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A look at some of the sexiest people from history

According to various descriptions, beauty can be described as “the phenomenon of the experience of pleasure, through the perception of balance and proportion of stimulus. It involves the cognition of a balanced form and structure that elicits attraction and appeal towards a person, animal, inanimate object, scene, music, and idea.”

We live in a superficial world, whether we want to or not. Beautiful woman and handsome men decorate everything from television screens to magazine covers to the walls of teen boys and girls to clothing ads. Most of us, whether we admit it or not, are drawn to the look of someone first. We’re human. A certain eye color. A firm bum, high cheekbones, a special smile are all things that may, initially, physically attract us to someone. However, as the old saying goes, there is more to someone than what is on the outside. Hopefully we all know this by now.

Let’s toss that old saying to the side for a moment. Below is a list of actors, singers, writers and models from the past that I feel make up some of the most beautiful people in history. Some were known sex symbols, while others were not. It’s all personal taste here.

Please feel free to comment and add to the list. Please keep the list focused on those who are no longer alive. I will be posting another version of living people in the next week or so. If you notice any errors or mistakes in the small bios included, let me know so I can fix it.

James Dean

Actor born on February 8th, 1931. While driving his Porsche 550 Spyder near Cholame, California, Dean was killed in September 1955, when he collided with another car. He is best known for his roles the films Rebel Without A Cause and East of Eden.

Myrna Loy

Actress born on August 2nd, 1905. She is most famous for her role in The Thin Man. Loy was known for her charm, elegance and grace. In 1936, she was the title of “Queen of Hollywood” and was considered the epitome of glamour and class. Loy died during cancer surgery in New York City in December 1993.

Marlon Brando

Often called the greatest actor of the 20th century. His film credits include A Streetcar Named Desire, The Godfather, Guys and Dolls, Last Tango and Paris, Apocalypse Now, and The Score, and many others. Brando died at the age of 80 in July 2004.

Ava Gardner

Ava Gardner was born December 24th, 1922 and was an actress and sex symbol of the 20th century, known for her roles in The Killers, Mogambo and Night of the Iguana. Her list of husbands includes: Mickey Rooney, Artie Shaw, and Frank Sinatra. She died in London, in 1989.

Albert Camus

French writer and philospher, born November 7th, 1913. Camus won the Noble Prize for Literature in 1957 for his work The Fall (1956). His works include: The Stranger (1942), The Plague (1947), The Myth of Sisyphus (1942) and The Rebel (1951). Camus died in 1960 in a car accident in France.

Lee Miller

An American photographer made famous for her photographs of fashion and war victims. She was a member of the Surrealist movement and was the muse of fellow photographer and American, Man Ray.

Clark Gable

Actor and biggest box-office star of the early sound film era, born in February, 1901. His films include Gone With the Wind, It Happened One Night and The Misfits, in which he starred with Marilyn Monroe, in her last ever screen performance. Gable died in 1960 from a heart attack.

Tuesday Weld

American actress born August 1943. Starred in her first movie at the age of 12, Hitchcock’s The Wrong Man. Weld was often described as the poster girl for self-destruction, and began using drugs and alcohol at an early age. She starred opposite Elvis Presley in 1961 in the film Wild in the Country.

Elvis Presley

The King of Rock ‘N’ Roll. Often referred to as the most influential entertainer in music history. Elvis had over 100 top 40 hits and 18 number one songs.

Anais Nin

A French writer who became famous for her published diaries. Critics hailed Nin as one of the finest female writers of erotica. Her circle of friends included Henry Miller, Gore Vidal, Lawrence Durrell and Otto Rank. Her passionate love affair with Henry Miller has made her well known to many Miller fans, and deeply influenced Nin herself as a writer and as a woman. Nin died in 1977 from a battle with cancer. Her works, not including her diaries, include: D.H. Lawrence: An Unprofessional Study, Winter of Artifice, Delta of Venus, Little Birds, Incest and Fire.

River Phoenix

Born as River Jude Bottom in August 1970, he was one of the most promising young actors of his generation. River died of a drug overdose at the age of 23 outside a Hollywood nightclub. River didn’t like being as just a sex symbol and would rarely smile for photographs. His last film was Silent Tongue but is most known for his role as Chris Chambers in the 1986 film Stand By Me.

Anne Sexton

American poet and writer born in November 1928. Anne suffered from depression most of her life. After numerous breakdowns, she attended her first writing workshop, where she reached quick success with her poetry and had poems accepted by Harper’s, The New Yorker and Saturday Review. For a brief period, she modeled for Boston’s Hart Agency. In 1967, she won the Pulitzer Prize for her collection, Live or Die. She committed suicide in 1974.

Margaux Hemingway

Film actress, model and granddaughter of American writer, Ernest Hemingway, she appeared in six films, including Lipstick and Killer Fish and appeared in a May 1990 issue of Playboy. In 1996, on the anniversary of her grandfather’s suicide, Margaux committed suicide in California by OD’ing on sedatives.

Honorable mentions (or People I’m Adding Because I Will End Up Being Yelled At If I Don’t Add Them):

– Marilyn Monroe
– Humphrey Bogart
– Bo Derek
– Joan Crawford
– Lana Turner
– John F. Kennedy JR

I’m definitely forgetting some very important people in this. Be sure to contribute your thoughts!

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  • http://www.dorksandlosers.com Tan The Man

    Yeah, some of these men made my top 5 hunks list. Although, you are missing Montgomery Cliff.

  • http://stolenpony.blogspot.com Jones

    Indeed I am…and why, I don’t know..

    What a profile.

  • http://victorplenty.blogspot.com Victor Plenty

    Uh… isn’t Bo Derek still among the living?

    Oddly enough, most of the people you list here do very little for me in terms of physical attraction.

    Maybe it’s just these particular photos.

  • http://stolenpony.blogspot.com Jones Violet

    Hmm…I thought she was dead. Oh well.

  • http://blogcritics.org/author.php?author=Cerulean Cerulean

    Interesting choices. I’ve noticed that many of your choices died young and/or where self-destructive such as “live fast, die young and leave a good looking corpse.” It’s too late for me to do that.

    He’s alive, but I think that Adrian Grenier is gorgeous. He’s classically handsome, you might like him.

  • http://www.wallybangs.blogspot.com wallybangs

    Myrna Loy, what a babe! I love The Thin Man series.

  • http://none.com Bob A. Booey

    You’re just adding Camus and Anais Nin to the list to be geek chic. They’re not sexy.

    Brando was a violent brute. He wasn’t seductive sexy, he was sexually threatening. That’s why he was the perfect Stanley Kowalski.

    River Phoenix was a beautifully androgynous man-child eunuch, but I’m not sure he was sexy either.

    Camus was brilliant, but not sexy. Sex was the furthest thing from his mind.

    Anais Nin was a horrible writer of cheap Victorian porn who’s only caught fashion now with semi-literate women. She was not sexy or sexual.

    Which living people do you think are sexy, Jones? Not every sexy person has to be pictured in black-and-white. Necrophilia is hot and all, but the golden age of cinema wasn’t when sex died. Sure, today’s cinema is overly sexual and pandering to the point where it’s almost desensitizing and asexual, but I think classic Hollywood had a very limited notion of what sexy was, namely frail, pale, porcelain, delicate white women with an aristocratic air.

    That is all.

  • Jones

    Actually, I do think Albert Camus was the sexiest of all living beings. It’s called personal taste.

    living people: Vincent Gallo, Viggo Mortensen, Johnny Depp (typical, I know), Winona Ryder…Edward Norton (I don’t like him so much with hair, though)..Liv Tyler..

    There are more, I’m sure, just can’t think of them right now.

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    Wow… Tuesday Weld is/was gorgeous…

  • Eric Olsen

    what an interesting, just left-of-center list

    when I was a kid I thought Elizabeth Montgomery was breathtaking – on Bewitched they made her perky rather than sexy, but they couldn’t fool me

  • http://none.com Bob A. Booey

    Jones, I’m convinced you’re a goth space alien who has a detached view of human sexuality. Those are mostly smart people, but of the living people you list, half are pretty asexual. Vincent Gallo is an exception because he’s neither smart nor sexy — the dude had to cast a girl to give him head in that horrible movie.

    THat is all.

  • http://none.com Bob A. Booey

    That being said, I like you.

    This is an interesting, challenging list.

    I may not agree, but I give you credit for being unconventional.

    That is all.

  • http://darkeroticism.blogspot.com/2005/06/indomitable-islamist-female-bloggers.html swingingpuss

    Here is my list-

    Rock Hudson
    Marilyn Monroe
    Cary Grant
    John Wayne
    Gregory Peck
    Audrey Heburn
    Raj Kapoor
    Prithvi Raj Kapoor ( he really was a sex bomb)
    Sunil Dutt
    Nargis
    Madhu Balla

    The rest are alive so won’t mention them

  • http://none.com Bob A. Booey

    When I think sex bomb, I think Prithvi Kapoor, whoever he is.

    Madhu Balla would be my rap name if I was Indian.

    You know the deal with Rock Hudson, right?

    That is all.

  • http://darkeroticism.blogspot.com swingingpuss

    Here’s some info and a small pic of Prithviraj Kapoor

    and here is Madhubala, with a great pic

  • http://none.com Bob A. Booey

    Swingingpuss, forget those old people and find us more pictures of Ashwarya Rai.

    We’re members of her cult now.

    That is all.

  • http://stolenpony.blogspot.com Jones Violet

    Bob: “I’m convinced you’re a goth space alien who has a detached view of human sexuality.”

    Yeah, pretty much. Well except for the goth thing. I went through that phase at fourteen for about a week and a half and got bored of the heavy eye-liner pretty quickly.

    “I give you credit for being unconventional.”

    aw shucks, that’s probably the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me.

    seriously.

  • Nancy

    Bob, if you don’t like JV’s subject matter, then go start your own thread instead of trashing this one.

    That said, my nominations to deceased lovlies:

    Olivia DeHavilland
    Jacqueline deRibes
    Consuelo Vanderbilt
    Princess Alice of Athlone
    Pr. Yuri Yussupov (the guy who killed Rasputin)
    Nathaniel Hawthorne

  • http://adamantsun.blogspot.com Steve S

    I’m surprised that America’s Cinderella, Princess Grace didn’t get any mention.

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    All attractive humans, to be sure, but too similar for me to consider seriously as any barometer of true beauty. But, hey, it’s a ranking of the author’s personal choices.

    Some other dead beauties to consider:

    Dorothy Dandridge

    Parveen Babi

    Ricky Nelson

    Leslie Cheung

    Lena Horne

    Anita Mui

    Ofra Haza

    Sam Cooke

    Bruce Lee

    Rudolph Valentino

  • Nancy

    Nancy Kwan
    Rita Moreno

    Problem is, most photos & portraits of past persons are of movie stars & celebrities, or princes & the rich, and mostly Euro-descended whites at that. I can’t think of too many people not current, so to speak, who aren’t white but were pictured.

  • http://selfaudit.blogspot.com Aaman

    I didn’t quite understand that last comment

  • Nancy

    It’s really only been in the past generation or so that non-whites have been accorded celebrity status, so their photos/images have been available to the masses (that’s me) to be familiar with them – at least in the US. I mean, think of most of the list of royalties most famous in ‘history': they’re all english or french. Unless they specialize, most Westerners are totally ignorant of, say, the rulers of India or China or Japan.

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    True, Hollywood studios did all they could to keep Dorothy Dandridge and Lena Horne, for example, away from mass exposure — but they are known. (I just remembered that Ms. Horne is still alive, so should not have been included.) Dandridge, in particular, collapsed under the weight of it all; she was a tragic beauty.

  • Nancy

    That’s what I mean; I’ve been trying to think of non-white celebrities that are also physically pretty, but the ones I’m most enamored of – Sojourner Truth, Harriet Tubman – had far more spiritual beauty than physical. Who took pictures of beautiful Indians or handsome Chinese, until relatively recently, which is a great loss. Yes, Ms. Dandridge was lovely by any standards.

  • Nancy

    The closest I can get is thinking of some of the portraits of the old First Nations chiefs, some of those guys were 1st-class cuties. Ah – Sequoia. If his picture is at all accurate, HE was a looker.

  • http://none.com Bob A. Booey

    Somehow this has turned into a Star Trek episode on whom to abduct:

    “These are all attractive humans.”

    Only aliens constantly refer to PEOPLE as HUMANS. Syndicated columnist Kathleen Parker (whom I normally don’t like very much) wrote a hilarious piece before the 2004 election about Ralph Nader’s space alien stump speeches where he kept referring to what “human beings need” and how he cared about “human beings.”

    Sequoia? Hot?

    Somehow, this has become one of the funniest topics ever on BlogCritics. It should be retitled “Which Dead Humans I Want to Clone Most for Alien Breeding.”

    That is all.

  • Eric Olsen

    I totally vote for pretty people with foreign-sounding names

  • Duane

    Why don’t you start a list about the hottest TV moms and dads? Eric O hit on someting up there about Elizabeth Montgomery, burning hot sexuality disguised as perkiness. Mmm-hmm! My favorite TV mom is Shirley Partridge. Check her out in Elmer Gantry. Good Christ Almighty. I wasn’t fooled for a minute by that level-headed kid-raising housecleaning smiling backup singer sensible shoes Partridge Mom stuff for a minute.

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    Just saw a series of photographs of Peter Jennings that reminded me that aside from his talent, intelligence and achievements, the late journalist was one gorgeous human.

  • http://www.bobice-bolieve.blogspot.com Jewels

    Here’s two oldie-but-goodies. Did I see Robert Mitchum on the list? MMMmmm, mmm. He had a great sexy everything. Let’s see, anyone heard of William Powell? In an atypical way he was hot too! Something about the way he talked, nice lips. I love old movies, enjoy him in “Mr. Peabody and the Mermaid” (I have this one in my little collection). Fun little flick. He made smoking a cig. look sexy.

  • Duane

    James Dean — women like the cigarette prop and forthright look, a brooder, which means he’s deep and really good in the sack

    Myrna Loy — face too round

    Marlon Brando — women go for the outcast T-shirt I’m pissed thing, brutal in the sack, but too quick, doesn’t give a shit about pleasing women

    Ava Gardner — yes, indeed

    Albert Camus — see Bobabooey’s comments, great conversationalist, lousy in the sack because he can’t stop thinking about shit

    Lee Miller — too much nose

    Clark Gable — a wonderful date, very witty, pretty good in the sack, but not quite as good as women expect

    Tuesday Weld — too much forehead, put Lana Turner here

    Elvis Presley — what the hell, he’s Elvis for chrissakes, prone to several fetishes in the sack, might not be your cup o’ tea ladies, but then …

    Anais Nin — certainly intriguing, very cool to be hanging around with a French writer of erotica, if you’re American, not pretty but very exotically good in the sack, by candlelight of course

    River Phoenix — sure, perfect in a Deppish sort of way, not too bright, no further comments

    Anne Sexton — too Mommish looking

    Margaux Hemingway — she lisps, and those eyebrows must go, cool last name, a tough call

  • http://www.dorksandlosers.com Tan The Man

    If James Dean was good in the sack, then I missed out.

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    What does beauty, conventional or the more interesting variety, have to do with being good in bed? Apples and pomegranates.

  • Duane

    What, did I stray too far off topic? I won’t let it happen again. But I think the word “sexiest” in the sub-heading tends to imply something about sex. Just a guess.

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    My bad, Mr. Duane. I locked on to the notion of “beauty” rather than “sexy.” Then again, I am celibate, so sex isn’t part of my purview. That said, there are plenty of humans a lot of people find sexy who are godawful in the sack.

  • http://adamantsun.blogspot.com Steve S

    I wonder if people really used to have sex in sacks.

  • http://none.com Bob A. Booey

    Duane’s well within his rights. Being “sexy” means whether you’d wanna bang em or not.

    “Face too round” was funny.

    Anais Nin would be horrible in bed. Writers are usually horrible sexually, especially those who write about sex. Think about it: writing is abstraction. People who write about sex are divorced from the experience of their bodies and would rather relegate sexuality to the world of ideas and intellect. Sex is animal instinct and spontaneity, non-verbal communication with your body. Writers try to understand everything through words — sex is not meant to be understood, chickies, but experienced.

    Ava Gardner was beautiful, but probably too beautiful to dare soil herself with filthy acts. Strictly missionary.

    Margaux Hemingway, on the other hand, was probably great in bed because she was unstable and crazy.

    Tuesday Weld looks like a good bang, just by her picture. That was before I even read about her drug and alcohol problems. That girl looks eager to please, with the fake blonde hair and sad eyes.

    Brando would so be better in bed than James Dean. Brando’s a brute. James Dean is frail and thin and sensitive. James Dean would probably be a selfish lover, like Brando, but not as forceful. Clark Gable would be the one who did everything you wanted.

    I feel a little gay after writing that. Was it a little gay to read as well, humans?

    That is all.

  • http://none.com Bob A. Booey

    I’m really confused now and I know this won’t get me back on her good side, but:

    A) Married to a man, with kids
    B) Lesbian
    C) Celibate?

    It’s gotta be the human cloning project thing or something.

    Who on this thread is good in the sack and who’s bad? Discuss.

    That is all.

  • Duane

    That said, there are plenty of humans a lot of people find sexy who are godawful in the sack.

    Ain’t it the truth? The weird thing is that the people who are perceived as sexy get so much practice at it that you would think they would learn to improve their sacks skills. Except Brando. He wouldn’t give a shit. He would just sneer at the idea.

  • http://adamantsun.blogspot.com Steve S

    you mean good in a bad way, and bad in a good way, or good in a good way and bad in a bad way?

  • http://stolenpony.blogspot.com Jones Violet

    Steve S that is so funny. I was wondering the same thing. How did that saying getting started?

  • http://adamantsun.blogspot.com Steve S

    probably by the people having sex in sacks.

  • http://none.com Bob A. Booey

    Let me rephrase:

    Who in this discussion can bang and who would be boring?

    That is all.

  • Duane

    Bobabooey, after reading you analysis of Anais Nin, I have to admit that you’re probably right. Good call. I disagree with your analysis of Ava Gardner, however, for no particular reason. As far as the men’s prowess in the sack, I’ve already exceed my recommended daily allowance of gayness (not there’s anything … oh, nevermind), so I abstain.

    Time to go oil up my power saw, have a couple of beers, and cut down some shit.

  • Shark

    I like the list — for no other reason than it’s all dead people in black and white. Show’s a hint of knowledge re. cultural… uh.. Hollowood history.

    Booey, yer knowledge of what appeals to women is lacking: Camus is sexy precisely because of his brain (and his coversation!) — For most women, COVERSATION is considered FOREPLAY.

    BTW: your analysis of various males stars’ performances in bed was just a bit too good. Yer gay, right?

    Shark’s List:

    Sophia Loren
    Bridgette Bardot

  • gonzo marx

    no Vivian Leigh?

    no Erroll Flynn?

    someone said Bruce Lee, but missed Brandon?

    no Garbo?

    just sticking to the dead folks…soOOOooooo many more

    Excelsior!

  • http://none.com Bob A. Booey

    Sharky poo, I love ya, but the generation gap between us has never been greater.

    Bridgette Bardot?

    Sophia Loren was hot back in the day, though, I’ll give you that.

    Men and women don’t talk anymore, at least not hot ones. I talk just as much as I need to get the sex going, but interpreting the The Plague isn’t sexy to any hot girl these days.

    Brando’s a top, James Dean is a bottom. Steve knows what I’m talking about.

    I’m gay like Hef is gay :) Did you know he puts on gay porn while he gets all those Playmates? True story. My women don’t seem to like the gay porn though.

    I’m all man.

    That is all.

  • http://stolenpony.blogspot.com Jones Violet

    Shark, Sophia Loren should definitely be up there. Not sure how I missed her.

    “Camus is sexy precisely because of his brain”

    Yep….and that damn cigarette of his.

  • http://none.com Bob A. Booey

    I’m hella gay for Sartre and his googly eye. What a turn-on!

    That is all.

  • Shark

    Aaman, how ’bout the sexiest woman alive?

    two words, babe:

    Urmila Matondkar

  • http://selfaudit.blogspot.com Aaman

    She is – and Ash

    Coming soon: posts on the hot Bollywood babes (and brawny dudes)

  • Jewels

    Angelina Jolie, now as a woman I could still get excited about her! Since the discussion turned to live ‘humans’, (you’re right Bobba, does sound like alien-speak.) I had to bring up my woman-crush.

  • http://adamantsun.blogspot.com Steve S

    BAB, I know you mean well, so I just want to point something out and then move on.

    In when asked if you were gay, your response went along the line of:

    I’m all man.

    Just think about it, that’s all I’m sayin.

  • Shark

    Booey: “Men and women don’t talk anymore, at least not hot ones…”

    …which means foreplay is a lost art among you and your contemporaries.

    (another difference between our “age groups”, Booey: we fuck with our brains, yall think with your dicks.)

    ===========

    re: Aaman’s “hot Bollywood babes”

    mmmmmmm, yummmmmyyyyyyyy…

  • gonzo marx

    Fowl!!

    penalty..Steve S for hitting directly below the belt…personal foul …15 yards, repeat first “down”

    side note: you know the difference between being kinky and being perverted?

    being kinky you use a feather…

    being perverted you use the whole chicken…

    i’m just sayin’

    Excelsior!

  • http://adamantsun.blogspot.com Steve S

    you know the difference between being kinky and being perverted?

    yes, perverted is kinky with a guilty conscious.

  • http://none.com Bob A. Booey

    Shark: It’s all about the Ashwarya Rai.

    Angelina Jolie — now there’s a woman. Jewels would so show up to that 3some, wouldn’t ya, Jewels? But I don’t think I’d want to share Angelina. Jewels can be the camerawoman and protect me in case Angelina tries to cut me for blood.

    Steve, Steve :) You know I’m kidding. But good catch. Keep me honest, my friend.

    That is all.

  • Jewels

    Filming would be fun too. Actually I think Brad got her over that blood thing. Brad Pitt, man, he was SO HOT in Troy! All about those arms and abs. I think I have to watch that tonight. Who did the post about women being turned on by mental stimulation? That is a Man who probably can please his woman…

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    Oh goodness, Brad Pitt is *so* not hot. He and that Jolie human deserve each other.

  • http://www.dorksandlosers.com Tan The Man

    He’s more hunky…

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    I don’t even consider him a hunk. He looked pretty attractive in Thelma and Louise, but aside from that, I don’t see why people are so enamored of him — particularly since the revelation of his missing sensitivity chip.

  • Duane

    Good Lord, I must be getting old. What is the difference between hunky and hot?

    Also, my wife is nuts about certain rock stars, and I don’t mean because of their music. I don’t get it. What’s the deal with being attracted to:

    Dave Grohl (Foo Fighters)
    Marilyn Manson (Marilyn Manson)
    Trent Reznor (Nine Inch Nails)
    David Bowie (you know)

    plus

    Jake Gyllenhall (sp?) (the Donnie Darko guy)

    Opinions please?

  • http://adamantsun.blogspot.com Steve S

    hunky is hot plus 25 lbs.

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    Prayers for all those suffering or dead from eating disorders thanks to ridiculous societal standards of “attractiveness”…

  • http://none.com Bob A. Booey

    Brad Pitt is a hot chick, a hunky broad, a pretty dude. You can’t really begrudge him like you could with Billy Bob because those two are so pretty they probably belong together. Bill Maher had it right when he said it’s like the quarterback dating the head cheerleader in high school — you can’t really be like “How’d HE get her?”

    Angelina thinks I’m hotter, though. I’m more concerned about refugees and stuff too.

    All great rock frontmen are androgynous, from their voices to their thin, small physiques.

    Dave Grohl deserves the women because he’s a cool, funny guy.

    Manson deserves women because he’s super-intelligent, even if his music isn’t. He tends to like the artsy goth chicks, so at least he’s consistent.

    Bowie’s weird, but he’s always defined cool. He’s the coolest of the 60-something rock geezers for sure and has always been very involved with fashion.

    Trent’s not sexy, but he’s an artist.

    Jake Gyllenhall is an ugly dweeb. He’s made a couple of OK movies and he and his little circle of New York smart kid actor party boys and girls seem nice, but there’s no way he’d be a movie star in any other era. He’s average-looking.

    Sharky poo: get some Viagra or something, my old friend. Then you’ll be able to use your junk instead of your mind again. Women like being mentally stimulated, it’s true, but that’s no replacement for the good hard banging that all you broads want and so richly deserve, if you’re hot. Don’t let anyone lie to you and say the brain is the most important sexual organ — your mind isn’t enough and talking certainly won’t get it done.

    Natalie: please lighten up, human. When did the aliens abduct your sense of humor? What would Bill Hicks say about the new Natalie Davis?

    That is all.

  • http://www.bobice-bolieve.blogspot.com Jewels

    Bobba, you so have a point about Natalie; sweetness, we all see that you are brilliant, but true brilliance scintillates with humor too. Teletart is a prime example. Complete: smart, funny all that. It’s OK to see the ‘lighter side’ now and again. Stop proving Bobba’s point with the ‘alien-speak’. You said you were celebate? I think you need to re-consider that…
    Bobba, you leave that Sharky-guy alone, he is right on target to the female ‘zone’.
    Dave Grohl; please. He had the audacity to (out of jealousy I am sure, I mean look at him, tho- I do like the Foo…) to cut down Bo Bice. That is one SEXY piece of manhood AND talent.

  • Duane

    No … please … Jewels. Another bubble bursts. Now you’ve gone and done it. You’re driving a wedge between us. Dave Grohl jealous of Beau Bryce?! Hehe. I doubt that very much.

    But you’ve touched on something. If Beau looked like Joe Jackson, he wouldn’t have stood a chance on the Ted Mack’s American Idle Hour About Contriving Stars and Stuff show, would he?

  • http://www.bobice-bolieve.blogspot.com Jewels

    Duane, ahem, you mean BO BICE. I think Dave G.’s beef is with the complete sexiness of the Bo – man. It’s sort of like Bobba’s fascination with the Dick Cheney ‘story’. *smooch to all*
    Please don’t let Dave come between us… I beg you!

  • http://none.com Bob A. Booey

    I’m not fascinated by the Dick Cheney thing, I hate it. It’s icky and stupid. I’ll spank you :)

    Why is your blog about Bo and not me? Is he a bigger Bo-Stud? I’m more adorable, aren’t I?

    Shark and I are fine. He’s artsy and in touch with his girly emotions like that :) We’re gonna run a train on Sophia Loren later. He’ll handle the foreplay and I got the rest covered.

    That is all.

  • http://www.bobice-bolieve.blogspot.com Jewels

    Bobba, so you do like older women? Sophia Loren, good choice of fantasy material but I don’t know how she’d really feel about the ‘train’ part. Besides with Sharky’s smooooth mooovves, she may be ‘done’ before you arrive.
    Regarding Bo, no words describe. *dreamy sigh*

  • Shark

    Jewels, what are you doing later?

    I want to talk and listen to you –over a bottle of champagne

    while sitting in the bathtub

    listening to the Brandenburg Concertos.

    All…

    night….

    long……….

    [heh. see how an ‘older’ guy does it, Bobby?]

  • Jewels

    Sharky, Powerful, that’s what I’m talkin’ about. *deep sigh* you are so sexy. I think you are my new fav on this site. (Sorry I left for a while but real life called… )

  • http://stolenpony.blogspot.com Jones Violet

    Jewels and Shark, should I reserve the two of you a room somewhere?

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    Ms. Richardson, just because my sense of humor may not dovetail with that of certain others does not mean I am lacking one. Anyone who actually knows me knows this to be true — you, like most here, are strangers, so it is understandable that you would not know that. Mileage varies on the funny.

    But I won’t apologize for the fact that the notion of poking fun at people because of their size doesn’t strike me as a gutbuster. It is cruel and unconscionable, period. I have dealt with too many eating disordered people, some of whom are no longer living. I also have my own issues in this area. Not funny. And it takes no intelligence to make fun of people just because they don’t live up to mainstream society’s unreasonable, inhumane, and sometimes deadly standard.

  • http://adamantsun.blogspot.com Steve S

    Natalie, are you referring to my ‘hunky equals hot plus 25 lbs’ joke? That doesn’t make fun of overweight people at all.

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    Actually, Steve, that is one of the things I have seen on BC that upset me. What struck me about that statement is that someone is less “hot” because of an additional 25 pounds, not that it poked fun at overweight people, per se. Seriously, statements like that can and do have really bad effects on some people. The notion that thinness makes someone hot is just repugnant, IMO.

    Have to address something really off-putting that Ms. Richardson that I just noticed, when she criticized me for my choice of verbiage. Ms. Richardson, I use the words I want. My purpose here is neither to conform for conformity’s sake or to be one of the “cool crowd.” I witnessed quite enough of that kind of thing in high school and didn’t fall for it then. To thine own self be true. “Human” is a perfectly acceptable and appropriate word. If it sounds alien to you, that’s the way it goes, I fear. As for your friend, his opinion doesn’t matter at all to me.

  • http://www.magicjunk.com/blog/ Mark Sahm

    Hot plus 25 is good if it’s balanced in the right curvatures.

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    Indeed. For many, hot plus 25 is even hotter. Healthy is hot.

  • http://www/bobice-bolieve.blogspot.com Jewels

    Ms. Davis, sweetness; I AM new to posting here but have been following for a while. I am a BIG fan of you and what you are about. I know my current creds here are merely a blogsite about BO BICE, (fluff, fluff stuff) but I have developed a concern about your intensity. I always try to find where you are and read your comments.
    Much Love.

  • http://www.magicjunk.com/blog/ Mark Sahm

    Her name ain’t sweetness. It’s Natalie, Ms. Davis if you’re nasty! :o)

    Sorry I couldn’t resist. I will go jump from a moving car full of hot dead humans now. Good night.

    P.S. Anais Nin is so not hot.

  • http://ww.bobice-bolieve.blogspot.com Jewels

    Hello Mark Sahm. Why do you feel the need to say she ‘ain’t’ “sweetness”. Something about her and her postings brought that to mind some time back. I have been baffled all evening with the ‘human’ talk. Goodnight, my hubby wants to have relations now. As usual.

  • http://www.magicjunk.com/blog/ Mark Sahm

    It was a Janet Jackson reference, Jewels. Nasty Boys. Or at least that’s what this room full of women are telling me. Feel better?

  • http://selfaudit.blogspot.com Aaman

    The mastication of the English language is always an entertaining sight

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    Some people are intense. C’est la vie. If that is unacceptable to you, then I suppose it’s unacceptable. I yam what I yam. And creds, schmeds. You have as much right to say what you wish as anyone. There may be some hierarchy here, but I am not part of it.

    Mr. Sahm, that’s hilarious; thanks for the giggle. But nastiness is not the criteria, it’s friendship. “Friend” is not a title I toss around loosely, being outside of and less than enthralled with the dominant culture.

  • http://adamantsun.blogspot.com Steve S

    sorry if you were offended, Natalie. It was not said with the intent of disparaging the word hunky or those that are hunky. It is a complimentary word.

  • http://adamantsun.blogspot.com Steve S

    think about it, if hunky = hot plus 25 lbs. then hunky is still hot right? It’s not insulting.

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    What I get out of your comment is that hunky is good, but hot is better. I refuse to accept that someone is necessarily better looking or more desirable because they are thinner. No worries, Steve dear, I know you didn’t intend to say something hurtful. Problem is, words have power. I just finished my third article on the subject of eating disorders, so it’s forefront in my mind right now.

    Truth is, the dominant society is sick, twisted, and cruel, and people die trying to conform to its ridiculous dictates. Imagine a young person reading your comment and seeing it as justification that she is unworthy or undeserving of the title of “hot” merely because she doesn’t fit society’s unreasonable and narrow range of acceptability (the one foisted upon us using airbrushed and, often, eating-disordered models). I mean, there were people on another thread implying American Idol singer Carrie Underwood — who is alive, lovely, and hot — isn’t thin enough. The very notion is crazy and disgusting. More importantly, it is dangerous.

  • http://adamantsun.blogspot.com Steve S

    I understand what you are saying about societal expectations. There are plenty of plastic surgery episodes gone horribly bad and I always feel for them, for plastic surgery is nothing more than succumbing to peer pressure. I know what you are saying.

    But no, hunky is hot with 25 lbs but the weight isn’t a bad thing.

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    Peer pressure is also some poor shlub shedding 25 pounds they don’t need to shed so that they can be perceived as being hot rather than hunky.

  • Shark

    re. 25 lbs. hot, hunky, etc.

    BBW = “big beautiful women” = a universal abbreviation that occurs precisely because there are a few hundred million men out there who actually like women who look like women.

    (See “Renoir portraits” for more… or Google “bbw xxx” in “Images” category… not that I’VE EVER done that…)

    Thanks,
    Silver-backed Alpha Shark

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    Right. Well, my point is that being a BBW or BBM and being hot are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

  • http://none.com Bob A. Booey

    I have no idea what’s happening in this discussion anymore, maybe because I’m not in the best state of mind. I see Shark has got his groove back, but that the Bo Bice woman is married?

    As for the question asked to me, Sophia Loren 35 years ago maybe. No, I don’t like older women, unless you’re talking 28 year-olds.

    Steve: do not apologize at all for Natalie being hyper-sensitive to your comments. Eating disorders are a tragedy, yes, and the images in the media are often unfair. But it’s also true that there are psychological issues that need to be addressed that make people (male and female) susceptible to life-threatening eating disorders. Body dysmorphia, for example, is a psychological condition. Eating disorders are also linked with various psychological problems.

    There’s nothing wrong with saying that healthy people (both mentally and physically) should be encouraged to maintain fitness. This country has an epidemic of obesity, heart disease, adult-onset Type II diabetes, and cancer as a result of a society that is, if anything, too lax about what it puts in its piehole. Food is only dangerous if people are psychologically incapable, for whatever reason, of managing it. Food (or the avoidance of it) is only a crutch or emotional outlet for people with very poor coping mechanisms for other issues and trauma.

    The reality too is that eating disorders are almost non-existent outside the developed world. Why? Because when food is scarce, people don’t view food as pleasure, an indulgence. Improper relationships to food and your body are largely luxuries of narcissistic, wealthy nations. Yes, I’m equally narcissistic in suggesting women do their best to look attractive for me. But the better way to put that is that obesity and eating disorders are two sides of the same improper relationship to diet and consumption in America and that there’s nothing wrong with encouraging healthier lifestyles.

    Saying someone should lose weight does NOT mean that we’re suggesting they develop an eating disorder. It’s suggesting that they eat responsibly and exercise. It’s sort of begging the question to view all health and diet issues through the lens of eating disorders.

    I thank you for your good work with young women, Natalie, and I can understand why you’re sensitive about these issues. I don’t think making fat jokes drives people to anorexia, however. It might make fat people feel bad about their lives, which is bad, but it’s not the reason women starve to death or binge and purge.

    How many of us do you really, honestly think were in the “cool crowd” in high school? I sure wasn’t.

    Anyone else think the new Natalie Davis seems awfully stressed out?

    Speaking of which, I have to pass out already. I expect a heated discussion to read when I awake later today.

    That is all.

  • http://adamantsun.blogspot.com Steve S

    for my part, the title of the thread, which is NOT my own, is ‘of Hunks and Babes’, so ‘hunk’ of which ‘hunky’ falls in line with, is a compliment. To be hot with 25 more pounds of meat is a good thing to a guy.

    Hunky is a complimentary term, HUSKY is not.

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    Jeff Bridges = hunk

  • Nancy

    Getting back to deceased hot people, I have to say I do NOT think Brando is sexy. My personal persnicktyness, but I don’t get turned on by sweaty, surly people in dirty undershirts, & I don’t like brutal in anybody. Don’t like Gable either: that stupid little moustache & jug ears – & yeah, his face is too round. Erroll Flynn (sp?) was pretty. Rudolph Valentino. Kamehaha I (if historical pictures are correct) was very studly, tattooing & all. & yeah – you ever scoped out those portraits of Sequoia? Brains & good looks. Vy nice, but probably too cerebral for those just looking for a roll in the hay. Black Hawk & son, Whirling Thunder, early 19th-c. Sac chiefs [portraits in Tulsa’s Gilcrease Inst.]. Well, I’m trying to get some variety in here, for pete’s sake, besides dead white male movie stars! This IS about clonable pretty deceased humans, after all, so stop laughing.

  • Nancy

    And Brando’s nose is too big…but being totally a pig, if you put a bag over his head, the rest of him is very nice, if you bathe it & put on clean clothes. Or leave them off.

  • Duane

    Brando could not care less about what you think, Nancy. He will still score. He lights up a cigarette, then sneers in your general direction.

    Are you talking about Native Americans? Were they in any B&W movies? Are you going way back in history? If so, then there were some pretty hot Babylonian chicks that I’m going to put on my list.