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I’ve been reading a lot of stories lately about obesity and how the rest of the world is picking on fat people. Poor babies!

Look, I understand that in some instances obesity can’t be helped. I also don’t believe that the majority of obese people fit into the category of “it can’t be helped.” I just don’t get it. I mean, I’m not very active. I eat bullshit snack foods all the time; it’s called the munchies. I don’t exercise very much. Ok, I play golf, so I don’t really exercise at all. I even have an electric bicycle. Even with all these things going against me, I’m still only a few pounds overweight! How the hell do you get to the stage they call obese?

When I looked up obesity on Wikipedia, it told me that this “disease” is very rare in wild animals and pretty common in domesticated animals. The reason? Domestic animals tend to be overfed and under-exercised. In other words, if obesity is a problem, try eating less and exercising more. Sounds pretty simple to me.

A couple of weeks ago at BC, I read an article about fat people having trouble getting hired. The way I read the article and the comments that went along with it, the writer got on his tilt because his mother told him that fat people couldn’t get hired for good jobs. Of course, the discussion that followed brought up smoking and every other thing that employers should be using as hiring criteria, but really didn’t discuss the problem of hiring the obese and the associated costs.

Today I opened the editorial section of my paper, like I do every day, and read a letter from someone whining because their feelings were hurt over a picture in the paper last week showing two therapists sitting in one oversized wheelchair. The person that wrote the article whined because it sent a negative message. What was the message, you ask? According to the letter to the editor, the message is that two normal-sized people can fit in the same space as one fat person. Somehow the person that wrote that letter doesn’t realize that I don’t need a picture to figure out that two of me can fit where one of her can fit. I usually get the picture when he/she walks by my table at Quizno’s and blocks out the sun for a minute or two.

Why is calling attention to the obvious politically incorrect? Why is saying things like, “You should have to pay for two seats on the airplane if your ass takes up two seats,” a bad thing? I’ve noticed those wide-load wheelchairs at the airport too. You know what that means to me? It means that some poor sorry bastard (possibly me) is gonna get cheated out of half his seat on the plane because someone else needs two and a half seats.

I’d bet that if they just showed a picture of that wheelchair without anyone in it, none of us would have known that the thing was designed for someone with an ass two axe handles wide. Maybe they should have just put a really, really big person in it instead. Then all the fat folks wouldn’t be offended by it. I’d think they’d be more offended by the normal-sized wheelchair, saying things like, “Why do they make these chairs so small?” or “Don’t they know that us ‘normal’-sized people can’t fit in those child seats?”

Maybe it’s not the big seat that’s really offensive. Maybe it’s the little seats that are offensive. Think about it for a minute. If medical supply companies knew the size of Americans, they’d naturally make bigger chairs to accommodate all the fat asses in this country.

The person whining in the paper asks, “Would you similarly insult a gay-lesbian group in a photo?” Maybe they were really trying to! Maybe the two therapists shown in the picture were lesbians? But they were skinny lesbians!

I’m here to say that from now on, PC is forever BS! No more PC BS. Ever! We’re gonna call fat people fat, lazy people lazy, stupid people stupid. We’re gonna include religious whackos and secular shitheads in this group too. When we do this, there will be no return name-calling, no playing the race card or the PC card anymore. The PC card has been removed from the deck and has been burned at the stake.

I usually try to be a nice guy. I’ve tried to learn that thing they call tact over the years. I’m getting better at it, but it still really kicks my ass sometimes. I mean, I’ve never made a comment to anyone in front of me at Burger King who ordered two Whoppers and a diet coke. I’ve never made a comment when I heard one woman ask another, “Does this make me look fat?” I have made a comment if I’ve been asked myself (yes it hurt), but never to anyone I didn’t know. I yell through my car window at idiot drivers. Sometimes I even roll the window down. But, for the most part, I try to behave. It’s just sometimes I get so tired of listening to anyone other than me whine, it just drives me crazy! I’m here to tell you, I have some comments to make, too.

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  • Actually they are proving genetics play a factor..many have low thyroid levels…I don’t find fat people offensive. I do think unkind, hurtful people are not only offensive but sick. But I can’t tell who they are until they open their mouths. They have the ability to block out the sun for days.

  • Ruthie – I did say in my post that I understand that sometimes it can’t be helped. I don’t find fat people offensive either, unless I’m the one stuck next to them on the airplane.

  • Andy, the problem is that fat people are called fat, lazy, slovenly disgusting and stupid all at the same time. It is assumed that we became fat because we do nothing. I am an extremely active fat woman. I travel 250 days a year making music. I walk daily, at least a mile, ride my bike or swim laps. I dont overeat. I dont drink. But I am a big soft person and I always have been. Just because YOU don’t gain weight and dont exercise frequently doesnt mean that its the same for other people. People gain weight for different reasons. Childhood habits, sedentary lifestyle, pregnancy, surgeries, back, ankle and knee problems, can all contribute to and exacerbate weight gain.

    Fat people are one of the only groups it is still okay to make fun of. There are no stickers that say “No blacks” or “No Jews” but there are stickers everywhere that say “No fat chicks.” It is still socially acceptable to ridicule fat people and discriminate against them. It is called “sizism,” andy, and it is wrong! It should be wrong to discriminate against anyone based on appearance but with fat people, it is still considered “funny” and okay. When we complain about it, we are called ” whiners.” When other people mention discrimination, it is called racism, sexism or any other “ism” that singles out a person because of race or gender.

    Airplane seats are tiny anyway. I have been next to six foot five men who werent fat but were certainly taking up more space than the average person.I have sat in front of very tall people whose knees were in the small of my back all the way to London. Pregnant women also take up more space. Should we be rude to them? Your philosophy seems to condone rudeness and hostility just because its easier than trying to be politically correct.

    Politically Correct terminology, though it may be an inconvenience for those of you who want to label and name call, was invented to prevent whole groups of people from being stereotyped. There was a time when it was okay to call African Americans derogatory names. There was a time when white entertainers wore black face and mimicked African people. There was a time when Asians were called “chinks and japs.” There were lots of words used like “gook, kike and wetback.” These words have almost been eliminated from civilized conversation because they are ignorant, hurtful and unneccessary. If you are going to eliminate all PC now and throw out the card from the deck, maybe you should also go back to being transported by a horse drawn carriage. Get rid of your computer and write by hand and candlelight. Use ice blocks and unplug your refrigerator. Get a carrier pigeon and throw out your cell phone.

    Progress is a good thing, andy. It is healthy to realize that the way we used to do things, may not have been the only way. Just because it worked in 1953 doesnt mean it works in 2006.
    Bodies come in all shapes and sizes. People come in all colors and religions. Accepting yourself with all your flaws and individual attributes should bring you closer to accepting others who are different from you. The world is getting bigger and more and more people from different cultures are coming together. The time to learn to accept each other is NOW. We all have the same red blood in our veins and the same internal organs. Now if we can just learn to accept our outside appearances, we will really have progressed. Sign me : Fit, fat and fine.

  • Indeed your article will and does offend. You should be told to “shut your pie hole”.

    You have no idea all the factors that can overtake “will power”.

    Did you know that a simple food TV ad can kick start your digestive process and have your stomach requesting food?

    Did you know that most obese people’s brains get FLOODED with dopamine with only the smell of food, thereby overriding reason? Do think will power can determine dopamine release in the body?

    Do you know that COMPULSION means you have lost the ability to make a choice?

    Did you know that when a fat person restricts his caloric intake, his system reacts by storing fat even more?

    Judge not so quickly. I’ll submit myself for example. I used to be an Olympic level athlete training for Barcelona, then I get into a few accidents which left me with broken shoulder bones, 4 ribs, hands and feet crushed, luxated knee (Seeing my knee flip forward was easily the most funny thing I’ve ever seen) and 3 fractured vertebrae. 8 back surgeries later and 4.5 years face down in a bed, I fattened up to a whopping 315 pounds. Now I’m down to 260 and still working like MANIAC (to the point of burning out and needing 8 months to recover) to lose it all…

    So don’t judge me or other fat people with your whinny arguments… you have no right and obviously NO IDEA.

  • Candye – there’s a difference between PC and name calling. And again I’ll say that I understand that in some cases weight can’t be helped.

    My point and the reason for calling them whiners was because the article in the paper was talking about how a local hospital was making concessions for, whatever PC term you prefer for obese people, by purchasing oversized wheelchairs. The picture in the paper showed two people sitting in that wheel chair. How is that offensive? Would it have been better if they only put one little person in there to show how much extra room was in the seat? That’s what makes it PC BS. There wasn’t any derogatory remarks with the picture in the paper, but somehow, it’s offensive.

    If you require a love seat as a normal seat that’s fine, but I guess when someone else walks in the room and has to stand, you’d prefer that they do it quietly instead of making any kind of remark about the person taking up two seats?

    I’m 6′ tall. My knees almost make it to the seat in front of me. I travel about as much as you do during the year and most of my flights are from one side of the US to the other…

    And really…the world is getting smaller…I sure seemed to have a lot more room when I was younger than I do now.

  • Greatest Comedian Ever

    I thought all fat people were made of rubber and what ever you say was supposed to bounce off them. Guess not.

  • so somehow, you’ve managed to overcome all that…compulsion…and dopamine and surgeries…and every other thing you just mentioned and lose weight….hmmmmmm

    I guess that diet coke I saw that guy order with the double whopper with cheese was what???dopamine suppresant???

    It’s not my “pie hole” that’s the problem.

    You’re right…I have no idea.

  • Yes I am right. You have NO IDEA what fat people are up against, not that I would mention ignorants like yourself which are a daily reminder of human cruelty.

    There’s a lot more to being fat than simple overeating and the solution to losing wait is simple in concept but far from easy to applicate. You just lack the capacity to wrap your mind around that.

    Most people with your convictions are people who can’t step out of themselves even for a moment. And they can miraculously solve every problem a seemingly “easy common sense” solution that no one else but yourself seems to have thought of, what a genius. All you said has been said before by jackasses with NO IDEAS either. You should educate yourself before passing on opinions with absolutly no basis in reality or become a republican.

  • Greatest Comedian Ever

    Great post Jeliel. I could almost “feel” your fatness through the screen. I hope that inbetween posts you are doing jumping jacks. Of course assuming for safety reasons that you are on the ground floor.

  • Andy, I cannot tell you just how impressed I am with your sweeping moral judgments of people’s medical conditions. It’s very impressive how you can generalize your own fortunate genetics that let you get away with slovenly behavior into disdain and ridicule for people who are less fortunate.

    Fat people just lack will power- that’s the way to look at it. No need to consider any of the complexities of weak metabolism that are encoded in some people’s genetics, nor how those genetics impact people’s appetites and cravings. And you certainly needn’t bother to consider bad programming embedded from childhood about food.

    No, that would involve thinking and even human empathy. Much better for maintaining a cheap and unearned sense of superiority to blanketly label fat people as lazy and irresponsible. Better yet, brand them all as left wing PC whiners- cause I’m sure all fat people are liberals. You never see fat Republicans, after all.


  • Mr. Takes things too literally

    I highly doubt that all fat people are liberals. I see fat republicans all the time. Check your facts Mr. Barger.

  • Al Barger, this must be a parallele universe where we agree on something =)

    2 thumbs up.

  • MCH

    “We’re gonna call fat people fat, lazy people lazy, stupid people stupid.”

    And let’s call bureaucratic people bureaucrats.

  • You people are all missing the point here. I open up my paper one day to read that the local hospital is buying oversized medical equipment to take care of our ever “growing” population and someone sends a letter to the paper complaining that the picture that accompanied the article showed two people sitting in a wheelchair and it was insensitive of the paper to print that picture…not thank you to the hospital for accomodating my big ass, but shame on the paper for showing a picture of a large wheelchair big enough for that same large ass!

  • Nancy

    Perhaps we should look forward to the day when, unexpectedly, Mr. Marsh’s formerly orderly metabolism gives out due to aging or some biochemical reaction with a bp drug, and he suddenly balloons to 200, 250, or more because although his system has moved along, his eating habits haven’t. As his weight increases, he finds moving to be more strenuous, more tiring – even breathing becomes a matter of labor instead of instinct – and yet paradoxically, his appetite has increased! Since Mr. Marsh is a person of iron will & steely self-discipline, he embarks on a protocol of diet & exercise … which lasts until Thanksgiving when only a shockingly few days of indulgence suddenly pile all that weight right back on to where he started. It came off so hard … it came back on criminally easily, and it came perhaps (if he’s like most people) with a little “bonus” of 5% or so. So he not only gained back everything he worked so hard to lose, but more. So he starts again, and thereby gets on the unending round of lose – and gain; lose – and gain, each time a little more than before, and meanwhile he’s working himself into a stroke trying to keep ahead of the tide….

    I’m seeing a lot of this with guys, especially those who were active in their youth, but ate anything they wanted. Women tend to catch it earlier, during & after pregnancy. The heartbreaking thing is, no amount of exercise seems to keep it off. They work so hard, and just one episode or slip, and – it piles back on, and then some. The psychological devastation of this is pretty bad, made worse by the attitudes of compassionate persons like Mr. Marsh & “Comedian” who feel free to heap scorn & contempt on people who in fact are far from lazy, but have fallen into an increasingly common physical syndrome that is not understood at this point. I personally think a good deal of it has to do with all the additives corporations have been dumping into 100% of the prepared foods most of us eat over the years. If you note, it’s the generations since the onset of TV dinners & fast food that are increasingly obese. I think, personally, that these additives are not only screwing up people’s metabolisms, but are addictive as well. Let’s just say, I wouldn’t be surprised. And after all, didn’t the Tobacco companies swear up & down that their products weren’t addictive or carcinogins?

    So carry on, Mr. Marsh; just remember what goes around tends to come (or become) a-round.

  • Well, I weigh 205 now, I have for a long time. There may come a time when I gain weight and can’t get my ass off the couch.

    But you know what? When I get to the hospital, which I’m sure I will, if I make it that far. I’ll thank the hospital for having a wheel chair big enough to accomodate my fat ass.

    And if two orderlies wheel themselves out to me in it, I won’t even bitch about that! I’ll thank them after they lift me onto the bed. And continue to wonder why I should be offended.

  • Nancy

    I hope to God that day never comes. It is a vicious cycle, and no one deserves that. Well … maybe Saddam Hussein & Michael Jackson & a few others I can think of. But it is a real bitch. And I really do think it has to do with all the commercially prepared food additives. I foresee some lawsuits against the food industries that will make the tobacco ‘suits look like peanuts. The coincidence is too overwhelming, but I’m no biochemist.

  • Al – First thing I said in the piece was I understand that sometimes obesity can’t be helped. This had nothing to do with that, it was about how offended someone was by the picture. So, I decided to tell you how offended I am by some of the things that obese or fat people do. And now you’re whining too.

  • and Al – did I say left wing or liberal or anything like that anywhere? I said PC Bullshit.

  • Perhaps you are true to your intentions Marsh, but your manners are supremely sloppy. Like my pappy used to say,”Tout est dans la manière”. Don’t worry I’ll translate for you. It means how things turn out depends on how you play it.

    You have the grace and the tact of a prison door and the subtlety of a speeding 18 wheeler truck with a flat tire. So eh good luck with that.

  • I really like the bad programming as a child thing too. It’s not my fault…my mommy did it to me…holy mackeral.

  • JELIEL3 – I did say I was working on that tact thing…

  • My Opinion, That’s All

    Wow. I’m glad I’m a disembodied spirit. Corporeal things matter not to me. [smile]

  • Nancy

    I do agree with you on one thing, and that is the invidious way all the fast food chains have “supersized” everything. The reason for this, is, I’m told by an friend in low places, because that enables them to charge more & make higher profits off what SEEM to be much larger items, but a close look shows that the ‘larger’ items are the really cheap stuff, like the buns, etc., which also happen to be the most fattening. Also note that their meats, etc. are full of fats. Fats are not only where the calories are, but the flavors as well. What is not being said is that a lot of these items are ‘flavor-enhanced’ to taste char-broiled, or a touch of garlic powder (not enough to taste), that taste buds respond to without being really aware of them. If someone is already hungry, the combination of fats & carbs tends to lead to more and faster ingestion of foods, before the system has time to ‘digest’ what it’s getting, so to speak, & signal the brain it’s full. And then there’s the infamous preservatives & additives.

    Add to that, that the primate brain is hard-wired to go for sugars over just about anything else, with fats a followup. Our own systems are geared towards our destruction, especially since few if any people work so as to require the humongous meals required by farmers, etc. in the Olden Days. Even the Amish are having problems with it, and their lifestyles are about as labor-intensive as it can get. Another interesting clue is that oriental people, raised on generations of healthy, low-fat, fishy diets, are now ballooning out of shape as well, after only a few years eating sporadically at McDonalds & Co. You don’t need to be paranoid to have enemies….

  • I did say I was working on that tact thing…

    I’m thinking overhaul.

  • “Why is calling attention to the obvious politically incorrect?”

    Because it hurts people’s feelings while not helping them at all.

    What Earthy good does it do to tell obese people that they’re obese, anyway?

    Obese people already know that they’re obese, they also know that they do not fit into standard-sizes (furniture, clothing, wheelchairs, etc.), that some people look down upon them and make certain assumptions about their characters, that carrying too much excess weight is unhealthy, and that weight loss can be accomplished by eating less and exercising more.

    “Political correctness” is nothing but a trendy — and somewhat Orwellian, IMNSHO — term for the ancient notions of tact, good manners and consideration for others.

    There was never really a time when it was okay to insult people’s appearances, habits, lifestyles, ethnicities, religious beliefs, etc. Well-bred people have never done so in any era.

    FWIW, I think that people who need to use two seats on an airplane ought to pay for two seats. However, I would caution airlines against mentioning the sizes of their customers’ posteriors while enforcing such a policy.

  • Andy, being well known as a right wing nutjob, I might be sympathetic to a limited point about cheesy victimhood politics, like what you’re describing in that business about the local paper. But that’s not what you wrote here. You went from there to way broad, sweeping generalizations about fat people being lazy and self-indulgent. You don’t have to be a whiner or PC to not appreciate that kind of nonsense.

    And when you talk about “PC bullshit” that would generally be understood to mean liberal or left-wing, and that’s what you seem to be describing with that wheelchair thing.

  • Arch Conservative

    Nice to see everyone attaching ANdy and saying he doesn’t have facts on his side.

    The fact is that there is an obesity epidemic sweeping this nation and it’s not because of genetics. There are cases in which a person’s biology makes them fat but this is usually not the case.

    We must look at our current lifestyles and dietary habits to see why so many are becoming obese. First of all technology has made so many things that people used to do for themselves automated. Nobody walks any more……most jobs today require very little physical exertion while many require nothing more than sitting in front of a computer for 8 hours a day five days a week. The average child owns 2-3 video game systems and would rather play on them or the internet than go out and play in the yard.

    Then there is the diet part of this epidemic. Portion sizes are so large now that they are unhealthy. Everything from soft drinks to bagels, to potato chips, to cookies is larger than it was 20 years ago and contains much more calories. Restaurants usually give very large portions so the customer wil be satisfied and think they are getting thier money’s worth. But then the customer feels as if they must eat the whole meal. Many people eat nothing but fast food and junk food which is just empty calories.

    there have beeen many books written about the obesity epidemic and it’s cause. It’s time we stop making excuses and face the fact that for most obese people it is the modern American lifestyle that is their problem and not their genes.


    pffft.. Navy
    What are you, afraid of bullets, ya big pussy?

  • TA Dodger

    I think the problem is that people think obesity is either the result of genetic or behavioral factors, when that is a false dichotomy.

    I don’t diet and I never exercise, but I’m pretty scrawny. I think a lot of that is genetic. Some people respond more to an increased caloric intake than other people. Unfortunately for people who are overweight, that doesn’t change the fact that it takes food to get fat.

    What I find the most amusing is that people claim that dieting won’t make them lose weight and then they get gastric bypass surgeries. The surgery forces them to eat less food and reduces the number of calories absorbed, and eureka! they lose weight. Kinda makes you think that if they’d forced themselves to eat fewer calories in the first place they wouldn’t have had to bother with expensive surgery.

  • damn right! that was to #29

  • Al – You’re getting way more out of what I wrote than what I said. I never called anybody lazy. Just because the word lazy is in the post doesn’t mean I was calling fat or obese people lazy. If it is a liberal or a left wing thing then so be it, but YOU labled it that way, not me. I can show you stuff I’ve written in the past calling PC BS on both sides.

  • Dawn

    I agree with Al’s measured and thoughtful responses (did I say that?)

    Andy, I am no stranger to strong language, or to offending people with PC minus talking points, but dude, you wrote your post with the intent to offend and instead of sticking with your intent, you are now trying to act shocked that people are offended.

    I know a girl who is both beautiful and overweight. She works out no less than twice a day, sometimes three times. She is disciplined and a perfectionist. She has been able to lose a large amount of weight and has been pretty successful in keeping it off, but she isn’t thin, she knows it and it bothers the shit out of her. She is quite obsessed actually about losing weight. Cleary some factors do not weigh (no pun intended) heavily in some people’s favor.

    I have had to battle my weight from puberty on. I was in sports all throughout my childhood and teen years. Swimming, track, basketball – you name it I did it. But no matter how thin I am and I have been pretty thin at times, I will always, always have a big ass. It’s the way I am built. I am not lazy, I run after two small kids and stay pretty active. I rarely eat junk food, but yet a waif I am not.

    So, really, you can’t just assume that people are fat ‘cuz they are wharfing down two Whoppers and a diet coke.

    It’s also a misnomer that supermodels represent some ideal human shape. Variety is the spice of life dude – a big butts are where the fun is.

  • What I find the most amusing is that people claim that dieting won’t make them lose weight and then they get gastric bypass surgeries. The surgery forces them to eat less food and reduces the number of calories absorbed, and eureka! they lose weight. Kinda makes you think that if they’d forced themselves to eat fewer calories in the first place they wouldn’t have had to bother with expensive surgery.

    Here’s the problem in your flawed logic.

    • Bypass patients who eat to much WILL DIE from the stomach rupturing
    • When your stomach is shortened, it will send the satiety signal faster than the normal (or larger, since it stretches with the larger food intakes) stomach
    • Any smokers or alcoholics or former drug users here? Well if so you understand addiction. Fat people are addicted to food. The difference here is a human cannot quit this addiction like one quits smoking, taking drugs or drinking. So no matter what, the drug is always present. I dare you to try going a few days without food and see what will become of your will power and your strength of mind and your precious easy simple solution

    That’s the problem with you people, you think everything can be boiled down to a simple easy to box and market solution, thus making the person who suffers from a problem the one to blame. And it makes it easier for you not to deal with these problems.

  • I say what Andy is saying about the wheelchair with two skinny people in it. That is exploitation of obese people. It is also sensationalism! They could have very easily got their message across without such an explicit visual.

    One point that was also missed. Some people actually become addicted to eating. There is actually a 12 step program called Overeaters Anonymous. This is for real. When I first heard about it I did not understand it. But basically the person self medicates with food rather than alcohol and will eventually eat themselves to death if they don’t get help.

  • I am overweight. In the past 10 years I have packed on close to 100 pounds. Part of that is due to a thyroid condition, part is due to other medical issues, but most is because I eat too much and don’t exercise enough. I can’t really argue with Andy’s post. Most, not all, but most of my weight gain is due to lack of discipline on my part. I’d love to blame something else, but I am fat because of me.

  • Sean, nice of you to take the blame, hell I take the blame for my obesity also. But I recognise that there are multiple factors working against me over which I have no control. Such as my inherited biology. My metabolism is so slow, I just look at a bag of chips and I gain 2 pounds.

    Which is why despite my insane workouts, I’ve been plateau-ing for a while now.

  • There you go. An honest Jersey boy for you. Thank you Sean.

    You know, I call my self a stupid SOB all the time and I’ve never once hurt my feelings. I know I’m a stupid SOB and somehow, hearing it never really hurts that bad. A lot of you have called me some names…some of them are even true…not sure about schmuck, I’ll have to look that one up. I’m still standing though…nothing broken, bleeding, bruised, bent…nothing.

    And really, whether you like it or not, it’s true. I never assumed why anyone was fat. I know there are medical conditions and other problems out there. But I promise you, if I see a 300 pounder at BK ordering a double whopper with cheese, I’m gonna assume and I’m gonna be right. You might not like my words, but I told you I don’t do tact very well.

    I guess I probably went a little overboard, but I was pissed at what I had read in the paper and felt I needed to vent and you fellow BC people are the sounding board.

  • TA Dodger

    As for your first two points: I understand that a gastric bypass surgery actually forces people not to eat. That’s the point. People who claim “it’s genetic, it doesn’t matter if I diet!” are proven wrong when they lose weight on a low calorie diet. Obviously they could have lost weight if only they had had the will power to control their eating. Which brings us to your third point.

    Any smokers or alcoholics or former drug users here? Well if so you understand addiction. Fat people are addicted to food.

    Do you actually recognize a difference between suffering from a chemical addiction and just having little will power? Do you think that everyone who drinks too much is an alcoholic? If so, you fundamentally misunderstand addiction.

    # I dare you to try going a few days without food and see what will become of your will power and your strength of mind and your precious easy simple solution

    Needing food to live is not the same thing as being addicted to twinkies. You can eat healthy food, you know.

    That’s the problem with you people, you think everything can be boiled down to a simple easy to box and market solution,

    The solution is simple but it sure isn’t easy and it certainly isn’t marketable. Consume fewer calories than you expend. That means eat less and exercise more. People who shill fad diets are exploiting people’s shame and desparation, and that’s disgusting. People who try to tell people that if they lose enough weight they’ll attain the unnatural “tiny waist – average hips – big boobs” body type are disgusting.

    Thus making the person who suffers from a problem the one to blame.

    Of course it’s not your fault! Nothing is ever your fault. You are completely powerless to help yourself. Why is this attitude empowering again??

  • candye kane

    Not all fat people are food addicts. While some people may be addicted to food and overeat; others have slower matabolism, make poor food choices or cannot exercise because of an injury. Some people have thyroid conditions or gastric conditions. Some people are also born ugly, or with crooked teeth, premature bald spots or with extremely small genitals. People shouldn’t be subjected to insults because of their appearances or body types. Ever see the Elephant Man? It sucks to be ridiculed for your appearance.

    That being said, the diet industry is a multi billion dollar industry for a reason. Diets don’t work. They wouldn’t need lifetime memberships to Weight Watchers if they did. Even the gastric bypass doesn’t work. Al Roker and Carnie Wilson have both gained their weight back. The key to happiness is to accept your body the way it is, with all its flaws and beauty marks. It is also a good idea to move your body, no matter what size. A sedentary lifestyle is bad even if you are thin. Love your body and love yourself. It may take a lifetime but its worth every effort.

    Oh yes, and you have to become a human bullshit filter and filter out the negative remarks like several I have read here on this blog. But if you learn to love your body and move your body as much as possible, at least you will be healthier and that’s a good goal to acheive.

  • TA Dodger

    I think that that describes the situation pretty well. People who are overweight shouldn’t be mocked. NOT becasue they can’t help it (some can and some can’t), but becasue it isn’t wrong to be fat, and it’s cruel to attack people because of their appearance.

  • candye kane

    Margaret says: There was never really a time when it was okay to insult people’s appearances, habits, lifestyles, ethnicities, religious beliefs, etc. Well-bred people have never done so in any era.

    This is just untrue Margaret. Al Jolson and many other minstrel entertainers were paid to mimick African Americans on vaudeville stages and on radio. Amos and Andy were a famous black face act who were socially accepted by all classes. The word “Darkies” was a culturally accepted term used by many well bred southerners. How can you make such an historically incorrect statement? Racist terms were used to describe the Native American Indians from the time the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock.The founding fathers described Native Americans as “Savages.” The Pilgrims, at least some of them, were pretty well bred. Many Nazis were well bred people. Many well bred people today use racial slurs to describe muslims and people of Middle Eastern descent. People from all classes, economic groups, levels of education and all eras have been prejudiced.No era has been exempt.

  • Dawn

    I have flaws, one of them is cursing.

    Shit, will I ever fucking learn to love myself?

    Seriously Andy, going overboard is okay, but you have to choose objects of universal ire, like pedophiles, murderers and Rush Limbaugh.

    People will love you for it. Well, at least I will love you for it.

  • Breeding has nothing to do with parentage, but parenting as it is a matter of upbringing. Well brought up people do not insult others because they have learned to have consideration for other people. The notion of “doing unto others…” is as old as humanity itself.

    What has changed and evolved over the course of history is what is and is not an insult and who was or was not regarded as an actual person worthy of consideration.

    In the days when slavery was thought of as a good and necessary institution, the word “darkie” was a relatively polite term used to refer to slaves whose personhoods were counted as three-fifths of those of free people.

  • JP

    So Arch, that “American lifestyle” is what you’re trying to conserve, yes? I’d agree with you to the point that our American lifestyle is a mjaor factor, given the contents of fast foods and the sedentary nature of our jobs. At the same time, there are biological factors also, metabolism for example. How do you tell which one is primarily responsible in a particular person?

    People have the option, barring injury, to exercise more; we can make dietary choices, but compared to 50 years ago the foods we give ourselves the opportunity to purchase aren’t nearly as healthy as they used to be. Fast food is much more prevalent, people eat out more, etc. Serving sizes are ridiculous–yet it’s never challenged or questioned.

    The “politically correct” crowd prefers to acknowledge the symptom without making a judgment about it, because they recognize they are incapable of determining which factor is the cause in a particular case. Err on the side of caution, I say.

  • RedTard

    Sitting here reading blogcritics made me fat. Is there like somebody I can sue or something?

  • MCH

    Sure, Red. Maybe you could hire the same liberal lawyer Limbaugh used to beat the rap for using blackmarket narcotics.

  • I have never understood why people feel the compunction to be cruel to each other. I don’t know why Andy feels it is important enough to sit down and write idioms like “a fat woman blocking out the sun in Quiznos”. Perhaps he thinks he is being clever or macho or that his insensitivity is cool.

    It has been my experience that very often people will ridicule things/people/situations that they fear.

    When I read this pathetic missive, all that ccame through to me is how frightened Andy is. There is palpable fear – fear of fat, fear of women, fear of fat women, fear of people who are smarter than he is, fear that these smart people (some who are fat women) may actually have no need for a man like him, that they may in fact be laughing at him as he tries to appear clever and humorous when in reality he knows he is neither and this fear, this unbelievable fear that the truth is, what he thinks, what he feels, what he is may not really matter at all propels him to sit at his computer and make sport of the easiest targets available – targets that will rarely even defend themselves.

    Like fat women, those lazy, slovenly, blocking out the sun creatures who have no self-esteem and will not even provide the one thing that women are good for which is to tailor themselves to the whims of male fantasies as sexual objects.

    My guess is that doing so makes Andy feel very “manly” and helps to momentarily allay his fears that very soon, the fat women will be taking over and squeezing him out of airplane seats and the warmth of the sun in Quiznos.

    To that I say – BRAVA FAT WOMEN! And let’s get to it!

  • But MCH, look what those drugs did to his weight!

  • Margaret – you’re absolutely right about upbringing and all that…and yeah, mom would be mad as hell at me for this one…and no, I wouldn’t do it in public. Something about the length of this superhighway we’re riding on that makes it all kind of anonomous

    Amita – you’re absolutely right too. Glad I’m happily married for almost 23 years now. To a tiny little 5 footer…cause you’re absolutely right…fat women scare me….not as much as italian women!!! but they scare me.

  • Dawn

    Italian women can be very scary. I can’t argue with that.

  • my mothers maiden name….you know the character Paulie on the Sopranos? Gualtieri!

  • Eric Olsen

    everyone is right: people shouldn’t be mean and judgmental, there are a wide array of body-types, there are genetic and environmental factors that affect weight gain, a lot of people are lazy and eat a bunch of shit, the intentions of PC are above reproach but the ramifications are often stultifying, the older I get the happier I am an ectomorph, staying as thin as I want to be gets harder as I get older, I exercise every day and vigorously 5 days a week, I eat reasonably well.

    Conclusions: everyone (who is capable) should exercise vigorously and eat reasonably well – if they did, the country would look a lot different than it does now, though we would still have all different shapes and sizes and there still wouldn’t be anyone who is perfect.

    I have to admit I would enjoy roaming the land, kicking fucking cheeseburgers and fries out of people’s hands and forcing them to exercise viciously on the spot. Yes, there would be some casualties, but you have to break a few eggs …

    Oh, and I should add: if you are active, eat well and are still overweight, then that’s just the way it is – don’t worry about it. But if are not active, and don’t have a reasonable medical excuse for it, then shame on you.

  • For shame, Mr. Marsh! And tsk tsk tsk! 😉

    Seriously, I do understand where you’re coming from. People are, like, sooooo sensitive these days. It seems like just about every real or imagined slight is grounds for controversy, condemnation and, in some cases, even litigation. But this is not necessarily a Bad Thing as it is indicative of a society that is becoming more compassionate and civilized.

    Sensitivity used to be defined as looking about the room for people of certain ethic extractions before telling ethnic jokes, now it is defined as not telling any sort of ethnic jokes at all.

    Now, don’t worry, the First Amendment is still in force and people aren’t being arrested for telling ethnic jokes. However, they do face the consequences of social and/or commercial rebuke.

    People who tell ethnic jokes often find that their friends are having a much better time when they’re not around. If the media makes such jokes it faces the possibility of losing ratings shares or even organized boycotts.

    This is the beauty of freedom and capitalism in action. Some may think that freedom of speech coarsens a society — and it some ways it might seem so — but ultimately it has made us more polite and considerate of others.

    The reason why people seem more sensitive these days is because our standards of behavior, especially with regard to human relations, have become more refined, not less so.

    And so it will go with those suffering from obesity. Obese people will exercise their right to free speech and let the public know when they are offended, businesses that wish to improve their bottom lines will make accommodations for larger customers and society will eventually raise its own awareness of obesity (which is actually happening right now), thus leading to numerous private ventures and public services that will be helpful to the unfortunate people who struggle with the problems of excessive weight.

  • My Opinion, That’s All

    I believe that this has nothing to do with weight at all. It has everything to do with thinness. Even at size 5, I still weigh 145 pounds. By that standard, I would be overweight, but clothing-wise, I would be thin. But that was in high school. I have had children now and I’m a little heavier and a little wider, but still proportionate. Health and weight matters not in this society. It’s THINNESS. As long as you can pour yourself into a size 2, who gives a damn if you’re suffering from malnutrition, mineral deficiencies and hair loss? As long as you’re thin.

  • MOTA – I think I’m like a size 14/16…been a lot of years since I tried any ladies clothing…wait…I’ve NEVER tried on any ladies clothing…never mind…I don’t know what size I am.

  • Nancy

    Well, your height probably factors into it. Lessee…you said you’re about 210; if you’re average height (for a guy), then you MIGHT be able to squeeze into a 16, but chances are you’re a little chunkier around the shoulders & tum than you realized, so for comfort & movability, I’d recommend you go for a 20 or so, so you can have an inch or so of give to sit down. 😉

  • you’re probably right…it was quite a while ago…

    is 6′ average?

  • Nancy

    6 foot, well, I’d recommend you try a 20 Tall; 6′ is a little on the longish side for women’s clothes; a regular 20 would definitely be too short for comfort or modesty.

  • If I’m gonna wear womens clothes is modesty something I need to concern myself with?

    Tell you what…it’s a whole lot easier to just go get those 550’s sized 34/34…this is starting to sound like issues to me…no wonder you women have so many! Kidding! Kidding!

  • Nancy

    No, actually, that IS an issue: men’s clothing sizes are standardized; women’s are not. A size 8 by one manufacturer is not the same size as a size 8 by another, believe it or not. Depending on the maker, you can wear a size 10, a 14, or a 16. That’s why women spend so much time always trying on clothes when they go shopping, while men can just pick up something from the shelf & get it confident it will fit without having to try it on in the store.

  • I never could quite figure that stuff out…but I’ve always noticed it.

    and why does it cost more to dry clean a pair of ladies slacks than a pair of mens slacks? Or shirts and blouses…always seemed kinda strange to me…although, I don’t do much dry cleaning…I mean, come on…no one dry cleans jeans and t-shirts…well almost no one….

  • There is a vast difference between those whose few extra pounds are a threat to their ability to look good in certain clothing styles or to qualify for a career in high fashion modeling and those whose excess weight is a threat to their health and, in some cases, even their lives.

    My fourth child was born only one year after my third. The day before I delivered, I weighed a little over 200 pounds and, 2 months postpartum, I weighed 160 pounds.

    Now, I’m only 5’3″ and have a slight build, so I was “fat.” And for real, too, not just suffering self-consciousness from seeing thin models and actresses on the television and in magazines.

    I did not care for the discomfort caused by my thighs rubbing together when I walked, so I lost 50 pounds in about 9 months.

    All I did was eat less and exercise more, but some people I know don’t believe that and presume that I have bulimia or anorexia nervosa. On one occasion, a concerned relative actually followed me into a ladies room to see if I went in there to “purge” the meal I had just eaten.

    I blame that dynamic on this sort of attitude/ assertion:

    Health and weight matters not in this society. It’s THINNESS. As long as you can pour yourself into a size 2, who gives a damn if you’re suffering from malnutrition, mineral deficiencies and hair loss? As long as you’re thin.

    Thinness and the ability to “pour” oneself into a size 2 really only matter to models and actresses whose careers hinge upon their looks and those people who want to be that thin but are not, and/or cannot be due to their natural bone structure — and who allow their self-image and esteem to be dictated to them by their perceptions of media standards of beauty.

  • Women’s slacks and blouses are more ornate and varied and often have more tailoring and details than men’s pants and shirts. Therefore, women’s clothes require more time to press, thus they are more expensive to have dry-cleaned.

  • Works for me, like I said…no need to dry clean jeans and t-shirts. Although I do wear nicer stuff to work and on the golf course..still wash and wear though. Only thing ever gets dry cleaned for me is the few suits I own.

    one more thing…that word…postpartem…brings back 20 year old frightening memories for me! Women can be really really scary about a month or so after the baby is born…

  • Nancy

    I’m with you; I own nothing that isn’t wash & wear (or wash WHILE wearing), and that doesn’t acquire wrinkles if it’s housed on the chair instead of properly hung up in the closet!

  • Actually, I have this really nice valet in my bedroom…it’s made by a company called totalgym 1500. Told you I was lazy.

  • Nancy

    Mine is a “Gazelle Plus”

  • Andy,

    I do not go in for all the PC bullshit. Stupid is stupid, retarded is retarted, fat is fat, flat is flat, etc. etc.

    But there is such a thing as manners and fundamental decency. You ought not say things that reduces a person’s image of himself in his own eyes (unless his image is so bloated it needs reducing badly), or lessen another person’s honor.

    I don’t have to call a 300 lb. person sitting across from me a fat pig, even though that may be the image I have of him. One can go further with the examples and come up with a code of decent civil behavior.

    But I’ve also learned that the person who persists in making offensive remarks runs the risk of getting his nose broken or his teeth knocked out by the offended person. And often, a broken nose or several lost teeth is a remarkable education in civility.

  • Ruvy – you’re absolutely right. I’m not one to usually run my mouth in public…say things that are hurtful to people I don’t know. Mom taught me how to act in public. I don’t always follow what she taught me, but she did teach me. I will say things to people that piss me off enough…like the guy in the 10 items or less line at the grocery store with 30 items and a thing around his neck that had the letters WWJD on it. I did tell him that Jesus wouldn’t get in the express line with that many items. Of course, it didn’t get me anything but a scowl, but it made me feel better. That’s why I wrote this and posted it as opposed to thinking it and saying it out loud and risking the chance of a severe ass whooping! People that read it know that I’m in Virginia Beach, but this a decent sized city and I wouldn’t be that easy to find…plus I run pretty fast…for an old guy.

  • Nancy

    Well, no, to a degree you’re right: a lot of obesity is caused by overeating, and a lot of it can be ‘cured’ by increasing exercise & decreasing caloric intake. BUT – as medical experts are discovering (what most of us with weight problems already knew long ago, as usual) the problem is keeping it off. Once on, it’s difficult to divest, and unfairly, obscenely easy to regain, PLUS usually a 5% increase, leading to a dangerous round game which inevitably spirals upwards.

  • Vic

    I believe that there is a percentage of the population that suffers from either thyroid problems or perhaps depression, and that this can account for some of the obese in the population.

    But if anyone tries to tell me that 2 OUT OF 3 people in the U.S. have some sort of medical reason for being obese I’m gonna tell them they are full of it.

    For the most part people just want to be able to eat whatever they want, in whatever quantity they please without doing any physical activity. Then they get fat and wonder what the hell happened, and start with the rationalizations.

    Personally I would boil it down to ignorance of the facts of basic nutrition, but that can’t be enough to explain it, because at some tipping point one would think that folks would take a look in the mirror and say “Hey, waitaminute… what’s going on here?”

    But no, they just rationalize away… “I’m only a couple of pounds overweight”, “Hey, you only live once”, “Eating right and exercising only adds 5 years to your life”, etc., etc.

    I read recently that public schools are going to start educating kids starting in kindergarten about HIV/Aids… How about they ditch that and start to seriously educate kids about nutrition and fitness? The percentage of people in the U.S. who have HIV is approximately 0.3% while the percentage of Americans who are obese is over 60%, so maybe someone can explain the math of THAT one to me.


  • Kim

    I travel frequently (both domestically and internationally), and while I do not have any personal animosity against large people, I believe that people who do not fit in an aeroplane seat should pay for two. Juse like you cannot send something in a flat-rate FedEx envelope if your stuff does not fit.

    Often someone, either the poor person sitting next to the big person or a flight attendant, has to point out the fact that the big person does not fit in the seat. This is totally avoidable, but the sad thing is that most fat people are either in denial or just cheap and seldom voluntarily reserve and pay for the space they need in advance. Flying on commercialy airlines is hardly a private endeavour, and being confronted for occupying space that you did not pay for is inevitable.

    Also, those of you who are big, please do not victimise yourselves – those of us who have to make such complaints also feel very awkward and risk something. What if there is no other seat available and we ended up sitting together for the next 8 hours? Would the big person be as civil towards me as s/he would have been had I not made such complaint?

    After all, what they are doing is like buying an econony car like Geo Metro or Corolla and complain that their seats are too small and that people who fit in these cars without problem are making fat people feel bad. If you are big, you drive a large car and pay extra on gas and insurance. Same for air travel. Larger people should fly first or business class or pay for 2 seats.

  • On the other hand, if you ARE large/fat/obese/mighty and are not particularly ashamed of it, you might want to check this site out…


  • rachel

    Are Diet Blogs addicting? I’ve went to several, I don’t see alot of success. I see the same people losing over and over again. Endless banter about food and exercise regimes that don’t seem to work longterm. The names are telling, FatChick Perpetually on a Diet. Isnt’t this setting yourself up? Boring diaries of food intake, and Oops, I did again. I overate, but now I’m being good. I’m back on the wagon fat chicks, love me, help me, because I am never going to make a real change.

  • SlugBuster

    The REAL whiners are the OBESE people. I get sick of listening to them whine about discrimination. In my experience in the work force, especially in the software profession, most of the arrogant, egotistical, overbearing, beligerent jerks I have to contend with are the obese obnoxious slobs.

  • Shizik

    Stupid westeners with their stupid problems 😉

  • obese

    I’m considered obese by the BMI standards. I work out 6 days a week and control my calories. The weight does not budge. I do what skinny people do, it does not make a difference. All I can hope for is to not get fatter. Low thyroid and other medications made me gain steadily over a decade before the problem was identified. That is how one gets “obese”.

    I don’t give a darn about PC, but how about some compassion. You look at a large person. You don’t know why they are that way. It may be a severe medical condition. It may be an emotional issue (there’s a reason it’s called comfort food). Please don’t think that just because they have more fat stores than you, they are lazy or apathetic.

  • Angela

    You know what i love about blogs? That people like Andy and others get to hide behind a computer and say what they want about whomever and make there little comments and observations about the obese people in the world. I bet if we were to meet or see him, or follow him around we could have alot to say. If more people would pay attention to there own problems, and work on themselves, this world would be a much happier place to live. The fact that he had to BLOG about this issue, to me says alot….get a life buddy.

  • Feeling picked on Angela??? Poor baby, go on a diet!

  • Wow, Andy, you’re a classy guy.

  • I’ve never claimed to have any!

  • Angela

    Andy thank you for your kind words….I am so hurt by your comment……..NOT!!! You have a nice day, and keep on blogging, because the world really wants to hear from you. Like I said work on yourself buddy, and the world will be a better place. I have to go eat something…bye-bye.

  • Marcia L. Neil

    You can choose a pituitary condition rather than a thyroid condition to stay slim.

  • It amazes me that only in America is this the problem that it is…I’ve spent plenty of time in a lot of other countries and only in America do I see these medical problems. Must be all the chemicals in our food supply!

    What a crock!

  • I have a question. And I think it is relevant to a guy like me.

    Will we have to rename “Fat Albert?”

    I mean, somehow Obese Albert doesn’t have the sense of comedic aloofness I seek in my cartoon heroes.

  • alessandro…I think there’s some kind of retroactive PC thing and Fat Albert fits in that category…

    I haven’t purchased one of those Fatheads yet…I hear they’re a bit pricey!


    YOU GO DUDE!!! I couldn’t have put it better myself. I think that “political correctness” should only be inflicted on POLITICIANS!!! personally, I believe that FAT people should stop eating “fast food” and start shoveling “organic food” into their bellies! it’s bad enough that our children are raised on McDonald’s extremely fattening food (for lack of a better term). can ANYONE out there explain why our government officials felt that it was necessary to remove GYM CLASS from most of the public schools?
    When does a person graduate from “FLUFFY” to “OBESE” anyway? why don’t they have a special section on buses, trains, and airplanes for the fat asses? couldn’t they simply install benches or church pews in a special area for them? When a LARGE person buys a vehicle, does he/she have to custom order seat belts long enough to reach the other side of the vehicle in order to avoid getting a ticket?
    i think that our government should require EVERY student to take at least 2 hours of P.E. EVERY-SINGLE-DAY and require EVERY student to pass a HEALTHY EATING course before allowing them to graduate!!! does drinking a can of DIET COKE really make it okay for someone to have that extra piece of cake?
    EAT ORGANIC FOOD AND EXERCISE and before you know it… your FAT ASS will disappear! and you will be able to walk more than a city block without having to stop to catch your breath.


  • Debra- med student

    To whom it may concern, l have a non-fuctioning thyroid, l’m not stupid, lhave honours in biology
    and geology. l’ve had surguries which made it
    difficult to lose weight.I accept people as they are, you are not christian, when you judge, you’ll be judged, when you condem, you’ll be condemed okay .

  • Not fat, just compassionate

    Andy’s logic is full of crap as when he admits, “I’m not very active. I eat bullshit snack foods all the time; it’s called the munchies. I don’t exercise very much. Ok, I play golf, so I don’t really exercise at all. I even have an electric bicycle. Even with all these things going against me, I’m still only a few pounds overweight! How the hell do you get to the stage they call obese?” To me, this is a great argument for the theory that genetics certainly are a factor in obesity. My feelings for lazy slobs like Andy are similar to those he harbors for obese people, except more disdainful. I have to run 30 miles a week and eat 1200 calories a day to maintain my 110-pound figure–would Andy like to have to do that? He’s lucky he was born with a good metabolism. The hilarious part is that he THINKS he’s a nice man. I’m not a bible thumper, but hey Andy, “judge not, lest ye be judged” and “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

  • Doug Hunter

    Nature v Nurture. It’s an interesting topic. The ability to use food efficiently and store the rest served many of us well back when we faced famine on a regular basis, now it’s a weakness. I’d suspect that about 80-90% of the population does not have the willpower to change their natural weight much. I used to smoke but was able to quit cold turkey but food can be so much more difficult. Food addiction is like nicotine addiction that never subsides. Additionally, you have to eat some to survive. I’d love to see smokers try and quit if they had to smoke 1 cigarette a day.

    I’m a bit overweight but not obese. I quit trying to diet because everytime you regain the wait you end up a pound of two heavier. Since I quit dieting my weight has remained steady.

    I’m fairly active at work and exercise and I know from my calorie counting days that I usually burn about 3000-3250 per day (I know it’s awesome!). As soon as I start a calorie restricted diet my natural metabolism drops down to about 2000-2200. That’s the problem, your body has a natural weight it wants to maintain, and it is very convincing when it wants something.

  • You know, not for nothing here, but the second line of what I wote says I understand that sometimes it’s a medical thing. What amazes me is how this medical phenomenom seems to affect people in the U.S. more than anywhere else in the world…must be one of those things that make you go hmmmmm…..I know, it’s GWB’s fault…everything else is!

    And on another note, all your excuses for your size do absolutely nothing for me and people like me that have to sit next to you on an airplane!

  • Audrey

    I’m a veterinarian, know how hard it is to tell a dog owner that their dog is too fat and they’re slowly killing it, when they can’t fit in the chair in the waiting room? Takes all my tact. Maybe I should just be blunt, eh?

  • Jenn

    Yeah.. I’m obese.. But I’m really trying to lose weight if it helps. But whenever I eat it looks like I gained 50 pounds! People are always nice to me and say I’m thin.. I am getting tired of people lying.. May as well speak there minds. I’m sick of looking like a dumb ugly fatty! But the weird thing is.. One of my friends apparently weighs a lot more.. But she looks wayyyy thinner than me. Well I’m a fatty anyways.. Food makes me want to cry.. :/