeah.

Those are Republicans! Honestly, I'm not trying to be partisan – I'd like to be, but I'm too busy following the carnival. Am I on Punk''d – where's Ashton?
For my money, when it comes to Palin, James Carville is the guy that you can’t afford to miss. Is there a conservative female pundit alive that he hasn’t been seen opposite on one talk show or another?

Here’s a brief summary of every show Carville has been on for the past week.

Conservative Female Pundit or Politician: She is an incredibly smart, tough woman with executive experience. I find your opposition to her sexist and demeaning to women.

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  • Franco

    She has nowhere near the experience to be veep. She was coached well, she was clearly nervous as hell and got through it. But she gave up all she had. That was it. She’s done.

    I don’t see Palin being done at all. I see her just getting started.

    Biden has 36 years experience in both the front and back rooms in DC and in conducting debates on the national stage. Palin has 6 years working up through State government to governor with just 5 weeks in debates on the national stage. Biden should have been able to show her the door, and couldn’t do it.

    In fact, Biden was even a bit taken with her during the debate. But Biden did his job for his guy the best he could, even thought Biden once stated Obama did not have the experiance to be President. But Biden hammered away in the debate and he is no push over. Guess what…neither is Palin

    Palin is anything but inexperienced in government and has already made her mark as an agent of change. A mark that stands right now as high and any mark on the walls in DC, busting up big oils hold on politices in Alaska. She is smart as a whip, and makes no apologias while she looks you right in the eye which is exactly what she did as governor taking on and braking up big oil, and to boot she throw members of her own party in jail over it.

    Ya right, she’s only good when being scripted.

    Need you be reminded that actions speak louder then words. She is engaged in actions, not words. I put my money on action.

    In their early life achievements, Couric and Palin both gained public attention. Couric was a petite peppy pretty cheerleader on the side lines yelling for her team, while Palin got in the game kicking ass and taking names.

    In their later carries, pretty peppy Couric is still on the sidelines yelling for her team albit devoting her efforts to keeping her head above water from the never-ending nightmare is constantly displaying the definition of the Peter Principle. While Palin becomes govenor of the largest state in the union and kicks ass and takes that names of big oil. A job clearly not over her head.

    Couric is the kid, not Palin. And as far as what news sources Palin reads, I am sure it is not Couric’s. But after finding out how to kick big oils ass, I’d like to subscribe to what ever it is. Maybe this is why Couric wanted to know.

    You say she is too ‘folksy” and too main street for office in DC. I say I hope she not only gets to DC, but it becomes infectious because it is real. Are we afaid of real?

    I also wager that Teddy Roosevelt, Will Rodgers was Mark Twain would fully agree tha folksy is real, and they were not afaid of it. You can also count on the fact that tens of millions of Americans agree too. It is a hell of a lot clearer and more positive and friendly and humble then the elite who complain about it.

    So you say she shoots moose and wolves, and can even shin them no less. I’ll bet she can serve a hell of a mean moose roast with potatoes and gravy too. But what on the green earth is disqualifying about that?

    Pray tell you were ever caught and trapped in a snowstorm or other similar natural disaster without someone like her. She would be like having a medic for food at your side. Your criticizing her for having these skills only exposes (1) you’re own depth of inadequacy, and (2) it makes the absurd assertion that it’s only OK if someone else kills what you eat for you, and this better qualifies you for office in DC.

    Oh my God, keep her out of DC……say all the mousses and wolves.

  • Franco

    El Bicho, be honest, do you really believer McCain dose not know Spain is an ally?

  • El Bicho

    Franco, be honest, should McCain be held to a different standard than Biden? These people are on the go 24/7 and are talking almost more than they are thinking, so it’s surprising there aren’t more inconsequential screw-ups. I am not the one who raised the issue.

  • Franco

    El Bicho, excellent point on all accounts. Excuse the cross up.

  • Doug Hunter

    “When did they ever say they were for gay marriage?”- El Bicho

    I was responding to what someone on your team indicated (that Obama Biden were for it but not pushing it during the election). I really don’t have much concern for that issue except that gays should be allowed to adopt, have equal legal rights, etc. so I don’t know where the candidates stand. If they aren’t lying then their positions are very similiar to the Republican candidates.

  • Cindy D

    El Bicho has a team?

  • Cindy D

    I bet they’re not a “team of mavericks”!

  • Silas Kain

    Biden and Obama support gay rights but decided not to push the gay marriage thing during the election

    It’s empty rhetoric. Obama and Biden pander to the LGBT community but won’t afford the right for two people of the same sex to have a marriage contract. The religious right loves to parse words, especially ‘marriage’. What most on the right fail to realize is that the majority of the “silent” LGBT community is closer in political thought to conservatism than liberalism. We want government out of our lives. We want a government that governs but does not dictate.

  • Silas Kain

    Ruvy, I’ve followed your links and I must admit I am intrigued by these prophetic words. I can’t see how G.W. Bush could actually postpone an election without soliciting a violent reaction from rank and file America. Remember, Ruvy, we maintain the right to bear arms and in this case they would be in hand as Americans on both sides of the aisle would march on Washington in a manner that would make the Battle of Antietam look like another episode of the Mickey Mouse Club. Americans have had it with politics and the status quo. A postponement of the election would facilitate such a revolt.

  • Baronius

    Silas is right. Rudy Giuliani tried to delay the NYC election in late 2001. He proposed it for the best of reasons, in the worst of times. The city turned on him like a crazed Doberman. I can’t imagine how awful things would have to be for Bush to be allowed to delay this election.

  • Dr Dreadful

    I’m back.

    Other than the complete disappearance of all money from the face of the earth, what’d I miss?

  • Cindy D
  • Baronius

    Huh. I only fit in 7 of those categories. No frat guy, log cabin, or moderate.

  • Clavos

    Noticed your absence, Doc. Whither?

  • Cindy D


    You have me wondering now. Perhaps there are really only 4 types of Republicans.

  • Silas Kain

    To me there are only two kinds of Republicans:

    1. Those who use Mrs. Butterworth Syrup.

    2. Those who use Log Cabin Syrup.

    Vermont Maid users are Independents and, well, I won’t even touch the fourth brand.

  • El Bicho

    “I was responding to what someone on your team indicated”

    First, Lisa and I aren’t on any team together as far as I know. Second, why respond with calling someone a liar when you don’t even know the issue, so look before you leap. People can be for civil unions and against gay marriage.

    “You make a big point of quoting the Couric interview where Palin refused to conjure up a list of her specific news sources. Whoop-te-frickin-do!”

    Apparently, it was a big deal because she offered those answers this morning in her Fox interview.

  • Dr Dreadful

    Wotcher, Clav.

    Vacation in Peru. Haven’t seen an English-language newspaper in more than two weeks, so I’m a little behind the curve.

    As in the US, Peruvian politics appears to be terminally weird and inward-looking, but even Lima takes careful note of events on Wall Street.

  • RJ Elliott

    “If this debate is even considered a tie, Hilary Clinton is replacing him on that ticket in about as much time as it takes for Barack to find her speed dial extension on his cell phone.”

    The former happened. The latter didn’t.

    “If Palin goes out there and kicks Biden’s ass, that’s like the Cubs winning the World Series.”

    Well, the Cubs are in the playoffs…

    “You’ll be telling your grandkids about it!”

    70 million people watched Sarah Palin debate the well-known master-debater Joe Biden to a draw. Yes, grandchildren will be informed.

  • Dr Dreadful

    Ah, yes, vice-presidential debates. That well-known source of grandparental reminiscence.

    I well remember listening, enthralled, at my grandfather’s feet as he shared his memories of that unforgettable Curtis-Robinson debate of 1928…

  • RJ Elliott


    Google “Dan Quayle” and “1988.” Or “James Stockdale” and “1992.”

  • Brad Laidman

    Yeah, I admit it – I was hoping for the train wreck – just from an entertainment standpoint

    I also admit that she was smart and guileful enough to halt the feeding frenzy of YouTube videos

    However she didn’t do it by wowing us with her intelligence – she did it with a carefully marketed plan to appear likable – and a dogged determination not to answer questions that she didn’t want to answer -

    Did you really watch that debate and feel that she could have survived intense questioning?

    Instead she reminded us 100 times that she knows about the Alaskan energy market and that John McCain is a maverick

    I underestimated how easy it was to game a debate with such a silly structure

    Nevertheless, one person sat there and answered questions substantively the other strategically answered what she wanted to

    If you hate everything Biden said – if you think that he misrepresented stuff – well, I’m open to that

    Read the transcript of the debate – Biden pressed her for instances of John McCain ever regulating anything – maybe twelve times and the moderator tried to steer her there at least twice – and she flat out said – I’m not going to answer that and instead fell back to that old dodge “I love american – don’t you – I bet you want to raise their taxes”

    There are smart Republicans out there with valid ideas who can substantively discuss the issues of the day – she clearly isn’t one of them

  • Ruvy


    Ruvy, I’ve followed your links and I must admit I am intrigued by these prophetic words.

    Now, let me explain some of the ironies of life. I grew up in Willimsburg, Brooklyn, in a neighborhood that was 49% Satmar Hassidim, 49% Puerto Rican, and 2% everybody else.

    I never liked the Satmar Hassidim as a young man – they considered me a goy; I never liked the Puerto Ricans – they considered me a Jew to be picked on.

    This site that fascinates you is not a Purto Rican web-site – there just isn’t enough jíbaro phraseology. This is a site run by a Satmar Hassid woman in the States, presumably, New York.

    I mention this because the messianic messages encouraging aliya to Israel are coming from people who have no use for Zionism or for the Israeli state, the progeny of Zionism. So when they say “move to Israel” they must think the messiah is about to arrive. So
    when they say “move to Israel”, I pay attention.

    A lot of the message they put out is standard “repent in time” stuff that Christians hear all the time, but of course reflecting our law and customs. But when these guys say “repent in time”, saying that time is short, it works a number on me. I understand the theological implications of the arrival of the messiah very well – a lot better than most Jews.

    And when I see all the other stuff, the financial instability, the huge numbers of ships readying for war in the Middle East, even a dummy like me can figure out that something is going on.

    So, I’m not just “fascinated” by what I read.

    I can’t see how G.W. Bush could actually postpone an election without soliciting a violent reaction from rank and file America.

    I realize that this sounds “out there”. It isn’t my prediction. But, Gush Qatif was “out there” – the war on Iraq was “out there”, the attack on the World Trade Center, Pentagon and attempted attack on the White House was certainly “out there”. The financial problems the States are facing, while a foreseeable consequence of irresponsible deficit spending, are also certainly “out there” as well.

    So an American government risking a violent reaction by Americans to something that makes the elections meaningless is not as far-fetched as it may seem. Ironically, the only person who would really lose would be Governor Palin….

    More ironies. Gives you an idea of what the Big Guy Upstairs is like and what He likes, eh?

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Comparing Sarah Palin with Teddy Roosevelt, Will Rogers or Mark Twain is absurd. I would bet that Palin has never read a word by any of them, unless she was forced to read some Twain in high school. BEING folksy and SOUNDING folksy are two different things, Franco. Those men were smart thinkers, serious intellectuals who made good common sense, too. Palin drops her “gs” at the end of her words, uses silly phrases that people think are folksy and people find her natural and earthy and not elite (again, as if elite is a bad thing?). I heard a commentator say the other day: “Can’t you just hear a parent crying ‘Where have I gone wrong?’ when his son graduates from Harvard?”
    C’mon, guys….. even middle American isn’t going to fall for fake folksiness….. and if they are, G-d help them.

    By the way, Roosevelt graduated from Harvard, Rogers dropped out of school after the tenth grade and regretted it but TRAVELLED AROUND THE WORLD THREE TIMES, and Samuel Clemens’s schooling was less than formal but he had the burning urge to be a writer and studied that. Again, he traveled the US, and with his, obviously brilliant mind, collected the kind of information that would turn up in his classic works of fiction.

    NONE of these men’s education, ambition, drive or inate intelligence in any way resembles Sarah Palin’s peripatetic college career where she attended 5 colleges in 4 years, eventually had a journalism “major” but never wrote for any college paper, then briefly worked as a sportscaster (but professed a love for journalism even though she could not mention a single paper she read regularly). NONE of these men, with their humor and their articulateness, their ability to write, think and speak, can even, in their worse moments be compared in any way to Sarah Palin.

  • Silas Kain

    Indeed, Ruvy. I don’t discount the existence of God at all, quite the contrary. It only stands to reason that there be an advanced life form above humanity. I’m just trying to reconcile that which is the Divine Message as opposed to that which has been manufactured to control the masses. The Supreme Being reveals Himself (or Herself) every second of every day. But to believe that God has imposed a set of stringent rules by which we all are to live seems contrary to the teachings of Christ and other great Prophets. Whatever the Ultimate Divine Plan may be, I hope that humanity has advanced to such a degree that we can finally rise above cultural and religious barriers to a point where there can be peaceful, positive coexistence.

  • Ruvy


    to believe that God has imposed a set of stringent rules by which we all are to live seems contrary to the teachings of Christ and other great Prophets.

    To repeat: for the vast majority of mankind, the only rules that apply are the Seven Noahide Laws. The 613 commandments that I am bound by do not bind you or others who are not Children of Israel. Seven commandments, not ten, and they are not all that hard to follow, if you really want to.

    Once you knock the idea of the divinity of Jesus out of the box, you and I do not disagree on a whole lot of things theologically. But, given that you are a New Englander, this is an example of how the Noahide Laws might affect you.

    You would not be allowed to boil lobsters alive. you could kill them, and then boil them and eat them, but boiling them alive goes against the 7th Noahide Law of humane treatment of animals. The fact that they are not kosher and forbidden to the Children of Israel is irrelevant and unimportant, as you are not one of us.

    Whatever the Ultimate Divine Plan may be, I hope that humanity has advanced to such a degree that we can finally rise above cultural and religious barriers to a point where there can be peaceful, positive coexistence.

    One of the features of messianic redemption, as described in Jewish literature, is the destruction of the evil inclination. My own personal view is that this is primarily materialism and exploitation of others on the one hand, and dishonoring other people on the other. So, after the wars of the messiah, and after G-d has judged humanity, the remnant, will not engage in either, and despite differences and disagreements, will rise above the cultural and religious barriers to coesixt peacefully. It is my opinion (and I have to emphasize that I am no scholar of any kind in Jewish law) that the latter verses of Isaiah deal largely with this.

  • Irene Wagner

    I never liked watching lobsters being boiled alive.
    I’d always volunteer for the job of melting the butter and squeezing lemon juice into it.

    You were in the restaurant ‘biz for awhile, Ruvy, and maybe you could answer this. Now that I’ve gotten totally in the mood for lobster, could you please recommend a way of killing a crustacean that’s more humane than boiling it?

  • Franco

    #74 Lisa Solod Warren

    I was thinking of it in another way, so you missed my point.

    I was only alluding to her county way of speaking at times in making association with these others who did much of that themselves and they were elite’s. My assertion was only that they would identify with her words and not make fun of them like the elite’s of today.

    It appears to me that it is only the elite making a negative point out how she chooses her words or phrases at times.

    Palin doing this does not bother me. I have worked and lived in various parts of the US and Canada and there are distinct word fraises and accents. Especially in BC and the Yukon that are similar to Palin’s.

    “Palin drops her “gs” at the end of her words, uses silly phrases that people think are folksy and people find her natural and earthy and not elite (again, as if elite is a bad thing?)

    Only if making a point out of it as a disqualifying feature. Which is what I hear you doing.

    C’mon, guys….. even middle American isn’t going to fall for fake folksiness….. and if they are, G-d help them.

    You call it fake folksiness. Well, here again, I don’t think it’s fake for resons I stated above. But you have full right to your opinion, and you seem hell bent on making a mountain out of a mole hill claiming it is, so knock yourself out.

    Care to comment on anything else I assert in post #51?

  • Silas Kain

    Irene, I always drive a sharp pointed knife in between the eyes of a lobster before dropping it into boiling water. I fold up the tail and hold tight while putting in the knife. To me this is far more humane. If I’m broiling or stuffing and baking, I usually just cut down the center, clean it out, stuff it and off to the oven it goes without boiling. Hope that helps and complies with Ruvy’s methods (if any).

    Thanks, Ruvy, for your earlier reply. I live about 6 miles from where the Salem witchcraft trials were held and this month is the horrible month. I’m sure the Fundamentalists will be in town soon to start screaming for additional burnings at the stake.

  • RJ Elliott

    I think people who go to a seafood restaurant and pick a live lobster out of a tank, knowing that the poor creature is to be boiled alive and then served to them as dinner in a matter of minutes, are pretty damn cruel. And I’m no PETA member.

    If you live out in the woods and are hungry, and so you shoot a deer and kill it quickly and cleanly, that’s one thing. People have to eat, and we aren’t hard-wired to be vegans, so we need some meat.

    But if you’re just some rich guy who’s trying to impress a date by taking her out to a fancy, expensive restaurant and then choosing to kill a helpless creature in a thoroughly horrific manner for a meal that isn’t even all that filling … well, I just can’t really relate. I’d rather eat a cheese-and-mustard sandwich in a park and talk to the gal while experiencing some of Mother Nature’s goodness. And if that doesn’t impress her, then I guess I’m not much impressed, either.

    Perhaps that’s why I’m still single? :-/

  • Colin

    Salvador Dali, I believe, kept pet lobsters which he would walk on leads, like dogs.

    I think Salvador would enjoy your crazy election too – that Palin choice is extraordinary, but, I think it might well work. (Please note, I’m British, in Britain, and have no vote etc, etc, and quite possibly should butt out, but I’m just opining for what it’s worth.)

    Has no-one thought that many, many, people would like a politician who is one of them?

    Anyway, take care. . .

  • Ruvy


    I sold Whopper sandwiches for a living. I am as much a chef as I am a rocket scientist. Any method that kills the lobster that is humanitarian and relatively painless will probably do the job.

    Your question would be good for a Noahide mashgiaH – a person charged with seeing to it that the killing of animals is done in a humane fashion, and that the blood is drained from cattle and the other more sentient creatures killed. Unfortunately, such a person does not exist – yet.

    When I get home, I can raise this question on a Noahide list I belong to, and see if I get any answers.

  • Irene Wagner

    The family pet is a cat, Colin, I doubt they’d get along. But if we DID put the lobster on a leash, its claws clipped with rubber bands, and let kitty’s hunting instinct take over…I think the problem’s solved, Ruvy. It might even be a solution RJ Eliot could live with.

    No one killed animals for food before the fall, Ruvy. I wonder if it will be like that during the Messianic Age. Hmm. But until then, Silas, I think your method of preparing lobster seems like the most workable.

    But I’m SORRY, SO SORRY for getting off topic! I suppose I should really be talking about how to roast VENISON on this thread!

  • Ruvy

    Actually, Irene, the appropriate topic here is to discuss MOOSE recipes. For non-Jews, the only reauirement that Noahide laws place on them is that the moose be killed humanely, and that the blood be drained from it before cooking…..