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Over at the DailyKos the nomination of Sarah Palin as the Republican Vice Presidential candidate has them running scared. One of their ‘diarists’ suggests that the Palin selection will be as divisive for the GOP as the competition between Obama and Clinton was for the Democrats and that the media will immediately leap on the situation and play up the disgruntled outrage of VP also-rans like Pawlenty and Romney. ‘Chumley’ writes:

Just run the same exact story next week, and substitute the names “Mitt Romney” and “Tim Pawlenty” for “Hillary Clinton.” Make that THE big story of the convention: how the Republican party is divided into factions that loathe each other, and how that schism severely endangers John McCain’s chances of winning in November…Easy, right? And unlike the Clinton story, this one is mostly TRUE.”

And this is followed by over 800 enthusiastic comments about how the Republican party is going to fall apart as a result of the Palin nomination and how the media is going to go to town on the GOP or alternately how they will be lap dogs for the GOP and not follow up this vital story of division and dissension.

If the DailyKos is any measure, the left seems to have forgotten the vital maxim “know your enemy,” because they clearly have no idea what the impact of the Palin nomination is going to be on the GOP. There’s no question that McCain consulted with and smoothed the feathers of Romney (future Secretary of Commerce) and Pawlenty (future Secretary of the Interior). He’s an experienced politician and knows how to build bridges and build unity. They’ll be at the convention, cheering and making speeches and giving Palin and McCain manly and supportive embraces on the podium. There also isn’t going to be some sort of rebellion, because unlike Hillary Clinton, Pawlenty has no followers at all and Romney’s followers are pragmatic and not all that fanatical.

In defiance of the hopes of the left, Palin’s effect in uniting the Republican Party will be dramatic.

The only figure in the GOP with fanatical followers who want to disrupt the convention is Rep. Ron Paul who is holding an alternative anti-convention in Minneapolis next week to promote his Campaign for Liberty. It may be a commentary on dissension in the party that the organizers of Paul’s rally are now having to give away tickets on the internet. About 150 Paul supporters are delegates to the Republican convention and they have certainly planned some sort of disruption, but the Palin nomination takes a lot of the wind out of their sails, because she’s basically one of them. She subscribes to the same belief in small government and individual liberty and reforming the Republican party and government in general which has been Ron Paul’s main appeal. She’s Ron Paul in a dress without the crazy look in his eyes and uncomfortable connections to Lew Rockwell and the John Birch Society.

The response has been very positive on renegade republican websites. On The Daily Paul ‘Fountainhead’ wrote:

“This is an absolutely monster smart move by the McCain campaign, something big has happened at the RNC I mean this is a major stunning 360. The fingerprints of true conservative Republicans is on this decision make no mistake about it and there is nothing but very positive feedback coming from the alternative media.”

This reaction seems typical, with a lot of the more reasonable Paul supporters feeling that they have won a victory and perhaps are seeing McCain move back towards his more libertarian roots with the alliance with Palin. This may make a big difference in states like Nevada where large enough numbers of disgruntled Paul supporters to throw the election to the Democrats feel that they have been abused and excluded by party insiders.

Palin doesn’t just appeal to paleoconservative Ron Paul supporters. Her bonafides on key family values issues are strong enough that she will also draw the religious right back into the fold and reassure them that McCain isn’t such a bad guy. She’s a lifetime member of the NRA, strongly pro-life and has even advocated teaching the story of creation in public schools, though apparently not as part of the science curriculum. That’s enough to reassure the evangelical right that McCain isn’t as hostile to them as they have feared.

As for moderates and secularists, who are a significant presence within the GOP even if they don’t get much attention, Palin may be a fundamentalist Christian, but she appears to be one who exercises her religion rationally and with a relatively open mind, and knows how to separate issues of faith from matters of policy. For example, on the issue of teaching creation she made a fairly rational argument when she said:

“Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of information… Healthy debate is so important and it’s so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. And you know, I say this too as the daughter of a science teacher. Growing up with being so privileged and blessed to be given a lot of information on, on both sides of the subject — creationism and evolution. It’s been a healthy foundation for me. But don’t be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides.”

Given the need to pander a bit to the religious right, that is the kind of rational approach to a contentious issue which ought to provide at least some reassurance. Palin even seems to have won over the Log Cabin Republicans whose President, Patrick Sammon wrote in a press release:

“Alaska Governor Sarah Palin can help Sen. McCain win this election by appealing to independent and young voters. She’s a mainstream Republican who will unite the Party and serve John McCain well as Vice President. Gov. Palin is an inclusive Republican who will help Sen. McCain appeal to gay and lesbian voters.”

Palin’s record on gay rights issues is mixed, but she has expressed support for their interests and as governor her first veto was issued to protect the right of state employees to partnership benefits.

Perhaps the most powerful unifying factor is that putting Palin on the ticket substantially increases the chance of victory, and nothing is more unifying than the restoral of hope in a situation which may have looked desperate. The Palin selection is so politically astute that it restores everyone’s confidence in McCain’s leadership ability and his ability to delivery victory, and that is ultimately what it is all about in politics. All of these factions within the GOP may have different agendas, but the one thing they can all agree on is that none of them will achieve any of their goals if they don’t win in November.

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  • http://thinkfuture.com Chris Future

    Not sure if I would agree with your “Ron Paul in a dress” comment. But at the very least she is a fiscal conservative in a land of big spenders. Let’s see if she can maintain that all the way into Number One Observatory Circle, the White House and beyond.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    As VP Palin is in the unique position of having no legislative responsibility to speak of, except breaking ties in the Senate, so she ought to find it pretty easy to resist the lures of corruption which pressure others in Washington.

    Dave

  • Lee Richards

    And how is she extremely well-qualified to be president of the U.S.?

  • Lost_in_Samoa

    Lets face it.

    Mrs Palin may be a nice person and all but she is EYE CANDY, nothing more.

    Window dressing to try to make a sick, old, megalomaniac, power hungry, lying potential despot (read McCain) look good.

    She may be a fair leader and a life time member of the NRA, that is no compliment when you journal the performance of the NRA in protecting your rights over the last 20 years, but what is her performance as a fiscal reformer?

    Does she even understand the giant Ponzi scheme fraud that our current monetary system is?

    I think not.

    Let her spend a month with Congressman Paul learning the truth about this nation ……

    who its REAL leaders … no not the face puppets (mccain – obama – hillary – biden – etc) that are paraded in front of the media

    Let her publicly swear on the head of her children that she will work ceaselessly to return this nation back to the republic it once was. Put control back into the hands of the people who make it great.

    Let her do these works, undaunted, for decades.

    Then I might just believe her. And vote for her.

    I will never vote for McCain. With or without her.

    John McCain’s father covered up the Liberty Incident.

    John McCain himself was part of the Keating savings and loan scandal.

    John McCain killed and buried every attempt to re patriot Viet Nam POW’s

    John McCain killed free speech in our election process with his partner Feingold.

    John McCain wants to dissolve our borders and allow millions of law breaking illegal immigrants to become permanent residents, He wants to encourage millions more to swarm over our unprotected borders.

    People WAKE UP. These candidates and this election is SCRIPTED!

    Its like WWF wrestling but without the good guys.

    1.) Turn off the TV. It rots your brain.

    2.) Save your money. Your gonna need it!

    3.) Store water, food, medicines, and weapons. Your REALLY gonna need these things.

    4.) READ, RESEARCH, And THINK for yourselves.

    5.) Actively, forcefully participate in your local – state – federal election processes.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    I’m just curious to know what bar in Minneapolis Paul expects to hold his anti-convention. I’ll tell my brother-in-law to stop by and check their liquor license….

    Actually, I agree with Lost_in_Samoa that your election is about as honest as a $3 bill. But I have no admiration for Paul at all.

  • Clavos

    Let her spend a month with Congressman Paul learning the truth about this nation ……

    Her short, but commendably eventful, political history clearly shows she already understands how the country works better than Ron Paul ever will.

    For starters, she’s already held a higher and more responsible office (Governor) than Paul…

  • Zedd

    Hey all,

    The guy who drives the ice cream truck is pretty good and counting change. Are you thinking what I’m thinking, Secretary of the Treasury (he may not have his green card but boy can he add). Another winner!!

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Paul’s 20 years in Congress without a single passed piece of legislation to his name probably earns him a spot in the record book if nothing else.

    Samoan – I’m ignoring you, you’re just another Paultard troll.

    Zedd. Critical thinking. Try it sometime. Constant reactive defensiveness is so futile.

    Dave

  • Zedd

    Hey all,

    Maybe Palin can be Secretary of Labor too. She is soooooo over qualified in so many areas. All them babies!

  • http://ex-conservative.blogspot.com Glenn Contrarian

    John McCain is trying a “Lara Croft Gambit”

    She’s pretty, smart, tough, uses guns, hunts, skins, and eats her prey.

    Anyone familiar with the ‘Tomb Raider’ series should recognize her immediately. The series was so successful because it depicts a wonderfully-endowed grrl who kills lots of animals and bad guys in lots of different interesting ways, and takes no guff from anyone.

    Seems to me that there are some men out there who will be attracted to girls like that. If I were much younger, perhaps I would be, too. BUT in the games, Lara Croft didn’t have to lead a nuclear-armed nation, heal a broken economy, make nice with people we don’t like…she didn’t have to be a PRESIDENT.

    No one in their right mind would want “Tomb Raider’s” Lara Croft as president. For the same reason, we should not want Sarah Palin as VP.

  • http://ex-conservative.blogspot.com Glenn Contrarian

    Shucks –

    I thought I would be the first one to see the similarity between Sarah Palin and Lara Croft. I wasn’t – all anyone has to do is google the two.

    GOT to be faster on the draw next time….

  • Zedd

    Glenn,

    I missed the Laura Croft movie where she leaves her mentally challenged new born to pursue her career.

  • Zedd

    Dave

    “Zedd. Critical thinking. Try it sometime. Constant reactive defensiveness is so futile.”

    Forget it. It’s over. We think nowadays. Using my criticism of you and trying desperately to flip it, is sad, lazy and frankly outdated. Pull your pants up, go put on a disco shirt, gold chain, tight polyester pants and spend the night boogying. Both you and Rove were obviously repressed outcasts “in your day”. Wasn’t fun was it. This is America you can do whatever you want to do Dave. Re-invent yourself. Get out there! Re-live your looser days as a cool, hip, cat. Awe… Your ridiculous, flatly “maniacal” attempts at mind bending turned out to be sad and kinda embarrassing. Hug?

    The Reps are sucking. It’s bad. Save your pride and admit it. It’s better that way champ!

  • Lee Richards

    And what in her resume makes her highly qualified to be president of the U.S., leader of the free world, commander-in-chief, defender against terrorism, mastermind of the economy, education reformer, etc., etc.?

    Oh, I forgot–she’s hot.

    And don’t give me Obama’s lack of experience. At least he fought his way to the top, and was the choice of millions of voters. She was picked by a lone, evidently confused, old man to be a heart-beat away from the Oval Office.

  • Zedd

    “She was picked by a lone, old man”

    Who met her only once before.

    I am disturbed by this “hot mom” of 5 with a mentally retarded infant who is galavanting all over the nation running for office. Is it me?? Some of us temper our loftier career goals for healthy OLDER children let alone a new born with mental development issues. Where’s the outcry from the family values lovin “it’s all for the children” soccer moms.

  • Lee Richards

    And how interesting “Palin Unites the GOP.”
    Not Bush, McCain(who so recently used to be the leader of the party)or any other GOP stalwart, but the 2-year Gov. of Alaska is the only one up to the job of bringing the GOP together for victory.

    Why isn’t she(“The Uniter”)the nominee for president? Maybe the convention can ditch him and pick her!!!

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    And how interesting “Palin Unites the GOP.”

    That’s right, Lee. The race is between Obama and Palin – If the Republicans ride into the White House in November, it will be McCain and the rest of them hangin’ on to her skirt.

    I hope they don’t pull it down in the process!

  • LittleOrby

    I love the Lame Logic of some; like: “Oh No! She’s going to abandon a ‘special needs’ child to further her career,” or “Oh No! She has no experience . . .,” Listen Pal(s), take your whacks at her. She’s a STRONG person, who will endure. She’ll make a fine vp., and a finer president after McCain’s first term.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    It seems to me that the incredibly hostile almost insane response coming from the left is a clear indication that Palin is a great choice for VP. That alone vindicates her.

    As for her baby Tig, a Downs baby doesn’t actually have special needs relative to a any other baby, and Downs children often grow up to a very high level of self-sufficiency.

    She takes the baby with her everywhere and as VP she will certainly be able to afford nanny care as needed. Or perhaps her teenage daughter can help out. You know, families do that kind of thing in the red states.

    Dave

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    Dave, as someone who wrote a quite ridiculous fantasy of an article on the Joe Biden choice as VP candidate, you should know whereof you speak concerning ‘insane’ and ‘over the top.’

    But to use comments from the blogosphere as generally representative of either the left or right is surely something you know better than to do. Except of course, when it serves your own rhetorical purposes.

    Which, when it comes to elections and especially to the Democrats, are purposes of apparently endless, shameless distortion and unfounded accusation.

  • Lee Richards

    Dave has dubbed her a “miraculous” selection and uniter(savior?)of the GOP, but questions about her qualifications are “insane”, so his objectivity–and credibility–is nil.

    His fervor for her, however, is evangelical, based on faith and revelation, so I expect he’ll be quoting prophecy soon.

  • Lost_in_Samoa

    Name calling? I would have thought that to be beneath you. But if you are shilling for McCain then I guess not much would be beneath you. Now would it?

    You Dave are just another cowboy herding all of us sheep into the chute to be sheared, AGAIN.

    Yup, I’m a Paultard. I’m a Paultard with plenty of time on my hands because I gave up TV 10 years ago.

    I learned that the news that is presented is manipulative and in most cases just plain untrue.

    I’m a Paultard with money to burn, because I see the puppet strings in our monetary system and I have learned how to work around the scams that keep you down.

    I’m a Paultard with a year’s worth of food and water stashed back. So natural or unnatural disasters do not really frighten me anymore.

    I’m a Paultard with weapons, combat experience, and the will to use them. I am prepared to defend myself.

    You, your a bought and paid for cheerleader for a failing system.

    A literary prostitute turning tricks for your next loan payment.

    Sorry I digress, But back to the point of this all.

    Palin no more “unites” the GOP than McCain does.

    I am sure that she is a nice person. But it is obvious that McCain chose her because he felt his campaign needed some window dressing.

    And seen in that light, She is a weak and ineffectual apology for years of bad management, failed policies, repudiated promises, and outright lies.

    And no matter how much the GOP choir (you)snort praises, the party is fractured, and the schism is growing.

    My earlier points deserve to be reiterated.

    John McCain’s father covered up the Liberty Incident.

    John McCain himself was part of the Keating savings and loan scandal.

    John McCain killed and buried every attempt to re patriot Viet Nam POW’s

    John McCain killed free speech in our election process with his partner Feingold.

    John McCain wants to dissolve our borders and allow millions of law breaking illegal immigrants to become permanent residents, He wants to encourage millions more to swarm over our unprotected borders.

    Is this the man who you want to represent you?

    People WAKE UP. It’s all a big show to hide the fact that we as a nation are bankrupt, living off the generosity of our enemies.

    1.) Turn off the TV. It rots your brain.

    2.) Save your money. Your gonna need it!

    3.) Store water, food, medicines, and weapons. Your REALLY gonna need these things.

    4.) READ, RESEARCH, And THINK for yourselves.

    5.) Actively, forcefully participate in your local – state – federal election processes.

    Thanks for your time.

  • Zedd

    Dave,

    “It seems to me that the incredibly hostile almost insane response coming from the left is a clear indication that Palin is a great choice for VP.”

    As usual, you missed it. People are angry because it seems as if the Republicans are playing around with our lives. Their lack of awareness regarding the extent of decline that they have cause with their ill-considered juvenile human chess games is the reason for the anger Dave. Republicans have caused a decline in our quality of life; have put us in peril internationally; have brought on disrespect and animosity towards us from the rest of the world. They have put us in a war that is unwindable; have pushed for jobs to leave our shores while telling us that we simply need to go back to school while school loans diminish. Americans are loosing their homes and their dream is quickly becoming a nightmare. We are sick and too scared to tell anyone else we will be tagged with the “pre-existing illness lable”. This is not the America of our dreams this is another land. Not one that our parents wanted for us and not one that we work hard everyday to sustain. With all of that, they dare select a beauty contestant and gun toter when we are dismissed and thought to be vacuous and gun happy by even our best allies because they think we will go all a flutter because we the simple masses are gaga about women this season.

    The Independents and Democrats are angry because Republicans DON’T GET IT. You are missing it Dave and taking us all down with you. Republican greed for personal gain has cost this great nation. It’s obvious that McCain didn’t select Palin because he thinks she will benefit America. It’s because he thinks that she will attract the dummies that even he doesn’t agree with, to vote for HIM. What an American hero.

  • Clavos

    Woo Hoo, this is fun, watching all you sinister types (sinister means left, in Latin) get positively apoplectic over the Babe.

    That alone, the entertainment value, makes McCain’s move sheer genius.

    Laiser les bons temps roulez!

  • Pablo

    Lost_in Samoa,

    I concur wholeheartedly with your above post sir, particularly in reference to Dave.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Samoa, you’re repeating yourself – verging on spam. A common practice when Paultards feel they’re being ignored.

    And Zedd, you’re delusional. Most of the ‘common americans’ are looking for something to save them from the oppression which the leftist elite has planned for them. They are looking to the GOP for hope and rescue, because the truth is that Republicans represent the average American who cannot identify with the leftist elite or survive the socialist agenda for the nation.

    Dave

  • Clavos

    rouler

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Les bon temps aren’t going to be roulering ever again, I’m afraid. It looks like Gustav is going to hit New Orleans as a Category 5, which means the city will cease to exist to the point where there will be no justification for rebuilding it.

    I’ve got evacuees in my pool house and the spare bedroom and they’re depleting the vital supplies of food which Samoa told me I had to lay in.

    Dave

  • Lost_in_Samoa

    Dave,

    Of course I’m repeating myself.

    What else is there to do when you stick your fingers into your ears and go LA LA LA LA LA LA ….. I can’t hear you …. LA LA LA LA!

    You call it spam. I call it trying to break through your BS.

    Listen Dave,

    McCain is deeply flawed.

    A very large part of this nation (Republicrat, Democan, Independents, Libertarian, Frisbee-tarian, Budist, Celtic, and the “All praise Ouchy the Clown” cult) does not like , trust, or respect him.

    He has proven himself to be a liar and profiteer on too many documented occasions. He has no concern or regard for the people of this nation. To him we are livestock. Consumers. Revenue streams. Nothing more.

    He has no understanding of the financial crisis facing this nation. He has no will to address the issue much less take the basic steps to fix the problems.

    If each state GOP party had followed the electoral rules as laid out in their charter’s, then McCain would not be the GOP nominee for president.

    The fact that there were so man shenanigans in the electoral process should throw up red flags for all to see.

    Was he selected by us, or FOR us?

    And Mrs Palin as nice as she can be does not change these facts.

    For your information I consider Mr. Obama to just as bad as McCain is.

    I’m interested to see if Mr. Obama is really an American citizen or and Indonesian one. You know Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship.

    It’s all a show. It’s all a game. McCain is the right hand and Obama is the left. And in the middle is the HUGE money interests that enslave you, me, and our children, and their children.

    YOU HEARING ME NOW DAVE?

  • Clavos

    According to the 8PM EDT advisory from the National Hurricane Center here in Miami, while Gustav is expected to reach Cat 5 intensity as it traverses the Gulf (within 24 hrs, in fact), it is expected to drop back to Cat 4 by landfall.

    That’s small consolation to those in its path, however. I have been in both Cat 4 and Cat 5 storms; unless you’re measuring with instruments, the difference is undetectable.

    Any wind speeds over 130 mph (top of Cat 3) are horrendous.

  • Clavos

    A very large part of this nation (Republicrat, Democan, Independents, Libertarian, Frisbee-tarian, Budist, Celtic, and the “All praise Ouchy the Clown” cult) does not like , trust, or respect him…

    …For your information I consider Mr. Obama to just as bad as McCain is.

    Ah.

    Well then, that would explain why they’re so close in the polls.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    No, Samoa. I don’t have time to waste on silliness and paranoid bullshit.

    Clav, according to the Orland Sentinel Gustav is leaving Cuba as a Cat 5. Since the winds usually increase as hurricanes go over the warm water of the Gulf we might be looking at 200mph winds when it hits New Orleans.

    Dave

  • Lost_in_Samoa

    Clavos,

    You cannot have Bread and Circuses unless the contest is close. You have to keep the sheeple entertained. On the edge of their seats in fact.

    They might develop the ability of critical, informed thought. And that would be disastrous to the real Money players that control our body politic.

    You might find the works of Edward Louis Bernays an interesting and informative read.

  • Lost_in_Samoa

    I smell ignorance of the issues, which is causing fear of public embarrassment on your part, thinly disguised as indifference.

    Come on debate some issues with me.

    Let’s start with foreign policy.

    Or

    Economic policy?

    Your a “pundit”, supposedly a man in the know.

    How about a little free and open debate?

  • Clavos

    The Orlando Sentinel (and all media) get their info from the NHC. The NHC, of course, can’t control what any medium publishes, but they are the ultimate source to which even The Weather Channel, etc. turn, which is why I go by their info, especially when they’re headed my way.

    They will put out a new bulletin here at 2300 EDT.

    If you know something about tropical cyclones, click on “discussion” it’s far more detailed than the Public advisory.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Samoa, if you want to debate an issue other than the Sarah Palin nomination take it to a post on that topic.

    I have no reason to believe that you won’t just spew the same ridiculous paranoid garbage as the rest of the Paultards. That being the case I refer you to my site IdiotWars.com where you can feel free to post on the topics nearest and dearest to your heart.

    The reason that I’m disinclined to debate you is that I’ve done the dance before and it’s a waste of time to debate people who subscribe to a delusional perception of reality. For a debate to be meaningful both parties need to start from a basis in reality and fact.

    Dave

  • Lost_in_samoa

    We can debate the issue of Mrs Palin’s nomenation as VP.

    My first question, What in her short time on this earth leads you to believe she is qualified to be one heartbeat away from the presidency?

    On further thought, I have no reason to believe that you capable of engaging in an honest debate.

    After all you are a paid proponent of a demonstratively corrupt governmental system.

    I understand You’re just DOING YOUR JOB. Just turning tricks for the man. And to hell with was all us great unwashed masses think.

    I’ll watch this thread for a day or so. You want to really discuss what’s going on in the world, fine.

    But be advised I’m weaned off of the mind numbing pap that you routinely serve up.

    I’ll come prepared with facts, figures, and documentation to prove that my “paranoid garbage” has already bitten you in your complacent butt.

    Good luck with Gustav. I live in a cyclone alley and I know they are NO fun.

    Cheers

  • http://www.parodieslost.typepad.com Mark Schannon

    Dave, Dave, Dave, I lift myself from my lethargy to ask, “have you lost your mind?” Palin???

    With experience as hockey mom, mayor of town of 4,000 people and 3,000 marmardukes, governor for less than 2 years of the 47th or 48th populous state in the union…with so much oil money sloshing around that they give it away to their citizens, a part time legislature, and her flip flopping on the all-important bridge to nowhere (or heaven, depending on your POV.) And no one’s mentioned yet that she’s a secret agent in the pay of the Lithuanian secret service!!!

    Plus, she’s John (Uh oh, my face is falling off) McCain’s 3rd beauty queen. Now there’s something that stirs one’s loins. If you can’t vote for them…oh well, you get the point.

    Barak (Oy vey, what big ears you have) Obama spent 18 months battling his way to the top. Putin (or whatever her name is) has had such memorable quotes as, “What’s the VP do day to day?” and “I don’t think much about Iraq.” Her kid’s going there to get his balls blown off, and she doesn’t think much about it.

    She’s a joke, a brilliant one-day move by John (Cindy, you’re a cunt) McCain to steal what Pat Buchannan said was the most brilliant acceptance speech in history. And she’s under investigation for abuse of power…but why would that upset the Bushies an Bushettes?

    Gimme a break. When is someone going to finally say, “The ex-failed beauty queen ain’t got no clothes to wear.” Putin as Prez? I’d rather have Ron Paul.

    Curmudgeon at Large
    In Jameson Veritas

  • Zedd

    Clav,

    You mean you have waisted all of this time on these boards for all of these years and you have no serious concern about politics. You dare yack on about “the babe” (with the Downs Syndrome infant that she is leaving to go after her dreams) when our country is in the worst condition it has been in a long time. You really don’t care about politics. You are obviously here because you are lonely. Sad really.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    I think I hear the Jameson talking, Mark, though it’s nice you stopped in for a visit.

    Qualifications be damned. When Obama got nominated that requirement was out the door forever. Ethics too for that matter. I’ve never seen anyone involved in so many ethically questionable relationships in such a paltry political career before.

    And as I said before, Palin is more qualified than Abe Lincoln or John F. Kennedy or Andrew Jackson and they seemed to be up to the job when it came to them.

    The ethics investigation is piffle. It’s a revenge campaign from the old-line porkmeisters Dan Young and Ted “Bridge to Nowhere” Stevens and their cronies in state government. There was no investigation planned until Palin requested the AG look into the situation to clear her of the accusations.

    As for her comments about the vice presidency, let me share some other comments about the job.

    “The vice-presidency isn’t worth a pitcher of warm piss” – VP John Nance Garner

    “[The Vice Presidency] is the most insignificant office that ever the invention of man contrived or his imagination conceived.” – VP John Adams

    “A little over a week ago, I took a rather unusual step for a vice president…I said something.” – VP Spiro T. Agnew

    “Look at all the Vice Presidents in history. Where are they? They were about as useful as a cow’s fifth teat.” – VP Harry S. Truman

    “The Vice Presidency is a most honorable office, but for a young man there is not much to do.” – VP Theodore Roosevelt

    So what Palin said about the Vice Presidency echoes almost exactly the opinions of most other Vice Presidents, including three who went on to become among our greatest Presidents. She’s in pretty damned good company.

    Dave

  • Lost_in_samoa

    So What are you saying there Dave?

    We should embrace unqualified people for office?

    Encourage appearance over function?

    Snuggle the walking photo op? (well that’s not a bad idea on one level)

    Hey wait a second …. you may be on to something there.

    I mean we have struggled and fought and wasted so much time, money, and heart electing a bunch of unqualified, larcenous, perverted, inept, apathetic, self serving bozo’s to run this country.

    And for what?

    Tangled up in a war with and aboriginal enemy that has never in the history of human kind been beaten on his own turf. On one front. Afghanistan.

    Mired in a guerrilla fight in the cities of one of our misguided satellite pseudo-colonies with virtually no hope of a cessation of hostilities. On another front. Iraq.

    Looking at starting yet another front in a neighboring nation. A three front war? isn’t called being surrounded? Iran.

    Borrowing tens of billions of dollars a day from an avowed enemy just to finance all of this.

    I mean a situation like that could not have been arrived at accidentally. We are talking major, heart stopping, bone grinding HUBRIS.

    We surely could get better leadership results by

    Uhmmmmm…………

    Playing eeny meeeny miny mo?

    Drawing straws?

    Flipping a coin?

    Spin the bottle?

    How about a lottery? Everyone in the nation enters. Every elected position is drawn for. Every four years.

    I truly believe that we as a nation would be better governed if every elected official was chosen at random.

    Sweep away all of those little kingdoms of power.

    Hell…. anything would be better than the choices we have been presented with in recent decades.

    So maybe your right. Let the soccer mom be VP.

    Lost_in_Samoa

  • Pablo

    Lost_in_Samoa,

    Dave does not debate period. What he does is to first bait you, with some typical right wing bullshit, then when you disagree with him, he will then start to belittle you, as in being a condescending snob, he quite frankly for the most part does not know what he is talking about.

    As you can plainly see from the dialogue here what has happened Samoa, he invariably gets ruder and ruder, then his side kick Clavos will come in with some 2 liner, always trying to back Dave’s right wing narrow minded viewpoints. Sure he will take an issue like drug laws, and his opposition to them to act as if he is really for liberty, and discussion, but he is not, I know better than anyone on this forum about his style, as I engage him frequently and for the most part only get back name calling. It is his forte.

    So good luck debating him, I guarantee you that he will continue to be rude and condscending, thats the only way he knows how to communicate to anyone with a differing viewpoint than his own.

    I do like your writing Samoa, but take a word from the wise, dont take any shit from him, and call him on it.

    Just my two sense worth Davey boy, and side kick Clavy.

  • http://www.parodieslost.typepad.com Mark Schannon

    Pablo, sorry to disagree, but I’ve been arguing with ol’ Dave for a long time, but he’s never been rude or condescending…just annoyingly data crazed.

    And Dave, I’ll have you know that Jameson wasn’t in any way responsible for my post. It was Bushmills…so I made a mistake…kill me.

    Love the quotes about VP, but at least they knew what the office was about. And you’d like someone one more cancer attack from the Prezidenzy to have some idea about Iraq other than we’re fighting a stupid war there.

    Forget experience. Sure, Obama’s lack of experience should give people pause. Just like Lincoln’s, Truman’s, Kennedy’s, Reagan’s, Carter’s, Clinton’s, and ol Bushed his-self. Think about judgment and the anvil of media scrutiny. Like him or not, ol’ Jug Ears has endured 18 months of intense and virulent attacks and has emerged as someone about whom one can at least make a reasoned decision–assuming people make reasoned decisions.

    Putin, on the other hand, is going to undergo one debate, kid glove treatment from the Dems (unless they’re smart enough to unleash the dogs of non-affiliated Obamaites) and the media, and will take office, should the worst happen, with absolutely no idea of what the Prezidenzy is, let alone the U.S.

    And look at the lame elephant bleatings about her: she understands foreign policy because Alaska’s next to Russia; she’s a hockey mom so she understands competition; she was head of a national guard (which is controlled by the Feds who don’t even bother to let her know what’s going on) so she understands the military…good grief, man, she’s a complete joke.

    Except…she’s got the elephant right dancing in the streets…except for those for whom dancing is a sin.

    Stop it, Dave. I expect better from you. So there. Neener, neener, neener.

    Curmudgeon-At-Large
    In Jameson Veritas

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Mark, I’ve been a Palin supporter since before she was even being considered for the job. She’s got what it takes to be a major political leader, and I’d rather have her get her training at the national level as VP than see Obama getting that training as president.

    McCain isn’t going to die. His mom is 97 and still going strong. Hell, he could leave his next outbreaks of skin cancer untreated and he’d last 4 years before they killed him. He may retire after 4 years, but by then Palin ought to be ready to take over.

    Yes, some of the arguments for her are lame. But no lamer than the arguments for Obama and no lamer than the arguments being raised against her.

    I know you can be objective. LOOK at his record. As a legislator he’s been undistinguished and his experience beyond that is utterly worthless. You’re more qualified than he is and so am I.

    And remember the point of my earlier comment. Her comment about the Vice Presidency was meant humorously, obviously. Like anyone else sensible she realizes that the VP slot is mostly window dressing and not to be taken terribly seriously.

    Dave

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    It looks like Gustav is going to hit New Orleans as a Category 5, which means the city will cease to exist to the point where there will be no justification for rebuilding it.

    Maybe you remember that article I wrote about Hurricane Katrina a while back? I distinctly remember telling Clavos that I did not believe New Orleans would rise as a city again. If the weather service and you are both right, I too, will be proven right.

    And just so that you can enjoy how a Jew seeking Redemption views this storm and its twin, Hanna, I give you America’s Perfect Storm.

    And I once walked through a hurricane as a kid in New York. If you don’t know any better, they are not so bad. At ten, I didn’t know any better….

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Mark!

    Nice to see your comments again! Will we have to wait another six months for the next spate? By the way, this Irish lady I know is coming to Israel next year and bringing in some Bushmills – just what my ticker needs, you know….

  • Clavos

    Actually, Ruvy, As of the latest NHC bulletin (5PM EDT), Gustav is presently a Cat 3, but expected to strengthen to a low Cat 4 by landfall, about 50 miles west of NOLA. Or not — that’s the nature of weather (especially hurricane) forecasting.

    Still, as I mentioned on another thread, having been through both a Cat 5 and a Cat 4, I can tell you there’s not much difference to be felt between 155mph (top cat 4) and 175, or even 200. Anything above 125 is pretty horrendous.

    In NOLA’s case, however, it’s the water that’s deadly.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Not to rain on the author of your linked blog’s parade, Ruvy, but Tropical Storm Hanna has not ‘joined’ Gustav and is not ‘lined up’ with it ‘like planes coming in to land’. Gustav tracked south of Hispaniola and Cuba before deciding to head for the Gulf Coast to see what it could find there, and Hanna is approaching the Bahamas on a path that has taken it well to the north of the Caribbean. It is not following Gustav into the Gulf and is, in fact, currently forecast to swan off up Florida’s Atlantic coast and to remain a tropical storm, at least for now.

    As Clavos cautions, things can change, and Gustav looks as if it is going to be bad enough; but at the moment Hanna looks just as likely to peter out into a wet fart as to strengthen into a meteorological apocalypse.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    It looks like it’s not Hanna that’s going to be the serious follow up to Gustav. Tropical depression 10 looks like it’s shaping up to be the nasty one when it comes over here in a week or two.

    Dave

  • Joel

    Zedd: I am disturbed by this “hot mom” of 5 with a mentally retarded infant who is galavanting all over the nation running for office

    She can’t help it that she had a liberal baby.

  • http://www.parodieslost.typepad.com Mark Schannon

    Ruvy, how you doing, my friend. I’m doing a lot better but I still can’t seem to write or handle anything terribly complex…hush the rest of you that I never could.

    But at least I can post comments now & again. And tell that Irish lass to bring you Middletons…or at least Jameson.

    Dave, there’s no question that Obama’s creds are somewhat thin, but I won’t go through that list of Prez’s again with similar lack of experience. And while I share some concerns about him, he’s not only withstood and overcome constant blasting from all sides, he’s put together one of the most impressive campaign organizations ever. Given the options, I support him & hope he’s as good as he seems.

    As for Putin, other than having a liberal baby (great one, Joel) and being against everything I believe in, she’s a hottie, alright!

    Curmudgeon-At-Large
    In Jameson Veritas

  • Cannonshop

    She can’t help it that she had a liberal baby.

    Ew, Joel, even I wouldn’t stoop so far as to say that. Libs, after all, CHOOSE to be that way. They aren’t born that way, and they can CHOOSE to change their minds (though most don’t-kind of like religious people, embracing a worldview based on faith and assumptions.)

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Oh, come on, Cannon, you’ve got to admit that’s one HELL of a punchline.

    Dave

  • http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/39420/joanne_huspek.html Joanne Huspek

    There is so much wrong with some of these comments, I’m going to have to write my own article. Just know I was here and I read it, Dave.

  • Cannonshop

    I know, Dave, but before I got married, I dated a gal who worked with the developmentally disabled at a halfway house. the comparison is absolutely unfair. I’d suspect most retarded folks would find it offensive to be compared to Libs.

  • Cannonshop

    To be a bit more clear- the mentally handicapped are far less likely to engage in the practice of pretending to be nice out of a sense of either guilt, or to achieve some nonexistent moral superiority, they’re less likely to lie for no reason, and they react rather badly to being lied to, once they are aware of the truth.

    They don’t practice Hypocrisy.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Well, then there’s no way they could stand democrat politics in the US.

    Dave

  • bliffle

    Another string of childish ad hominem attacks for people to waste time on.

  • Cannonshop

    well…yeah. I thought that was kind of the point of bringing up weird rumours of bastard children and such, not to mention obsessing about her family life or confusing what she did in policy with what she believes in private.

    You know, what passes for political discourse these days.

  • http://www.thecobraslair.com Cobra

    Dave,

    Are you SURE you’re a Sarah Palin fan? Have you, oh…even glimpsed at the news lately?

    Sen. John McCain, recklessly, irresponsibly did NOT vet this candidate.

    When the BEST scandal/association/skeleton in her closet is her 17 year old daughter being pregnant…

    Don’t believe me?

    Just look at the front page of today’s Huffington Post.

    I predict a Harriet Miers-style withdrawal within two weeks.

    –Cobra

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Cobra, HuffPo has been posting repeats of the same partisan hit pieces for several days. I’ve already seen them. They’re nothing but propaganda from a site which has no legitimacy or moral authority and just shills for the left.

    There’s nothing new. They have posts about Todd Palin’s 22 year old DUI. Give me a break. The fact that Palin has them so scared is something I find quite encouraging.

    Dave

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Fascinating article from an Alaskan correspondent in today’s TIME (which, I hope, Dave, you won’t call a “liberal” publication). This, along with everything else, just makes me realize how completely, incredibly, astonishingly, unsuitable she is for VP. Not to mention, of course, except over and over and over and over and over, that she has no, none, nada foreign policy experience.

  • http://www.thecobraslair.com Cobra

    Dave,

    I suppose you feel that way about ABC News, right?

    “Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which, since the 1970s, has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.

    And while McCain’s motto — as seen in a new TV ad — is “Country First,” the AIP’s motto is the exact opposite — “Alaska First — Alaska Always.”

    After refraining from commenting on the charge for a day, the McCain campaign on Tuesday asserted that Palin was never a member of the AIP.

    But Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.”

    And then of course if you don’t believe ABC News, you can try… Your own eyes. There are accompanying clips with AIP members:

    “At 6:00 Dexter Clark, Vice Chairman of the AIP says: “Our current governor, we mentioned at the last conference, the one we were hoping would get elected, Sarah Palin, did get elected. There’s a joke, she’s a pretty good looking gal, there’s a joke goes around we’re the coldest state with the hottest governor. And there was a lot of talk about her moving up. She was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town — that was a non-partisan job. But you get along to go along — she eventually joined the Republican Party, where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and well, I won’t go into that. She also had about an 80% approval rating, and is pretty well sympathetic to her former membership.”

    Who are you going to believe more? McCain flacks or your own eyes and ears?

    –Cobra

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Cobra: two things – please don’t use “more than” arrows to indicate quotes, the quotation marks do a fine job of that all by themselves and the arrowheads can interfere with the site html. Please don’t post raw links but properly formatted ones as I have done for you above. If you don’t know how, here is an easy to understand explanation of how to format a link.

    Thanks.

    Christopher Rose
    Blogcritics Comments Editor

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Cobra, the AIP association has been known since well before the election. I don’t personally have a problem with it. Politics in Alaska is different, as I’ve said before.

    In fact, the connection to the AIP is one of the things which many libertarians find encouraging about Palin, as the AIP has a libertarian bent to it.

    And I don’t see how being involved with the AIP is scandalous or troubling in any way.

    Dave

  • Clavos

    Fascinating article from an Alaskan correspondent in today’s TIME (which, I hope, Dave, you won’t call a “liberal” publication).

    Depends on your POV. I switched my subscription from Time to USNWR years ago, because I found Time to be slanted too far left for me.

    This, along with everything else, just makes me realize how completely, incredibly, astonishingly, unsuitable she is for VP.

    So don’t vote for her. Maybe your side will win and she’ll be a moot point.

  • http://www.thecobraslair.com Cobra

    Dave,

    You gotta be kidding me. What Election campaign have you been watching?

    Hate Radio hosts, Right winged bloggers and Fox News have the torches and pitchforks out for Michelle Obama for saying America is a “mean country”, and “for the first time in my life I’ve really been proud of my country.”

    Michelle Obama is NOT on the ticket in the 2008 Election, but that doesn’t stop them.

    Now, it comes to our attention that the Palins were involved with a group advocating Alaskan Secession? A group whose founder, Joe Volger, once said this:

    “I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I’ve got no use for America or her damned institutions.”

    But people aren’t supposed to ask any questions about this, Dave?

    Do you want me to cite some of Palin’s public prayers about the Iraq War being “God’s Will?”

    Do you want me to quote some of HER Pastor’s sermons, where he said critics of George W. Bush were going to hell?

    Conservatives set themselves up for this by having that unsuccessful witch-hunt against the Obamas. And now…

    The chickens have indeed come home to roost.

    –Cobra

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Hate Radio hosts,

    We don’t have Air America here in Austin anymore, so I don’t get hate radio in my car.

    Right winged bloggers and Fox News have the torches and pitchforks out for Michelle Obama for saying America is a “mean country”, and “for the first time in my life I’ve really been proud of my country.”

    Yep. I’ve seen some comments like that. Go over and read Freep sometime and you’ll find plenty. Nothing on the scale of the attacks on Palin, of course.

    Michelle Obama is NOT on the ticket in the 2008 Election, but that doesn’t stop them.

    Hillary’s ambitions show us how irrelevant that claim is.

    Now, it comes to our attention that the Palins were involved with a group advocating Alaskan Secession? A group whose founder, Joe Volger, once said this:

    “I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I’ve got no use for America or her damned institutions.”

    But people aren’t supposed to ask any questions about this, Dave?

    When did I say that, Cobra. I said that I didn’t have a problem with it. And people SHOULD ask questions about it, because if you ask questions you find out that Palin was never registered as a member of the AIP.

    Do you want me to cite some of Palin’s public prayers about the Iraq War being “God’s Will?”

    Do you want me to quote some of HER Pastor’s sermons, where he said critics of George W. Bush were going to hell?

    No, I’m not into the whole sermon thing. I got cured some years ago.

    Dave

    Conservatives set themselves up for this by having that unsuccessful witch-hunt against the Obamas. And now…

    The chickens have indeed come home to roost.

  • Pablo

    “Do you want me to cite some of Palin’s public prayers about the Iraq War being “God’s Will?”

    No Dave, would you like me to show you the reference where Palin said that the War in Iraq was about Oil bubba?

  • http://www.jbs.org Robert

    Dave has a book called 101 Ad Hominem attacks. Apparently it is the only reference volume at his disposal.

    Dave, do you masquerade as a journalist? How would your professors grade these pearls of wisdom?

    I know, how about debating the issues instead? Oh my! If you can’t recall any issues after all the name calling how about this one…

    No more foreign aid until 1) We can afford it (US has $9T+ in debt), 2) a Constitutional amendment is passed to allow for it.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Pablo, I’ve already seen both the God’s Will quote – which is generally taken out of context and the oil quote, which was more of a question than a statement and is also usually taken out of context.

    Robert, I do write the occasional article for the local paper, usually restaurant and book reviews. I don’t consider myself a journalist in the traditional sense and I’m certainly not one of the useless fools who graduate from journalism schools.

    My professors taught things like Democraphics, History, Economics and Literature. Most of them would be horrified by the content of my writing – since most were marxists.

    BTW, do you even know what an ad hominem is or how to recognize when you’re engaging in it youself?

    As for the foreign aid issue, what does it have to do with Palin and her role in uniting the GOP, which is the topic of this article.

    Go look up one of my foreign policy articles and we can discuss it there. But for the record, I agree we should eliminate almost all foreign aid, but of course I also have actually READ the constitution and know that we don’t need an amendment to give foreign aid. Ever hear of Tripoli?

    Dave

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    It’s amazing to me that anything that the right wing can’t explain away is “taken out of context.”

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Jet, that’s a useful explanation for anyone when they see something that is well, taken out of context. As quotes often are, regardless of the political side we’re talking about.

    Dave