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Nelson Mandela is Still a Terrorist

For me, Nelson Mandela is a hero, a saintly figure, a role model.

In contrast, the United States government still considers Mandela and his African National Congress (ANC) as terrorists.

Even today, ANC’s former and current members still show up on America’s travel and terrorism watch lists.

Nelson Mandela, one of the ANC “terrorists,” still needs to get a special waiver to enter the United States.

“It is shameful that the United States still treats Nelson Mandela and the African National Congress this way based solely on its designation as a terrorist organisation by the old apartheid South African regime,” said Howard Berman, chairperson of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs.

“The ANC should have never been on the watch list. The ANC was a liberation movement against apartheid, and the United States was on the wrong side of history. This makes no sense with regard to our foreign policy,” said U.S. Representative, Barbara Lee (D-CA).

South Africa’s apartheid regime banned the ANC in 1960 and its leaders were either imprisoned in the infamous Robben Island prison or forced into exile.

The apartheid government segregated black and white communities and forced them to live in separate areas. White people, who made up only 20% of the country’s population, controlled 90% of the land.

The regime introduced grand social engineering schemes such as the forced resettlement of people. Forced removals from “white” areas affected some 3.5 million people, creating vast rural slums. Hundreds of thousands of black people were arrested and prosecuted each year, reaching over half a million a year from the mid-1960s to the mid-1970s. 

As also noted in the source linked above, in virtually every sphere of life, from housing to education to healthcare, “apartheid government took control over black people’s lives with a view to reinforcing their allotted role as ‘temporary sojourners,’ welcome in ‘white’ South Africa solely to serve the needs of the employers of labor.”

The ANC engaged in passive resistance and armed struggle against the ruthless and racist apartheid regime and was branded a terrorist group by South Africa, the United States, and Britain.  

South Africa’s apartheid would have never been possible without the help from the West.

Father Michael Lapsley, the man who lost his hands, one eye and was burned severely in an assassination attempt by the apartheid security forces, says that “it was both [US President] Reagan and [British Prime Minister] Thatcher who were giving support to the apartheid regime and in a sense prolonging our struggle. More people had to die in South Africa because of the support that came from Western governments, particularly from Washington and London at that period.” 

During his time in office, President Reagan fully supported the apartheid government in South Africa and “labelled Nelson Mandela’s African National Congress a notorious terrorist organization.”

In 1981, Reagan explained to CBS that he was loyal to the South African apartheid regime because it was “a country that has stood by us in every war we’ve ever fought, a country that, strategically, is essential to the free world in its production of minerals.” 

Reagan was not the only supporter of the racist regime in South Africa. Dick Cheney, the current vice-president of the United States, was one of the leading US politicians that opposed the release of Nelson Mandela from jail.

In 1986, Cheney, along with 145 Republicans and 31 Democrats, voted against a non-binding Congressional resolution calling on the South African government to release Nelson Mandela from prison. 

There is nothing politicians won’t do for minerals and oil. They will be on the wrong side of history. They will lie, invade countries, and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

About Savo Heleta

  • CR

    How goes black-run SA?

    Crime – “visitors should be aware that criminal activity, often violent, occurs routinely. Notwithstanding government anti-crime efforts, violent crimes such as armed robbery, carjacking, mugging, “smash and grab” attacks on vehicles, and other incidents are regularly reported by visitors and resident Americans.”

    Rape – “South Africa also has the highest incidence of reported rape in the world.”

    Murder – “In 1998 South Africa had the highest recorded per capita murder rate of the countries selected in the 1998 Interpol report. In 1998 there were 59 recorded murders in South Africa per 100000 of the population, followed by Colombia with 56 murders per 100000.”

    Economy – “”First was white power, then came black power and now no power,” jokes an executive of a South African think-tank.”

    “A “national electrical emergency” has been declared in South Africa where power cuts are affecting millions of people and casting doubt over plans to host the football World Cup in 2010.

    Authorities on Friday outlined steps to combat the problem that is stirring anxiety about the future of the largest economy in Africa.

    The power has gone off across the country frequently in the last few weeks — sometimes for up to five hours at a time — as demand exceeds supply.

    President Thabo Mbeki has admitted that his government failed to plan properly after being warned about possible shortages years ago.”

    AIDS – “21.5% (2003 est.)”

    Sounds like paradise to me. I want to go there with my wife and be murdered, while my wife is raped and given AIDS, all in the dark because the power is out. At least the government isn’t racist anymore. That makes me feel good.

  • CR

    Nelson Mandela is a great peace-maker.

    Sure, he sings about killing white people, but that is acceptable to tolerant people like me. Very understandable for a national leader of a rainbow movement.

  • http://www,google.com CR

    Look up the word UHURU to see what our benevolent black brothers have in store for white South Africans when Mandela dies.

    Link

    “Some of the whites are now so poor they have resorted to begging at traffic lights. The sight of white beggars gives me so much joy. Let them taste the feeling. Blacks have been begging since forever. The whites also complain about affirmative action. Who are they to complain when for many years they hired their own and treated black people like dogs?

    I think the whites are spoilt. For all the bad things they did to black people they ought to be a bit more grateful. In fact they should count themselves lucky they were not shot on the day of liberation. Perhaps it’s not too late to hang a few whites at the local stadium just to remind them who is in charge. But I must admit the blacks have been nice.

    On second thoughts I think our people have been stupid. For one, why didn’t they divide white women amongst themselves? But again I don’t think it’s too late. Whites never stop complaining. They whinge about crime. They say the country is the most violent in the world.

    Well they can afford to say that. For their information the violence has always been there. It’s just that when they were in power all the crime and violence was taking place in black communities. I say now that everyone is equal crime must affect all people equally. The whites say the best black president was Mandela. They have good reason to say so. Mandela spent a lot of time smiling and hugging them. I never understood Mandela.

    How do people deprive you of the best years of your life and yet you become so cosy with them? They must have injected the old chap with some funny drug on that island. There was a time when he even took tea with the wife of one of the ex presidents who called him a terrorist.

    Coming to think of it I am surprised Mandela married the wife of Samora Machel. Such is his great love for the former oppressors I had expected him to marry the wife of John Vorster.

    Although the Big Lion in power hasn’t killed any whites they don’t like him. They miss Mandela. Well Mandela is not coming back and the Big Lion is on his way out. I am glad the Big Lion is paving way.

    Actually I wish he would leave earlier. I have no quarrels with the man. I just want a better man in his place who will address all the wrongs of the past. Folks I think soon South Africa will have the kind of president who will once and for all sort out the whites. In the current jostling to succeed the Big Lion, one Jacob Zuma seems headed to state house. I like Zuma. He is the guy I want as president. Zuma is a man who enjoys the best things in life. When he was vice president he realized they were not paying him enough. Hence he became friends with an Indian chap who bought him clothes and gave him money.

    Some jealous blacks and their white friends called that corruption. His Indian friend was put on trial and convicted.

    Zuma was then slapped with charges for being friends with the Indian. While awaiting trial he was accused of raping a young lady. It was a bad time. Zuma won the rape trial because the judge said the young woman had wanted to give it to him for free. A few weeks ago the corruption charges were also thrown out.

    The people love Jacob Zuma. Zuma is a fun guy. He is ever smiling and loves singing and dancing. Now that is a funky guy to have as president. I can’t wait for him to take over. But as a part of sorting out ungrateful white people I want Zuma to embark on a re-distribution exercise. I want him to distribute white women among the long suffering black chaps in South Africa.

    He must first choose which white woman he wants. He can even have two. That done he must then distribute to his loyal supporters. And if there is a surplus he should distribute to his supporters in tiny neighboring states. I am one of his supporters. I look forward to the reign of President Jacob Zuma.”

    Link

  • http://www.savoheleta.com Savo Heleta

    CR, did your predecessors form the KKK? It sounds like it.

  • http://www.savoheleta.com Savo Heleta

    “Some of the whites are now so poor they have resorted to begging at traffic lights.”

    CR, I agree with you. I live in South Africa and see 3-4 whites begging at traffic lights every day.

    I also see thousands of black children begging at other traffic lights every day.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy in Jerusalem

    I went to CR’s link to a Botswana paper. Loose Cannon’s article was written in English, but the stuff on the side was written in both Afrikaans and English. Also, it should be noted that it is 18 months old. Was the successor to M’beki chosen by the ANC in 2006?

    While I can understand the upsetment over the article, I strongly suspect that similar sentiments about blacks and mixed blood Africans were found in the Afrikaans press and in Afrikaans circulars in the years before the fall of the apartheid regime, certainly in the 1960′s and ’70′s.

  • Cannonshop

    Well, if they manage not to pull a Zimbabwe, or Liberia, they might pull through…maybe. Apartheid was stupidity from the outset, prolonged long after the rest of the english-speaking world had figured out that such policies only serve to create chaos and disruption, along with generations that idolize “Thugs” and prefer ignorant “power” over little conveniences like runnning water and functioning lights, people who prefer redistribution to earning, and then wonder why their economy tanks, the lights don’t work, they don’t have a job, and the kids are starving.

    Black or white, when the lights don’t work, the heater’s cold or there’s no AC, everyone’s broke, and everyone’s thirsty or starving, everybody is the same.

    As for why the ANC is on “watch lists” still?

    Let’s see…

    Necklacing
    Bombing
    Incitement to riot
    Internal Blood Feuds.
    Fratricidal violence
    Violence against post-apartheid authorities.
    Drug dealing
    Street Violence

    Mandela might not be a terrorist, but that’s like Gerry Adams isn’t a Terrorist, as in he might be a man of peace and a statesman, but his organization under Winnie is a bit like the Los Angeles Crips-only with a political slant. Somehow I doubt that a known “O.G.” or leader of the Gangsta Disciples, crips, bloods, Latin Kings, or M-13 would be welcomed with open arms by South African authorities, even lacking judicial convictions, at least, South African authorities that are actually trying to do their jobs.

    Terrorism doesn’t necessarily mean “Suicide Bomber”, sometimes it’s just “Street thug with connections”.

  • http://www.savoheleta.com Savo Heleta

    All white South Africans should have photos of Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu in their homes and pay them respect every day.

    After centuries of horrific racist oppression, Mandela and Tutu still protected whites, their houses with swimming pools, their jobs, BMW’s.

    They did not have to do this. They could just order their people to kill and bomb all of the whites (some would say with a good reason), something similar to what Americans did in Afghanistan in the aftermath of the September 11.

  • Zedd

    Cannonshop

    The ANC is THE political party of South Africa. I’m guessing the remaining terrorist designation is an oversight or a bureaucratic tangle of some sort.

    However…

    What is relevant is that they were ever considered terrorists. We had a nation that is built on evil and the antithesis of what we value (liberty), we dared declare those who stood against that, terrorists. What is interesting is that one of the most revered Presidents of the United States supported this evil regime while declaring Communism evil.

    The persistent theme of dehumanizing non Whites in our culture is so deeply entrenched to the extent that most Caucasians don’t see it. How can a people who claim to value freedom above all other things hold a man who supported such a government in high regard, without shame? It is because that huge character flaw in the eyes of many Caucasians is minor. It is understandable. Other’s humanity only comes into consideration occasionally and in most cases the impetus is some bizarre self promoting venture which will over shadow the plight of the people.

    For far too many, the big hoopla about Tibet is not really about the people of Tibet. It is about the disdain for China and their progress.

  • http://www.savoheleta.com Savo Heleta

    During the Truth and Reconciliation hearings after apartheid was abolished in 1994, the white security policemen explained how they oppressed blacks.

    One story stayed in my mind. They would capture black male children, kill them, and burn their bodies.

    They said that it was better to kill them when they were kids instead of waiting for them to grow up and become terrorists.

    You can read about this and other gruesome stories in “Country of My Skull,” the book by Antjie Krog (the link is below the article).

    It’s interesting to see in the comments above that there are still some who are on the wrong side of history… and some who are blatantly racist.

  • CR

    *CR, did your predecessors form the KKK?*

    A personal attack is not a very effective counterargument, Savo.

    *All white South Africans should have photos of Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu in their homes and pay them respect every day.*

    They should worship them for destroying their country and handing it over to savages who cannot even keep the lights on?

    *They did not have to do this. They could just order their people to kill and bomb all of the whites (some would say with a good reason)*

    Do not worry. That day is coming, and soon. Zuma will do to SA what Mugabe has done to Zim.

    *something similar to what Americans did in Afghanistan in the aftermath of the September 11.*

    The USA ordered its military to kill all the Muslims in Afghanistan? What newspaper do you read to get your information? The one I linked to in Botswana?

  • CR

    The reason The USA and other western countries supported SA in the past was because it was a friendly country with a responsible government and was a consistent ally. They could even be trusted with atomic technology given to them by Israel.

    Now it is an irresponsible government run by the communist ANC and is unfriendly to the west, and whites in general. They cannot stop the rapes or the robberies or the murders. They probably do not even want to, as many of the targets are white, and nearly all of the perpetrators are black. This is considered just revenge in the minds of many black South Africans, indeed blacks in general.

    An iron law of government is when a country is run by blacks, there will be rampant corruption, incompetence, economic turmoil, a high rate of crime, and unchecked violence against non-blacks. All while they blame white people for their problems.

  • Biloxi

    Yes, I’m reading about the new terrorists.

    And but of course, naturally it happens to be Iran.

    Those darn Iranians, wanting to be human beings on Earth and have a life! Golly they actually possess the temerity to believe in the fact that a few criminally insane are genuinely political ponerology definitions.

    What are they thinking!!!!

    And Nelson Mandela goddamn him for being another one of those darn leaders who probably gave that stupid upstart President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the notion that he could lead with conscience.

    Zionist Toadies are not having a good reality. The millipede and centipede armies are not getting their own way in eating the landscape into nothing more than death, destruction and ultimately toxic ruin.

    Poor David R.; Royals/EU/ME/Asia; Henry K.; Margaret T; GeorgieB 1 & 2 and so many other in that nasty lineage too. Can’t steal any more pudding using the ADL as a shovel, hammer, nail and even a full fledged execution of all intelligence, knowledge and intuition too.

    King and Queen Zionist Toadies can no longer drive their mass murdering into, over and through human beings as though we are nothing more than the energy for their motor cars.

    However, just a passing thought. What to do about the new superpower emerging?

    No Rome but instead CHINA?

    Yikes, the human rights in that department!

    Chi Gung practitioners who are tortured and kept ALIVE to have their living organs harvested for the rich, simply a consumer “beauty”?

    The Zionist Toadies have met their match I’m afraid.

  • Zedd

    CR

    “They should worship them for destroying their country and handing it over to savages who cannot even keep the lights on?”

    Its clear that you either have not common sense or you are just young (therefore forgivabley dumb).

    The infrustructure which provided electricity to South Africa was not designed to cater to the entire South African population. That would be aparthied at work. When rights came for the the entire people of the natioin and electrical power was extended to all of South Africa, the grid could not support the need. Common sense right? You have attributed the cause of the problem to an inferiority in Africans. I think you were alluding to a genetic inferiority of sorts, meaning that you are superior because of your whiteness (white supremacy). However your logic is flaud and I think we would say that your conclusion has a false cause. In other words you are wrong. White supremacist notions are in the category of old wives tales and urban legends. They sound really riviting but have no weight.

    Next time THINK before you post. Remember, the world is huge and everyone is online including Zulus, Xhosas, Sothos, Pedes, Ndebeles, Swazis, Tswanas, San, Venda and Changan. We all have access to the world of information at the tip of our fingers. You false reports about the dark continent wont cut it. So you better sharpen up.

    In the words of an incredible poet:

    I can only dance
    to the beat of progressive hands.
    No song can move me
    if it’s meant to break my knee.

    cr,

    You may come to the dance floor
    or stay the heck outside the door.

    Makes no difference. It’s a new day. My South Africa

  • http://www.godsmadmen.com Biloxi

    In my understanding human remains were discovered in Africa, to be the first “man and woman” of earth.

    Nature dictates color. Maybe God is nature with a sense of humor? Art plays with color and BLACK is the result of putting every color together. White is the absence of color, only a tint. Red, Yellow, Blue are hues and of these yellow is rated to be the strongest. Mix hues together and we can see rainbows.

    Recently I discovered that the National Endowment for Democracy, (“NED”) a significant partner of the “freedom movement” in Tibet and including the Falon Gong practitioners, have been receiving support and money from George Soros as well as the Bush/Cheney/Clinton mileau. An ongoing practice it appears to be, democracy for predatory consumption by the tape worm society.

    Novels to be written about gluttonous greed, opulent thieves, intrigue, treason, murder and the abomination is a pretense to be humanitarian.

    Alpha fedora
    señora slurrin’ lies
    first in line
    climb the ladder
    Omega in his eyes
    smokescreen brainwash
    propaganda base
    removing every face
    projecting them
    to the stars
    floating in the ocean
    are the rest without a voice
    Alpha fedora
    only wants to make your choice.
    RAW

  • froggy

    Excellent article!! My uncle had this problem. They refused to let him into the USA because he had been jailed for “terrorism” against the South African state some years previously during apartheid even though he actually has a top job in the government now.

    It is absolutely disgraceful – and ironic given the treatment of Osama Bin Laden’s family over the years.

    And for all those who are making racist comments about South Africa – go and spend two weeks there and then come back and tell me that white people are facing a “genocide” or whatever pro-apartheid propagandists like to say these days. I’m white myself by the way and so much of the lies about south africa are overexaggerated scare stories. Yes, there is crime there but if you saw how most white people live over there you wouldn’t be calling them “persecuted”. There is crime there but it is REDUCING and life for the average black person has improved indescribably since the end of the apartheid regime.

    Savo – off topic, but I have read quite a lot of what you are saying re the Balkans and agree with most of it -livejournal wont let me comment there because i don’t have a livejournal account. I am disgusted at the double standards between Serbia and other countries in the region and I was disgusted at the recent decision of my government (I live in the UK) to recognise Kosovo’s independence.

  • Christopher Charlton

    I have recently resigned from the ANC as an Honoray ANC member of Lenasia South South Africa, Presidential Police Force. Eleven years It has been and nothing but problems from my mother longs collapsing three times to a neighbor that I suspect on doing It himself by using speacial Secret Police Equipment and spying on my mother as I was away In NY with my wife Luccille Mavi Nelson Mandela’s family member In 1997, Living myself In Glenolden PA.
    The bastord lived accross from us growing up In Philly for awhile just speaking to everyone when he move around the neighborhood and in the neighborhood that I grew up In everyone was close to one another and got along just fine untill he started spreading hate Instead of just going to work and coming home to a nice hello.
    Now knowing that Nelson Mandela Is part of Humass
    a terrost net work that does harm secretly and none secretly to the US to attack our aconomy that will never break because the land Is to rich to break us In the pocket and other country’s are crying over stuff that they can fix there self It’s a shame, when the US helps every country that Is In need with our own money and then turn around and have some dummy talk about all are well doing when all they want to do is harm and have you luck like you are In the wrong when you are In the right of way. I am a desendent of President TAYLOR the twelth President of the United States Of America. So If you are Nelson Mandela Running That type of opperation I will find out and have you re arrested again on charges of terrioms. It’s not like you are not use to the attention of being arrested and In jail for no reason you say? but I say that you know that you where put there for your wrong doing In the first place. Now all I here Is how you where put there because of the Struggle that led you to be arrested but there Is no Struggle that one can’t overcome. Comming From a Samuel Pannill Desendent that owned the largets Slave Plantation In The US and had the nices’t attitude and writtens written on behalf of the Plantation and It’s people such as my Grandmothers Grand father his son, Grandmother on my Mother’s side of the family. Slaves where set free to the town nere by before slavery was ended If there Master wished to set them free when they past away. Read on It your self Green Hill Plantation, Campbell County VA. Lynchburge that Is. My dad Is black and Native American Indian German Jewish And British, Royalty, Baughn. Baughn’s father also had some land that he could have gotten from King and Queen County Virginia, If he pleased to get It but he left It to his brother’s. None the Less a Terriost Is one who sides with though’s who terrorise and that Is called Conspirocy.

  • Christopher Charlton

    P.S A man from Lybria told me just days ago here In Philadelphia, PA that they call Nelson Mandela a Terrorist Now all over because he was locked up. They where looking for a cop killer here In Philadelphia, PA durring that time on the East Cost. I saw an Muslim Lady In Lenesia South South Africa at the time and have It On tape, just the one but on the West Cost John Walker Lyn was just one to turn on the Government of the US. Another Man came In my Fathers Restaurant and said that South Africans are weak because they are watered down and Nelson Mandela’s Family member told me him self South African and White people here In the US are all that he hangs out with. Nonetheless his sister Luccill Mavi said In 1995 that Nelson Mandela Didn’t want anything to do with the Black people here In the US, they might miss there boat Is what she told me he said?.

  • http://www.davidbenariel.org David Ben-Ariel

    ” … Terrorists are adept at using the freedom inherent in western philosophy and constitutions, in order to subvert Freedom.

    Intimidation is a dreadful instrument, and is used most expertly by those who are disciples of the philosophy of communism, fascism, or Nazism – there is no difference between them.

    They are all dictatorships which believe in the ‘one party state’ philosophy: once power is seized, it is held forever, and anyone who dissents receives a clear message: ‘change your mind, or else!’ …”

    -Winston Churchill

  • http://www.davidbenariel.org David Ben-Ariel

    Flaming liberals and other dangerously misguided souls, the kind that led to the destruction of once peaceful and prosperous South Africa, are now out to sanitize the “saintly” terrorist Nelson Mandela (wolf in sheep’s clothing, who knows how to talk to white people) and his toxic organization – the terrorist African National Congress (ANC) – and have them removed from the United States’ terrorist list where they belong (HR 5690). Don’t let them succeed!

    Read for yourself about terrorist Nelson Mandela’s crimes (most have never heard of, denied the opportunity by the liberal media) and then immediately call the U.S. Congress to warn them not to pass this treacherous legislation to take the African National Congress off the U.S. Terrorist List where they belong. Former failed presidential candidate John Kerry (D-Mass) is shamefully sponsoring a companion bill for the Senate. [Personal contact info deleted]

    * The full list of munitions and charges read as follows:

    • One count under the South African Suppression of Communism Act No. 44 of 1950, charging that the accused committed acts calculated to further the achievement of the objective of communism;

    • One count of contravening the South African Criminal Law Act (1953), which prohibits any person from soliciting or receiving any money or articles for the purpose of achieving organized defiance of laws and country; and

    • Two counts of sabotage, committing or aiding or procuring the commission of the following acts:

    1) The further recruitment of persons for instruction and training, both within and outside the Republic of South Africa, in:

    (a) the preparation, manufacture and use of explosives–for the purpose of committing acts of violence and destruction in the aforesaid Republic, (the preparation and manufacture of explosives, according to evidence submitted, included 210,000 hand grenades, 48,000 anti-personnel mines, 1,500 time devices, 144 tons of ammonium nitrate, 21.6 tons of aluminum powder and a ton of black powder);

    (b) the art of warfare, including guerrilla warfare, and military training generally for the purpose in the aforesaid Republic;

    (ii) Further acts of violence and destruction, (this includes 193 counts of terrorism committed between 1961 and 1963);

    (iii) Acts of guerrilla warfare in the aforesaid Republic;

    (iv) Acts of assistance to military units of foreign countries when involving the aforesaid Republic;

    (v) Acts of participation in a violent revolution in the aforesaid Republic, whereby the accused, injured, damaged, destroyed, rendered useless or unserviceable, put out of action, obstructed, with or endangered:

    (a) the health or safety of the public;
    (b) the maintenance of law and order;

    (c) the supply and distribution of light, power or fuel;
    (d) postal, telephone or telegraph installations;
    (e) the free movement of traffic on land; and
    (f) the property, movable or immovable, of other persons or of the state.

    Source: The State v. Nelson Mandela et al, Supreme Court of South Africa, Transvaal Provincial Division, 1963-1964, Indictment.

    Stop Terrorist Nelson Mandela!

  • http://www.davidbenariel.org David Ben-Ariel

    Shamefully, we rarely hear such an honest appraisal of South Africa’s deteriorating situation in the United States. If we did, perhaps the stark reality check of the much vaunted “New South Africa” would dim the luster of Obama’s lies about “change” (as if his Black Liberation Theology would bring about a change for the better when logic and history testify otherwise).

    Children Are Their Oppressors

  • Clavos

    David,

    Just out of curiosity:

    What do you think of Mexicans? Vietnamese? Hmong? Irish? How about Japanese? Thais? Maori?

  • Ruvy

    You may come to the dance floor
    or stay the heck outside the door.

    Makes no difference. It’s a new day. My South Africa

    I haven’t read anything about you shufflin’ over to your South Africa, oh mighty Zulu princess. to do any of that dancin’.

    Tell us about your South Africa – in your own words, please. Your link was a dud.

  • Ruvy

    Clav,

    Just out of curiosity:

    What do you think of Mexicans? Vietnamese? Hmong? Irish? How about Japanese? Thais? Maori?

    Just curious; when you ask about all these nationalities, are you talking about them in their native lands(like the Maori in New Zealand), or as minorities elsewhere (like the Hmong in California or the Midwest)?

  • Cindy D

    David,

    Why not move to the U.S.? Ron Paul needs some more supporters.

  • Ruvy

    Cindy,

    David ben-Ariel lives in the United States, and wishes he didn’t.

  • Cindy D

    Ruvy,

    LOL So what the hell is his problem?

  • Ruvy

    Go check out his site, and find out. There are links in comments #20 & #21. Work your way back to the dude…. Better yet, you can check here, in this article he wrote in 2006.

    I should point out to you that when David writes about Shim’on Peres coming to power over the dead body of YitzHak Rabin (and now over the comatose body of the rotting Ariel Sharon), he is on the money.

  • Ozzy 104

    Mandela was a terrorist, he condoned militant tactics and founded the militant wing of the ANC. Winnie is even worse. Im not saying that what he was fighting for isn’t an honourable cause, but the tactics Mandela and the ANC used were horrific and helped to further demonise black people, and it sickens me to hear him referenced alongside true heroes like Martin Luther King and Gandhi.

  • STM

    Ozzy 104 … Oops … Mandela was in jail all the time the ANC were playing up, so he wasn’t even condoning the tactics. He was doing his best to survive his imprisonment on Robben Island.

    If Mandela is still a terrorist, how come South Africa and the ANC had a charter embracing truth, and reconciliation – and dare I say it, forgiveness – for all South Africans?

    You know, just a thought.

    Cause if anyone had a right to be bitter, it was Mandela and some of his mates.

    But no, South Africa hasn’t been torn apart by hate and bitterness in the past 15 years. Mandela’s vision for a rainbow nation isn’t far off the truth in modern Sth Africa.

    Amazing for a terrorist, eh, to want peace, prosperity and freedom for all and to hold out the olive branch in some kind of near-saintly act of forgiveness to those who took away the best part of your life?

    Makes a few other terrorists look a bit sick, then, don’t you reckon?

  • http://www.savoheleta.com Savo

    Ozzy, if the tactics used by Mandela were horrific and terrorist, what about the tactics used by the white racist and genocidal regime.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Give Ozzy some credit, you two – he’s the first commenter in the history of the site to manage to spell Gandhi’s name correctly.

  • Tokolos

    Mandela should still be considered a terrorist, just as Osama Bin Laden. Neither of them personally planted bombs that killed innocent people (that we know of), but being the leader of an organization that did, does not make you innocent just because you have not done it personally.
    Not to mention the necklacing of poor “Stompie” and other attrocities instigated by Winnie Mandela and the ANC, serves her right not being admitted into Canada. Well done Canada!.
    Think about this, if Hitler lived today,or for that matter take Osama bin Laden, if either spent years in prison, said they are sorry (which I do not believe Mandela ever did say), would they also (like Mandela) be able to win the Nobel peace prize and become president of their country…..

    Call it what it is…all terrorists…

    By the way, the 2010 work cup soccer will be a big mess, but as usual,the ANC will probably claim all credit for anything good(if anthing good comes out of it) , but blame any accountability of irregularities on someone else…

    Yes, Nelson Mandela is a terrorist, I agree

  • CHRISTOPHER CHARLTON

    NELSON MANDELA IS LOVED BY MANY I SPOKE TO A GREAT FELLA THE OTHER DAY AND HE WAS ASKING ME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT I WROTE. HE WAS DOING A CLASS ON THIS TOPIC IN SA, HE WASN’T SURE IF HE WANTED TO US IT OR NOT. GREAT STUFF. I HAVE TO SAY THAT THIS IS STRICLY MY VIEWS ONLY BECAUSE OF THINGS THAT I HAVE PERSONALY GONE THROUGH HER IN AMERICA AFTER MEETING LUCCILLE MAVI AND SUNNY MORGAN. NOT TOGETHER AS I SAID I ALREADY KNOWN HER BUT IN SOUTH AFRICA I FILLED AN FBI REPORT OUT THAT CLEARS YOU FROM INTERNATIONAL MISS CONDUCT THIS WAS IN 1997. AFTER THAT THE ANC BY WAY OF SUNNY MORGAN OFFERED ME TO BECOME AN ANC MEMBER OF LENESIA SOUTH SOUTH AFRICA, I EXCEPTED. SENSE THEN FOR A FEW YEARS ALL WAS WELL BUT AFTER LUCCILLE AND I BROKE UP AND DIDN’T SEE EACH OTHER ANYMORE THINGS STARTED TO HAPPING, AS I WROTE UP TOP. THIS IS WHY I FEEL THE WAY THAT I DO TOWARDS NELSON MANDELA. I USE TO LOVE HIM BUT AS YOU WILL SEE WITH TIME HE IS A HUGE FAILER. MR MAVI LOVED HIM – BRIAN AND PAUL DIDN’T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIM OR THE ANC SAID THAT THEY WERE TROUBLE THIS BEING AFTER I EXCEPTED THE OFFER TO BECOME ANC IN 1997. LUCCILLE WAS WITH ME WILLING TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE AND SUPPORT BUT MOM MAVI REALLY LOVED HIM. THESE ARE ONCE AGAIN ONLY MY THOUGHTS AND EXPERIENCE. THINGS HAS BEEN GREAT SENSE A GUY NAMED HENRY WHITE MOVED OFF OF MY BLOCK. MAYBE HE WAS A BAD CIA AGGENT I DON’T KNOW. JUST MAYBE. BUT WHY? I HAVE MET GOOD CIA AND SECRET POLICE “SECRET SERVICE”. MY VIEWS ARE THAT THE ANC TOOK AFTER OTHER OTHER COUNTRY’S WHO ARE WEAK MINDED AS ANYONE WHO CONSPIRES SHO AND PROVES THEM SELVES TO BE. I HATE WEAK MINDED PEOPLE. MY VIEW ONLY. SOUTH AFRICA’S FUTURE WITH OR WITH OUT THE ANC WILL BE BRITE, IT’S A STABLE COUNTRY. I FEEL SORRY FOR ANY GOOD HEARTED PEOPLE HERE IN AMERICA OR ABROAD THAT GETS INVOLVED IN THE ANC. I HAD A GOOD FRIEND OF CECIL LUCCILLLE’S FRIEND WHO’S HUSBAND WAS A HEAD ANC MEMBER IN BUTSWANA IN 1997 WHO LEFT THE COUNTRY BECAUSE HIS OWN FELLA ANC MEMBERS WANTED TO KILL HIM TOLD TO ME BY VIOLET PERRY HIS WIFE. ALL WAS FINE AFTER SHE SAID THAT AND THEY EVENTIALLY WENT BACK TO SOUTH AFRICA AFTER SHE CAME BACK TO AMERICA WITH US ON THE SAME AIR PLANE, APRIL 16TH 1997 SO THAT HER HUSBAND CAN GO TO SCHOOL HERE IN THE STATES. GOOD PEOPLE, JUST WANTING TO DO THEIR JOB AND OTHER WEAK MINDED ANC MEMBERS WANTED TO KILL HIM TOLD TO HIM BY PEOPLE NEAR HIM. THIS IS WHY NELSON MANDEL WAS SECURED IN LENESIA SOUTH TO AVOID HAVING WEAK MINDED ANC MEMBERS MAYBE CLOSE TO HIM TRY TO KILL HIM SO HE TRUSTED THE MIDDLE EASTERN INDIANS IN LENESIA SOUTH SOUTH AFRICA. ALL IS SAID.

  • http://www.rs39.com Carl

    South Africa has become a basketcase under “majority rule”. Mandela should have been executed for his crimes. This is truly a case of the tail wagging the dog!

  • Vonk de Ridder

    Bring it on Black Diamonds. We made you we can brake you.

    Lest you forget Blood river…idiots!!!

  • Thomas

    it is to long!!!

  • kuli

    killer and terrorist

  • bob

    Hey idiot he is a terrorist. He killed thousands of innocent people by bombing civilians. He will burn in hell.

  • Thami(South african)

    Bob,i am wondering if you raising any children it will be a good thing if you are childless .What about the thousands of blacks who died for being black.The apartheid system in south africa has created a lot of lazy white people who strongly believe in hand outs from the government.My point is with people who think like you the world is a better place.

  • Augustus Gupta

    Funny thing, they all talk about him teaching the world love, but no one shows what South Africa is like today.