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So, that was kind of historic.

Having just wrapped up BC's election night liveblog, it dawned on me that the traffic may have paled in comparison to that of BC Politics' live blog of the third presidential nominee debate, but 50 years from now, there's no question what event we'll remember. (The debate, of course!)

Did I help him? Probably not. My vote went to Libertarian candidate Bob Barr. Perhaps I can squeeze out some credit by claiming a vote for Barack Obama in the primaries, but I won't. More to the point, even Obama might assert that every single voter — even his opponents — made this historic night possible, because they believed in the democratic process. Maybe to some extent, those who didn't vote are also somehow a large part of making this moment possible. Hell, perhaps you just had to be born and alive on November 4, 2008 to get a share of the credit.

The election of Barack Obama to President of the United States is genuflected by every American's thought process today compared to, say, 10 years ago. For example, today, one of my best friends is Indian-American. That's just something I would never have thought was possible (or even desirable) when I was growing up in white suburban Sylvania, Ohio. And it wasn't until tonight that this perspective registered in my head. Heck, now I'm jealous that I'm not a minority. Stupid sunburn-prone skin.

Up until about 10 p.m. EST on Tuesday night, I thought of Senator Obama as just another presidential candidate I admired, didn't agree with, and conceded would probably be the next president. It wasn't until the West coast polls closed and the cable channels screen-wiped in unison their projections that, oh sweet buttery fuck, the next president's going to be 50 percent black. Maybe that's more important than "I disagree with him about foreign policy." Because if, as evidenced by his acceptance speech, the election of him is bigger than Obama, then the national and global impact is way bigger than my own problems with his policies and ideas.

The Internet vibrations around here have been largely positive, even by BC's own Dave Nalle, who I thought would have collected all duct tape and bottled water in the greater Austin area by now. He commented on the live blog comments, "Obama's speech was pretty good. On the right track. Let's see how long it takes for the large and hate-filled element of his party to drag him down. If he can resist their pull and put Pelosi and her allies in their place he could achieve greatness." Sure, it's not a glowing endorsement, but … Dave Nalle said that. Dave fucking Nalle! This Dave Nalle! That's about as high of an approval as you'll get from him.

Likewise, comments were coming from Obama supporters about the moving, endearing concession speech by John McCain, the same guy who was, by all measurements, their biggest fear as president. Excuse me, but did a reverse mojo hatred bomb explode in the underpants of a collective nation? Wait, what just happened tonight? And why? Who knows. Rather, who cares. The point, I think, is that it happened.

Remember tonight and how it felt to watch that guy get elected. If you don't remember — or if you dozed off — here's a reminder, spoken by the man who needs to work his ass off to uphold the purity of this night more than anyone:

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  • Arch Conservative

    Yes it’s great that we’ve progressed to the point where a black man (half black) can be elected. It’s greatly cathartic for a nation that once practiced the enslavement of blacks.

    However if he performs poorly are we going to tolerate it when those who criticize his performance are called racists Matthew? If he does well will the racists out there give him credit?

    I understand the passionate antipathy toward Bush that propelled Obama into office. What I don’t understand is how any reasonable, rational person can speak of Obama or any man for that matter in the messianic terms that have been used during this campaign.

    This campaign has given me new perspective on the leadership of the horny hillbilly from Hope. Bill Clinton is undoubtedly a scumbag but he was a centrist scumbag who had the good sense to govern from the middle and stay out of the way when he saw a good thing going on in the private Scott with the .com boom.

    Right now I am in a holding pattern on Obama. He has promised us everything but the sun and the moon. He can’t possibly deliver. But if he can at least resist the temptation to cozy up to fascists like Pelosi who want the federal government to micromanage every aspect of our lives as they try to advance thier uber left wing agenda then he will probably be acceptable to millions who did not vote for him. If he cannot then it’s my sincere hope that those American citizens will turn on him like a pack of wild rabid dogs who want nothing more than to tear the flesh off of his bones.

    That’s as magnanimous as I’m going to get regarding Barry. He’s either going govern as a moderate centrist Democrat or an uber leftist trying to remake the entire fabric of our American society in four years. The balls in his court.

  • Zedd

    Mathew,

    Thank you.

    I’ve cried so many times. The acknowledgement keeps reoccurring and I get startled all over again. I keep sobbing. This is real. I want to stop but all these memories just keep streaming, the feeling of helplessness, so many faces, those that are no longer, my Dad and his dream for this America, all of their hopes and their stories. Cognitively I know its real, this however is another reality. I’ll be able to asses it on another day

    Right now, thank you Lord! Thank you for loving me enough to let me and my children have this day.

  • http://www.futonreport.net/ Matthew T. Sussman

    “However if he performs poorly are we going to tolerate it when those who criticize his performance are called racists Matthew?”

    Then that would be bad. Worse than anyone criticizing Bush being painted as a hippie liberal.

  • http://marksaleski.com Mark Saleski

    what’s wrong with hippie liberals?

  • http://www.futonreport.net/ Matthew T. Sussman

    Primarily the dependence on welfare. Also: the smell.

  • Cindy D

    “damn hippies”

  • Baronius

    There’s one thing that I don’t get. Aren’t there any black people who feel embarrassed that this guy is representing them? That the first president who looks like them is a novice who ran a dishonorable campaign?

    This is my little bit of perspective. I’m a Catholic, born and raised, also something that I rediscovered as an adult. It’s the most important thing in my life. It’s not at petty as what I look like; it’s who I want to be. We’ve only had one Catholic president in this country, and he was shot in the head (one to four times, depending on who you ask). This is more than a threat or a security concern, like Obama has experienced. Kennedy died. His brother ran for the presidency, and he died.

    Do I feel any pride that we have our first Catholic vice president-elect? No. Because the guy is a jerk.

    So what I’m wondering is, why aren’t people looking at the content of Obama’s character, rather than the color of his skin?

  • http://www.futonreport.net/ Matthew T. Sussman

    Because looking at skin color and saying “no” is bad, looking at skin color and saying “sure, why not” IS looking at character. Stepping back and saying “wow, we just elected a black man” isn’t putting more emphasis on race over substance.

    His supporters will probably disagree with you about liking him and his character and his ideas and stances.

  • bliffle

    “Obama’s Presidency Really Makes A White Guy Think”

    Yes, sometimes it’s a novel experience.

    Archie and Baronius could use a little of that.

    [Bliffle, please don’t change people’s user names, lest you get sent on holiday…]

  • Zedd

    Baronius,

    “So what I’m wondering is, why aren’t people looking at the content of Obama’s character, rather than the color of his skin?”

    Your question is a bit 7th gradish but maybe you can get some help. Here goes….

    The point is that character has not been the issue that we are judged on. Even in this case, your friends have been talking about his being a Muslim or not wearing a flag pin. Those are not issues that relate to him at all, let alone his character. We live with strange distortions regarding who we are. We learn how to maneuver past them. You post them regularly. The fact that right now, with all of the distortions, MANY chose him on merit is a huge deal.

  • Clavos

    Character is not necessary to become POTUS:

    George Bush
    Richard Nixon

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Dishonorable, Baronius? What on earth was dishonorable about it? And I think most people DID vote for him on character. And temperment and intelligence and vision and judgment. At least all the people I know who worked for him and voted for him did. NOT because he was black but because of all those other things and because they liked what he stood for and where he stands on most of the issues and they thought he brought Americans together instead of continuing to rend them asunder.

  • Baronius

    What was dishonorable about it? All the lies and distortions and evasions and broken promises and race-baiting and personal attacks. We noticed.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    By Obama? You must be joking.

  • Baronius

    L, I honestly think you believe that Obama took the high road. That’s the biggest tragedy of the election. The Dems can wail on us, but if we swing back it’s “swiftboating”. Obama can call for more patriotism, but if we did that we’d be calling him un-American. Every question about Obama’s past was a right-wing attack, but every rumor about Palin’s family was vetting.

    We’re conceding the election, but your side can’t even concede 2000. There will be legitimate investigations of voting fraud claims over the next few years, and it’ll be settled. We won’t tell our children bed-time stories about voting-machine ogres. And we won’t loot and vandalize the White House on our way out.

  • http://www.futonreport.net/ Matthew T. Sussman

    All right now. 2000 was years ago. Eight, I think.

    Also, Obama didn’t have to make any smears. He had several users on the Internet do that for him — the very same resource that generated a lot of his campaign dollars. If he did indirectly tell other people to sling the mud, which is hard to prove, then that’s just mad election ninja skillz.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    OMG, Baronius. You think Obama is going to loot and vandalize the white house because he’s black? What on earth are you saying?

    Sarah Palin’s family was castigated by the popular press NOT Obama nor his campaign.

    He personally and his campaign DID take the high road, while McCain personally and Palin personally and their campaign advisors slung so much dirt and filth and hate and muck it was scary.

    But, hey, we won in spite of the ugliness, so most of it just didn’t stick. The “rumors” that the robocalls loved to whisper remained just that. The frenzy that Palin wanted to whip up didn’t catch fire.

    We have that much to be grateful for. And I am. That decency prevailed and that reason prevailed and that people of all races and ages and socioeconomics got together and put together an effort to finally elect someone they really cared about, that they finally voted FOR someone instead against the lesser of two evils.

    For too many years the Republicans hijacked the concept of patriotism. I am glad we have taken it back and given it new meaning. I truly hope that all we worked so hard to get him elected and all the new and interested voters will stay interested and involved in our government and give back to their country when asked. Greed is gone, I hope, and goodness and kindness and giving back is back.

    Ask not what your country can do for you, a man once said, but what you can do for your country. THAT is what Obama once again represents to those who voted for him.

  • Clavos

    You think Obama is going to loot and vandalize the white house because he’s black?

    No, but the Clintons sure tried to. They were stopped, and made to return a number of historic pieces of the nation’s property.

  • Zedd

    Lisa,

    It’s hopeless. It won’t sink in. You know by the questions that “there’s nobody home”. You have it a go.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    I know, Zedd. You are right. I am outta here for now. Thanks for the knock on the head:)

  • Cannonshop

    He’s your president, Lisa. I will give unto him all the respect, admiration, and just as much a chance as your side gave Bush in January of 2001.

    And not one second more.

  • Baronius

    Clavos, thanks. You know, if people think that I’m a racist because of my comment about looting and vandalizing, then there’s really no point in talking to them. They’re ignorant of recent political history. But it still breaks my heart.

    I don’t think of Obama as black. I don’t think of him as half-white or half-black. I think of him as spectacularly unqualified for the job. I think of him as a member of a party that exhibits the same mental illness as comment #17. I think of him as a child who hides under the skirts of “racism”.

    It’s disgusting. It’s pathetic. It manipulates people, so that any criticism of a black guy is viewed as racially-motivated. Well, I’m not buying it. I’m not going to cower for four years. If you don’t know the stories of the Clinton staff’s petty vandalism, or of the Clintons’ furnishing of their own home with White House furniture, then look it up. And if you have so little respect for the correspondence that we’ve had for the past months – if you have so little respect for me – then [Personal Attack Deleted By Me, But I Can’t Think Of Any Other Way To End This Posting].

  • http://www.fontcraft.com Dave Nalle

    L, I honestly think you believe that Obama took the high road.

    Lisa demonstrated on a prior thread that she thinks that anyone who opposed Obama is a racist regardless of their reasoning.

    With that attitude the dialog cannot move forward and reasonable people will never reach mutual understanding.

    To begin a discussion you have to start by not automatically assuming the worst about your opposition.

    Dave

  • Clavos

    Cannon,

    Couldn’t have said it better myself.

    All this talk of “people of all races and ages and socioeconomics” getting together implies that this was a near unanimous and universal acclamation, when in point of fact, the Popular vote total tabulated so far is 120M, with Obama receiving 62.8M, and McCain 55.6M (52.3%-46.4%). IOW, nearly 57M voters did NOT vote for Obama.

  • Baronius

    I dunno, Cannon. I sympathize with the frustration, and apparently I’m not the only one who remembers the 2001 transition, but I’m not going to go around denying Obama’s legitimacy as President. The guy won. You don’t get anything for second most electoral votes anymore. Besides, if you remember the way Bush was treated in 2001, I don’t think you could generate that much contempt for Obama without making it your full-time job.

  • Cannonshop

    Well…that’s fifty seven million people who don’t have a place in Lisa’s world, because they’re “RAAACISTS!!!!”

    I’ll have a beer for every time one of Obama’s policies screw something up. Two if the screw-up kills some people, and a six-pack when it’s a LOT of people. A case or equivalent if a small American Ally goes the way of South Vietnam.

    I expect I’ll be drunk through the entire first four years of his administration. Blind drunk if he keeps his congress in place. (I know how to brew the stuff, I don’t need to buy it.)

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Hey, STOP.

    Your comment, Baronius, about looting the white house was completely out of line. Just because Clinton did it was no reason to say it of Obama. Completely out of line and you know it. Whatever our past correspondence. Unnecessary. Completely. It sounded completely out of context and absolutely ridiculous. What WAS your point? That EVERY democrat loots the white house? Get real.

    Give the guy a chance.

    And Dave and Clav, you are so wrong. My articles re racism cited polls and other information and news articles as well as information I got as a campaign worker… I raised questions about racism.

    Did some people NOT vote for him because of race?
    ABSOLUTELY. They said so.

    Did ALL people not vote for him because of race? ABSOLUTELY NOT. And I never said they did.

    You are both resorting to hyperbole for no good reason other than to mispresent me with innuendo for your own reasons.

    Privately Dave just told me he liked my most recent article. Now publicly he denounces me.

    Fine, I can take it.

    Clav, you have your own bone to pick.

    You did not know me when Bush was elected and whether I gave him a chance to hang himself or not.

    Be gracious. Why don’t you? FOr a change. Wouldn’t that frighten people!!!!

    Recognize what happened last night was astonishing. Obama won both the popular AND the electoral vote. He overcame smears, racism, and, just forty years after the civil rights movement, did what no one ever expected. Millions of people are stunned and happy. Others are disappointed, as always happens in a presidential race. But, still, this was an historic and important moment and always will be.

  • Franco

    Baronius, I read all your posts, all the interchanges, and all their misunderstanding of all most everthing you said. But I did not.

    I know you are not racist and I know I am not either. And it is they, who will have to finnally face this, we already have.

    Stick to your guns, your a class act and don’t forget it.

  • Baronius

    Lisa, I accept your apology. (OK, you didn’t do anything like apologize, but this is the only way I’m going to be able to move past this.)

    I was talking about the 2000 election, that many Democrats still deny their loss. I pointed out that Republicans in 2008 are better than that. We can’t be petty like Clinton and Gore and their supporters. I wasn’t talking about Obama looting and vandalizing the White House; I was speculating that Bush and his staff won’t loot and vandalize the White House.

    The point of my comments was a comparison between the transitions of 2001 and 2009. We’ll see if I’m right. I hope this clarifies things.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    It was all a little fuzzy. Truce, Baronius. Absolutely. I see now how it went. I’m really too exhausted at this point to be here.

    It all got mixed up with Dave and Clav and Cannon. Who got it all wrong. And so did I with you, Bar.

  • http://sothisisreallifehuh.blogspot.com Ariah

    Maybe it’s because I was born in the 80s, but I am not at all shocked that we’ll soon have a black president. Moving away from racism is the natural progression of a society founded on ideals such as “all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness…” Maybe it’s because I’m still young that I see hateful, despicable racist attitudes falling away overall, and America living up to its ideals more consistently. I hope that’s Obama’s idea of a perfect America (not one in which our focus is on what the federal or state governments must do on our behalf). I am happy we’ll soon have our first black president, but I’m not happy that it’s Obama.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    It IS because you were born in the 80s (as was my son) and I am glad you feel this way. For me, born in the 50s, it is a shock, as would a woman president be a shock (although I hope I live to see one!) I am glad of it, though, as I lived through the end of segregation and the civil rights movement and it doesn’t seem that long ago…

  • Clavos

    Lisa,

    I never mentioned anything about racism, or any other point except the sole one I made in comment #24: that the election was a far cry from a show of unanimity and unity, as you made it out to be in your #17. 57 million of us did NOT vote for Obama, and I’m sure countless thousands (maybe even millions) more refrained from voting at all.

    Your screed in #27 was incorrectly aimed at me, inasmuch as I never posted any of the statements for which you lambaste me.

    I can tell you unequivocally that neither I, nor anyone I know who did not vote for Obama refrained from doing so for any reason even remotely connected with racism. In fact, I would have voted for any conservative black man or woman in a heartbeat, and very much hope to be able to do so in a future election.

    So get off your high horse with me. It’s unbelievable how prickly you are with anyone who disagrees with you, and then turn around and rip people a new one for allegedly mistreating YOU.

    You and moon are two peas in a pod, only your language is less scatological.

  • Zedd

    Baronius,

    You are missing the fact that the first election that you referred to was contestable. This is a completely different situation. Completely. What in your reasoning made you think that it made sense to juxtapose the two events then claim graciousness on the part of Republicans.

    Lets try this….

    Scene 1: A guy is running from the scene of a crime. People are screaming that they have been robbed. He happens to be in possession of what the people are saying they were robbed of. He is also down the street from the mall.

    Scene 2: A guy walked out of a mall after having bout some items.

    Two very different situations. No one in scene 2 was robbed and so had no reason to be upset or suspect of anyone. In scene 1, the people were robbed and the guy running from the scene of the crime COULD be guilty and thus NEEDS to be questioned.

    Hope that helps.

  • Zedd

    Clavos,

    I think that focusing on this: “I can tell you unequivocally that neither I, nor anyone I know who did not vote for Obama refrained from doing so for any reason even remotely connected with racism” is completely sidesteps the IMPORTANT point. Many did refrain from voting for him because of his DNA. For some reason people assume that my family is Republican because of have long running evangelical ties. The e-mails that we got from Republicans were beyond appalling. A large segment of Americans is simply ill. They are so deeply lost Clav. They don’t see the world like you and I do. If we remain defensive by brushing the matter off and padding statements which highlight this ailment, we fail. It’s important as a patriot and a good person to acknowledge this cancer and simply speak out against it unequivocally without any tidying up.

  • Cannonshop

    Zedd, sixty two million people voted for Obama, the largest turnout of Black Minorities in forty years voted primarily for Obama. There IS no “Bradley Effect”, the turnout and the voting exceeded Poll predictions showing single-digit Obama wins.

    A LOT of that vote was solely based on his skin colour, Zedd-people wanted to be “historic”, and to show how “Open Minded” they are. People who don’t know their local representative, but can quote stats for a basketball or football team three states away voted for the first time in years to vote for Obama.

    YOu talk about all these awful e-mails you got from Republicans-I’m on several of their mailing lists, I didn’t get them…maybe I didn’t sign up on the right service or something? I got E-mails talking about how great things would be under McCain, and what a terrific gal Palin is…but I didn’t get the “Obama=Muslim Terrorists” e-mail.

    I guess if I’d signed up on Daily Kos or something…

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Sorry I included you, Clav.

    But I am nothing like you know who and you know it…. step back.

    There are millions who would disagree with you, including me, that this was a unifying election, despite those who did not vote for him. Race played a part both ways. It IS a good thing we got over the racial barrier.

    You say you would have voted for a conservative black man? I believe you, I do. But I don’t think the Republicans would have run one and I don’t think they will for years and years. Although, perhaps now that the barrier has been broken, they may think about it.

    And just because you and your educated intelligent friends were not moved by racism not to vote for Obama is no test group, Clav. You live in a rather rarified world, it is clear from some of your comments. Whatever you say about me, I do not. SmaLL town South is quite different from where you reside. I have lived in New England and Europe and I can see the difference.

    And working this election it was very clear that many of those I bumped up against (as I wrote about) were clearly unable to vote for him just because of his color.

  • Clavos

    Lisa,

    The honeymoon is yet to begin; Obama hasn’t even taken office yet. But when it ends (and it will) shortly after he does move into the WH, those tens of millions who didn’t vote for him will begin to flex their political muscles to oppose much of what he will try to do (if he actually does do what he said he’d do during the campaign); they voted for McCain because they were not in agreement with Obama’s plans; it’s a given they will oppose him.

    To say that an election in which the votes were split nearly in half is a unifying election is naive in the extreme.

    It is wishful thinking, nothing more.

    I know you’d love to see all Americans skipping hand in hand down the yellow brick road, singing Kumbaya together, but it ain’t going to happen.

    And that’s a good thing, because the presence of a loyal opposition is the only thing that keeps those in power honest.

    I too, have lived abroad, Lisa. In fact, I was born and raised abroad and grew up (and have remained) bicultural. Over the years, I have traveled to every region of the world, if not every country. The “rarified world” you say I live in is, to a great degree, multicultural and multi ethnic. Europe, while important historically, is not where the future of the world lies. Neither is the USA. The forces that will come to the fore to lead the world in the coming decades are to be found in the teeming masses in places like Latin America, the Indian subcontinent and Asia.

  • Zedd

    Cannon,

    I am confused by your reasoning.

    Are you saying:

    1. that people didn’t vote for McCain because he was the White guy in the race?

    2. people there were no people who did not vote for Obama because he was Black

    3. because Obama won, there were no people who said they’d vote for him but changed their minds because he is Black?

    4. because you didn’t recieve the same e-mails as I did that they don’t exist?

    5. saying that many did not vote for Obama because of his DNA is the same as saying “there was a Bradley Effect”.

    I’m curious what your news sources are. I am surprised that we are even having this discussion. You truly don’t know that Obama’s race was a distraction for many people? This is not intended to be a jab, you should honestly start shopping around for another news source. Where have you been.

    Voting for someone because of their attributes is not racist necessarily. If you are voting for a Black man because you are Black makes sense. It’s a constituency issue. He knows what it’s like to be Black, I’m Black, voila! Biden attract the blue collar voter because he comes from that class. Palin attracts White Christian females because she is one.

    This guy had to spend more money than anyone has ever spent, is one of the most educated to run, is running against a party with the lowest rated President in history. His race was not what got him elected. You missed a lot of things in your reasoning. There have been other Black people to run for the Presidency. Judging from the line up of all of the previous Presidents, I don’t think being Black is such a major pull. If being Black gets you elected, this event would be so historic.

    People felt good about voting for THIS Black man. But his being Black is not why they voted for him.

    Hope this clears things up for you.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Matt,

    The problem with your article is its premise. You Americans did not elect a “black” man, despite the heavy amounts of melanin in Obama’s skin. “Black” in the American context means being part of a minority dragged to your shores against its will centuries ago, enslaved and discriminated against, suffering rape, murder and constant humiliation almost wherever they went in your country. There is more to that identity, but I’m only addressing that part of it that a guilty white person (not necessarily you) would resonate with.

    So think about this. Obama, according to an article in one of the major newsweeklies about his mother some months ago (I had to read something in the doctor’s office that day), was essentially raised in Hawaii and Indonesia, absorbing the white end of the multicultural Hawaiian society. He moved to Illinois, and married a black woman, so he has been exposed to American black culture through his wife and church of 20 years, but in essence, he was what I was when I lived in the States – a first generation American raised on a variant of white culture. And he had, and still has powerful ties to his father’s homeland, Kenya. He is part Luo, part American, in other words. Don’t forget that tribal identity either, Matt. It is far more important to Obama than American “blackness” is. Blood is thicker than water, and it is certainly thicker than the melanin in one’s skin.

    In short, do not be fooled by what you see. Look more carefully, and ask the tougher questions. You may percieve you elected a “black” man, but in reality, you elected for a very well educated white man with black racial features who is the son of a foreigner.

    If he was indeed born in Hawaii, you voted in a first generation American. But you do not really know that either. None of us has seen a real birth certificate, and relatives of his insist he was born in Mombasa.

    But that is a debate for another day.

  • http://www.futonreport.net/ Matthew T. Sussman

    Fine, we elected the most melaninated human in history to be President.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Clav, What I am hoping is that Obama (who won 52 to 46 percent of the popular vote) will be able to bring a good many of those doubters into the fold with policy choices that make sense to them once they see them rather than hear them through the filter of the McCain/Palin machine. He says he wants ideas from both sides and it would be nice if people weren’t so dug in that they could give him a chance to govern before they completely dismissed him.

    Oddly enough, even Dems were willing to go along with W on the war because they “trusted” that he had the intelligence he said he did. He turned out to have dissembled. But because he was their president, they agreed.

    Obama’s ideas aren’t all crackpot no matter what you think, and a good many hispanics, who will represent the bulk of the US population soon (as you pointed out in an opinion piece) supported him.

    So, even though you are not a supporter, why don’t you sit back and see how he handles things (and let him get into office) before you completely dismiss him?

    He HAS won the popular and electoral vote, certainly by a larger percent than Bush did, I believe, and so deserves his chance to get into office and try to affect the kinds of changes the people have elected him to do.

    You say that oppostion is what keeps those in power honest, but that certainly did NOT work in the Bush administration, did it? Opposition, and there was plenty of it, did nothing to keep those boys at all honest…they just ran roughshod over the law, our rights, and the Iraqi people, not to mention a lot of other people. It would have been nice if opposition to the war, and our rights to privacy being taken away had made a damned bit of difference.

    And you call me naive.

  • Clavos

    Opposition, and there was plenty of it

    Sorry, Lisa, but there wasn’t. Except for the last two years, the Bushies had almost total control of all three branches.

    And the Dems, in typical Dem fashion, were in too much disarray, and were too preoccupied with their own internecine warfare to coordinate and mount any kind of coherent and cogent opposition front.

    After the Dem wins in the ’06 elections, I expected to see some sort of coordinated resistance, but again, all the internal bickering and disagreement resulted in nothing more than an ongoing inertia, plus the usual whining, crying and hand wringing.

    Now, you have control of two branches, with a chance to seize the third as well.

    I’ve got my deck chair and cooler of beer right in the front row.

    Go to work; fulfill all the pretty promises.

    But please, don’t raise the taxes of a nation already reeling in recession; not even the corporate taxes (especially not the corporate taxes!), because if you do, the recession is likely to become a very prolonged depression.

  • Zedd

    Ruvy,

    The thing that makes Black folks Black is their African blood. Bless you.

  • http://www.futonreport.net/ Matthew T. Sussman

    Will you put out the memo to the world that our president really isn’t black and we haven’t achieved a racial milestone in our country’s history, or shall I?

  • Zedd

    Matt,

    Will you define for me what a Black person is?

  • Cannonshop

    Um, African blood’s red, just like everyone else’s, Zedd. In fact, if you peel a white person and a black person, they’re both red, stinking, sticky and screaming. Ask anyone who’s worked an industrial accident or battlefield, deep down, we’re all the same.

    Everybody bleeds red.

    Melanin content is a minor surface difference that has no bearing on a person’s character unless that person decides it does. What you DO matters a lot more than what you think you ARE.

  • http://ex-conservative.blogspot.com Glenn Contrarian

    ruvy – Is there any proof that Obama’s mother was ever in Africa?

    Matt – on ‘African blood’ being the determining factor…I think there’s quite a few Pacific Islanders (and particularly New Guineans) who might disagree with you.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Will you put out the memo to the world that our president really isn’t black and we haven’t achieved a racial milestone in our country’s history, or shall I?

    From what I read, you are the more professional (as in actually getting paid, not necessarily in writing better) writer of the two of us, and in addition, I’ll have a lot of editing work to do. Why don’t you put out the memo, and I’ll have some of my writer friends (lawyers, actually) go over it….

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Zedd,

    African blood’s red, just like everyone else’s, Zedd. In fact, if you peel a white person and a black person, they’re both red, stinking, sticky and screaming. Ask anyone who’s worked an industrial accident or battlefield, deep down, we’re all the same.

    Cannonshop has it on the money, Zedd. But thank you for the blessing anyway.

    In essence, you are similar to Obama’s father, O Zulu warrior princess; if you have married a native born American, no matter what race he is, your children are very much in the same position as Barack Obama. That is to say, they are first generation Americans, the children of an immigrant – you.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Glenn,

    ruvy – Is there any proof that Obama’s mother was ever in Africa?

    Yes, there is. There is litigation on the issue as I speak. I don’t have time to dig up the links right now. I wasn’t joking about the editing work in comment #49. I will be called away very soon. But I do have links to this as well.

    I mentioned in a comment in another article that if anything upset Obama’s ascension to the White House, it would not be the vote count. This is what I was talking about.

  • Zedd

    Ruvy and Cannon(bless your heart),

    I was responding to this:

    “In short, do not be fooled by what you see. Look more carefully, and ask the tougher questions. You may percieve you elected a “black” man, but in reality, you elected for a very well educated white man with black racial features who is the son of a foreigner.”

    Pay close attention. The foreigner part is African. Ergo,”The thing that makes Black folks Black is their African blood”.

    Also, you seem to put the “very well educated” element in there as if it stands in contrast with being Black. Africans are very well educated people. Obama’s Dad was a Harvard man who earned a master’s degree in economics with a focus on econometrics, a mathematics-based specialty used in forecasting. And again, Africans provide the black in American Blacks. So without the African blood, African Americans are not Black. So without the African blood, Obama is not Black. It’s the African part that makes him Black. Cause Africans are Black. Does that help?

    Ruvy sed: In essence, you are similar to Obama’s father, O Zulu warrior princess; if you have married a native born American, no matter what race he is, your children are very much in the same position as Barack Obama. That is to say, they are first generation Americans, the children of an immigrant – you.

    And they would be and ARE Black like ME and Obama’s Dad and Michelle and Jessie Jackson and Obama and my cousins back home, and Oprah and Mandela and Maurice and I’m guessing Biffle (don’t really know, is he a brother?), and Halle Berry and Koffi Annan. Do you get it now?

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Zedd,

    Two points.

    There are loads of ignoramuses wandering around the planet of all races. I made the point of Obama being well educated and intelligent BECAUSE HE IS WELL EDUCATED AND INTELLIGENT. This has nothing to do with his skin color. He is dsamned smart. He is bad news, but he is damned smart.

    Second, it is dangerous to look at Obama’s skin color and forget that he is the child of an immigrant/foreigner, and that he has powerful loyalties to the Luo in Kenya. He is not like some Chicago black man whose grampa or great grampa moved up from the south because he got tired of his relatives hanging like strange fruit from a tree, and got tired of tipping his cap to every white man that walked along with a hangover Sunday morning.

    Obama is the child of a foreign culture, just like I was in America, just like you were as well. Americans, self absorbed as they are, cannot afford to lose sight of this fact and the consequences it will have for them, assuming that Obama takes office. And believe me, his loyalty to the Luo will have consequences. They already have.

  • Zedd

    Ruvy,

    You are saying that he is not culturally like most African Americans.

    Okay?

    He is still a Black man.

    I guarantee that if you ran across me on the street you would NEVER suspect that I am not an African American (a stunning one off course). I have a wonderful S.African background but I have been enculturated as an AA. All you have to do is listen to Obama and you know that he has melded into an AA identity. His candace and inflection and his mannerism.

    You are not born Israeli but you have taken on that identity. No one can convince you that you are not a real Jew.

  • http://www.glosslip.com Dawn

    For all of your many, many, many (did I mention MANY) faults Matt, you never fail in making me laugh, think and cry. I cry when I scroll down to your picture.

    Just kidding, great wrap up and I think, even your black heart was moved a bit that historic evening.

  • Ms. Know

    I think a lot of us disagree with the left-wing illuminati on foreign policy. The first thing being not funding the soldiers who protect us daily, it will always be a difference of mine.

  • bliffle

    Actually, it was BushCo who cut funding to soldiers in Iraq when they reduced hazard pay from $150/month to $75/mo 5 years ago.

  • Beth

    I am a white woman 50 years old and I live in Texas. I voted for Barack Obama. I do NOT think in terms of “He is a black man, look how far blacks have come”. But I appreciate those that do and I realize their passion and their pride and I do not wish to take away from all of that. But as for my view, it is simply this: HE IS THE MOST AWESOME PERSON WE COULD HAVE EVER FOUND AND IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT RACE HE IS OR WHAT HE WEARS. HE IS JUST PLAIN RIGHT FOR THE JOB! Congratulations Mr. Obama. And congratulations to all Americans that are celebrating this special time in our country!

  • Brunelleschi

    #56 Ms No-

    “soldiers who protect us daily..” Only sometimes. If the right had it’s way, America’s military would just be assigned to Wall Street, to protect bigtime private property. I could argue (with enough space and time) that we are there already.

    The left is correct when it points out this abuse. The military is to protect the safety of the nation, not the investments of the reckless super-rich.

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