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On August 21, 2008, Philip J. Berg, former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania, filed a lawsuit against presidential candidate Barack Obama. In the lawsuit Berg challenges Obama's claims to natural-born citizenship, raising questions about the authenticity of his birth certificate which has not been produced in original form and asking about his possible dual citizenship. According to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution, "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President."

Mud has been slung both ways. McCain’s birth in American territory in Panama was called into question.  Many Internet rumors concerning Obama’s citizenship have floated helplessly in the cyber abyss. But in both instances, the truth surfaced just as quickly as the lie.

However, as of today, Berg’s case against Obama has yet to be resolved. I know, women and children alike fawn and faint over this savior. But it is actually possible that Oprah was wrong. Even if he is a natural-born citizen, Obama’s tongue isn’t “dipped in the unvarnished truth.”

Here’s the video of the "October Surprise" where Berg explains his case:


I do not support Obama. I’ve been a Republican since before I could vote, so my bias can’t be trusted by those who would so easily dismiss this case. But like Berg, a dedicated Democrat, I do have a question. Why doesn’t Obama just release the tangible copy of his birth certificate , instead of this unrealistic version that many are questioning?

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  • http://www.axjus.com AXJ

    To answer your question apparently AXJ of Kenya has discovered he was truly born in Kenya since his mother was not permitted to board the flight to he USA until after she gave birth to Mr. Obama. That is why it was recorded August 8, 1961. Check the news on the http://www.axjus.com website 24/7/365 for major developments.

  • moon

    Who cares?

    There have been plenty of bad presidents that were born in their countries–the current one springs quickly to mind.

    There have been plenty of bad presidents that were not really eligible to be elected but they submitted phony birth certificates–Vicente Fox here in Mexico and Fujimori in Peru also spring quickly to mind (Fuji’s in jail and Fox SHOULD be). Their last names should have given folks just a small hint that they shouldn’t have been running….

    I won’t go into the subject of good presidents, as I really do not believe that the US DESERVES a good president. Gringos need to change their greedy, rapacious, vulgar and bullying behaviors and become citizens of this planet.

    A few hundred years of sackcloth and ashes and living in rusted out Barracudas eating catchow would go a long way toward creating a deserving citizenry.

  • concerned

    this needs to get out into the mainstream media. Our founding fathers set this up to protect us. We should heed their warning.

    Do whatever you can to get this in the media.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    I wonder if the author (and Mr Berg) would care to rein in their zeal for a moment and explain this away.

    Perhaps Barack’s mom, anticipating that he would one day wish to run for president, obligingly placed the ad in the Honolulu Advertiser as part of his backstory.

    In all seriousness, the Obama birth certificate nonsense has been comprehensively debunked.

    Oh, and just for good measure

    Next!

  • moon

    There’s a sucker born every nonosecond in Gringolandia.

    That’s what makes you folks so much….fun.

  • Jack Salley

    Regarding the issue of where Barack Hussein Obama was born.

    A Presidential candidate must be a natural-born citizen of the United States.

    That is why attorneys for Obama and the National Democratic Committee [NDC] filed their motion for dismissal of the Berg vs. Obama, Civil Action No. 08-cv-4083 lawsuit late last month. On Oct. 6, they also asked that evidence gathering (a ‘vault’ form of his birth certificate “Original” Long Form) be put off until U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick in Philadelphia rules on the motion.

    Obama posted a copy of a birth certificate [labeled from the state of Hawaii] on his campaign Web site and it was examined and Oked by Factcheck.org. But the authenticity of the birth certificate has been challenged by Philadelphia attorney Philip J. Berg and reputed to be the birth certificate of his sister, and not his.

    Additionally, the hospital in Hawaii in which Mr. Obama claims to have been born was not built at the time of his birth.

    “This is the first time in the history of our government that an unqualified person has run for the office of president,” said Berg.

  • http://victorplenty.blogspot.com Victor Plenty

    This reminds me of people who believe the Apollo moon landings were faked.

  • Clavos

    Or that 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government…

  • rich
  • Cindy D

    Palin is from outer space. Is that ok for a VP?

    Berg is a disgruntled Hillary supporter crackpot.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    Re comment #8, claiming Additionally, the hospital in Hawaii in which Mr. Obama claims to have been born was not built at the time of his birth. So what? If accurate, this just shows his uncanny ability to see the future, even back then.

    Dan(Miller)

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    BC must be accepting 9/11 Truth articles again if this nonsense is getting through

    The Univ of Oklahoma must be proud to see the reporting done by their Bachelor of Arts in Journalism graduates.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    A natural born
    citizen
    is one born in the US OR born of US parents.

    If one was born after 1952 citizenship “devolves if either parent was a United States citizen.” See here.

    Dan, you are getting smarmier every day. I actualy used to kind of respect you, even though we disagreed on many things. But you have gotten so weird and ugly lately, so one-note wonder on this Obama as the Chrst like mystic figure, which no one who is actually voting for him thinks, that I think the Panamanian sun, or perhaps, (I do hope not) an illness or something had gone to your head……

  • Cindy D

    Janica,

    Here are a two ways to spot crackpot information:

    1) The disseminator of the information includes the word “illuminati” in its name.

    2) The host comes on and the first thing he says is “I’ don’t wear a tin-foil hat.”

  • http://victorplenty.blogspot.com Victor Plenty

    Lisa, even on NPR the comics often quip about the messianic fervor of some Obama supporters. And I don’t think any of them live in Panama.

  • Clavos

    Apparently, Farrakhan won’t be voting for BHO.

  • Joe

    I’ve never seen a candidate fight so hard to–keep hidden–something that ordinary American citizens are required to show all the time–including verification for little league baseball! He’s running for president of the United States for crying out loud! Please just produce the birth certificate as required by the U.S. Constitution Obama!

  • Cindy D

    Joe,

    Please see comment #4.

    He already did that.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    [sigh] He has produced it and it’s been verified.

    Joe, you do realize that some rumors aren’t true, don’t you?

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    Joe, where was his mother born? And don’t you think the FBI, CIA or some government agency would have researched this and made it known if this nonsense had any merit?

  • http://www.axjus.com AXJ

    I’ve never seen a candidate fight so hard to–keep hidden–something that ordinary American citizens are required to show all the time–including verification for little league baseball! He’s running for president of the United States for crying out loud! Please just produce the birth certificate as required by the U.S. Constitution Obama!…

    NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE NO PRESIDENCY

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Snopes.com has an article with a scan of the birth certificate. It’s far more authentic and American looking than mine is, and there’s no question I’m a US citizen. It’s even in only 1 language and mine is in 3 (guess which ones).

    Dave

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    I see AJX is determined to make a jerk of himself on as many threads as possible – view Obama’s birth certificate.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    AJX most certainly has to be related to JOM. Trust me no matter how many times you try to spread you assinine lie, it’s not fooling anyone.

    Let’s see the U.S. Government, the Senate, the Elections Board. Do you really think we/they are stupid enough to allow him to run if he wasn’t a citizen?

    I pity your stupidity

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    I have never seen a commentor fight so hard to believe a falsehood. At least we know the J in AXJ stands for Joe

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Have to disagree with you El, I don’t think even he’s stupid enough to believe his own bullshit…

    …then again

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    By the way did you hear that all registered Republicans with odd-numbered birth years have been asked to vote on the 5th in order to eliviate the long lines that are expected at the polling places?

  • http://victorplenty.blogspot.com Victor Plenty

    Jet! Shame on you. Tell the truth! All Republicans can cast votes anytime between Friday, November 7 and Sunday, November 9.

    Well, maybe you were just confused. Republican absentee ballots will still be valid as long as the postmark is between November 5 and November 8.

    Democrats are complaining about the requirement to vote earlier than Republicans, but hey, those Dems are always gonna whine about something, right?

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    I’m so ashamed

  • Cannonshop

    Sorry, but this one doesn’t seem to have any “legs”, if it did, I’m almost certain that Hillary’s people would have used it during the Primary, being as it’s an obvious one.

  • hmmm

    I say “he’s not producing” them, “he’s a fraud, a phony… he should be arrested.. tried ..and deported.”

    “Barack Obama is not a natural born citizen..”

    “..and I think those statements indicate, that he really was not born here in the United States.”

    “Our further investigation has discovered, it really doesn’t matter if he was born in Hawaii or not.”

    So, he’s not but if he is’nt it doesn’t matter because ….

  • http://www.futonreport.net/ Matthew T. Sussman

    Virgin birth via Sarah Palin. Mystery solved.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Victor, Not sure what you mean…. But Dan DOES live in Panama, where he is NOT among Obama supporters, instead among those who seem to wish to continually amuse themselves (and only themselves) making fun of those who support Obama. Just wondering about heatstroke, or something:)

    But really Janica, what a waste of an opinion piece. How many conspiracy theories do you belive in, in general?

  • Laura

    These are all LIES about Obama. Hello dont you think the US government has vetted him properly? Its not like he is some random person that came from no where. I am personally so sick of all thses lies, the world is watching and yes they still think Americans are stupid because of videos and comentary like this….

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    What parts of 23 & 24 didn’t you understand Laura?

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Suss, after seeing pictures of the “First Dude”, I can understand why many would think it was a virgin birth(s)

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    It’s even in only 1 language and mine is in 3 (guess which ones).

    Weren’t you born in Iraq? I’m guessing Arabic, English and French.

  • moon

    “Or that 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government…”

    It WAS. They were the ONLY ones who had motive, means and opportunity.

    Just logic solves that non-problem.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    Lisa, re comment #13 — Thanks for your kind, but unwarranted, concern for my health; it is just fine.

    If, as I assume, you were referring to my Comment #11 on this thread, that comment quoted from what was then Comment #8 which appears subsequently to have been deleted. My Comment #11 was an attempt at humor, directed at the quoted portion of former Comment #8.

    During the current election cycle, one can either laugh or cry; I prefer to laugh. Tears tend to damage keyboards. If my attempts at humor are offensive, I can only refer you to my comment #52 on another thread.

    Dan(Miller)

  • http://janicasravings.blogspot.com Janica

    Lisa, How many conspiracies do I believe in? Oh you know, ten or twenty. Because asking someone to show a birth certificate is exactly like believing we didn’t land on the moon.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    My bad. My reference in Comment #11 was to comment #6, and it is still up. Sorry about that.

    Dan(Miller)

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    Lisa, re Comment #33,

    But Dan DOES live in Panama, where he is NOT among Obama supporters, instead among those who seem to wish to continually amuse themselves (and only themselves) making fun of those who support Obama.

    Aren’t assumptions fun! And making fun of some of Senator Obama’s supporters is really easy.

    I do live in Panama, where most of the Panamanians don’t seem to care much about either Senator Obama or Senator McCain. They have other concerns. The local newspapers tend to take rather a neutral stance. I have not conducted a scientific poll, but it is my impression that a majority of the Gringos, living in their imported Gringolandia environments, actually favor Senator Obama. Not a problem. Those who vote (or have already done so) doubtless experienced the same frustrations in getting absentee ballots as my wife and I did. It took several hours, including two e-mails, use of “snail mail” and a phone call to the U.S. to get the right stuff, and getting the ballots back to the U.S. on time would have been difficult if my wife had not been traveling to California for a visit tomorrow. Still, voting is worth the effort.

    Dan(Miller)

  • moon

    No it is NOT, Dan.

    Absentee ballots are not counted.

    Supposedly the rationale is that most of them arrive too late and the elections have already been called.

    They just toss them out.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Weren’t you born in Iraq? I’m guessing Arabic, English and French.

    Well, I was born in Lebanon, but you’re dead on with the languages.

    Dave

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    From his avatar I’d have said Transylvania, but what to I know?

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    Moon, re comment #43. You may be right, but I hope that you are wrong. Ours will be posted from California on or about 24 October and should arrive in Maryland well before 4 November. Even if they are not counted, it makes me feel good. Feeling good is nice.

    Dan(Miller)

  • moon

    Dan, whatever makes you happy.

    Nothing about Gringolandia’s political system gives me warm fuzzies.

    My voting history:

    1972: McGovern (I lived in Massachusetts then and the polling place was the local auction house, so I previewed the following Saturday’s auction while voting).

    1980: Ed Clark, Libertarian.

    1984: Wrote in Jesse Jackson (my acupuncturist said he would not continue the treatment unless I went across the street and voted against Reagan, so I wrote in Jesse as he was somebody I knew from the old days in Chicago).

    And that’s all, folks.

    I don’t believe in exercising one’s civic duty by holding my nose and voting for the lesser of two:

    a) evils
    b) obviously developmentally disableds
    c) clowns
    d) scumbags
    e) paranoid powermongers
    f) cheap crooks (nor expensive ones)
    g) bigots
    h) senile professional old farts

    and the list to choose from goes on and on, but it does NOT include: CREDIBLE LEADERS.

  • Lace

    this is quite interesting- it hasnt really been all over the news like it should be if it was that serious with the judge and all. whenever these campaigns begin, people big up their entire pasts to try and make them look bad. everyone makes mistake- noone is perfect or flawless- but if obama wasnt really born in the US i cant say that ill support him for that reason its not following US protocol. its not making him any less of a person, just now qualified to the presidency. although im still unsure who im voting for. i was kinda ticked at how dissmissive and sarcastic obama was towards any issues mccain offered on the table at the last debate. whoever the hell wins it, we have alot of work to do. im unsure if its even repairable. you cant listen to everything you read and head, which is why im uneasy about this article DAN.

  • Lace

    really though, this is ridiculous.whenever there is a campaign or anyone famous, things of their pasts are dug up to make people look bad. this happens every single day. being born in another country does not make obama any less of a person,just that he does not qualify for presidency. if this was all true, i am sure the media would have made it bigger than it was and who knows the real story? dan said, obama said he was bron one place, and his sister said he was born somewhere else. somewhere in the middle of that, is the truth. we may never know. this is all stupid, and im fed up and sick of obama and the way he was dissmissive and sarcastic towards mccain and the issues in the debate last wk. he does not speak with passion or for a care in what he is saying, everything he says sounds scripted because it is! i dont know who the hell to vote for!

  • Lace

    presidency. if this was all true, i am sure the media would have made it bigger than it was and who knows the real story? dan said, obama said he was bron one place, and his sister said he was born somewhere else. somewhere in the middle of that, is the truth. we may never know. this is all stupid, and im fed up and sick of obama and the way he was dissmissive and sarcastic towards mccain and the issues in the debate last wk. he does not speak with passion or for a care in what he is saying, everything he says sounds scripted because it is! i dont know who the hell to vote for!

  • rm

    Do some research, and you too will realize that the US birth certificate (or lack therof) will definately be the “show-stopper” for Obama. He was born in Kenya. He really had some people fooled there for awhile.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    @ #44: Lebanon, eh? That makes more sense with the French. Dunno why I thought Iraq – must’ve had you confused with Stan.
    @ #45: LOL Jet!

  • http://www.thepolitikos.com Heloise

    WTF? Heloise said that the constitution should be amended so that NO one whose grandparents (on) both sides were not born in the USof A or were not US citizens–he or she should NOT be allowed to hold high office. That would have included Alberto Gonzales and now Bobby Jindal. That’s what made me think of it.

    Many folks would be out of the US loop if this were the case.

    The maker of this video is fucking crazy. Obama’s mother was a US-born citizen and hence regardless to where he was born he would be also. Nationals are also citizens. If the constitution says natural born, then that would leave Scqharteznegger pout too.

    Why? Because the converse here is true. Any woman fresh from the borders of Mexico who comes here and gives birth then that child is a US citizen automatically.

    Now, until, unless and when that part of the 14th amendment equation is changed shut the FUCK up people. When I said that about amending the constitution I was also including Obama.

    Too late.

    Heloise

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Dan, and your point was?

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Janica, have you asked to see McCain’s birth certificate? Or are you particular?

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    Lisa, re Comment #54: I am confident that you can figure it out. I still have faith in your abilities.

    Dan(Miller)

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    Did you ask to see Obama’s mother’s? That could render the whole question moot.

  • Cindy D

    Rm,

    I worship the devil. I can put a curse on people over the internet. And I eat children.

    Watch your step.

  • Cindy D

    Is this thread located in an alternate universe?

  • http://www.thepolitikos.com Heloise

    Obviously the writer of this article (is she a foreigner?)drank the Berg kook-aid. What’s so funny about saying someone drank the (whatever) kool-aid or kook-aid as I call it…is that it’s so damn funny because it’s not even a metaphor. It really happened by those poor Jim Jones folks who drank the cult kool-aid Jones was peddling. I’m vegan and never drank kool-aid in my life–it ain’t kosher. Too black for me.

    Heloise

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    I think you guys will enjoy this link. I still think it’s utter bullshit, but now it’s thicker, frothier and even more crazy bullshit. Have fun with it.

    Dave

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Here’s another interesting link with what purports to be documentary evidence that Obama was at one time both a muslim and an Indonesian citizen. How meaningful the document is can certainly be debated.

    Dave

  • Clavos

    Absentee ballots are not counted.

    Supposedly the rationale is that most of them arrive too late and the elections have already been called.

    They just toss them out.

    Bullshit.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    Dave,

    I expect to find that the newly released X files will demonstrate beyond a questions that Senator Obama was born on Jupiter, or perhaps on some planet located somewhere in the outer-spiral arm of the galaxy. Sorry, I didn’t go to the links. Perhaps one of them is to the pertinent X files.

    Dan(Miller)

  • Clavos

    Do not blaspheme the Messiah, Dan(Miller) or you will surely rot in Hell (or maybe California) for all eternity!

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    Clav,

    Thanks for the warning. However, I agree with Mark Twain that, if I have a choice, I would prefer Hell to Heaven (or California). Too many “Christians” in the former, and too many “socialists” in the other. Oh. Did you know? “Socialist” is now a code word for Black.

    Dan(Miller)

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    I absolutely, along with Colin Powell, do not care whether Obama is a Muslim or not. As I would not care if he were Jewish or a Hindu.

    As to whether is birth certificate proves he is an American citizen, please see my earlier post.

  • Cannonshop

    #67 Lisa, it’s not a matter of being a U.S. Citizen. It’s a matter of being a U.S. Citizen that is qualified to serve as the U.S. President.

    Arnold Schwarzennegger (sp?) is a U.S. Citizen-but he’s not qualified to be POTUS.

    Mind you, I don’t think the allegation that Obama’s not qualified (constitutionally) will stand up to serious scrutiny-he was PROBABLY born in Hawaii on the date he says he was-anything other than that, and his opponent during the Primaries would have certainly nailed him on it, the Clintons being past-masters of Opposition Research and both Lawyers themselves.

    Article 2, 5th paragraph:
    “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States. “

    Since we have nobody left alive who was born prior to 1789, that is generally taken to mean “Natural Born Citizen of the United States”, meaning that even really, REALLY patriotic immigrants who’ve got their citizenship can’t be President (or, for that matter, Vice President).

    U.S. Territory tends to include U.S. military bases (i.e. if Gov. Schwarzennegger had been born, say, on a U.S. military base, or in an Embassy Compound, he would qualify), Vessels, and Diplomatic sites (otoh, if he’d been born in the Austrian Embassy in New York, he wouldn’t be a “Natural Born” U.S. citizen!)

    this is further muddied by the gray areas surrounding U.S. Citizenship (i.e. if you mom was a U.S. citizen, and you’re born in a foreign country, very likely thou shalt be considered a yank-but if your daddy was a soldier passing through, as has happened with Amerasian kids in Vietnam, you’re shit out of luck and have to do that whole “applying for citizenship” bit.)

    But on a strict basis, if Obama was born in Kenya, and someone wanted to really, REALLY push it, they could argue the case-and get nowhere. His mom’s a U.S. citizen, after all.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Dear Cannon, I am not ignorant. I understand. I think he qualifies and that this is a stupid non issue.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    And Dan, I simply A) do not find you amusing, and B) do not care whether Panamanians are as obsessed by our election as we are. I would not expect them to be, nor would I expect us to be as obsessed by theirs.

    PS I hope your vote counts, no matter who you vote for. I do not think Moon is correct that absentee ballots are tossed into the trash.

    PPS Moon, I AM not calling you a liar.

  • http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/39420/joanne_huspek.html Joanne Huspek

    Quite an interesting video, whether made by real journalists or Roswell conspiracy theorists.

    What’s the big deal? Produce the birth certificate, already. If you don’t have an original, there are ways (if you were born in the US or on overseas military bases of US parents) of getting a certified birth certificate. Even if your hospital is no longer in existence. I had to do it myself a couple of years ago, when it became apparent that my original Department of Defense birth certificate was rotting with age. It took three months and $65 but I did it. He can too, if he wants to.

  • Cindy D

    Joanne,

    He did produce it. It was verified. See comment #19, and comment #4.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Cindy, the promoters of this theory maintain (correctly as far as I can tell) that the birth certificate which Obama has produced, while legal, is not actually his original birth certificate or a copy of it, but rather a secondary form certifying his birth after the fact, a point on which they appear to be correct. There is no reason to believe it doesn’t contain exactly the same information as the original document, but it is not that document and thats what they are all up in arms about.

    Dave

  • Cindy D

    So then, anyone who lost their original birth certificate is in question. Like me.

    It’s legal. End of story.

  • moon

    clavos,

    Before you shoot from the hip to call ANYTHING I say bullshit, you had better have PROOF.

    I researched this issue very thoroughly in 2004.

    And bullshit is not part of my stock in trade.

  • Lumpy

    as I see it the issue here is not whether Barry Sotero is a muslim or a kenyan or whatever, but why he has gone to such lengths to cover up and hide the facts of his background.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Lumpy, I hope you have reliable documentation of your claim that Obama has covered up his background.

  • moon

    Lisa,

    What you think and what you HOPE to be the case apparently are one and the same.

    Dream on.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    Doc, do you also hope unicorns are real?

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    No, but Lumpy does, and he’s on Google right now desperately searching for evidence that Obama has one as a pet and is trying to keep it on the down-low.

  • http://www.axjus.com AXJ of Kenya

    Apparently AXJ of Kenya has contacted Hospital and Certificate of Live Birth has been posted. Good job!

  • moon

    Right.

    How much are you being paid to troll these internet blogsites?

    I am sure someone would pay you more just to get rid of you.

    You are a nuisance.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Dear Moon (because apparently you are back, for whatever reason). Please provide proof that absentee ballots are thrown in the trash.
    Thanks, Lisa.

  • Clavos

    But, but, but, Lisa:

    She DID provide proof (at least in her estimation); here it is:

    I researched this issue very thoroughly in 2004.

    And bullshit is not part of my stock in trade.

    What more do you need?

  • moon

    Lisa, I don’t know why you are always on the rag when I post here.

    But, since I am such a sport, here goes:

    I bothered to do the research in 2004 when several friends sent in absentee ballots in Washington State. They were not counted. I was in Seattle for the month around election time, and I did the research because there were reports of problems registering and folks being erased from rolls in many states across the US.

    But don’t take my word for it, Lisa and Clavos.

    This is what the Wall Street Journal’s archives have to say about absentee ballots in Washington State:

    “Washington state has supplanted Florida as the leading example of the need for election reform. The Evergreen State’s voting system is so sloppy that you can’t tell where incompetence ends and actual fraud might begin. Three Washington counties just discovered 110 uncounted absentee ballots–including 93 from Seattle’s King County–in a governor’s race that occurred more than five months ago and was decided by only 129 votes. Officials in Seattle’s King County admit they may find yet more ballots before a court hearing next month on whether a new election should be called. Last Friday, they reported finding a 111th ballot.

    The infamous 2004 governor’s race was finally decided seven weeks after the election, after King County officials found new unsecured ballots on nine separate occasions during two statewide recounts. After the new ballots were counted, Democrat Christine Gregoire won a 129-vote victory out of some three million ballots cast. Even as she was sworn in last January, King County election supervisor Dean Logan admitted it had been “a messy process.”

    He wasn’t kidding. During the two recounts, Mr. Logan’s office discovered 566 “erroneously rejected” absentee ballots, plus another 150 uncounted ones that turned up in a warehouse. Evidence surfaced that dead people had “exercised their right to vote”; documentation was presented that 900 felons in King County alone had illegally voted and that military ballots were sent out too late to be counted. A total of 700 provisional ballots had been fed into voting machines before officials had determined their validity. In the four previous November elections, King County workers had never mishandled more than nine provisional ballots in a single election.”

    You can google 2004 Washington State Governor’s Election if you want to read more. The WSJ is not a saint of my devotion, BTW.

    That’s just one state?

    Maybe. Maybe not.

    I know for a fact that New Mexico’s absentee ballots are not counted, but the dead folks from Rio Arriba County are the most dedicated voters on the planet.

    Just two states?

    They happen to be 2 of the 3 states that this poster has voted in.

    Seems like it’s now up to YOU to do a little research on this issue, now, ain’t it, kids????

    Show me proof that the states I have NOT voted in count their absentee ballots, and maybe some folks will feel more trust in the system.

    This poster, for example.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    Does anyone have proof that their vote does get counted? After submitting the ballot or pressing the touch screen, I never see mine again.

  • moon

    In order to have reasonable assurances that at least MANY votes are counted, you would need to have an audit and certification system such as the ones used in non-Gringolandia elections.

    Even then you could fall through the cracks–or be thrown away like in many places in the US and Mexico.

    Of course if the voting machines or ballot boxes are STUFFED, as we say here in Mexico, then even if your vote IS counted it doesn’t mean anything because all kinds of bogus votes are counted right along with it.

    In Venezuela one touches but also receives a paper ballot receipt that is placed in the box. That way an audit can be done–and IS done. As a practising accountant for many years I can tell you that double entry was invented because it’s the only system that can be audited and certified.

    The problem in the US is that gringos believe that they are above the law–from the current occupant of the Oval Office to Joe (sic) the Plumber.

    You can’t be above the law and enforce the law–whether election law or any other–at the same time.

    It just don’t work that way, kids.

  • Clavos

    Now see, moon, wasn’t that easy?

    Your #85 is a whole lot more believable (and makes a very different point) from this, which you posted in #43:

    Absentee ballots are not counted.

    Supposedly the rationale is that most of them arrive too late and the elections have already been called.

    They just toss them out.

    In fact, Cannonshop (who lives in the SEA area) has posted similar comments about voting in Washington as well.

    I withdraw my call of bullshit, at least where the mishandling of Washington ballots is concerned, though I note that you did not provide proof that they are “thrown away.”

    As for providing evidence that absentee ballots are counted in other states in order to restore your and others’ faith in the system, I respectfully decline.

    I think EB’s point is valid. None of us have any proof.

  • Pablo

    Land o the free and home of the brave, only problem is most americans are too dumbass stupid to demand that their vote counts. They deserve what they get.

  • Pablo

    Clavos said:

    “I withdraw my call of bullshit, at least where the mishandling of Washington ballots is concerned”

    I can admire a man who admits his bullshit, too bad its only once in a full moon, if you had to admit the rest of the bs you have spouted the past six months or so, you would be busy indeed Clavy.

  • Clavos

    most americans are too dumbass stupid to demand that their vote counts. They deserve what they get.

    Quoted for Truth.

    (Not that it would change anything if they did)

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Moon,
    I see you posted your “proof” here. What you proved was election problems. And I agree. What you did not prove was that absentee ballots were or are thrown in the trash. There is voter fraud, there is disenfranchisement, there are illegalities. I do not deny that. What I do deny is that ballots are just tossed for the hell of it, which is, after all, what you claimed.

    Watch your words.

    And there is no need to be ugly and say what you said.

    You, after all, are the one who is always angry and ill-tempered.

    No on else’s nastiness compares to yours, which is why you are constantly being banned from the list.

  • CallmeMaddy

    Lisa Solod Warren–

    Calm down. Moon isn’t personally attacking you. Yet, you are personally attacking her AND saying that her nastiness compares to no one. Why are you always attacking others?

    Ridiculous that a teenager must tell you this.

    Maddy

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Darlin, you’re just on your high horse because I called you out on two of your opinion pieces. I get it. It’s okay.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    Well I haven’t seen you call me out, Lisa, and I think you should give the whining a rest as well. You are over sensitive and no longer garner any sympathy with your continual engaging of Moon. Go read the fables the “The Old Lady and the Snake” and “The Scorpion and the Frog.”

  • Cannonshop

    Wow, Moon, I didn’t think anyone outside of Washington State was even paying attention to that-certainly the reporters at KING, KIRO, and KSTW (our NBC, CBS, and ABC affiliates at that time) didn’t after Queen Christine was inaugurated.
    ’twas three voting districts in Seattle/king county that had all the “Oops, found another one” votes. In the process of three recounts, Gregoire lost ground everywhere else…except in King County, in three districts. ALL the votes that put her over the top came from those three sites.

    Notably, votes filed on behalf of the dead weren’t the only fun things-there were also votes cast by teh same person twice-once for each candidate!

    The State Republicans have their own blame on this one, though-the dumb bastards wrote their suit in such a way that the State Courts were pretty much Required to throw them out, and Sam Reed (a Republican, though gods only know why), the SecState here, certified the Recount as “Proper” even though there were blatant problems including the missing military votes, the Felons voting, the Dead votes, the Double votes, and the fictional-people-votes. (one notable example being in one area in King County that had around 750 people registered as LIVING IN the elections office! as in that was their mailing address…)

    Naturally, having been indoctrinated to vote by my parents (though not “how”-my mom, bless her heart, is a dedicated Democrat), I still do-now, though,it’s in hopes that they’ll have to use their fictional, dead, and multiple people again and again,until someday (maybe) someone finally has had enough, has a pang of Ethics, and actually does something concrete about it.

    (or people get fed up, gather the torches and pitchforks, and enact electoral reform the old-fashioned way.)

    THIS year, I fully expect that eleven electoral votes from washington will go to Barack Obama, that Christine will have her second term, and that they’ll do their darndest to hide and conceal the Washington Politburo of King County’s control over the rest of the state. It will be significantly easier, since there’s no pesky Voter logs to go over, and all the ballots in King and Snohomish County are mail-in ballots.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    El, Who gave you a dog in this hunt?

  • Cindy D

    I think moon is colorful, vibrant, and defiant. She speaks her mind. She challenges the status quo. I like it.

    Lisa–I also often admire your posts and think of you as someone who speaks her mind. There is a difference in style. There’s enough room for differences. In all fairness, it was a rough first meeting with moon, I recall.

    But, you called Maddy “Darlin”. Intentionally being condescending to a teen. Why?

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Because.Cindy. she has admitted she hates to read and obviously did not read all the posts on both the opinion pieces, but merely jumped in because she remains angry at me because I took her to task on two of her opinion pieces where she clearly did not do her homework. She jumped in to defend a woman who is clearly capable of defending her own self just to be what she thought was clever.

    And, Cindy, I guess I am old fashioned enough to think that teens need to give us oldsters some respect, first, which she never seemed to learn. She has a tendency to be dismissive and flippant, something I never allow from my own teenaged daughter. Her own comment about “ridiculous that a teenager should have to tell you this” deserved much more than a “darlin'” in my opinion. I was being kind.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    I have a modest proposal:

    In view of all the fun being had here and on other threads, e.g., this one, perhaps we could have a virtual pie throwing contest. The pies could bear cute names for their intended recipients, and the recipients could counter someway or other. I haven’t quite figured out the details yet, but perhaps some of the BC folks over in the Games section could lend a hand.

    To ensure kindness to the elderly, we should get to specify what type of pie we like. My preference is blueberry, but I like apple as well.

    Dan(Miller)

  • Cindy D

    I want a chocolate mousse cake. A really good one, no typical commercial junk.

    But, if I have to choose a pie, it would have to be a high quality chocolate cream. With fresh whipped cream please. Not that stuff from a can or god forbid coolwhip.

  • moon

    Dan,

    Sweet idea, but I wouldn’t be able to participate as pie as one knows it in the US does not exist here in Mexico. I had to go all the way to a joint in the middle of nowhere outside of Tucson, AZ called, quaintly, “Coyote Pause” to get a decent piece of lemon meringue pie on October 1st. It was the LAST piece, too–so the universe was beaming at me that morning.

    (BEST restaurant pie for breakfast spot is also in Arizona: in Douglas–an otherwise dismal hole best known for its proximity to one of the planet’s biggest openpit copper mines.)

    And no, I don’t make pies–despite spending my early childhood making pie cookies at the elbow of my grandmother Aimee, a world-class pie maker (as well as the holder of hundreds of prizes for dahlias and several national records for indoor and outdoor target shooting), I can’t make a piecrust to get out of jail.

    However, as I am probably older than anyone else regularly posting here–will be 64 if I make it to November 28th–I suggest that Lisa follow her own spinsterly-presented advice and pay respect to her olders–especially since I was probably receiving my PhD before she was even born (well, maybe I exaggerate, as my daughter was born halfway through my first semester in the UMass program).

    BTW: I do not respect whiners of any stripe–no matter whether they are “on the rag”, just chewing on one, or–in the case of the editor of this section–takin’ one “off the bush”.

    If clavos was actually apologizing for calling me a liar, I will accept his apology.

    Y’all go right ahead and vote, now. Even vote absentee so as to avoid standing in line at your polling place (and finding your name has been erased from the list when you get to the table).

    Do it confidently, with your head held high.

    After all, in Gringolandia nobody is going to screw with your unalienable rights!

    PS to Cannon: I just happen to be from Washington State (BA from UW back when dinosaurs were the smartest species in the classroom), and my daughter is deputy director of a art museum in the Seattle area. I still have a ton of friends there (obviously, few are gringos–mostly other Native Americans and Filipinos). I spent a month in the state in 2004 to observe the election madness and chicanery at close range–and I have to say it did not let my expectations down.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    Moon, you claim that I am probably older than anyone else regularly posting here–will be 64 if I make it to November 28th– Sorry, you lose. I turned 67 last June, and I believe that I am a reasonably regular poster. Psyllium does get some credit, but not all of it.

    PS: Can you support your claim with a birth certificate? Suitably embossed?

    Dan(Miller)

  • moon

    Just to dispel a certain libel circulating on this thread that this poster hates to read, please be advised ALL, that in addition to working each day on two books of poetry (one in English, the other in Spanish–sorry, Nalle, but my Arabic is not really any great shakes), cooking fabulous meals of Slow Food for our household of 7, piddling in eBay and in the moments best described as The Dead Zone, posting on this and a few other Internet blogsites–including, occasionaly, my OWN site I

    read

    at

    least

    one

    book

    each

    day.

    (Usually in Spanish, sometimes in another language.)

    I think that may show a love of reading that far surpasses that of the libelous rumor-monger(s) here on BC.

    Now back to the kitchen–where a huge cazuela of Texas-style chili is awaiting its–yes, organic butternut squash.

    In a few hours it will be served with chopped cilantro leaves, grated real Manchego (aka from Spain), avcado slices and handmade corn tortillas on a tablecloth purchased in Manama, Bahrain and hand-confected in Mozambique.

    Eat your hearts out.

  • Clavos

    Not an apology, moon; just a partial retraction.

    You never proved your assertion that they are willfully thrown away.

  • moon

    Dan,

    You got me.

    My birth certificate is yes appropriately bearing the seal of some Washington State office.

    I go nowhere psyllium. Good SLOW Food (see above), a healthy lifestyle away from the hassles of Gringolandia, a gargantuan passion for living–and the need to be a role model for other folks who have been living with systemic lupus since early childhood or for those who live with chronic illnesses I DON’T have, such as a slew of cancers and MS–keeps me going.

    Admittedly, the last ultrasound showed kidneys that appeared to have been largely chewed away by mice–but there’s nothing to be done about that….

    Cheers!

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Dan,

    I believe that Bliffle may have more seniority even than you. He has my permission to berate me if (a) he doesn’t and/or (b) it’s not something he wishes made public.

    As for me – I’m a mere stripling, chronologically speaking. I just feel 100 sometimes.

  • moon

    Clavos, if you can show me the difference in OUTCOMES between the scenarios of.

    not being counted but thrown under a table or in a drawer, and

    just being thrown away

    I will give you a round of applause–which is a lot more than your vote will be worth.

    (I didn’t mention anything about a garbage can, BTW–for you nitpickers who have too much egg on your faces to admit that you were WRONG.)

    Bullshit was not, is not and will not be my stock in trade.

    I shine conspicuously on this and other sites specifically because of that.

    Partial retraction–is that like being a little bit pregnant, or a little bit dead, clavos?

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    Doc,

    I think that we senile senior citizens should get a suitable handicap in the virtual pie throwing contest. I trust that my modest proposal for such a contest is being given serious consideration in the upper levels of BC.

    PS Thanks for deleting my duplicate post.

    Dan(Miller)

  • Clavos

    I have no interest in proving (or justifying) anything to you, moon.

    I didn’t make the false statement.

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Clavos, will you be tossing your hat into the aged sweepstakes?

    I wonder who is our oldest commenter? I was going to say most mature but then realised they were not synonymous. 😉

    Oh, and have you ever seen that hilarious show “Grumpy Old Men” or, for that matter, it’s counterpart “Grumpy Old Women”? Classic!

  • moon

    Uh, clavos, indeed you did make the false statement that what I said was BULLSHIT–which I refuted handily, even though I was under NO OBLIGATION to refute anything in response to PERSONAL ATTACKS by you against my integrity.

    Now you just made another false statement–you denied making the first one.

    You have never been ABLE to justify any of your PERSONAL ATTACKS against me, nor have you ever provided credible PROOF of any of your outrageous claims.

    Don’t upset the apple cart by providing any now.

    This conversation is over.

    You lost.

  • moon

    Please no more PERSONAL ATTACKS against me for a FEW HOURS.

    I really HAVE to go back to my cooking project for the day.

    I am NOT going to eat burned food just because you guys don’t like eating crow.

  • Clavos

    No, Chris, Dan has me beat.

    And I too seem to recall bliffle being older than Dan; perhaps 70 or 72.

  • Clavos

    Until you can prove it isn’t, I am calling the statement you made that:

    They just toss them [ballots] out bullshit.

    And that’s not a personal attack; it’s an attack on your statement.

  • zingzing

    i’m just surprised you old foggies know how to use the internets.

    i’m only three and a half years old.

    [open’s up arms, mouth, eyes and self to horrible attack]

    mommy.

  • Clavos

    i’m just surprised you old foggies know how to use the internets.

    It’s fogies, zing; although foggies probably applies to some of them as well.

  • Cindy D

    Dan,

    Handicapping in a virtual pie throwing contest?

    Just like a senior, always looking for special treatment.

  • Cindy D

    HAHA!

    Clav says, “them”.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    I really HAVE to go back to my cooking project for the day.

    Sorry, Marthe, I read about your cooking project; it sounded delicious, and I just had to ask. Is it kosher?

  • moon

    Ruvy:

    You should have been able to answer your own question since I posted the ingredients that will be offered as garnish for the chili.

    Those who do NOT put the Manchego as a garnish, the chili will be MORE OR LESS kosher (supposedly the animals are killed “cleanly” here in the village, but I wouldn’t want to bet much money on that.

    One of my 4 kitchen pinches returned from the fields to watch the oven and make sure that the chili is taken out JUST when the squash is tender, as I had forgotten that I have something I am bidding on closing on eBay in a few minutes.

    Of course MORE or LESS kosher is about like Clavos’ PARTIAL RETRACTION.

    Must be stressful to cut off one’s nose to spite one’s face all the time.

    No stress in MY life. Not a whit. Allah be praised.

  • moon

    zingzing,

    Since no one else has bothered to mention the OBVIOUS:

    Old FOGEYS (the preferred spelling) INVENTED the Internet.

  • Clavos

    HAHA!

    Clav says, “them”.

    You are merciless and unrelenting, Cindy.

    I will get even! :>)

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Old FOGEYS (the preferred spelling) INVENTED the Internet.

    I knew there had to be a deeper reason behind Al Gore’s suits and that beard he insisted on growing for a while…

  • zingzing

    clavos: “It’s fogies, zing; although foggies probably applies to some of them as well.”

    you know, i struggled with how to spell that. being that i don’t generally have any use for the word, i’m sure you will forgive my spelling error. that said… what’s up with you being a grammar/spelling nazi these days? and how does it feel to get it wrong!?

    oh, irony. this is irony, right chris? gotta go with the expert on this one.

    moon: “Since no one else has bothered to mention the OBVIOUS: Old FOGEYS (the preferred spelling) INVENTED the Internet.”

    moon makes a joke! in response to another joke! oh, the world is turning! i am… so happy…

    it really churns my butter, or whatever you old f-o-g-e-y-s would say.

  • zingzing

    really, the more i think about the phrase “churns my butter,” the more i am reminded of fecal relief. which might be appropriate. just thought i’d add that before anyone else did.

  • zingzing

    ok, no one respond to that “churn my butter” phrase. it really gets stuck (jesus) in your head (i wish) and it’s not pleasant. so many possibilities arise. god. it’s so revolting.

    s–s-s-ss—SANTORUM!

  • moon

    zing,

    You really needed to quit while you were ahead, or at least even.

    The kitchen pinches pulled the chili out of the oven at just the right moment. Fabulous!

    The key to perfect stews and chilis of all kinds is making them in enormous clay pots in the oven.

    That’s for those who CARE about what they put into their bodies.

    McDonald’s lovers and other carrion can skip my comments.

  • zingzing

    i will always continue my fight against good taste. except in chili.

  • Clavos

    zing,

    and how does it feel to get it wrong!?

    I don’t know, I didn’t…

    From Merriam-Webster online:

    “fogies
    One entry found.

    Main Entry:
    fo·gy Listen to the pronunciation of fogy
    Variant(s):
    also fo·gey Listen to the pronunciation of fogey \ˈfō-gē\
    Function:
    noun
    Inflected Form(s):
    plural fogies also fogeys
    Etymology:
    origin unknown
    Date:
    1780

    : a person with old-fashioned ideas —usually used with old
    — fo·gy·ish Listen to the pronunciation of fogyish or fo·gey·ish \-gē-ish\ adjective
    — fo·gy·ism Listen to the pronunciation of fogyism or fo·gey·ism \-gē-ˌi-zəm\ noun”

    and:

    “fogeys
    One entry found.

    Main Entry:
    fo·gy Listen to the pronunciation of fogy
    Variant(s):
    also fo·gey Listen to the pronunciation of fogey \ˈfō-gē\
    Function:
    noun
    Inflected Form(s):
    plural fogies also fogeys
    Etymology:
    origin unknown
    Date:
    1780

    : a person with old-fashioned ideas —usually used with old
    — fo·gy·ish Listen to the pronunciation of fogyish or fo·gey·ish \-gē-ish\ adjective
    — fo·gy·ism Listen to the pronunciation of fogyism or fo·gey·ism \-gē-ˌi-zəm\ noun”

    Notice that in both entries, the preferred version is fogy singular and fogies plural.

    Also in Dictionary.com/American Heritage Dictionary:

    “fogy
    Sponsored Links Fogies
    Bargain Prices. You want it, we got it!
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    2 dictionary results for: fogies
    Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) – Cite This Source – Share This
    fo⋅gy
       /ˈfoʊgi/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [foh-gee] Show IPA Pronunciation
    –noun, plural -gies.
    an excessively conservative or old-fashioned person, esp. one who is intellectually dull (usually prec. by old): The board of directors were old fogies still living in the 19th century.
    Also, fogey.”

    Clavos

  • zingzing

    meh. fogeys or fogies, it makes no difference.

    stop being grammar nazis. spelling nazis. whatever.

    you people will argue about anything, won’t you?

    bunch of butter-churning golden oldies.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Oh, no Moon, it was not you who doesn’t like to read. I was NOT referring to you. I must assume you do like to read.

    You make the chili With Manchego. My favorite cheese.

    I will make either key lime pie with real key limes of course.

    or the best pecan pie in the world, which does not throw well, but eats spectacularly.

    PS I very much doubt you were getting your PhD when you were 12, precocious as I assume you were. And I seriously doubt a twice married (and still married) woman is truly spinsterly.

    I admit to being somewhat old fashioned but let’s have a fucking truce already, if you will hold off on some of the Gringo-hating stuff? Surely every single Gringo is not awful and every foreigner perfect? I HAVE lived in two foreign countries and traveled extensively in at least a half a dozen more. The rest of the world is quite flawed, too.

  • Clavos

    rencorous rancorous

  • Cindy D

    moon, does your site have recipes? If not I guess I will have to search back for those ingredients.

    We have a low-sodium, low-fat thing going on here.

    Tonight I made grilled chicken (marinaded in sesame oil and garlic-red wine vinegar, garlic and onion powder) seasoned with homemade recaito, with portabello mushrooms and shallot sauteed in olive oil, avocado, fresh cilantro and halved grape tomatoes wrapped in warm pan toasted heart-healthy jalepeno-cilantro tortillas.

    Absolutely delicious for fast food (note the onion and garlic powder and the store bought tortillas).

  • Ms. Know

    Let’s not get into this discussion, because it’s a little too late. If we were going to talk about citizenship, it should have been discussed a while ago. This is just something for the mainstream media illuminati to talk about.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Those who do NOT put the Manchego as a garnish

    Done in by my own ignorance once more, Marthe. I like good cheddar, Swiss, Edam (not so much) and Parmesan cheese. I didn’t know that Manchego is a cheese at all. Since my heart attack 5 years a go, I don’t do cheese much anymore. I miss pizza and egg and cheese omelettes, and the like. Settling for 9% or 5% cream cheese on a bagel is so unsatisfying….

    But I have this selfish desire to hold on to this side of the veil at least until I see a grandchild bar/bat mitzva. From the way thngs look, that may be a while. So, I stay away from the stuff I love…. Selfish of me, isn’t it?

    I’m almost tempted to post the truth about kosher meat. Nah, I’ll save that for another time….

  • moon

    Ruvy,

    I am pretty sure that the kosher butchershop we used to patronize in Springfield, MA, back in the early 70s was not really kosher. But the meat from there did taste a lot better….

    Manchego cheese comes from the area of Spain (La Mancha) that Don Quixote chose not to remember.

    Cindy:

    I don’t do salt either, and I trim meat of fat (to avoid dryness, you can add a touch of heart-friendly olive oil). A recipe for chili that is pretty close to the one I made is available in this month’s Bon Appetit magazine–in fact there is a photo of it on the cover.

    I do not EVER make chili or other stews in a stockpot, however, which is what they show on the magazine cover. Clay pots are far superior for dishes of that type. I am able to buy them from local makers here for about 5 bucks apiece for the really big ones, which obviously will not be an option in the States–but you can ask at a local Mexican market or restaurant and they might be able to help.

    Ditch the onion and garlic powder–you will find that it has hidden salt–and it doesn’t take that long to chop onions and garlic. And any store-bought tortilla is filled with preservatives of all kinds–especially unhealthy.

    I am held to very standards here, as my soon to be 14 year old and who plans to become a chef would bust me in a heartbeat if I interjected any non-Slow Food anomalies into our kitchen.

  • moon

    clavos,

    Sorry I referred to you in Spanglish.

    Obviously the shoe fit.

  • moon

    Lisa:

    1. If you look back at your “justification” to other posters for your personal attacks against me, you will see that you did INDEED indicate that I don’t read, and went on to claim that I should have to read all entries on threads before posting–which would be a violation of my personal freedom.

    2. You also said that you had taken me to task for a couple of OPINION PIECES that I wrote–which is simply not true, as I have NEVER written ANY pieces for Blogcritics–and had not researched.

    3. Based on the above points, either you have me confused with another person on this site that you have it in for, or you are simply not reliable at describing your own behavior or thoughts.

    4. I do NOT make chili with Manchego. Manchego is grated and offered as a garnish. We also had garbnish choices of sliced avocado, chopped purple onion, chopped cilantro, fresh limes, a grated local fresh cheese and locally prepared chipotle chiles.

    5. I am not participating in the pie throwing venture.

    6. You are correct that I did not get my PhD when I was 12, but at 27. You are clearly a bit older than you look in the photo on this site.

    7. I am not interested in a truce, be it “fucking” or otherwise, as I have not been making personal attacks against you. I would like you to fulfill your promise NOT to engage me, which you have made and then violated several times.

    8. I do not believe that it is up to you to legislate my rights as to what I post in regard to Gringos on this or any other venue. I have every right to express my thoughts and feelings about Gringos, based on whatever criteria I select–especially since I am a US citizen! If you don’t like my posts, you are more than free to skip reading them.

    9. At no place or time have I ever indicated that other countries were not flawed–in fact, I regularly point out the political warts of the country where I live.

    10. Spinsterly is an adverb, and adverbs refer to HOW things are done or expressed–not to the marital history of the doer or expresser.

    I’m done now.

  • moon

    Cindy: The word NEPHEW is missing from the last paragraph of my post. Sorry.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Marthe,

    I am pretty sure that the kosher butchershop we used to patronize in Springfield, MA, back in the early 70s was not really kosher. But the meat from there did taste a lot better….

    What made the meat taste better was the fact that the blood was drained from it and it was salted. Draining the blood is requirewd under Jewish Law for all animals – even the ones that non-Jews eat, like pigs or horses – because the spirit (or soul) of the animal is in the blood, and one is forbidden to consume the animal’s spirit or soul. This must be returned to the earth.

    Jews tend to make a big deal out of slaughtering the animal according to the ritual given to our ancient priests. They get that part right in Israel. In America, they have more trouble. The part most miss on both sides of the Pond is that the animal – be it a chicken, turkey, cow or steer – is supposed to have some pleasure in its life while it LIVES. Now you tell me, does being confined to a tiny cage while being pumped with garbage 24/7 sound like an enjoyable life at all? That is the life of a turkey in Israel before it is slaughtered and processed for schwarma meat. That’s the life of a chicken, too.

    In the Kiddush (blessing) over the wine for Sabbath, it states that even the animals within one’s gate are supposed to have some rest on the Sabbath. The animals have no release from their torturous cages even for the Sabbath. Therefore, they are NOT kosher.

    Go publicize that point here in Israel and many many rice bowls will be tipped over – and the whistle blower is liable to be killed. Those guys in the long black coats pray hard – but cross them and you don’t want to be in their way.

    The only animals that are kosher at all anywhere in the world are the ones that are allowed a run or are given room to live, and who are left alone (except say, for milking a cow – not doing so on Sabbath would be painful for the cow) on the Sabbath – and which are slaughtered in accordance with Jewish Law.

    BOTH CONDITIONS MUST BE FILLED.

    I’m not tree hugger or vegetarian or animal lover – but I do know what the Torah says, and it is very plain. “The animals within your gate shall rest on the Sabbath.” Rest here, has to be interpreted as a release from the inhumane routine of being stuffed for slaughter.

    Most Israelis (not to mention Jews overseas) are entirely unaware of this – and if they are, the vast majority of Israelis cannot afford to buy chickens that run free. They are just too expensive. I leave you to draw the appropriate conclusions.

    Have a good week and try to enjoy the tough standards your nephew sets.

  • moon

    Thanks for the info, Ruvy.

    Here animals must also be drained of blood–I had a Gringo acquaintance who wanted to start a chicken business and he balked at that practice, so he went broke.

    Here animals are running around–none of the inhumane stuff that is the norm in Gringolandia–except for the eating of them, of course.

  • smrstrauss

    Re: “Why doesn’t Obama just release the tangible copy of his birth certificate , instead of this unrealistic version that many are questioning?”

    There’s a VERY simple answer. He cannot post a copy of his original birth certificate because he does not have it. Hawaii sends out only the Certification of Live Birth, which is what Obama posted. So, if Obama lost his original birth certificate, all that he can post is what Hawaii sent out, which is the Certification.

    The Certification is, however, a perfectly legal document, accepted as proof of birth in Hawaii by the US State Department and the US Military, and it is the only thing that Hawaii sends out, as this fellow confirms:

    Barack Obama: Born in Hawaii By: Andrew Walden
    FrontPageMagazine.com | Wednesday, April 01, 2009

    A fairly impressive internet industry has sprung up claiming that Obama was born in either Kenya or Indonesia. This is nonsense which distracts from the broadly unexplored story of Obama’s upbringing. This kind of nonsense has emerged because the McCain campaign chose not to raise the many questions about Barack Obama’s numerous hard-left alliances. Barack Obama was born in Hawai’i, August 4, 1961 at Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu.
    Obama’s birth certificate posted online is exactly the same birth certificate everybody in Hawaii gets from the State Department of Health. It is not forged. There is nothing unusual about the design or the texture. In addition to the birth certificate, the August 13, 1961 Honolulu Advertiser also carries an announcement of Obama’s birth. The Honolulu Star-Bulletin also carries the same announcement. Both papers printed an identical list of birth announcements supplied to them by the Hawaii State Department of Health. Conspiracists have made much of the fact that the Territory of Hawaii gave a phony birth certificate in 1904 to Chinese republican leader Sun Yat Sen for diplomatic reasons. But the modern State of Hawaii has never supplied Certification of Live Birth indicating US birth for foreign-born children.

    End Quote.

    Andrew Walden is a conservative blogger who lives in Hawaii.

    Re: “I’ve never seen a candidate fight so hard to–keep hidden–something that ordinary American citizens are required to show all the time.”

    This is simply not true. There were no cases against Obama for the birth certificate. ALL the cases were to stop the election or to stop certification of the election. There is a case in Hawaii by Andy Martin for the Birth Certificate, but that is against the state of Hawaii and Obama’s lawyers are not playing any role in it.

  • Laura George

    A certificate of live birth is not sufficient evidence as people born outside of the United States can get COLB in Hawaii. There is evidence that Hawaii did not have ANY documentation on Obama before 2006. Why doesn’t he just show his real birth certificate like any other member of the military have to? This is a very dangerous situation for our military men and women.