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New Dollar Coin Hides “In God We Trust” And Will Feature Nixon And Others

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Remember the Eisenhower Dollar? Now that was a dollar’s dollar. It was twice as big as a quarter and felt heavier than it really was and when you had one in your pocket, you knew it was there. One of the reasons that later dollar-coin attempts failed was that their size shrank to smaller than a 50-cent piece. This caused the Susan B. Anthony coin to be nicknamed the “Carter Quarter” because so many people were spending them as 25-cent pieces by mistake.

Despite past failures, the U.S. Mint announced at a ceremony at The Smithsonian Institution on Monday that they would try again. They will begin circulating a new dollar coin on February 15, 2007. It will still be the same size as the 1979 Susan B. Anthony and the 2000-2002 Sacajawea. The coin will also be made of the same gold colored material as the Sacajawea with an additonal compound added to the metal to keep it from tarnishing as fast as its predecessor did.

The new dollars are set to feature the past Presidents of the United States in order from George Washington to Richard M. Nixon. Instead of a textured or ridged edge, the smooth rim will now hold such features as the mintmark, the date of striking, and the mottos “In God We Trust” and "E Pluribus Unum.” The design change is intended to allow space for larger portraits of the Presidents on the obverse side, and the Statue of Liberty on the reverse.

For the first time the coin will say “$1” instead of “One Dollar.”

The criteria for the presidents is that they must have been dead two years to be featured, so the current list will end at Richard M. Nixon. Grover Cleveland will actually be featured on two different coins because he held office in two non-consecutive terms.

The coins will be distributed every three months starting next year with Washington. Despite the fact that the mint has a three-and-a-half year stockpile of over $200 million worth of the Sacajawea coins, political pressure will force them to continue minting the Sacajawea coins at the same time.

The current distribution schedule is for each coin to be circulated for three months, and then the next will appear in sequence as follows:

2007

  • George Washington
  • John Adams
  • Thomas Jefferson
  • James Madison

2008

  • James Monroe
  • John Quincy Adams
  • Andrew Jackson
  • Martin Van Buren

2009

  • William Henry Harrison
  • John Tyler
  • James K. Polk
  • Zachary Taylor

2010

  • Millard Fillmore
  • Franklin Pierce
  • James Buchanon
  • Abraham Lincoln

2011

  • Andrew Johnson
  • Ulysses S. Grant
  • Rutherford B. Hayes
  • James A. Garfield

2012

  • Chester A. Arthur
  • Grover Cleveland
  • Benjamin Harrison
  • Grover Cleveland

2013

  • William McKinley
  • Theodore Roosevelt
  • William H. Taft
  • Woodrow Wilson

2014

  • Warren Harding
  • Calvin Coolidge
  • Herbert Hoover
  • Franklin D. Roosevelt

2015

  • Harry S. Truman
  • Dwight D. Eisenhower
  • John F. Kennedy
  • Lyndon B. Johnson

2016

  • Richard M. Nixon

The paper U.S. dollar bill has always been a problem for the mint. A coin is more durable and lasts longer, making it more cost effective. However since the demise of the Eisenhower Dollar coin, the public has mostly rejected all of its smaller replacements. It is speculated that replacing the dollar bill with a coin could save the U.S. $500 million annually in printing costs, not counting the periodic security redesigns. Canada and various European countries have successfully eliminated their basic currency paper notes, but resistance is strong against such a move by the United States. An additional factor in the opposition of a dollar coin replacing the paper bill is that a stack of $100 in “singles” is relatively light, compared to a pocket weighed down by the same amount of coins.


Some have speculated that the new coins were intentionally designed to go directly into collections, instead of everyday commerce, making the U.S. dollar more scarce and thus more valuable. Other studies have shown that the only way the American public would accept dollar coins is if the paper currency were completely taken out of circulation.

The timing would seem to indicate that the announcement was held up until after the November 2006 elections. The religious right wing of the Republican Party is sure to be outraged when they notice that “In God We Trust,” while still on the coin, is no longer featured prominently.

In a side announcement, there will also be a release of 24-karat $10 pieces featuring the First Ladies at the end of 2007, and also the penny will be redesigned four times in 2009 to honor Abraham Lincoln.

 

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About Jet Gardner

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  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    For those of you who don’t remember it, that Eisenhower is approximately actual size!

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    Who knows, the world may end before they get to Nixon.

  • Les Slater

    I haven’t seen a coin dollar in a while. Well maybe I have and just didn’t look carefully.

    I was in NYC a couple of weeks ago and had to stuff $9.00 worth of quarters into parking meter. Just about depleted my car’s supply. The meter did accept $1 coins and some sort of issued card.

    My guess is that coin readers are more robust than bill readers.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Handyguy, I’m still shaking my head, Richard Nixon on a U.S. Coin. I thought hell’d freeze over first.

  • Les Slater

    P.S. I’m glad the trusting in God has been relegated to the fringe where it belongs.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Pathetic, Jet. Not the article, but the news. The inability of the government to eliminate the dollar bill is symptomatic of a government run by retards.

    A realistic way of doing this would be to design $1, $2 and $5 coins, like they have in Jamaica, and eliminate the aces and the fives from the currency over time as they get used up. And do you guys really need a one cent coin?

    At this point, Israel uses a ten shekel coin that is worth roughly $2.20 or #2.30 depending on the exchange rate. For bills, we have twenties, fifties, hundreds and two hundred shekel notes. It all looks like play money though…

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Less if you’d seen the Sacajawea, trust me, you’d remember it. It was gold colored and probably tarnished and had an indian girl on it.

    Can you imagine the fits that the republicans who were trying to get Reagan on the dime are having. He’ll have been beaten onto a coin by Nixon!!!

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Les, AMEN brother, most people don’t realize that In God We Trust was something that was tacked on to our money only recently in 1959 by religious zealots and wasn’t always there.

    I still maintain that it doesn’t belong there. I’m hoping that they reduce it to microtype on a border somewhere on the paper money too.

    …but of course that’s only my opinion!

    Jet

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Thanks Ruvy, Canada has switched to 1-2 dollar coins too. I’m just waiting for the reaction to the $10 first lady coins!

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Come to think of it (Laugh laugh laugh) Nancy Reagan will actually beat Ronnie onto a coin!!!!!

  • Michael

    I plan on buying the proof sets when they come out.

    As for this being timed to come out until after the elections, I hope the writer is joking.

    The legislative bill implementing the new $1 coins was sponsored by a Republican, passed by a Republican House & Senate and signed by a Republican president. The bill, which passed well over a year ago, said the coins would begin being minted in 2007. And, yes, the bill (which I have read) said “In God We Trust” would be included on the side of the coin.

    The “announcement” was made more than a year ago.

  • http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c109:4:./temp/~c1093HO3Rx:e4472: Michael

    In case anyone wants to read it, here is a link to the copy of the bill passed by Congress more than a year ago.

    It says, in part, “The inscription of the year of minting or issuance of the coin and the inscriptions `E Pluribus Unum’ and `In God We Trust’ shall be edge-incused into the coin.”

  • Michael

    Sorry, I failed to inclue the link. Here it is:

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Be that as it may Michael, the coin wasn’t announced to the general public until day before yesterday and except for a few coin collectors no one knew about it.

    Even CNN only reported it only yesterday and the major news networks haven’t even reported it yet.

    What does that tell you that the Republicans can’t even pass a coin bill unless it’s in secret?

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    If you re-read the article Michael, you’ll see I said the announcement was timed till after the election. If the bill was passed so long ago, why wait a year to announce it until after the elections?

    A. they don’t want to piss off Reagan democrats who were looking forward to their hero on the dime before the election

    b. they don’t want to piss off Reagan democrats who would discover that their republican heroes had passed a bill that wouldn’t even schedule Reagan on a coin at all (as you can see by the roll out schedule)

    c. they don’t want to piss off right wingers with an announcement that “In God We Trust” is now in fine print and on the EDGE of the coin instead of the face.

  • Baronius

    Jet, I think you’re seeing political motives where there aren’t any. Still, this is ridiculous. Government’s job is to serve us, and the US has made it clear that we don’t want dollar coins.

    I’m sick of currency changes. I understand the security concerns, but for me at least, the opposite is happening. You could hand me a trout with “$10″ in the corner, and I’d fold it up and put it in my wallet. (True story.) I don’t even notice what this week’s bill or coin looks like. As always, the government sets out to accomplish something, and the opposite happens instead.

  • Michael

    My point is that ALL OF THIS was known more than a year ago — the news about God We Trust, etc. So, it was announced BEFORE the election — more than a yearso, in fact. This news about In God We Trust isn’t new news. I read about it in a coin collecting magazine and on CNN.com a year ago.

    The Mint simply was showing what the new coins would look like. That wasn’t known until its press conference Monday.

    And Reagan WILL be on a coin. According to the bill, to be included on a coin, a president must have been dead for at least two years. By Reagan’s time, he will have been dead more than a decade.

    The bill says, “No coin issued under this subsection may bear the image of a living former or current President, or of any deceased former President during the 2-year period following the date of the death of that President.”

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Baronius, it works to the advantage of counterfeiters to because the public is so unfamiliar with paper currency, it’s easy to get fooled.

    As for politics, I’m sort of putting it out for the sake of arguement because Michael keep insisting everyone knew about this a year ago when they didn’t, and that the official announcement was made only yesterday.

    If you were a serious coin dealer yeah, but not the general public.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Michael, you read it in a coin collecting magazine. Why would CNN rebroadcast a news story that they did a year ago. If this was well publicized, which it wasn’t the headlines would’ve been filled with Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson having fits over “In God We Trust” being religated to the sidelines a long time ago and you know it.

    As for Reagan, you obviously didn’t read the article, or you’d see that that was already mentioned along with the two-year rule right there in front of your face.

    The comment was that Nancy would beat him to getting his face on a coin, irking those who have tried to get Ronnie on the Dime and on the ten dollar bill.

    I said Reagan wasn’t on the OFFICIAL rollout schedule as quoted in the article, which he isn’t. He’ll be tacked on later, but he’s not eligible yet.

  • Michael

    Below are two stories about the presidential coins on CNN.com from 2005. I fail to see how only coin collectors would have known about this.

    I fully agree that the average conservative would not have known about this. But these conservative groups (Focus on the Family, etc.) scour the Internet daily looking for this kind of stuff. Of course they knew about it.

    I also don’t understand what the motive supposedly is. If the GOP is in cahoots with Christians (which I’m assuming everyone on this board believes they are), then why would Republicans pass and sign a bill that doesn’t include Reagan (which we already have shown that it does)?

    Every conspiracy theory on this board about these coins is factually wrong, and it took me 5 seconds doing a Google search to find the links I’ve included.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    This is useless. Unless you are a coin collector, or some U.S. Mint junkie the GENERAL PUBLIC didn’t know about it until last Monday.

    We can go round and round in circles till doomsday and it’s not going to change that fact.

    get over it

  • Michael

    To believe Jet’s conspiracy theory, we must believe that Rick Santorum, Tom DeLay and George W. Bush — all Christian conservatives — supported this bill but didn’t want any of the “regular” Christian conservatives to know about the In God We Trust portion of it.

    Santorum & DeLay voted for the bill, and Bush signed it.

    On this one, I’ll side with reason and common sense.

  • Lisa

    I just arrived here on the board and began reading all the posts. On this one, I’ve got to side with Michael. I’m not crazy about the coins, but there’s nothing political about them.

  • Baronius

    Jet’s right. Unless you’re a coin collector, or one of the few people who has access to the internet…

  • Michael

    I’ve got to log off here soon, but I want to make one more point.

    The announcement was yesterday. Have any of the major groups — Focus on the Family, American Family Association, etc. — made a big stink yet?

    The answer, from what I can tell, is no.

    I’m still waiting for this conspiracy to unfold …

  • http://culturesalad.blogspot.com Ray Ellis

    The truth of the matter is that it just isn’t that newsworthy. Except collectors, we Americans just don’t like coins. They don’t fit into our lifestyle–hell, we even pay to turn them into paper money. To think it’s a conspiracy is absolutely ludicrous.

  • http://www.futonreport.net/ Matthew T. Sussman

    MINTED COINS IS TEH GOV3RNM3NT CONSPEERACY TO READ MY TH0UGHTZ!!!1!1!1!oneoneone

  • Lumpy

    I always liked the sacajewaya. I thought the tarnishing was so appropriate for a coin showing a woman who had an affair with a man whi then killed her husband. I think the little papoose on the coin was a bastard too.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    All I said was that the timing was suspect for something that was settled last year. sheesh and I didn’t imply some vast conspiracy. Jeez

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Matthew, time to get your foil helmet refitted

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I liked it too Lumpy, I rant into the same problem I mentioned in the article though. ten of those things in your pocket can be bothersome and after a while you’d sound like Rudolf the red-nosed reindeer walking around.

    Jingle Jingle.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I still say “In God We Trust” has no business on our money.

  • Aaron

    As a practicing catholic (and a moderate democrat) I fail to see the relevance of having “In God We Trust” printed on the side of a coin as opposed to the face. I’m glad for our sake we remembered to include Him, but I really don’t think God cares either way. After all, “render to Caeser what is Caeser’s and to God what is God’s”.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    For all intents and purposes it might as well read “In Christ We trust” because we all know that even if Jews believe in our god, they’re not really included in that motto, nor were they intended to be by the zealous Southern Baptists that put it there in 1959. Up until that time, “God” was not mentioned in our money, nor was Christianity a state-sanctioned religion.

    Just as Christ did not advocate putting a religious motto on Caeser’s money, we shouldn’t either Aaron.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    So… no one has a problem with Richard Watergate Nixon on a U.S. Coin…….interesting

  • STM

    We phased out the dollar note years ago in Oz … and how I miss them. The dollar coins are actually bigger than the $2 coins (we phased out the two-buck note as well, the lowest note denomination now being the fiver and all notes are now of different colours and sizes for easy identification and made of a plastic material that is hard to destroy and can’t be counterfeited – but they tend to spring out of your pocket).

    Both coins are now heavily represented in beer change and serve mainly as fodder for parking meters (very bloody expensive in Sydney during daylight hours) or public-transport ticket machines.

    The good thing is that both are gold, and can’t therefore be mistaken for 5c or 10c coins. I stick all mine in a small bowl at home with the rest of my change and my $5 notes, which my family raids at regular intervals so. Since they tend only to pick out the notes and the gold coins, it’s a lose-lose situation for me.

    This is your future, America …. get used to it

  • Brian

    What amazes me is those on the left getting worked up about Nixon being on a coin. Personally, I’m disgusted at the thought that Bill & Hillary Clinton will be featured at some point.

  • Baronius

    Whoa, Jet. I think it’s terrible. A good third of that list doesn’t belong on our currency. Adams, Grant, either Johnson, Arthur… I mean, I like Chester Arthur, but come on.

    But Nixon is uniquely unqualified. There are no illusions about what kind of a leader he was, and there’s no fading of memory that would excuse his inclusion. If someone doesn’t get upset about the Alien and Sedition Acts, fine. But Nixon’s disgrace was during our lifetimes.

    I posted earlier to a) complain about currency changes in general, and b) pick on you. I’m proud of both. Just so we’re clear, Nixon doesn’t belong in any place of national honor. Nixon doesn’t (dramatic pause) belong (dramatic pause) in any place of national honor.

  • STM

    What about Andrew Jackson, the first president to launch an exapnsionist war of aggression??

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    What war would that be, STM? Jackson didn’t actually preside over any wars.

    You’re thinking of Jefferson’s war with Tripoli – our first foreign war and our first war against terrorists and our first war against moslems. How interesting that our first war as a nation should be against hostage-taking moslem terrorists and here we are over 200 years later still fighting them.

    The Tripolitan war didn’t really involve seizing territory – of course neither does the Iraq war. For our first war with that objective you’d need to move ahead a few years to Madison’s invasion of Canada in the War of 1812. Jackson did have a role in that war as a general, and he was instrumental in the annexation of Florida, so maybe that’s what you were thinking about.

    Dave

  • http://w6daily.winn.com/ Phillip Winn

    Jet, I’ve never collected coins in my life, but I knew about this a year ago. I saw it on CNN. Sorry, buddy, but you’re flat wrong on this one! You may not have known about it, but I just asked around, and my wife knew about it in vague terms, as did one of the two other people I asked.

    By the way, if Ford and Carter die in the next seven years, there’s plenty of opportunity for Congress to pass another bill extending the series through Reagan, but as I recall the articles talking about this a year ago, it will require another bill.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Both England and the EU dealt with the coin size problem by making the diameter smaller – about the size of the nickel and making the coin thicker so it feels distinctly different. The EU also makes their coins out of two different metals, one in a ring around the other. It’s rather cool. No mistaking them for anything else.

    Dave

  • STM

    Sorry Dave, you are right … sigh … always get that one mixed up off the top of my head because of Jackson’s involvement as a general and his later presidency … I meant James Madison, who was too weak to stand up to the War Hawks.

  • STM

    And Phillip, this isn’t about minting coins for collectors. It’s a precursor to phasing out the paper note, in line with most other countries. It is costing the a fortune at the moment to keep the $1 note in circulation.

    You get used to it … trust me. It’s not really that big a deal, and means you have plenty of convenient coin for parking meters and vending machines.

    Despite all the hoo-ha here over the $1 and $2 notes being taken out of circulation, hardly anyone really noticed.

    As long as they are very different-looking (gold colour is the key) and distinctive, it’s not a drama.

  • George B King III

    Looks like Chuck E. Cheese money to me.

  • RedTard

    Will this take some of the fun out of tipping girls at the stipclub? Will I be forced to upgrade to using 5’s? That’ll eat a chunk out of my budget.

    Just say no to dollar coins!

  • STM

    Just wait till you’ve seen five dances and cover them all in one go. Stay at the back of the room too, pretending not to notice, until it’s time to pay up.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    STM 36, one of the many arguments for the coin was for vending machines and parking meters.

    Actually I think it’s an excuse to charge a full dollar for things they used to charge .75 or .80 for.

    Until they change the size of the coins, I don’t see it happening.

    For one thing businesses don’t want to revamp vending machines to take the dollar coin, I know of very few around here that took any of their predecessors. In fact I see more machines taking paper money now instead.

    The U.S. could save half a billion a year if they could change over though.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Brian, by the same token (forgive the pun) I don’t think Reagan deserves to have his name on Washington National Airport either.

    It’s a matter of political ideologies.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Baronius, when I know that you’re goodnaturedly “picking on me” I know to take it easy and there’s no mallace involved.

    Back atcha.

    The point is it’s supposed to be an act of honoring someone to be on a coin of the rhelm. I mean we’ve had preidents that didn’t even survive their innaugural addresses and others that led the country into disaster.

    It’s supposed to be an honor, but they’ve somehow cheapened it.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Okay now it’s my policy to validate and welcome everyone’s opinion, I’m probably getting up to my 70% mark Suss… sorry

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    STM #39: and what a proud tradition he started didn’t he?

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Dave, ahhh yes, the war of 1812, the war we don’t talk about, they burned down the White House and sacked Washington in that one.

    …and what a proud tradition.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Phillip, I just wrote a nice little article about them announcing some new coins last monday, and it’s turned into a pissing contest over who can say the loudest that it’s old news and that I’m a fool for writing about it.

    I just thought people would be interested to know what they looked like and generate a little traffic for this magazine.

    I wonder why no one wrote about it last year?

    I’ve been told on the writers page a few weeks back that I never write about anything of interest… I guess they’re right.

    sigh

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Dave #42… alas if it makes sense it’s against U.S. policy. well maybe for a few years anyway.

    If you think about it, if we got rid of the single how many presidential cronies wouldn’t get to have their signitures on all of those paper one dollar bills for all history as secretry of the treasury?

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    #45 If anyone would know about Chuckie Cheese money it’d be you; right George?

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    RedTard, the solution to your problem is simple, tear a $5 in half and tell her what she has to do to get the other half after four more dances.

    Strippers with change pockets in g-strings, now there’s a thought, and I’m glad you were there to think it up Red.

    lol

  • S.T.M

    Jet wrote: “The point is it’s supposed to be an act of honoring someone to be on a coin of the realm.”

    Jet … I have the perfect solution old boy. Come back to the fold, get George to give Liz a call at Buck House and ask if the 200 years of differences can be put behind us, and voila … problem solved.

    You can then do what we do, and have The Queen on every coin and a picture of a native animal or plant on the reverse side.

    Works a treat mate.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Forgive my suspicious nature, but when did you start putting periods between your inintials STM?

  • S.T.M

    When I’m on my computer at home Jet … it won’t let me use STM. And on my recent surf trip up the coast, I had to use my proper name. Bugger. Someone else seems to have used it since, as well, as the computer there remains logged on for the use of guests.

    But it is me old boy … we once had a chat about Ian Roberts, remember?

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    “get George to give Liz a call at Buck House and…”

    I thought old Tin lizzy lived at Quid House and Bush lived at Buck House.

    Just shows you haow living in a dangerous county country like this one can really turn you head around…

  • STM

    Ruvy wrote: “I thought old Tin lizzy lived at Quid House and Bush lived at Buck House.”

    Tee-hee … G’day, Ruvy … how are you old mate?

    Do you still celebrate Thanksgiving, being American born?

    I don’t know much about it, but we always try to make our American friends feel at home here by throwing a thanksgiving dinner when needed.

    When we do, I must say it’s nice to have turkey just before Christmas, as it’s usually too hot here to really enjoy it on Christmas day (unless it’s cold). I usually spend the day up to my neck in the pool trying not to be roasted alive.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Stan,

    Thankgiving dinners cost money, something we are not too heavy on at the moment. Besides, we have to pony up money for drinks at a pre-Hanukkah bash this Sabbath. Something we were “invited” to do by the powers that be at the village…

    Fortunately, this does not appear to include alcoholic beverages.

    We will just say thanks without flippin the bird into the oven this year.

    I have the feeling that this pre-Hanukkah bash may be important to enjoy. We may have a case of real live Maccabbees fighting this year…the candles may not be just little lights for driving away the darkness – they may be memorial candles…

    Why I am on this thing at 04:20 is something beyond me. I must be nuts…

  • http://bob.pence.com Bob Pence

    “The paper U.S. dollar bill has always been a problem for the mint.”

    Perhaps in part because it falls under the purview of the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, a different agency within the Treasury Department.

  • STM

    “Why I am on this thing at 04:20 is something beyond me. I must be nuts…”

    You and me both, Pilgrim. Take care and enjoy the party on the weekend.

  • Mark

    Just a quick comment about “In God We Trust”. I hope I don’t open a can of worms, so I’ll make my best effort to scribe unbiased. I’m a little torn on this, and can see it both ways. If we were to go back to the origination of this country, the founders came to this land to escape the suppression of the freedom of religion. Much of the talk about “separation of church and state” is a little backwards. The separation was to keep the state from controlling religion, not the other way around. As some will dispute, I do feel that a good number of the founding fathers truly believed in God, evidence being the reference to “God”, “Creator”, etc in many of the founding documents. The documents were peppered with their belief in God. And at the time of the creation of national money (this I haven’t really researched), but it appears that this phrase “In God We Trust” wasn’t on the notes/coins and was added later. When added, did the church go too far? Well that will always be debated, however it seemed appropriate at the time by the leaders of our nation. Do we hide/remove it now? Well most feel it doesn’t belong on money or anywhere else (along with other “religious items” such as the 10 Commandments, etc) because it “may offend someone”. At the rate we are going, we’ll have all references to God out of all things related to Government. Through all this debate, we’re pushing out the foundation of what this country believes (or at least believed) in. Now we are literally fostering other religions that STRONGLY go against (without dispute) our core laws. And we used to be a country that spoke English, and if you didn’t it was embarrassing. Now it’s the other way around. Ok, sorry for the rant, I really had to get that out.

  • Geoff Taylor

    The founders of our nation would be sickened by those who are ABUSING the so-called “separation of church and state”, which by the way is not a phrase used anywhere in the constitution or bill of rights.

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

    See that? Get over yourselves atheists. This country should respect your beliefs but it was not built on your beliefs. Our founders were God fearing men that didn’t want the government telling them what to believe or not believe– including you folks that demand God not be mentioned anywhere.

    As for hiding “In God We Trust”.. come on, it’s right there on the coins. I don’t consider it to be hidden whatsoever. The new coin designs look great.

  • http://www,tollfreenumber.org l

    I love dollar coins they are a great convience. I just grab about 5 every day and use them to tip people throughout the day… coffee, newspaper, valet.

    From my observations, people enjoy getting tipped a coin dolloar more than two dollar bills.

  • Geoff Taylor

    Oh and.. God is in our money in more ways than words. There is a bunch of symbolism all over our bills and has always been.. well before 1959.

  • STM

    They didn’t really go to America to escape oppression, Mark. At least not in the snse we understand that today. They were protestants and as such, were not really oppressed in the true sense of the word. However, they WERE pestered as they had separated from the official Church of England (now the Episcopal Church in the US) simply because they believed it was impure.

    It is true they wanted to be left alone, but paradoxically, in terms of how we view Christians today, they were basically a bunch of God-bothering fundamentalist wowsers who thought everyone else was wrong and that the only way anyone could be saved was to become a puritan (sound familiar?). They weren’t being locked up for their beliefs, and many of those who travelled to the new world both before and after this group were not puritans. The place they went to, also, was under the rule of the Crown.

    And although not true in the strict sense, in that the Church of England was the official church, there was already a separation of church and state in England at the time – at least in terms of how the government functioned.

    One thing I am glad about is that the people who settled my country were convicts, not puritans. Which is probably why no-one bats an eyelid at full-frontal nudity on TV, or the penchant for fruity public swearing. And thank the Lord for that!

    The only problem is, while I’ve been able to drink more beer than should be humanly possible, I only get to eat turkey at Christmas.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Well, according to Phillip this article is hitting websites all over the place and generating a lot of visits to this one.

    I’m glad I finally did one right.

    Old news?

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    You know STM, I used to wonder what it’d be like to spend Christmas in what amounted to summer, and now I’m wondering how you do it?

    Do the still picture Santa covered in snow and from the North Pole or the south pole?

    Jet

    ps say Hi to Ian for me.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Oh… well if you’re going to nit-pick Bob Pence, you’re right, but I think you can assume everyone knew what I was talking about.

    The new bills seem to have a tendency to have the ink wear off at the crease. I used to think they were counterfeit just from that, but the bank takes ‘em.

    I stand corrected.
    Jet

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Mark 66: I have no problem with religion being included in government, but there are some that want it to be a state-ordained religion. We’re not talking Presbyterian, or Jewish, or Lutheran or Catholic (witness the uproar over Kennedy being elected) we’re talking fundamentalist Southern Baptist here, where if you’re not born again with the 10 commandments tattooed on your ass, you’re going to hell.

    I don’t mind mention of God, Mark, but it must be an all inclusive God, not one who only accepts the “chosen few”. Islam also worships the same God we do and even considers Christ a prophet, but do you think that “in god we trust” includes them too?

    I doubt it

    I see “In God We Trust” on our money as a right-wing grab for power. I see it as a statement that only “our” God blesses only “our” CHRISTIAN nation.

    It’s like “Under God” was not part of the original pledge of allegence to the flag. It was included later as if to say, you must now pledge to both the country and the Christian God or you’re a traitor

    sorry that’s not right.

    Jet

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Geoff Taylor 67: I wonder if you’d feel that way if the official state-sanctioned religion was Judism, or that it was changed every election to whatever the president was at the time, say if a Jew were elected president? The pilgrims fled England because though England was Christian, it wasn’t their “brand” of christian.

    I was punnished in 2nd grade once, back when we had school prayer, because when the lord’s prayer was recited before lunch I said the Presbyterian “Forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors” instead of “forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those that trespass against us.” Suppose the government reinstituted school prayer, but specified which one was permitted to be recited.

    What if the Pledge of Allegiance was ammended to “One nation under Jehovah” or “One nation under Jesus Christ”

    I have no problem with religion, I have a problem with a particular religion being required, which is why they fled to the new world in the first place.

    As for the motto being hidden, it’s in fine print on the edge of a coin now… duh

    Right?

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I #68: Good point

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Geoff 69-People see imaginary symbolism everywhere, there was a pyramid on the money long before 1959, did that make us Egyptian?

  • http://monoglot.com/ monoglot

    Will these be the first U.S. coins to not feature the word “Liberty”?

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    STM 70-I’ve GOT to see Australia! You know our country used to be the most open of any in the world and lately other countries are putting us to shame.

    Mexico City, Great Britain, Canada even South Africa have gay marriage. Other countries have full nudity on TV and no one gasps as you pointed out STM. Now a lot of nay-sayers yell that a lot of countries don’t have those laws, Well that’s because it’s not an issue and there’s no NEED for a law.

    It seems like year after year we’re getting mentally tight-assed more and more. Religion has invaded our public schools with “intelligent Design” so much that we’re falling way behind the rest of the world in Science and especially medicine, because the born-agains have insisted that it be taught that most science is only theory instead of fact.

    I think we’re only now seeing a final backlash against that trend now. the voters turned down a law in South Dakota making abortion illegal, and they turned down an anti gay measure in Arizona.

    The truth is, most Americans don’t want to admit that religion isn’t all that important in their lives Oh it’s good for taking the kids to sunday school to make sure they get a good right vs wrong orientation, and it serves to bring communities together, but most people don’t have their heads in the clouds, more concerned with how they’ll get to heaven instead of what they’ll do on earth.

    It’s all a power grab by huge corporate “churches” trying to grab as much tax-free cash as they can, and hoping the congregation doens’t figure out that the “man behind the curtain” isn’t really a wizard, nor is he speaking for God (hence Ted haggard) and others.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    monoglot #78 Uh… the whole back of the coin is taken up with the statue, and for my money that’s good enough for me (forgive the pun)

    Besides what with the Bush Administration taking nore and more of our liberties; what with religious-right legislation of morality, warrantless wiretaps and searches, suspending suspect’s right to legal representation, rewriting the Geneva Conventions and Bush being able to legally define what a “terrorist” is, it’d seem kind of hypocritical to put the word on our coinage so to speak… don’t you think?

    …but of course that’s only my opinion!

    Jet

  • STM

    Jet: Yes, the whole thing’s bizarre. All our Christmas decorations still have Santa and snow, and the whole bizzo. My wife is from Queensland, the sunshine state (up north, as everything’s the exact opposite of course of the northern hemisphere), where it gets really, really hot over summer. It’s hot here, but up there it’s brain-frying hot (which explains a lot about Queenslanders). The hotter it starts to get in the lead-up to Christmas, the more excited she gets as it reminds her of her childhood Christmases.

    I just get more miserable, because although I am an Aussie, I lived overseas as a kid (mostly in England) and snow and cold weather is what remind me of childhood Christmases. Most Christmases and new years, I just spend the whole time in our pool up to my neck to escape the heat. We usually open our presents and go for a swim! Sometimes we have a picnic at the beach, with cold turkey and seafood and what have you, but usually it’s a hot Christmas lunch, although airconditioning helps a bit.

    New Year’s eve is fun though, as it’s hot outside so everyuone is out on the streets partying all bloody night.

    And as for the gay marriage laws, in Australia a common-law same sex de facto marriage is recognised under common law just like any other – gay, straight or sideways.

    A partner has full claim under the law to all the benefits, including claims on estate and property. I guess because of that, the fact it’s not called marriage by a legal definition has not been much of an issue.

    I think generally, gay people don’t suffer discrimination in Australia on the level that they might elsewhere. There are very strong anti-vilification laws (for sexual preference, race, colour, background, religious belief, etc) in existence that are very heavily policed.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Sounds like paradise STM… but then again the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence I guess.

    Thanks for taking the time to contribute your opinions mate.

    Jet

  • STM

    Yes, it is a great place. But I do love going to America as well. They are not that different, and America brings other stuff to the table.

    If I had to live anywhere else in the world (apart from a tropical island), it would be America or Britain, or possibly New Zealand or Canada (except it gets too cold).

    That says everything, really.

  • http://jasonrelliott.blogspot.com novabeatnik

    In God we trust should have never been on our currency. Nor should anything connected to any religion be a part of any government work.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    You’re absofuckinlootly right there novabeatnik, Happy Thanksgiving.

    Jet

  • Freakkilroy

    STM #8
    “In God We Trust” was first placed on coins by the U.S. Treasury in 1864, during the Civil War. In 1955, Congress passed a bill to have the motto placed on paper currency, and it first appeared on bills two years later.

    In 1956, Congress passed a resolution declaring “In God We Trust” the national motto.

    So Much for your “religious zealots”

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Id say that pretty much proves the point Freakkilroy, the motto was never on our currency to begin with until a few “religious zealots” put it there.

    the Motto is not in the constitution, nor the declaration of independence.

  • http://w6daily.winn.com/ Phillip Winn

    Sorry for the confusion earlier, Jet. I didn’t mean to say that the *article* was old news, just that I knew about a series of Presidential dollars some time ago. The details are all new to me and everyone else, and the article is a great one.

    To whomever earlier misunderstood my comment, I’m well aware of the nature of these coins, and am heartily in favor of getting rid of dollar bills. My wife was Canadian (now a U.S. citizen), and I’m familiar with the “Loonies” and “Toonies” used there.

    I don’t agree with phasing out the penny, though. Might as well go metric if we’re going to decide we don’t actually care abut precision. ;-)

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    No problem Phillip, I’m still lookig for that gold star for my monitor though…

    As for the penny, we might as well call it the “tax coin” although retailers are fond of pricing things as ?.99….

    (inside joke)
    Jet

  • sr

    Jet, you speak Numismatic. What talent U IS. Have a great THANKSGIVING. sr

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Thanks SR. Who would’ve thought… so far just today I’ve cleared out 4 bloggers who’ve either ripped off part or all of this article-including the graphics and links!

    Happy Thanksgiving back atcha
    Jet

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I’ve had several people comment here and other places about…

    The paper U.S. dollar bill has always been a problem for the mint. A coin is more durable and lasts longer, making it more cost effective.

    because they think I was trying to say that paper money is produced at the mint. I wasn’t…. uh this an article about a series of coins to replace the paper dollar… that makes it a mint problem.

    Jet

  • Brent

    I was at dinner the other night and in our change was a 1946 nickel. Enjoying the brief history lesson, we all took a look and lo and behold, there it was: “In God We Trust”.

    So what’s all this circumstantial talk about 1959?

    PS – Personally, I don’t care whether it’s there or not. It’s just money.

  • STM

    Jet said: “You know our country used to be the most open of any in the world and lately other countries are putting us to shame.”

    Jet -I think Australia’s always been a pretty open place … at least since the mid-19th century.

    Think about it: our first settlers were naughty convicts, irish rebels and women of ill-repute, yours were puritans.

    Not hard to work out where all the fun’s gonna be … the idiot Brits sent all the party people to the best place, while they stayed in England – cold, wet and miserable.

  • STM

    STM #8
    Freakkilroy: wrote: ” “In God We Trust” was first placed on coins by the U.S. Treasury in 1864, during the Civil War. In 1955, Congress passed a bill to have the motto placed on paper currency, and it first appeared on bills two years later.

    In 1956, Congress passed a resolution declaring “In God We Trust” the national motto.

    So Much for your “religious zealots”.”

    Freakilroy, you are a dribbler. That wasn’t even my post. I couldn’t give a rat’s arse about what you’ve got on your coins. You could have in Cod We Trust and a picture of a dirty great fish for all I care.

    I’m not even American. I already have $1 and $2 coins in my country and it’s not an issue since the $1 and $2 notes were phased out. That is why I am commenting on Jet’s piece.

    BTW jet … we phased out 1c and 2c coins too, so the lowest coin is a 5c. Retailers just round out to the nearest 5c – up or down.

    Our 1c coins used to be perfect for taking to America as they were the same size as a dime and could be used in American vending machines …. Years ago, that worked fine. You’d have to have an awful lot of them now (I still have a huge bag of copper as it didn’t seem worth the bother of cashing them in), but I suspect they worked out the rort ages back.

    Of course, not that I’d engage in such criminal behaviour, nor condone it, especially as a former smoker who believed in paying maximum price for a packet of smokes.

    Great for cheap sodas too!

  • Clavos

    Think about it: our first settlers were naughty convicts, irish rebels and women of ill-repute, yours were puritans.

    Really, only the Mayflower people and a few after them were Puritans; most of the rest of the colonists were a mixed bag of malcontents, debtors, and convicts.

    Oglethorpe’s entire party of colonists in Georgia, for example, were all taken from HM prisons.

  • STM

    STM’s handy travel hints for America #372:

    Oh, and did I forget to mention also that our 10c coin used to work in vending machines across the United States instead of a US quarter.

    Not that I’d know for sure, of course, never having tried such a reprehensible thing.

    BTW, Does anyone know anything about the statute of limitations for federal vending machine offences??

  • Clavos

    STM,

    BTW, Does anyone know anything about the statute of limitations for federal vending machine offences??

    The FBI has been asking about your IP address…

  • STM

    “The FBI has been asking about your IP address…”

    Great, they get a free holiday in Sydney and I get one in Atwater. Sounds like a REALLY fair deal for putting 1c coins into a vending machine instead of dimes.

    It wasn’t me guys, I only watched while the rest of those criminally minded Australians did it. Honest. I didn’t even get my discount Cherry Coke. And I tried to stop them, even when they begged me for more coin.

    I can name them all too: Johnno, Mick, Stevo, Wrightie, Lambo, Macca, Coombsie and Rollsy.

    Good luck trying to find the bastards. Their wives can’t.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Brent, that was when it was put on our paper money

  • STM

    “Oglethorpe’s entire party of colonists in Georgia, for example, were all taken from HM prisons.”

    That Oglethorpe sounds like a smart bloke :)

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Anyone who’d put “In God We Trust” on our money or as our motto is not a religious Zealott????

    Okay, now think about this… Why was it necessary in the first place. Were we such heathens that they felt we needed to be constantly reminded?

    It would’ve been taken as a given wouln’t it have?

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    from the US treasury

    …The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War. Secretary of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase received many appeals from devout persons throughout the country, urging that the United States recognize the Deity on United States coins. From Treasury Department records, it appears that the first such appeal came in a letter dated November 13, 1861. It was written to Secretary Chase by Rev. M. R. Watkinson, Minister of the Gospel from Ridleyville, Pennsylvania…

    …It was found that the Act of Congress dated January 18, 1837, prescribed the mottoes and devices that should be placed upon the coins of the United States. This meant that the mint could make no changes without the enactment of additional legislation by the Congress. In December 1863, the Director of the Mint submitted designs for new one-cent coin, two-cent coin, and three-cent coin to Secretary Chase for approval. He proposed that upon the designs either OUR COUNTRY; OUR GOD or GOD, OUR TRUST should appear as a motto on the coins…

    …The Congress passed the Act of April 22, 1864. This legislation changed the composition of the one-cent coin and authorized the minting of the two-cent coin. The Mint Director was directed to develop the designs for these coins for final approval of the Secretary. IN GOD WE TRUST first appeared on the 1864 two-cent coin….

    …The use of IN GOD WE TRUST has not been uninterrupted. The motto disappeared from the five-cent coin in 1883, and did not reappear until production of the Jefferson nickel began in 1938. Since 1938, all United States coins bear the inscription. Later, the motto was found missing from the new design of the double-eagle gold coin and the eagle gold coin shortly after they appeared in 1907. In response to a general demand, Congress ordered it restored, and the Act of May 18, 1908, made it mandatory on all coins upon which it had previously appeared. IN GOD WE TRUST was not mandatory on the one-cent coin and five-cent coin. It could be placed on them by the Secretary or the Mint Director with the Secretary’s approval.

    The motto has been in continuous use on the one-cent coin since 1909, and on the ten-cent coin since 1916. It also has appeared on all gold coins and silver dollar coins, half-dollar coins, and quarter-dollar coins struck since July 1, 1908.

    A law passed by the 84th Congress (P.L. 84-140) and approved by the President on July 30, 1956, the President approved a Joint Resolution of the 84th Congress, declaring IN GOD WE TRUST the national motto of the United States. IN GOD WE TRUST was first used on paper money in 1957, when it appeared on the one-dollar silver certificate. The first paper currency bearing the motto entered circulation on October 1, 1957. The Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) was converting to the dry intaglio printing process. During this conversion, it gradually included IN GOD WE TRUST in the back design of all classes and denominations of currency.

    As a part of a comprehensive modernization program the BEP successfully developed and installed new high-speed rotary intaglio printing presses in 1957. These allowed BEP to print currency by the dry intaglio process, 32 notes to the sheet. One-dollar silver certificates were the first denomination printed on the new high-speed presses. They included IN GOD WE TRUST as part of the reverse design as BEP adopted new dies according to the law. The motto also appeared on one-dollar silver certificates of the 1957-A and 1957-B series.

    BEP prints United States paper currency by an intaglio process from engraved plates. It was necessary, therefore, to engrave the motto into the printing plates as a part of the basic engraved design to give it the prominence it deserved.

    One-dollar silver certificates series 1935, 1935-A, 1935-B, 1935-C, 1935-D, 1935-E, 1935-F, 1935-G, and 1935-H were all printed on the older flat-bed presses by the wet intaglio process. P.L. 84-140 recognized that an enormous expense would be associated with immediately replacing the costly printing plates. The law allowed BEP to gradually convert to the inclusion of IN GOD WE TRUST on the currency. Accordingly, the motto is not found on series 1935-E and 1935-F one-dollar notes. By September 1961, IN GOD WE TRUST had been added to the back design of the Series 1935-G notes. Some early printings of this series do not bear the motto. IN GOD WE TRUST appears on all series 1935-H one-dollar silver certificates.

    Below is a listing by denomination of the first production and delivery dates for currency bearing IN GOD WE TRUST:

    DENOMINATION PRODUCTION DELIVERY
    $1 Federal Reserve Note February 12, 1964 March 11, 1964
    $5 United States Note January 23, 1964 March 2, 1964
    $5 Federal Reserve Note July 31, 1964 September 16, 1964
    $10 Federal Reserve Note February 24, 1964 April 24, 1964
    $20 Federal Reserve Note October 7, 1964 October 7, 1964
    $50 Federal Reserve Note August 24, 1966 September 28, 1966
    $100 Federal Reserve Note August 18, 1966 September 27, 1966

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Clavos your comment 96 would seem to indicate the dangers of a MONORITY infecting the majority with their selfrighteous self-serving agenda.

    No wonder Pat Robertson still teaches that God rose up George Washington and sent him like a Moses to found a theocracy in this country.

    Which of course isn’t true, but if you teach kids that, they’ll believe it, like they now believe that science is only a theory and that Intelligent design is fact.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Clavos vending machine crimes would fall under the heading of petty crime, if anything there’d be a 7 year SOL, I’d be careful STM someone could be looking to have you brought here to face charges for a stolen bottle of coke and a package of gum.

  • STM

    I think the real issue here is not the America-wide vending machine 1c coin crime spree but the interstate flight (even though we drove … and that’s another story). Then there is the small issue of having left the country. I believe any crime that involves interstate flight or leaving the US then goes into the federal jurisdiction.

    I am waiting for two dudes in bad suits and dark glasses with shocking haircuts and ear pieces to come knockin’ on my door, dangling FBI badges.

    Agent Smith and his mate Agent Smith. At least they’ll be more interesting than the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Mormons.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Oh dear God, the Jehovah’s witness protection program???? Quick, head for mexico before you’re extradicted!!!! Dave Nalle might be able to help he’s in texas.

  • STM

    I reckon Dave might even work for the government …. scary

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Nah, he just plays one on TV

  • http://www.thejustinian.com Ian

    The dollar coin is needed for foreigners mostly. The Euro nows buys $1.31 and the the dollar is getting even weaker. So now that a single dollar means nothing, especially it shouldn’t be anything more than chump ‘change.’

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Ian, as much as I hate to admit it, I think you’re right. the dollar now is worth as much as our international respect has fallen to, under Bush.

  • STM

    Come on guys, things ain’t that bad. You have to remember that while the euro is worth more than the dollar, as is the British pound, you get a lot less of ‘em in your pay packet.

    International exchange rates and the GDPs of countries tend to be based around the value of the US dollar, so it’s very much an artificial yardstick.

    Here’s an example: Australia’s GDP per capita is around US$32,000, I believe second only to the US ($41,600 – and pushed up by the number of mega-wealthy). However, even with purchasing power parity the measurement is artificial to some extent. Consider this: I earn around A$150,000, which translates to about US$100,000. However, dollar for dollar, I can do as much in Australia with my $150,000 as I could in the US if I earned US$150,000 (I have done the maths). But even here, and supporting a family and a mortgage and without the kind of generous tax relief offered in the US, it’s still a struggle. The counterpoint to that is that I have top-quality, universal free medical care, so it all comes out in the wash I guess.

    Conversely, I was recently offered a job in the UK where the international exchange rate translated my dollar amount to around 65,000 pounds sterling. I didn’t take the job, despite a small addition to the pay, as what you can do on that in a city like London is nothing compared to what I can do in Sydney on the same money (the price of petrol, for instance, is a third of the price it is in the UK, and quality fresh food is much cheaper, as is the price of housing outside the exclusive suburbs but still within the close-commuter belt).

    Simply quoting the exchange rate is silly … it doesn’t mean very much.

    But we have probably got away a bit from from the main thrust here: America, it probably is time you gave up the paper dollar and embraced the coin. It just works better for a whole range of things – and costs a lot less to make.

    That, really, is the key issue, not what the dollar will buy.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    STM, I had to read that twice to understand it, but I thank you for explaining it. I like learning from my readers.

    Jet

  • http://carsonly2 jaime

    ….parking meters,slot machines,vending machines,hookers,carwash, it’s still money and will take it from you!

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Jaime, all true and all very ironic. They’ll take any way they can get ti from ya. There are a lot of municipalities that don’t want to go to the expense of upgrading their parking meters to accept the coins though, and that’s a big reason for the resistance.

    Thanks for posting
    Jet

  • itoldyouso

    God and religion is squashed in america. Separation of state and church, 1st amendments rights, atheists, agnostics, and other minority groups win. The Alabama judge was nearly thrown in jail, God is being errased by the mint, its a holiday tree in NYC, thanksgiving is a joke because it means religious prayers, and santa is taboo because it is tied to xmas which is also taboo, and Christians are thrown to the lions. But what about the military chaplains?? Should’nt all military chaplains and on post worship religious churches also be abolished? Please throw me a bone.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Conggratulations itoldyouso! You win the prize for the most assinine remark made on this article so far!

    I’m so proud!

  • IgnatiusReilly

    “Please throw me a bone.”

    How about the one in my middle finger?

  • sr

    Must agree #116, however you remove Christ from Christmas with xmas. Like Im such a holy example making this comment with my rat-trap stinky mouth.

    “What’s happening!! Mr Jet in the world of numismatics? Later

  • IgnatiusReilly

    Actually the “x” stands for Christ, so you aren’t removing it. Now if you called ithe holiday Secular-Progressivemas, you would be removing it.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Ignatios, well I guess that’s another way of putting it.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Itoldyouso, God and religion are NOT removed from our coutnry, what is being removed, slowly but surely is the influence of jerks like you who believe that unless it’s YOUR particular “brand” of religion, than there can be no other.

    We all worship God and Jesus Christ in our own way, some fervently, others less so. None are more or less wrong or right. But people like you who believe that it can be one way or not at all sicken me. If we all donw worship like you, then it’s removing god and Christ from America, bacause unless it’s your brand, it doesn’t count, so all the rest of us are irrelivant… Therefore if your influence is being removed it’s the removal of religion, if anyone else’s is being removed, or coming to the forefront, it’s nonexistant.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    SR Christ was removed from christmas about 30 years ago when big business and department stores purchased the holiday wholesale.

  • sr

    I know that Jet. Will shop at K-Mart or the local dollar store. Bought a real diamond ring at the local gumball machine. The wife will never know being the trailer trash she is. She will think it’s from Elis. Thank you, Thank you very much.

  • sr

    Ignatius. Looked it up in my bible. Found the verse. Thanks.

  • sr

    From Elvis not Elis with love.

  • http://gregorygordon.com Gregory Gordon

    I am glad to see a discussion about church and state and the New Dollar coins. But it presents a big problem for true believers in the word of God because at least one of our presidents has been prominently linked with being the beast of Revelation 12 and 13. Ronald Wilson Reagan.

    Now while I am the most vocal voice in the world concerning the subject there are more than 200,000 pages that link the word antichrist beast and reagan on the world wide web.

    The dollar coin in my opinion may very well be the Mark of the beast without which no man may buy or sell. And I once really did hear a voice in my head saying “you shall overcome,” hundreds of times.

    Please forgive me if the subject has been breeched already but I read most of the posts and if it were it certainly did not become the major talk of the forum as it well should be.

    Ronald Wilson Reagan was the antichrist. How can we avoid his mark? Better yet, suppose that Reagan is not the antichrist how can we avoid any denomination of money? or Smart Cards? or Chips in the Hand or Head?

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    dear Gregory, While I somewhat agree with Reagan being the antiChrist, I’d say his “mark of the beast” has already been made on National Airport, and several Government buildings, not to mention grade and highschools.

    In any case the coin with his likeness isn’t due out until at least 2017, and if the failure rate of it’s predecessors is any indication, the coin will probably fall out of favor before it’s minted.

    There have been many attempts at putting Reagan on the dime and also the 10 dollar bill which failed.

    I’d think it’d anger the “gods” that Nixon beat him onto the coin first, and comically that Nancy will make it to a ten dollar gold piece long before he does.

    Rest easy, these things have a way of workign out.

    By the way, Dubya’s the antiCrist.

    thanks for contributing to the conversation
    Jet

  • Rev. B Rice

    I spent considerable time reading the diatribe of things written here after comeing by this by accident. It is evident that your site id purely politically motivated. I am a democrat, thank you. However I find no shame in recognizing God on coinage or any other place. We live in a Democracy where the Majority rules supposidly. According to the allmighty polls that everyone loves…86% of Americans believe in God and Jesus Christ. Because some one person is offended …Must we all suffer? How about my rights? In school we used to open everyday in prayer…You didn’t have to listen or participate, you just were expected to respect the short time others did. Remarkably enough we didn’t have kids on drugs either illegal or legal for disapline problems, no guns at school, no kids killing kids… Maybe we should be less offended over our personal thoughts and think of this country for the great place it is. If you think it was not founded on the belief in God, it proves your lack of knowledge. So yes, I appreciate the “In God We Trust.”
    Finally, the statements made about President Reagan being the Anti-Christ obviously have their heads buried in the sand, portraying an interesting target. A study of the Bible clearly says that is ridiculous. Oh Excuse me…You consider that politically incorrect…Don’t quote the Bible that you don’t read or understand…OK

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Reverend, as a teen I wanted to be a Presbyterian Minister and until recently I traditionally would read the Bible from cover to cover every year between Thanksgiving Day and Christmas.

    Can you brag that?

    Don’t judge that of which you know nothing about… but then again that’s what most self-righteous people do isn’t it. They take up the bible in order to “Speak for God” and enpower themselves over others.

    Our constitution also protects those who aren’t christian as well. Therefore it protects Jews from having to listen to Christian prayer in the classroom, just as it would protect Christian children from having to hear prayers from a Moslim or a Jewish teacher.

    The majority of americans support a woman’s right to choose to have an abortion, so your argument about majority rules falls flat.
    The majority of americans have also smoke marijuana at one time or another in their lives and support it’s use too.

    Or are you so hypocritical that it only counts when the majority is on your side?

    If that were the case no minority race in the country would have ever gained the right to vote until the latter part of the last century.

    The individual is the corner stone of “United we stand” not the other way around.

    Thanks for contributing
    Jet

  • Rev. B Rice

    It would seem that you are the judgemental one here. If you have read the entire Bible in those short times then you did not study it. Still it is not my place to judge that.
    I AM A PRESBYTERIAN MINISTER and I can show you that the Book you read in such a short period of time does definitively speak as to the abortion issue and the use of mind altering drugs…but since you are so all knowing…you already know that.
    As for hypocritical…I do not speak for God…I do not have that ability. Mine is to Walk the Walk, not Talk the Talk.
    Judge not; lest you be judged my Brother/Sister in Christ.

  • http://jetfireone.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Rev. you of all people should know that an argument for or against anything no matter how radical or conservative can be found in the bible should you look hard enough.

    Multiple wives, slavery, death to Jews, owning a black car verses a green one, not tithing 10 percent of your stock income to your local church.

    When you pick and choose, you expose yourself for what you are.

    I’ll admit that in the latter years I’d skim over the verses I’d become all too familiar with, but I still searched for justification to honor judgemental cretins like you.

    We all have our own opinions.

    I noticed you skipped over my arguments concerning forced prayer in school. Turn about is fair play.

    “A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest”

  • lb

    “In God We Trust”
    The phrase was first used on the U.S. two-cent coin in 1864. It appeared on the nickel, quarter, half-dollar, and silver dollar and on the $5, $10, and $20 gold pieces in 1866, on the penny in 1909, and on the dime in 1916. Dropped from the nickel in 1883, the phrase reappeared on the nickel in 1938. All U.S. coins now issued bear the motto.

  • Lyle

    It is interest that our government leaders has classified all christians in American as far right wing republicians, I guess democrats are on longer christians?

  • don freadman

    won’t it be a big awaking when they find out there is a god opps

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    It’s a good thing I checked today, which is impossible on a daily basis.

    FOR THOSE OF US WHO CARE ABOUT COMMENTS ON OUR ARTICLES-which is one of the only rewards we get for writing the damned things-

    PLEASE GET THE COMMENT NOTIFICATION E-MAILS FIXED…

    how many months has it been now?

  • Jim

    Great…
    Take God off and put Nixon on.
    We really have lost our minds!!!

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    By putting God on the coins Jim, we’re establishing a religion which is against the constitution-otherwise it’d also say in Budha we trust, in Allah we trust, in pencil we trust, in the dollar we trust, in Pat Robertson we trust.

    As for Nixon, until he got caught up in Watergate he was one of the most effective foreign policy presidents this country ever had.

    As for whether he deserves to be on a coin?

    Hey We the People elected him… right?

  • Peggy

    The phrase separation of church and state is not in the constitution, declaration of independence or the bill of rights as most Americans suppose. It is in a letter one man wrote to another, that’s it! The founding fathers of our nation have always held to their belief in God and the Bible.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Any more bullshit and disinformation you born-agains would like to spread?

    The separation of church and state is a legal and political principle derived from the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . .” The modern concept often credited to the writings of English philosopher John Locke, the phrase “separation of church and state” is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists, where Jefferson spoke of the combined effect of the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment

    You know Thomas Jefferson don’t you? Pat Robertson says he was sent down by God to establish a Christian Holyland in the Americas? God save us all from you twisted idiots. You twist facts into OPINIONS that fit your opinions and then try to sell them as “perverted” fact again.

    I’m not buying
    {:^p~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    By the way George Washington’s true personal “religion” was as a Free Mason

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    A few Christian fundamentalists attempt to convince us to return to the Christianity of early America, yet according to the historian, Robert T. Handy, “No more than 10 percent– probably less– of Americans in 1800 were members of congregations.”

    The Founding Fathers, also, rarely practiced Christian orthodoxy. Although they supported the free exercise of any religion, they understood the dangers of religion. Most of them believed in deism and attended Freemasonry lodges. According to John J. Robinson, “Freemasonry had been a powerful force for religious freedom.” Freemasons took seriously the principle that men should worship according to their own conscience. Masonry welcomed anyone from any religion or non-religion, as long as they believed in a Supreme Being. Washington, Franklin, Hancock, Hamilton, Lafayette, and many others accepted Freemasonry.

    The Constitution reflects our founders views of a secular government, protecting the freedom of any belief or unbelief. The historian, Robert Middlekauff, observed, “the idea that the Constitution expressed a moral view seems absurd. There were no genuine evangelicals in the Convention, and there were no heated declarations of Christian piety.”

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Much of the myth of Washington’s alleged Christianity came from Mason Weems influential book, “Life of Washington.” The story of the cherry tree comes from this book and it has no historical basis. Weems, a Christian minister portrayed Washington as a devout Christian, yet —Washington’s own diaries show that he rarely attended Church.

    Washington revealed almost nothing to indicate his spiritual frame of mind, hardly a mark of a devout Christian. In his thousands of letters, the name of Jesus Christ never appears. He rarely spoke about his religion, but his Freemasonry experience points to a belief in deism. Washington’s initiation occurred at the Fredericksburg Lodge on 4 November 1752, later becoming a Master mason in 1799, and remained a freemason until he died.

    To the United Baptist Churches in Virginia in May, 1789, Washington said that every man “ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience.”

    After Washington’s death, Dr. Abercrombie, a friend of his, replied to a Dr. Wilson, who had interrogated him about Washington’s religion replied, “Sir, Washington was a Deist.”

    Thomas Jefferson
    Even most Christians do not consider Jefferson a Christian. In many of his letters, he denounced the superstitions of Christianity. He did not believe in spiritual souls, angels or godly miracles. Although Jefferson did admire the morality of Jesus, Jefferson did not think him divine, nor did he believe in the Trinity or the miracles of Jesus. In a letter to Peter Carr, 10 August 1787, he wrote, “Question with boldness even the existence of a god.”

    … he was later reincarnated as Sir Christopher Rose

    Jefferson believed in materialism, reason, and science. He never admitted to any religion but his own. In a letter to Ezra Stiles Ely, 25 June 1819, he wrote, “You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know.”

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    James Madison
    Called the father of the Constitution, Madison had no conventional sense of Christianity. In 1785, Madison wrote in his Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments:

    “During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.

    “What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Peggy,

    Who gives a care about the foundering fathers. They were a bunch of drunks.
    Out with the dead idiots, bring on some new ones. Putting Nixon on a coin sounds more honest. Can’t wait to the the Bush-Cheney mint set.

    (… he was later reincarnated as Sir Christopher Rose… roflol!)

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    The most convincing evidence that our government did not ground itself upon Christianity comes from the very document that defines it– the United States Constitution.

    If indeed our Framers had aimed to found a Christian republic, it would seem highly unlikely that they would have forgotten to leave out their Christian intentions in the Supreme law of the land. In fact, nowhere in the Constitution do we have a single mention of Christianity, God, Jesus, or any Supreme Being. There occurs only two references to religion and they both use exclusionary wording. The 1st Amendment’s says, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. . .” and in Article VI, Section 3, “. . . no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

    Thomas Jefferson:
    “I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State.”

    As Thomas Jefferson wrote in his Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom:

    “Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.

    James Madison, perhaps the greatest supporter for separation of church and State, and whom many refer to as the father of the Constitution, also held similar views which he expressed in his letter to Edward Livingston, 10 July 1822:

    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.

    Today, if ever our government needed proof that the separation of church and State works to ensure the freedom of religion, one only need to look at the plethora of Churches, temples, and shrines that exist in the cities and towns throughout the United States. Only a secular government, divorced from religion could possibly allow such tolerant diversity.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Amen Cindy

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I love hit-and-run born agains who leave their bullshit as facts then skulk into the shadows thinking we’ll believe it since it appeared as words before our ignorant and all-accepting eyes.

    Of course once they’re proven wrong they’ll ignore our presented facts and quotes as mere opinion. Much the way that they accept as fact that the earth and stars are no more than 5000 years old, that dinosaurs didn’t really exist and the bones were place there by God to test our faith in them and that THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is falling horribly behind scientifically after Pope George Bush II insisted that the Bible be taught as fact, and that Science be taught as a theory.

    god help us all

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    according to the historian, Robert T. Handy, “No more than 10 percent– probably less– of Americans in 1800 were members of congregations.”

    To be fair, Jet, I’d guess that the principal reason for that was that America at that time was an overwhelmingly rural society and most of the population lived an inconvenient distance from the nearest church.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Oh… well that certainly negates all those quotes about our founding fathers and America not being started as a theocracy as the born-agains would have you believe.

    I stand corrected
    amen

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    I will say, though, that it is fascinating that Christians, historically, have seemed unable to shake off the paganism they supposedly abhor.

    There’s Roman Catholicism with its saints – particularly those designated as patron saints for every imaginable facet of life and the world – and the churches which bear their names. They’re direct descendants of the pagan gods and the temples dedicated to them.

    Modern American Protestants don’t pay much mind to saints, of course. Instead, their pantheon seems to be the Founding Fathers.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Jet (150), all I’m saying is that Handy seems to be trying to argue that early America was not an overwhelmingly Christian society. He’s dead wrong.

    You are, however, absolutely correct in your observations that (a) its political leaders, and in particular the core group known as the Founding Fathers, were by and large not Christians, or at least not as most people would understand it; and (b) they did not envisage a particular brand of faith, be it Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrianism or anything else, being enshrined in the Constitution.

    That said, I think most of them took the existence of some sort of higher power or Creator for granted – hence the language of the Declaration of Independence and some of the other founding documents. I suspect that most of them would not have much of a problem with the words ‘In God We Trust’ appearing on the currency.

    Then again, the Founding Fathers were not gods and their words and thoughts are not law.

    This one will run and run, I think!

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    their pantheon seems to be the Founding Fathers

    precious…

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Point taken Doc. I will point however that the motto and disinformation about our founders didn’t appear until around a hundred years after the country was set up.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    To Lyle #134,
    According to most republicans, democrats aren’t christians, nor are they patriotic.

    I personally am not a God-fearing christian because I simply don’t fear god. God-if there is one-did not create us to fear him. I fear only the judgement of pious jerks who claim to be his representatives and want us to fear them as his spokesman-giving them power and making them rich.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    True, Jet. In other words, shortly after a civil war had almost ripped the country apart and right in the middle of the Victorian era with all its Christian revivalist movements.

    The prevailing public opinion before that point seems to have been that religion was a matter for communities, and that it was perfectly reasonable for there to be no reference to it in relation to government and the law.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    In other words about the time religion stopped being a belief and became a tax-exempt business

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    LOL.

    “Render unto Caesar…”

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    The Dog Whisperer?

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Heh.

    Fancy him, do you? ;-)

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    I need a cat whisperer, anyway.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Cesar is very cool.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Cat whisperer…pffffft! Good luck with that. lol

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    meow

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    In that case it’d be “In Dog We Trust”?

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Well, his thyroid is fucked and he has chronic kidney failure. As a result, he goes crazy on a regular basis. The vet just upped his meds and that seems to have calmed him down a bit, but his recalcitrant organs are obviously bothering him. :-(

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I cherished a cat to death with kidney failure Doc, I couldn’t let him go and would have him hooked up to an IV bag daily to keep him alive.

    I hated myself for prolonging his suffering for three months after the diagnosis because I couldn’t bear to lose him. His ashes still sit on my desk 10 years later.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Apart from his behavioural problems, Jet, mine is in good health for now. We had a bit of a scare a couple of months ago when he went under general anaesthetic to have his teeth cleaned and struggled to recover: his kidneys couldn’t process out the drugs properly and his back half was spastic for days.

    Now he’s back to jumping up on things, peeing outside his litter box (thank goodness for black garbage sacks!), biting us on the chin, charging about and bugging the hell out of his sister.

    Cats.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/an roger nowosielski

    Welcome home, Jet. I hope you’re doing reasonably well.

  • http://jetsgaypride.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Home… is where the heart is?

  • Mark

    “Home is where you wear your hat…”

  • http://jetsgaypride.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    If we can get a cat cheap, I think we may have a movie!

  • Mark

    Speaking of hearts, how’s yours?

  • Debbie

    What is our world coming too? Our forefathers are rolling in their graves. You know the way I see it leave our coins alone, if you don’t believe in God or don’t want to see the comment don’t use the coins. We will ship you over to the communist countries. I am just saying…..

  • http://jetsgaypride.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Debbie, the motto “in god we trust” was NOT originally on our coinage, and was not prominently displayed on it until 1959.

    Our country was not founded on exclusively southern baptist “values” either… nor is Jesus nemtioned anywhere in the constitution… and for good reason.

    …just saying.

  • http://jetsgayheadlinenews-jet.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Oh cool! I was wondering if this was going to happen… (:?PbPb~~~~~~~

  • http://jetsgayheadlinenews-jet.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    THERE HAS TO BE A DAMNED FILTER FOR THIS BULLSHIT. The comment notify e-mails are worse than fucking spam!!!!!

    GET OFF YOUR ASS TR!!!