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CNN was able to declare Obama the primary winner of North Carolina as soon as the polls closed there. The prism that split the light into a Barack rainbow was no mystery. He has won that state by double digits and the black vote has abandoned Hillary Clinton as predicted and won’t be returning. Obama has garnered upwards of 92% of the black vote in NC and IN. This was why I emphasized that Clinton cannot and will not win the White House without Obama and the black vote.

Math may not be a strong suit for blacks but the pundits will bear out the impact of blacks abandoning either the Democratic party, Hillary Clinton or both. For most of the night, Indiana was too close to call because the areas that had not reported, mostly suburbs near Chicago, were Obama strongholds, But Hill's speech in Indiana said it all: it's over. Rev. Wright and his black liberation theology didn't steal IN.

What has changed since Obama the populist politico won Iowa?

Tonight in his speech in North Carolina Obama, “the imperfect messenger” spoke nonstop patriotism to those who came out to hear and see him. He got the memo, folks. He was also talking like a winner of the nomination. What’s wrong with that? It seems like a year since the Iowa win and two years since last summer, when things were just heating up and I was busy asking was Barack black enough? We know the answer to that question now, and it begs the converse: is he too black for America? I have another question to add to that mix: has the black middle class outgrown black power politics?

Even though Rev. Wright’s left jab to media ribs kept our candidate firmly in the spotlight of the MSM, it did not deal a mortal blow. Bad press has its place, and it found a welcome with the Right windbags who couldn’t dam up about Rev. Wright. They relished, above all, the damage that the radical politics of a south side minister could do in a few short days with his media tour. The dust seems to have settled.

The other thing that has changed, now that we have established that Barack is black enough, is what will the super delegates do? Most believe that Hill and Bill will take their fight to the end. Clinton, who first eschewed the pugilistic metaphor that Heloise painted — she denied the debates were a fight, and then accepted big red boxing gloves from a union group! Then she or somebody dubbed her Hillary “Rocky” Clinton. She started embracing the fight and became the self-described “scrapper.” She downed beer and whiskey shots and toted a gun and trotted out her dad’s memory as a man who taught her how to shoot a rifle. Give me a break.

The Clintons are filthy… rich that is

Sometimes I have to kick myself for opening my big mouth. I wanted to call Bobby Kennedy Jr. Hillary’s elitist enabler because he helped her wear the mantle of a man like RFK, his father no less. But the truth was that I helped her to forge the image. When was she going to tell us she made 109 million dollars over the last decade? When was she going to tell us she was the populist in the race? Or better yet, who crowned that rich bitch the populist princess? Hillary is a master at reinventing herself or wearing metaphors that she kicks to the curb then picks up later when no one is looking and says to herself, “I think that fits me after all.” Hillary is brilliant, all right. She has us all fooled into thinking that she’s “the one.”

If you have any doubts about the populist roots of Obama, read his excellent memoir that he got up in the middle of the night or early morning every day to write it so that his family would have a better life. He learned this type of work ethic from his white mother, who would tutor him before school in the morning, to improve his skills. His family did not have a lot of money, but they were wealthy in spirit and passed this on to Barack as a child. He imbibed it and has put it to good use. My advice: use it. Barack is the king of populism. And don’t let John McCain or Hillary Clinton steal your thunder.

Stupid, draw back your bow

And let the super delegate vote flow to declare for Obama and bring this race to a screeching halt. The Barack express is back on track, with lots of steam, streaking past Hillary giving a stump speech to an all-white women crowd, and barely noticing John “McCane” crossing the tracks after the gates are down, warning signs up, flashing "stop!" Obama rolls like the Mississippi River over McCain & Company. And more and more the powers that be see and call it as Heloise: Hillary riding shotgun as the vice presidential nominee for her party and loving every minute.

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  • Dan Miller

    Heloise,

    I tend to agree with much of your article. I do, however, take serious umbrage at the following reference to Senator Clinton:

    [T]hat rich bitch. Senator Clinton is many things, but she is not a bitch; a bitch is a female dog. I have known, and loved, many male and female dogs, and not one of them bears any resemblance to Senator Clinton. Bitches and male dogs, with very rare exceptions in my experience, are loving, loyal and incapable of lying.

    In preference to bitch, I would suggest that rich $*&*$&*%#$# or that pseudo populist or that lying, conniving,opportunistic jerk or something similar. You have a fertile imagination; come up with something better and more descriptive. Please.

    I have read this statement to our three bitches and two male dogs, and they have authorized it.

    Dan

  • Zedd

    Dan,

    My white, buff spotted “daughter” agrees.

    She asked if you would run for office next time. I said I’d ask you. She’d give up her important window patrol time, protecting the family from those who dare walk the sidewalk past our home and put her paws to the pavement for you! Off course she cant wear primary colors and you must have a fluffy bed with pink linens on your bus and 14hr naps and gourmet treats and Swarovski crystal studded collars for your volunteers.

    Well, what do you say??

  • Arch Conservative

    “And let the super delegate vote flow to declare for Obama and bring this race to a screeching halt. The Barack express is back on track, with lots of steam, streaking past Hillary giving a stump speech to an all-white women crowd, and barely noticing John “McCane” crossing the tracks after the gates are down, warning signs up, flashing “stop!” Obama rolls like the Mississippi River over McCain & Company. And more and more the powers that be see and call it as Heloise: Hillary riding shotgun as the vice presidential nominee for her party and loving every minute.”

    HAHAHHAHA

    AHHHHHHHHHHH

    HAHAHAHHAHA

    Either you’re stupid or niave Helen. (probably both)

    There is no way in hell that Barry Hussein Obama is EVER going to be president.

    Not gonna happen.

    You and the other cult members are going to have to go all Jim Jones at the Obama headquarters the day after the election.

    Good riddance!

  • Dan Miller

    Zedd,

    Please thank your daughter for her kind thoughts. I think of our bitches as my daughters, and of our male dogs as my sons, and someday will tell you about our not quite three year old Akita bitch, Shadow, who was bitten by a snake on December 3rd, 2006 and died two days later despite all that we and our vet could do to save her. She was truly my daughter, and I miss her very, very much and always will.

    Come the next election I will be 71 and can’t promise anything, other than that it s my firm position that anyone silly and/or power hungry enough to run for the office of president should NEVER be elected.

    My earlier comment may have been a tad frivolous, but referring to bad, nasty people as bitches really does get to me.

    Best,

    Dan

  • http://www.rapturenutballs.blogspot.com Baritone

    President Barack Hussein Obama. Has a good ring to it.

    John Sidney McCain, former Republican presidential nominee. That sounds about right, as well.

    Johnny could adopt a diminutive of his middle name and become a crime novelist: “Murder on The Straight Talk Express” by Sid McCain. That has possibilities.

    B-tone

  • Arch Conservative

    President Barack Hussein Obama. Has a good ring to it.

    Tell me B-tone……what southern states do you envision Barry winning?

    Do you think he wins Florida? How about Ohio? New Hampshire?

    You’ll excuse me if I don’t just take your word for it this time around….I seem to have been sold some rotten garentees in 2000 and 2004 about Democrat victories.

  • Arch Conservative

    Why is it that whenever I see a picture of Michelle Obama she is always grimacing and the first thing that comes to mind is the Grinch?

    You’re a mean one Mrs. Obama……..

    But seriously…..Even you Barry Hussein Obama Osama cultists have to admit……she is one very angry, bitter, woman who is obviously ashamed of her country and gives off way too much bad mojo to be first lady.

    It’s a good thing her hubby doesn’t have a shot in hell.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    You don’t squeak a loss.

  • http://www.rapturenutballs.blogspot.com Baritone

    Actually, Michelle Obama is a quite pleasant and attractive woman. She has a great deal more class than you apparently imagine.

    I think Obama will surprise in some southern states. Also, once the dust has cleared from the Dem convention, many of Hillary’s followers will realize that Obama is a far superior choice to McCain. I can see Obama carrying Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Michigan, California, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Illinois. All of those states carry big electoral numbers – totaling around 210 or so. It may well be close, but your no “shot in hell” prediction is also your pipe dream.

    B-tone

  • Arch Conservative

    “Actually, Michelle Obama is a quite pleasant and attractive woman. She has a great deal more class than you apparently imagine.”

    I guess bashing the nation 24-7 qualifies as pleasant and classy in the circles you run in B-tone. As far as attractive..I wouldn’t know. She’s always scowling.

    Barry had better hope he carries both Florida and Ohio because if he doesn’t he is done for. I on the other hand can definitely see Mccain winning New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Missouri, and possibly even Michigan if Romney is on the ticket. Oh and who are you kidding….we both know that Obama is not going to carry a single southern state.

  • bliffle

    Is Archie arguing that Obama can’t win because all southerners are racists?

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Archie’s predictions can’t be taken all that seriously, given his track record. He was convinced that Romney was going to win the GOP nomination and the White House, and insisted that the Republicans would retain control of both houses of Congress in ’06.

    I don’t think Florida will turn blue, but all Obama needs is to replicate Kerry’s wins from ’04 plus Ohio and a couple of the southern states (the Virginias and the Carolinas look most promising) and he’s home and dry.

  • http://www.rapturenutballs.blogspot.com Baritone

    Arch can barely contain his disdain – no his hatred – for Obama, and apparently his wife as well. His comments – the substance and tenor of them place him teetering on the edge of blatant racism. His prognostications, as I said above, are pipe dreams.

    B-tone

  • zingzing

    betting against archie’s political predictions are, so far, the best game in town.

    archie also seems to forget that many southern states have large black populations. god knows why they would stay down there. too much heat and too many republicans. plus the bugs are big. i like the women tho.

  • Arch Conservative

    “Is Archie arguing that Obama can’t win because all southerners are racists?”

    No [personal attack deleted]. He won’t win a single southern state for the same reason Kerry didn’t win a single southern state. He’s a leftist.

    Obama is too far to the left to win. plain and simple.

    You and b-tone and every other dimwit leftist can save your bullshit epithets for your fellow moonbats that buy intot hem.

  • http://www.rapturenutballs.blogspot.com Baritone

    Arch certainly is a skillful and classy spokesman for his camp. Thoughtful, reasoned and no evidence of vitriole. What a guy!

    B-tone

  • Arch Conservative

    “Arch certainly is a skillful and classy spokesman for his camp. Thoughtful, reasoned and no evidence of vitriole. What a guy!”

    I say Obama is not going to win a single southern state, not mentioning a damn thing about race and along comes zippy the zipperhead leftist with…..

    “Is Archie arguing that Obama can’t win because all southerners are racists?”

    You still want to talk about reason and vitriole?

  • http://www.rapturenutballs.blogspot.com Baritone

    I don’t detect either lack of reason or vitriole in Bliff’s question. You continually make statements that verge on racism and bigotry. You walk a thin line adjacent to a slippery slope – like your characterization of Michelle Obama as “uppity.” You paint the picture. We just respond to what we see. You can’t blame us for reading between the lines.

  • Clavos

    All Southerners aren’t racists; a lot of Southerners are Black.

    Of the remainder, a significant portion are racist, especially in the rural areas.

  • Bennett

    Clavos, that’s true of the North, East, and West as well.

    Luckily for our Republic, the more ignorant the person, the less likely they are to vote.

  • http://www.rapturenutballs.blogspot.com Baritone

    Clav,

    You are a southerner. Are you a racist? Or are you the only exception?

    There are certainly racists everywhere in this country. Many blacks are racists as well. Will Obama carry any southern tier states? Perhaps not. Will racial bias affect the vote in other parts of the country? Probably. But, will all that preclude an Obama victory? I don’t think so. As I’ve suggested before, there could be a ground swell for Obama as November approaches. It could be a runaway for him. Frankly, I hope so. There should be a solid repudiation of the Bush years.

    B-tone

  • Clavos

    You are a southerner. Are you a racist? Or are you the only exception?

    C’mon, B-tone, I didn’t say ALL Southerners are racists.

    Nor did I say all who live in the South are Southerners. I wasn’t born here, and don’t consider myself a Southerner.

    Few people in Florida were born here, and Florida is a Southern state by location only (except in the rural areas of the Panhandle); culturally, it’s Midwestern and Northeastern, except here in South Florida, where culturally it’s not even American.

  • http://www.rapturenutballs.blogspot.com Baritone

    Clav,

    Apologies. I mis-read your comment. I gotta stop drinking. I guess I should have cleaned my glasses or something because I thought that was an odd statement coming from you.

    While Arch may be right, as I’ve said, I think Obama could carry a few southern states. Of course, with the exception of Florida and perhaps Georgia, most of the southern tier states have but few electoral votes. (I know, there’s Texas, but Texas is another animal all together.)
    But, if the electoral count is close, should Obama pick up say a Mississippi or Louisiana, they could make the difference.

    As I’ve said before, I don’t look upon Obama as the second coming or anything. He’s just a guy. But his candidacy has spurred unprecedented interest in what might have been an otherwise relatively hum-drum campaign. It is likely that Hillary would have breezed into the nomination without Obama in the picture, and having a woman head up a presidential ticket would have added some interest. But Hillary is in many respects, old news.

    Barack brings an energy to presidential politics never seen before. Bobby K. might have accomplished something similar back in ’68, but we’ll never know.

    Certainly, Obama’s race is a key factor. But there is something about the man, which some here apparently refuse to see or to admit that raises him above the ordinary. I have yet to see him flustered or particularly ill at ease. His wits are (almost) always about him. I have, of course, seen him tired. How could he or Hillary not be? Frankly, I don’t know how either of them are still on their feet.

    I really hope that Clinton stops her campaign. She probably won’t do so before the last primaries in June, but I think last Tuesday’s votes here in Indiana and down in North Carolina put the kibosh to any momentum she may have had. She is beating what I’m afraid is a dead or at least dying horse.

    I am anxious to see McCain and Obama square off. That may prove to be a very interesting battle. I’m not a McCain hater. I don’t see how one could actually hate the man. He’s given a lot to this country. But I do oppose him ideologically on the war, on the economy, on health care and on some social issues.

    As far left as Obama is accused of being, I find some of his positions a bit too centrist for my tastes; mainly his opposition to gay marriage. (I know, he supports civil unions, but that falls short of affording absolutely equal rights for gays under the law.) But on the whole, Obama best represents my interests and my concerns.

    Obama may prove to be far more shrewd than most of us imagine. He may be a clever, close to the vest poker player who “knows when to hold em, and knows when to fold em.” We’ll see.

    B-tone

  • Arch Conservative

    I don’t detect either lack of reason or vitriole in Bliff’s question. You continually make statements that verge on racism and bigotry. You walk a thin line adjacent to a slippery slope – like your characterization of Michelle Obama as “uppity.” You paint the picture. We just respond to what we see. You can’t blame us for reading between the lines.”

    Wrong again. Uppity has absolutely no racial connotations in and of itself. PAr for the course for a liberal like…you need no excuse nor legitimate reason to accuse somone else of being a racist or bigot. The mere fact that anyone would disagree with you in any situation where a person of color may be concerned is, in your mind, just cause to label them a racist.

    Not that your race baiting little mind can understand…but the reason I called Michelle Obama uppity is because she has never publicly shown any appreciation as far as I knwo for the nation that has allowed to her to live a lavish lifestyle, make over 300K a year and witness her husband run for president. She has so much more to be grateful for than so many other Americans, black, white and otherwise. But instead of a little appreciation or gratitude for the nation in which she lives that made the things in her life possible we get “I’ve never in my adult life been proud of this country until now.”

    You can spin it any way you want b-tone but the bottom line is she’s a bitter, arrogant, angry..and yes uppity woman. She is this way despite the fact that she’s led a very charmed life.

    Yes I do despise Michelle and Barry but it has nothing to do with race. If you weren’t a race baiting moron leftist you’d realize that. in case you haven’t noticed I have more than a healthy disdain for Billary, for the same reason I can’t stand the Obama,s for the same reason I despise Ted Kennedy, John Kerry……

    they’re all useless fucking liberals

    “As far left as Obama is accused of being”

    There’s no accused about it.

    Comparing his voting record to the records of the majority of the rest of the politicians in this nation Obama is far left……and if you think he’s going to be able to hide this from the American public this fall you’re in for a rude awakening b-tone

  • bliffle

    Obama a leftist? Doesn’t seem like it. In fact, the cavil of most dems seems to be that he is too centrist. For example, his healthcare plan is very right of Hill. Being against the Iraq Invasion seems to be a position increasingly popular among rightists, so that would hardly qualify.

  • Bennett

    Arch is the new JOM

  • Cindy D

    In order not to appear to be an idiot Arch, you might like to refrain from putting quotes around the twists you make of other people’s words.

    Writing lesson #1 for the extreme right-wing:

    Quotes are used to document what a person actually says–not what you construe them to have said.

  • Ruvy

    Arch is the new JOM

    Bing, the guy’s real name, is nothing like JOM. JOM was a nasty SOB who followed people around like a stupid attack dog. I was glad to see him kicked off the list as he made about five intelligent comments that I can remember. And he made shitloads of comments. JOM was nothing but a troll.

    Bing, by contrast, attacks what he disagrees with. He expresses a point of view. It is not necessarily one I agree with, but all of his comments are based on that point of view, rather than the mere desire to attack an individual on the list.

    I’m not going to complain about his strong language. I’m the last person here who has the right to do that….

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Ruvy is right. JustOneMan was a stupid idiot. Archie, however he may express himself and however extreme his views may seem at times, is most assuredly neither stupid nor an idiot.

    99% of JOM’s comments were the slobberings of a moron and contributed nothing to the discussion. As such, they were routinely deleted, so what remained for other commenters to read was actually just the tip of the iceberg.

    Archie, in contrast, invariably addresses the issues under discussion. His main fault is a tendency to get overheated and start name-calling. Those instances are dealt with as they arise by Chris and myself, but he’s done nothing to warrant the kind of action that eventually had to be taken against JOM.

  • http://www.rapturenutballs.blogspot.com Baritone

    I think Arch is well on his way to taking JOM’s place. His rancor is leading him around like a bitch in heat leads a horny bloodhound.

    Arch is a bitter, anal-retentive, hate mongering conservative who believes everything is painted black and white and only his chosen color carries any validity. How anyone can be so cocksure of his site is beyond me. It’s clear that he knows little and understands less – little knowledge, less wisdom. If he took part in an open face to face discussion with anyone, he would likely have his face rearranged. His name calling and lack of even a modicum of respect for his opposition renders him useless.

    B-tone

  • Clavos

    Interesting study in contrast between comments #s 28 & 29, by Ruvy and Doc, respectively, and who seem to be more or less on the same page (with which I agree, BTW) regarding Arch, vis-a-vis B-tone’s comment # 30.

    Why are you so vehement about Arch, B?

  • http://www.rapturenutballs.blogspot.com Baritone

    The anger and condescension with which Arch presents his arguments is rankling at best. I can and do present my posts and comments, perhaps at times with passion, but not in the manner of AC. It’s not a matter of whether I can stand the heat, it’s simply that it is rude and unnecessary. In this case, I am not so charitable regarding Arch as you, Doc and Ruvy. Arch, in my opinion goes over the top. But, I suppose I’m just too dimwitted to understand where he’s coming from.

    B-tone

  • Cindy D

    “You and b-tone and every other dimwit leftist can save your bullshit epithets for your fellow moonbats that buy into them.”

    I’d say that sort of might have made me vehement.

  • Ruvy

    B-tone,

    The anger and condescension with which Arch presents his arguments is rankling at best. I can and do present my posts and comments, perhaps at times with passion, but not in the manner of AC. It’s not a matter of whether I can stand the heat, it’s simply that it is rude and unnecessary.

    ……..

    If he took part in an open face to face discussion with anyone, he would likely have his face rearranged. His name calling and lack of even a modicum of respect for his opposition renders him useless.

    Try to see this in terms of reality instead of pixelated comments on a screen.

    That screen strips away certain inhibitions that face to face contact (or voice to voice contact on podcasts) either impose or reinforce.

    If I viewed you merely by your point of view, I’d be disgusted. I don’t. I view you as a person, a real live human being with aches, pains, desires, pleasures and memories.

    So we can discuss things like driving, what it feels like to be in a foreign country, etc. and realize that we share quite a bit in common in attitudes, even though we differ tremendously in how we view given subjects.

    I viewed Marthe Raymond (moonraven), someone who was forced from the list, in the same light, and we had conversations instead of rank-out matches. When others attacked me, she came to my defense.

    I view Bing in the same light – as a human being. If you read carefully, you discover that he is about thirty, angry with the world he sees and frustrated. And if you read enough, you see that his views are neither arch nor conservative. He’s boxed himself into a corner with the screen name he has chosen for himself, and this discussion about him is a result.

    In a bar, or a coffee shop, or on a podcast, he’d probably be just a strident in his views, and a whole hell of a lot more polite in expressing them. Unless a person is truly a boor, real contact imposes rules of civilized behavior, rules that you, he and I, and just about everyone else on the list do understand and live by – just to avoid getting their faces re-arranged.

    Generally, I do what I can to reach beyond the screen to talk to you all. But it isn’t always so.

    An example. On a different thread, I told zing zing, I’d be happy to blow Ken Livingstone away if the opportunity presented itself. That’s because Livingstone is an existential threat to me in the way he uses power.

    But you? Zing? Marthe Raymond? Shit, while she was conducting rank-out contests with the rest of the guys, she was giving me advice on how to deal with a dictatorship here in Israel.

    That’s what comes from remembering that a person is typing the words you see.

  • http://www.rapturenutballs.blogspot.com Baritone

    Ruvy,

    I understand what you’re saying, but, as you mentioned, you and I have had our moments, both good and bad. The same goes for myself and Dave, Obnoxious Am, and Baronius among others. Some of the exchanges have been heated. I had some truly nasty exchanges with Moon, but also a great discussion about jazz. Arch generally sends things a step or two further. His line cited by Cindy D above is a fair example. A personal attack doesn’t have to include obscenities or be legally libelous to be offensive.

    If someone wants to attack my positions, my beliefs – and being an admitted atheist, I get more than my share of that – so be it. But to refer to me as “a dimwit” and everyone to the left of Himmler as “useless fucking liberals” is bullshit, and in the end personal. I am a liberal who doesn’t consider himself fucking useless.

    If he’s going to be a rude, name calling ass, he’d best learn how to take it as well. He may be a wonderful human being, a real prince, but on this venue he’s no more than a repugnant, self-righteous bully.

    B-tone

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    I suppose the basic difference between Arch and JOM is that while Arch is full of crap, that’s not all he’s full of.

    Moonraven, now, that was a totally different kettle of fish. Whatever her motivations were (and I don’t think any of us got close to the bottom of them), they were obviously complex and sophisticated. Unfortunately they manifested themselves as a concerted attempt to drag the site (or at least the Politics section of it) through the ca-ca. It got so no-one could express any sort of view without being put down and insulted in the most vile way. Thread after thread would grind to a halt in a hail of crudities.

    JOM and Moonraven were extreme cases and in the end it was their persistence in behaving the way they did which got them kicked off. (As I understand it, though, Moonraven wasn’t actually banned, but agreed to stop commenting.)

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    That damned witch doctor!?! I thought we were done conversing about JOM… I want my money back…

  • Arch Conservative

    So much is made of me attacking people but b-tone calls me a racist and not one of you comments on how that is a personal attack? I’m not drinking the Obama Kool aid and I have the gall to have my own interpretation on Michelle Obama’s actions and character whcih does not conform to the standard “oh she’s so great and classy and wonderful and super duper” line so that must make me a racist right? Trust me…when it comes to being angry, bitter, and resentful of others I don’t have shit on this woman.

    I guess you libs are so used to insulated groupthink and the rabid inane reinforcements of your own delusions by one another that it does strike you as so offensive when someone calls you out on your bullshit race baiting tactics. Call someone who disagrees with you a basless yet very socially stigmatizing, extremely undesirable, epithet loud enough and often enough and that must make it true right b-tone?

    I have never said anything even remotely close to being racist about Obama. I have been around longer than JOM and a lot of others on this site and if there’s one thing I have made clear it is that I do not care for liberals, leftists, moonbats, commies, reds, scoailiast etc….regardless of their color, race or sex. So anyone who would, after having read a number of my posts, insist that I am a racist, is an ignorant moron and I WILL point that out whether or not Bennet, dreadful, b-tone, cindy d., adam ash, realist or anyone else has a problem with that.

    God forbid one poster does not succumb to the politically correct bullshit that seems to perade this site just as much as the general population. I’d rather be honest than politically corrrect.

    As for JOM and Moonraven. JOM was an idiot with nothing to offer plain and simple and it seemed like moonraven’s only purpose for being on this site was to daily put down the USA and it’s people while talking about che guevera, or some other obscure south American rebel heroes of hers that no one actually had ever heard of or gave a damn about. That got pretty old pretty quick.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Has anyone seen the latest edition of Archie Comics? I had it here a minute ago?

  • troll

    …I (heart) the Con – he makes me laugh

  • Cindy D

    Arch,

    I don’t think calling Michelle Obama uppity (or insert whatever racially neutral pejorative) makes you a racist. I agree with you on that.

  • Arch Conservative

    I don’t think calling Michelle Obama uppity (or insert whatever racially neutral pejorative) makes you a racist. I agree with you on that.

    Well since you don’t think that makes me a racist but that is why b-tone pretty much all but called me one without using the word would you also agree that I am not the only one thats makes personal attacks? Calling someone a racist without cause is surely as bad as calling someone a dimwitted leftist..si it not?

    Screw it. Let’s leave race completely out of it. I’ll talk about Obama’s record and inexeperience all day long with b-tone, cindy or anyone else that supports him.

    Let’s talk about how Obama thinks it’s a good idea to give illegals driver’s licenses.

    Let’s talk about how about voted against banning partial birth abortion in Oct 2007.

    Let’s talk about how Obama voted against reducing federal spending by 40billion in Nov 2005.

    Let’s talk about how Barry voted against ANWAR drilling in Mar 2005.

    Let’s talk about how Obama voted for illegals aliens to collect social security benefits in May 2006.

    Let’s talk about how he voted against repealing the death tax in June 2006.

    Let’s talk about he voted against extending the Bush tax cuts to capital gains and dividends in Feb 2006.

    Let’s take the words race, change, hope etc and all of the rhetoric that goes alogn with them and throw them away and discuss the records of Obama and Mccain.

    Is that too much to ask?

  • Bennett

    “I’d rather be honest than politically corrrect.”

    Arch, your honesty or difference of opinion doesn’t bother or offend, it’s your rudeness and inability to express yourself in a civilized manner that grates.

    If you would exercise your intellect, you could find words to clearly state your opinions and positions without resorting to childish insults, sweeping generalizations, or unnecessary cuss words. You would gain the respect of others, even if they disagreed with what you presented.

    In other words, you’d become a real adult.

  • Bennett

    Regarding “uppity”:

    Although the dictionary doesn’t indicate any racial overtones, the most common usage of the word here in the states (in my lifetime) has been in conjunction with the word “nigger”.

    You can be coy and say you didn’t mean it that way, but calling a black woman “uppity” does imply the second word to most Americans.

  • bliffle

    I don’t know (or care) if Archie’s a racist, but if his point was that the south is too racist to vote for Obama in the general election, it’s an interesting one.

    Archie may be wrong (probably, as usual) and the southern states may vote similar to the other states, with the usual regional variations. In which case we simply have learned that Archie is wrong. Again.

    But if he is right and the south seems to arise as one against Obama, then two new questions arise: (1) what are we to make of this resurgent racist south? (2) can Obama win without the south?

    It would almost surely have to be a racist rejection of Obama since Archies dodge that the south will reject his leftism simply doesn’t hold water: Obamas policies are not particularly leftist (being somewhat to the right of Hillary) and opposition to The War is now centrist (even many rightists want out).

    IMO, the south won’t be anti-Obama for racist reasons. So it won’t effect Obama in the general.

  • Clavos

    the most common usage of the word here in the states (in my lifetime) has been in conjunction with the word “nigger”.

    And “woman.”

  • Bennett

    That’s true Clavos, but unless Arch feels that Mrs. Obama was “acting above her station” (whatever that means) then “arrogant” would suffice, unless one wants to imply an additional meaning with the word.

    bliffle, good thoughts!

  • Arch Conservative

    I don’t know (or care) if Archie’s a racist, but if his point was that the south is too racist to vote for Obama in the general election, it’s an interesting one.”

    I believe I made it clear why I don’t believe Obama will win a single southern state……because he is too liberal…like John Kerry who also didn’t win a single state in the south,…not because he’s black.

  • http://www.rapturenutballs.blogspot.com Baritone

    Arch,

    Okay, let’s talk:

    “Let’s talk about how Obama thinks it’s a good idea to give illegals driver’s licenses.”

    And this is a bad idea because…??? – There are lots of illegals here. It’d be nice to know if they know how to drive a damn car. If nothing else, it would provide some kind of a paper trail would it not? In any case, just how many illegals do you suppose are going to show up at their local BMV?

    “Let’s talk about how about voted against banning partial birth abortion in Oct 2007.”

    Not everyone is a “bleeding heart” right wing fundamentalist. There are legitimate medical reasons why such procedures should be performed. A blanket law prohibiting them is counter to good medicine and intrudes upon an individual’s rights.

    “Let’s talk about how Obama voted against reducing federal spending by 40billion in Nov 2005.”

    Because the bulk of those reductions were to come out of social programs making life more difficult for the poor and the elderly, while funding for bullshit like the Iraq war kept going up.

    “Let’s talk about how Barry voted against ANWAR drilling in Mar 2005.”

    Their remains legitimate controversy over the amount of Alaska’s oil reserves and whether the cost – both monetary and environmental – is justifiable.

    “Let’s talk about how Obama voted for illegals aliens to collect social security benefits in May 2006.”

    Don’t know about this one. I’ll get back to you.

    “Let’s talk about how he voted against repealing the death tax in June 2006.”

    The so called “death” or inheritance tax generally only significantly affects those at the high end of the economic spectrum. But, I may be more or less with you on this one. I will have to look at the specifics of the particular bill in question before I render an opinion on the efficacy of Obama’s vote.

    “Let’s talk about he voted against extending the Bush tax cuts to capital gains and dividends in Feb 2006.”

    Big surprise here. Virtually all democrats opposed the Bush tax cuts for a variety of reasons which have been discussed ad nauseam, or did you miss that? Would you really expect him to vote otherwise?

    B-tone

  • Ruvy

    Bing,

    You have legitimate ideological reasons to oppose Obama. But you do need to remember that America is not a parliamentary democracy like Canada, New Zealand or Australia (notice I didn’t include that falafel dictatorship, Israel). In other words, merely because someone is elected president doesn’t make his program or promises law. If his political party – or more to the point, his wing of his political party – controls both houses of your congress, then his programs will get passed.

    That happened once in my lifetime that I remember – the administration of Lyndon Baines Johnson. A big reason for his success in getting his programs passed was his long years as minority or majority leader in the senate. He knew where a bunch of the bodies were buried – and had helped to bury one of them himself.

    Obama does not have that kind of experience, a point you keep making. So, you can’t have it both ways, Bing. Either the guy has sufficient experience to ramrod his “bolshevist” program down congress’ throat – or he doesn’t. If he doesn’t, then what are you bellyaching about?

    The worst that can happen is that the country will get sick of four years of “liberal” incompetence, just as it has gotten sick of eight years of “conservative” incompetence.

    So his wife is bitter and hateful towards what she views as a racist nation. There is only so much that she can accomplish by wrapping her legs around his back. He would be president, not she. Once he pulls out his dipstick and showers, he is more or less free of her influence (until the next session in bed).

    If you are indeed smart, by the way, ditch the “arch conservative” label. You are neither “arch” nor conservative in your views, and you shouldn’t box yourself in a corner with stupid labels.

  • Cindy D

    Ruvy,

    Did you get such a view of women because that’s how your father treated your momma?

  • Ruvy

    That is not my view of women, Cindy, it is my realistic assessment of how much influence Michelle Obama can wield over her husband.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “Uppity has absolutely no racial connotations in and of itself.”

    As has already been pointed out, that’s not accurate and your denial is either dishonest or ignorant. PAr for the course for you.

    “Trust me…when it comes to being angry, bitter, and resentful of others I don’t have shit on this woman.”

    No trust is needed. All one needs to is go back through your comments to know that is another false assertion on your part.

    “JOM was an idiot with nothing to offer plain and simple”

    Oh, the irony. Thanks for the laugh.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    On Arch’s contention that Obama won’t win any southern states: as I and others have opined, he’ll likely be proven (again) wrong.

    He’s probably right that Obama won’t take Florida, which seems to have been edging ever so slightly more to the right in recent elections, probably because Floridians want to play it safe and not end up as the black sheep of the family of States again.

    But his blanket notion that the South doesn’t vote leftwards is simply wrong. He clearly wasn’t paying attention in November 2006, when Democrats replaced Republican Senate incumbents in Virginia and Missouri (I know, I know, arguably not a Southern state), came within a whisker of doing the same in Tennessee and held a seat in Maryland – all states which went for Bush in ’04.

    All those states are likely to go for Obama this time – as are, I think, both the Carolinas.

  • bliffle

    Archie over-estimates the power of southern racism. It exists but is not nearly as powerful as he hopes.

  • http://www.rapturenutballs.blogspot.com Baritone

    Ruvy,

    Pretty vivid and unpleasant characterization of Michelle Obama. If we took stock in your and Arch’s opinions of the woman, we would be obliged to conclude that she is one nasty assed, conniving and “uppity” bitch. Just as with Hillary, there are a great number of people who simply can’t abide a strong, opinionated woman. If a guy stands up and speaks his mind the response is “He da man!” Let a woman do the same and she’s a bitch. It also usually follows that this honkin’ bitch has her husband pussy whipped. I wonder when it will come to be that supposedly “manly men” will get over themselves.

    Again, in the particular case of Michelle Obama, Arch rakes her over the coals because she doesn’t grovel in abject suplication in being thankful for her success in life. Does it follow that a wealthy, successful American man should NEVER criticize this country? Or is it only successful black women who should keep their mouths shut?

    Michelle Obama came from very humble beginnings, and just as with Barack, made it to a top level law school through her own wits and her own efforts. If she can’t be critical of this country, who can? Or is it just too fucking holy, too fucking great for anyone to have the gall to criticize it in any way (except of course the doings of any low life liberal?)

    Arch,

    I will say this: When your fingers are not betraying you with typos, you are a fairly effective and calculating writer. You are clever in your selection of particular words and phrases. Just as you state, I didn’t specifically call you a racist, but you inferred it. The choices you make do infer a racist sentiment. But, then you cry foul if someone calls you on it.
    If you don’t intend that response, you should reconsider just how you write.

    B-tone

  • Arch Conservative

    “Again, in the particular case of Michelle Obama, Arch rakes her over the coals because she doesn’t grovel in abject suplication in being thankful for her success in life. Does it follow that a wealthy, successful American man should NEVER criticize this country? Or is it only successful black women who should keep their mouths shut?”

    I didn’t say that she should never critisize where criticism is due. However the woman makes over 300k a year, her husband is in serious contention for the presidency and from all that I can tell from what we see of her on tv and in the news she has a prettty damn good life. In spite of all this she can’t bring herself to say anything positive about this nation? She has done nothing but exude disdain for this nation. I’m supposedly the opposite side of the coin…I see nothing but the positive right. That’s not exactly true though. I’d be the first one to amdit that we have had in our past some very shameful things happen such as slavery, the internment of American citizens during WW2, the massacre of natives. However most of this stuff happened way before anyone who is lving today was even born. So what would be better for us to do as a nation, acknowledge these things, learn from them and move on, or dwell on them and pretend that they are somehow still the most influential and dominant factors in today’s society?

    Neither Michelle Obama nor I were alive during the time in which we had slavery but she is black and I’m white so does that mean that I personally owe her something? Am I responsible for the actions of people who lived 150 years before me just beacuse we have the same skin color.

    “Michelle Obama came from very humble beginnings, and just as with Barack, made it to a top level law school through her own wits and her own efforts. If she can’t be critical of this country, who can? ”

    Of course she can be critical but that’s all she is. If she took a second to look at the rest of the world she’d realize that there are a good number of other nations where it would not have been possible for her to become so successful through her own efforts or otherwise. I don’t think that occasionally acknowledging this and the opportunity that exists in this nation, whcih I have yet to hear or see her do publicly, makes one a one track nationalist sycophant.

  • Clavos

    B-tone,

    There’s a lot of truth in your first pargraph of #56, but it should be pointed out that it’s unfair to Michelle Obama to compare her to Hillary; Hillary is WAY more than just “a strong, opinionated woman,” which is a fair assessment of Obama.

    In recent weeks, Hillary has shown us that she is a liar, that she is willing to use racism to achieve her goals, she’s a backstabber, and a hypocrite.

    She’s also shown us the distinct possibility that she’s not nearly as bright as most Americans had thought she was; she’s made some monumentally stupid mistakes in this campaign.

    And those are her good points :>)

  • Arch Conservative

    “The choices you make do infer a racist sentiment. But, then you cry foul if someone calls you on it.”

    They are inferred by people purposely looking to see racism in my posts because I do not share the same views on race that they themselves hold.

    It’s all the rage for white liberals to accuse any other white person who disagrees with them of being racist. But why don’t you ask Michael Steele, Condaleeza Rice, Colin Powell etc who the real racists are. Ask them what names they have been called by people on the so called tolerant, inclusive left.

  • Cindy D

    “I didn’t say that she should never critisize where criticism is due. However the woman makes over 300k a year, her husband is in serious contention for the presidency and from all that I can tell from what we see of her on tv and in the news she has a prettty damn good life.”

    So, criticism is not due if you have financially gained from our system? If YOU have a good life, you should be immune to empathizing with those who don’t?

    WTF are you saying Arch? The system is designed for the RICH and when they benefit, they are wrong for criticizing it?

  • Cindy D

    Arch,

    I HAVE BENEFITED FROM OUR SYSTEM. So what? Am I wrong because I tutor children who haven’t? Or because I come from a background where I easily might not have?

    What the hell are you saying that makes any sense at all?

  • http://www.rapturenutballs.blogspot.com Baritone

    Clav,

    I wasn’t really comparing Michelle Obama with Hillary, it just so happens that they are currently the two most public and visible women in the country (at least till Britney rises again.)

    I don’t disagree with you about Hillary at this juncture. The wheels are coming off of her campaign and she is wildly grasping at straws. In the process she has increasingly embarrassed herself with statements that she probably wouldn’t have made when she was the assumed nominee.

    Yet, there are parallels between Michelle and Hillary as regards their public persona and how many people, men and women, react to them. There were people who rejected Clinton back in the early days of her husband’s first term simply because she was not playing the expected role of the quietly supportive first lady, content with planning state dinners and organizing the annual Easter egg hunt.

    Actually, I still think she’s pretty bright. But she is also likely so numbingly tired that she doesn’t know what she’s saying half the time. My wife said that Obama recently said in a speech that he had been criss-crossing this nation and had visited 57 states. That’s a remarkable feat.

    As you may remember, I began responding to the election process this time around in Clinton’s camp. I still feel she could be a very capable president. Nevertheless, I have moved my allegience to Obama, because, on balance, I feel that he will make a better president than Clinton, not to mention that the numbers say overwhelmingly that he is the people’s choice amongst Democrats. The longer she continues in the race for the nomination, the more harm she does to herself, and more importantly, the more harm she may be inflicting on the party.

    As I’ve said either here or in another thread recently, I am anxious to see the battle begin between Obama and McCain. As long as Hillary remains in contention, Obama and McCain cannot truly engage with each other head to head. Time’s awaistin’!

    B-tone

  • Cindy D

    Arch,

    Michelle Obama is one up on me. Whereas, she has been proud of her country for the first time in her adult life. I, as a white woman, haven’t been proud yet.

    I might be proud if her husband stands for more than even he is able to admit. (And I am sure Michelle Obama wouldn’t marry a low achiever.) Which is only another way of saying that B-tone’s potential supposition is one I hope is true.

    So, all of you who aren’t well versed in reading, will by now have no idea what I am talking about, and that is as it should be.

    Go back to watching American Idol, or whatever (it is you watch), there’s nothing to see here.

  • Cindy D

    BTW, “In her adult life” speaks directly to the bill of goods she was (and we all were) sold in grammar school about our sanitized, superman-like government actions. Michelle Obama, is merely speaking about what any informed human being (black or white) should be recognizing by adulthood.

  • Ruvy

    You got so pissed off at my description of Michelle Obama and the limitations of her influence, that you all missed my points.

    Cindy deflected it all. Nice job, Cindy….

    First of all, I never called her an uppity bitch. I granted that she may well be bitter, and may well have a right to be. But that argument ties in with my other argument supporting Obama as a candidate – that he is not embittered by racial anger as he is essentially a white man in black skin who does not have the visceral connection to the American black experience that his wife does.

    For your benefit, then, I’ll repeat the rest of my argument below:

    Bing,

    You have legitimate ideological reasons to oppose Obama. But you do need to remember that America is not a parliamentary democracy like Canada, New Zealand or Australia (notice I didn’t include that falafel dictatorship, Israel). In other words, merely because someone is elected president doesn’t make his program or promises law. If his political party – or more to the point, his wing of his political party – controls both houses of your congress, then his programs will get passed.

    That happened once in my lifetime that I remember – the administration of Lyndon Baines Johnson. A big reason for his success in getting his programs passed was his long years as minority or majority leader in the senate. He knew where a bunch of the bodies were buried – and had helped to bury one of them himself.

    Obama does not have that kind of experience, a point you keep making. So, you can’t have it both ways, Bing. Either the guy has sufficient experience to ramrod his “bolshevist” program down congress’ throat – or he doesn’t. If he doesn’t, then what are you bellyaching about?

    The worst that can happen is that the country will get sick of four years of “liberal” incompetence, just as it has gotten sick of eight years of “conservative” incompetence.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    My wife said that Obama recently said in a speech that he had been criss-crossing this nation and had visited 57 states. That’s a remarkable feat.

    Remarkable, but not impossible. Some of the states he might have visited would include:

    State of California
    State of Texas
    State of New York
    State of Grace
    State of Play
    State of Mind
    State of Confusion

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Blacks will be afraid to vote for Obama in the name of being careful, not racist, because if he winds up getting elected and then blamed for Bush’s tanked economy and we don’t give him enough of a majority in congress to get out of Iraq or to actually get anything done, the REAL racists will say “See I warned you… they’re all like that” and it’ll be another century before another one gets elected. We just don’t know what he’d really do under pressure NOT BECAUSE HE’S BLACK, but because he’s inexperienced; but that won’t stop the ignorant from blaming him because he’s black.

    Same with Hillary, if she gets into office they’ll say, “See I told you so” and they’ll never elect another woman.

    We gotta be reeeeeeealy careful when we stray off voting some white guy in…

    …but then you never hear someone say, “Bush is white-we better not elect any more white men”

    Thank god some gay guy isn’t running…

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    State of intoxication?

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Yup, that’ll do it.

    Cheers…

    But, aw, Jet, but, you’re really trying to seventeenth-guess the jolly old American voting public above. You could really go crackers thinking about all the ramifications. Of course in a fair world, we’d never want to elect another white guy again after the Bush debacle…

  • Clavos

    Obama has remarkable feet???

    How did you discover that, Doc?

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Hello?

    Doctor Dreadful?

    I’m a doctor of chiropody…

    …and, bearing HIPAA in mind, perhaps I should say no more.

    ;-)

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Ah HA!!! You’re the one that keeps taking Bing’s foot out of his mouth… I KNEW it.

  • Arch Conservative

    “Michelle Obama is one up on me. Whereas, she has been proud of her country for the first time in her adult life. I, as a white woman, haven’t been proud yet.”

    Your the one not making sens Cindy. What kind of person cannot find one single thing about this nation to be proud of?

    If that’s the way you feel….if you feel nothing but disdain and shame for the nation in which you live then why don’t you go liver somewhere else.

    I know we’re all supposed to place nice and hold hands but when you make statements like you did in your last several posts I have to call you an idiot because that’s what you are Cindy.

  • Zedd

    Dan,

    “firm position that anyone silly and/or power hungry enough to run for the office of president should NEVER be elected.

    My earlier comment may have been a tad frivolous, but referring to bad, nasty people as bitches really does get to me.”

    I completely understand your sentiments. I am startled at how much they reflect my views. From where I sit, those conclusions say quite a bit about your character. Thank you. And thank you for the substance.

    On your loss, I felt your pain in the gut. I dread the time when I have to say goodbye to my baby girl. I hope that I wont loose her to such a tragedy. I am truly sorry.

  • troll

    Con – Uppity has absolutely no racial connotations in and of itself.

    this is contradicted by fact: the term as you use it is of African American origin and its first written use was in Uncle Remus

    do your homework

  • Cindy D

    Your the one not making sens Cindy. What kind of person cannot find one single thing about this nation to be proud of?

    If that’s the way you feel….if you feel nothing but disdain and shame for the nation in which you live then why don’t you go liver somewhere else.

    I started wondering, in high school, why I was told a bunch of lies about my country in grammar school. I wonder every day when I witness effect of the lies I was told (on most people) and the unquestioning embrace of this utopian image of ourselves. How can I be proud of a country that started out by lying to me about itself? When the dominant culture stops trying to lie to me every day (because the lies didn’t stop in grammar school) then I’ll be proud.

    BTW Arch, it might help if you (and the rest of the propaganda swallowing machine) went and lived somewhere else. I’d probably be very proud of whoever was left.

  • Cindy D

    Having said that, Arch, there are people in my country I am proud of.

  • Arch Conservative

    Cindy, your problem is that you, unlike myself cannot realize that there are things about this nation of which you can be ashamed and other things that you can be proud of.

    Your assertion that I buy into some utopian vision of this nation couldn’t be further from the truth. I have repeated acknolwdeged our mistakes, black marks and faults. . You on the other hand cannot bring yourself to say one positive thing about this nation. It’s YOU, not I that has been brainwashed. You’re intent on hating this country and demeaning it at all costs and any evidence to the contrary that this nation has actually done any good for even one individual just once in it’s history is not something that you will allow yourself to entertain because you are so small minded and will be forever so. You’re quite transparent.

    I feel sorry for you.

  • troll

    Con – I suggest that you try dealing with Cindy rather than with your head full of straw men

  • http://www.rapturenutballs.blogspot.com Baritone

    Arch,

    You accuse Cindy of being across the board negative about the U.S. How about your own blanket dislike of anyone or anything that smacks of being remotely liberal? You simply dismiss such people out of hand. Is that in any way a reasoned reaction? Did some roving gang of liberals beat you up when you were a kid? Did they make you gaze upon a photo of Ted Kennedy in between dunking your head in the locker room john while a recording of Streisand’s “Live in Central Park” album was playing over the PA system?

    Believe it or not, liberals are people too. We have feelings (other than the disdain and contempt that seems to be the limit of your emotional range.) If you cut our throats, do we not bleed? Yes, indeedlidoo we do.

    B-tone

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Put simply Arch, the last insanely long sentences of comment 78 is why no one takes you seriously and believes you’re a hypocrit of the most ultimate calibur

    Of course that’s only my opinion…

  • http://www.futonreport.net/ Matthew T. Sussman

    Stupid lousy bleeding throat liberals.

  • Heloise

    Hey, thanks for all the great, insightful comments. And yes “uppity” does have a racist ring to it. Why, because when whites see black women like Heloise the first thing they think is who’s that uppity black bitch–just kidding. That’s actually what my students seem to think of me.

    Read and leave comments for my latest:

    “Mouth Bush Erupts in Israel” should be out soon.

    Heloise

    Just waiting for Oprah to call…