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With all the turmoil over Japan’s tragedy, many political stories have been knocked off the radar, but within the online community those conversations are alive and ongoing. Often, when visiting other cities I attend meet-ups with other bloggers and Twitter enthusiasts. The info shared from social media platforms usually scoops mainstream press nowadays. Most stories, unfortunately, are rarely reported in ethnic media outlets. This week, many discussions about the number of politicians who ran on the taking-back-the-country mantra and gave President Obama a “shellacking,” are appearing to be worse than the politicians that were ousted last November.

A blogger from Wisconsin sent me several stories about Wisconsin state Senator Randy Hopper’s wife, who informed a group of protesters that Hopper is living with his 25-year-old mistress in Madison, Wisconsin. The morally righteous public servant ran his campaign on family values while shacking up with his girlfriend in a house that is not in his district. Bloggers had a field day with this story when it broke. The scandal was reported by mainstream media two weeks later.

While the mainstream media was giving us endless clips of Charlie Sheen “winning”, folks were discussing whether Sen. Randy Hooper actual lived in his district at all when he ran for office last fall. This was not a Democrat vs. Republican or Governor Walker vs. worker’s rights storyline for me. What I found more intriguing about the Sen. Hooper hoopla is that many are admitting they knew he was living with his girlfriend for nearly a year while he was running for office and no one in his community challenged him publicly about his dual residence. The anger against the White House had blinded everyone to overlook the obvious. Now that Hooper has voted for a bill that the majority of the state workers including both Republicans and Democrats hate, his personal life is now on the ballot box. Cheating is okay until you vote crazy. Interesting. No, not judging, just an observation.

In Tennessee, political observations are always interesting. The birther legislation has hit the Volunteer State with a thud. In several states, the birther legislation has been introduced but has gotten little traction. Mother Jones gave the online community a golden nugget that sent bloggers to mixing drinks at what transpired when this news item below, published in Mother Jones, went viral:

Last month, Tennessee state Sen. Mae Beavers introduced SB 1091, a bill that would require presidential candidates to present a long-form birth certificate in order to qualify for the ballot in the Volunteer State. Beavers, a Republican, is in good company: Nearly a dozen states have now introduced similar legislation—part of national campaign mounted by the birthers, those conservatives who believe that President Barack Obama was not born in the United States. To date they haven’t had much luck; a bill proposed in Arizona looked the most promising but was scuttled in committee; on Wednesday, New Hampshire GOPers knocked down a similar proposal.

Law makers introducing bills that do not create “jobs, jobs, jobs” are becoming the norm but the head turner to this story was Sen. Mae Beavers’ actions after she introduced the bill. Wanting to strut her stuff and show her passion and zeal, she went on a Blogtalk internet radio show, Reality Check, to discuss protecting our country from a Manchurian candidate who could harm our country by running for President. Have mercy.

Below are excerpts from the transcript of the show that make the entire state of Tennessee look like everyone repeated 4th grade twice:

RC: What are the specific requirements in the bill?

MB: That they have to have the long form birth certificate.

RC: What is the long form birth certificate?

MB: Now, you’re asking me to get into a lot of things that I haven’t really looked into yet.

(Sen. Mae Beaver was promoting a bill that affects how we vote but did very little research about her own bill; its gets better or worse depending on what you are drinking!) Keep reading.

The host then asked the obvious follow-up: why put a term into the bill, if you don’t know what it means? Beavers responded, “Well, we are following some of the bills that have been filed in lots of other states, and you know how it is, you file your bill and, you know, you prepare before you go to committee.”

File first, understand later? Dumb.

Beavers went on to state more clearly, “I’m not entirely sure what long form means.” She seemed genuinely surprised by the news that not all states even print long-form birth certificates anymore. “I only know about Tennessee,” she explained. As for her motives for introducing the bill, Beavers didn’t declare herself as an outright birther, but she noted, “I think people have raised questions about [Obama’s birth] enough to make everybody wonder.” Although the state of Hawaii has produced a certificate of live birth for Obama that has been widely distributed, Beavers said proof of Obama’s citizenship must have gotten buried in her inbox: “I get emails all the time with things in them, you know; I can’t honestly tell you that I read all of them, because I get so many.” Geez.

Whether you are love or hate the President, electing officials with this kind of intellect to public office should be illegal.

Speaking of criminal behavior, is it a crime to ask legitimate questions of those who are running for office locally? In an effort to not make anyone look bad, Nashville-Metro Council members are not being challenged about their voting record. All members of the Black Caucus hemmed and hawed and voted against a multi-billion construction project, May Town, that would have been built with private funds in favor of the Mayor’s blessed and highly favored Music City Convention that was funded with taxpayer dollars based on property taxes.

Yes, local elected officials who represent the poorest residents in Nashville voted to fund a project to bring visitors in a down economy with tax payer dollars based on property taxes when a large number of Nashvillians have lost their homes to foreclosure. Brilliant!

The MCC Project has had its share of controversy which is being swept under the rug now that 2011 elections are around the corner. We are being given the three-piece-chicken-and-biscuit-special speeches while ignoring what the community of color has really gotten from the project. A wing, a dash of hot sauce, with prayers on the side. “We are getting 20% in minority spending”, I have heard a few potential candidates say lately. No one has asked the obvious follow up, “20% of what actual dollar amount?” Please.

The Mayor’s chief cheerleader for the MCC, Walt Baker, was revealed as a racist, at least in his emails. The PR firm debacle was all over the place. And very recently, Metro Finance Director, Rich Riebeling, one of Mayor Karl Dean’s top advisers, failed to disclose fully personal business dealings with a prominent attorney and a local engineering firm, which have both won large contracts for the downtown convention center project. Wonder if any color folks bid on those contracts? There have been protests about hiring locals on the nightly news, yet, we allow council members off the hook by not questioning them about any of this. Why? Are accountability questions felonious? No one is perfect, but we should not dodge the obvious. For some, running for office is a hobby. Folks love to talk about what they have accomplished but no politician, Republican or Democrat, Black or White, long or short form supporters, should have an expectation of not being challenged about legislation they supported or bills they voted on, especially when it was not in the interests of the very people who voted for them.

In a media environment where followup questions have become obsolete, very little research is done on conflicts of interests in government dealings, and the cost of elections keep skyrocketing; politicians will say whatever it takes to get in and stay in office. This hurts the voting public, breeds voter apathy and puts out the fire of the next generation of voters who can really make a difference. I am just a blogger, but like it or not, I am going to do the unpopular thing; ask questions. Asking questions is desperately needed, especially in the color community, because a hot wing and prayers will not bring “jobs, jobs, jobs” to the communities of color in Tennessee.

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  • stephen michael slee

    i watched the manchurian candidate last night on tv just checking the sight out.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/dr-dreadful/ Dr Dreadful

    To paraphrase another famous (fictional) son of Tennessee: Stupid is as stupid votes.

    Or, you get the government you deserve.

    At least these idiots can provide us with some entertainment.

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    I am a ‘son of Tennessee’ myself, currently living in New York.

    I love this article, Gemma. Keep asking good questions and exposing funny and appalling stupidity wherever it pops up [you’ll be busy!].

  • Glenn Contrarian

    This morning I watched part of an interview on ABC with The Donald. It seems he supports a ‘surgical strike’ to take out Gaddafi and sending the Navy in to ‘wipe out’ all the Somali pirates. Yes, such a peace-loving president he’d be!

    Not only that, but he also says that since he hasn’t heard from anyone who ‘grew up with Obama here in the states’, he ALSO has just a little bit of doubt (complete with thumb and forefinger just about an inch apart) about President Obama’s citizenship.

    Best of all, in the preface to his ‘little bit of doubt’ statement, he says he’s “a very smart man”. He also said he’s willing to spend $600M of his personal money on his campaign. Somehow I think there’s a bit of contradiction in those two statements….

  • Arch Conservative

    National Political Observations?

    How about this one…

    Obama….what’s the deal?

    With all that’s going on in the world right now the latest we’ve seen from Obama is him filling out his March Madness brackets.

    How anyone can still claim that this guy has leadership skills is beyond me. He’s absent from the most important aspects of the presidency. This is evidenced by Glenn posting not about something our president had to say about Libya, Japan, Gas prices or any of the other hot topic issues but rather about what Donald Trump thinks should be done in Libya.

    It’s downright surreal.

    All politics aside…Obama is the quintessential empty suit. The continued adulation and admiration of this man speaks just as poorly for those who exhibit as it does for Obama himself.

  • Clavos

    Somehow I think there’s a bit of contradiction in those two statements….

    Not necessarily. $600M is probably not a lot of money to him.

  • http://www.carminasaturaqueamericana.com Irvin F. Cohen

    Dear Genma,

    As a born again liberal progressive, I absolutely and thoroughly agree with you that all those “birthers” are really all that ignorant and stupid. However I must also sadly inform you that President Obama unfortunately and regrettably was not born in the United States. No, he is in actuality an alien from outer space. To be utterly precise, he was born on the planet Who Do in the Galaxy Frou-Frou, located 942 million, billion, trillion, gazillion light years away.

    Now we both, as rational, objective, thoroughly disinterested, impartial, tolerant and open-minded, utterly compassionate and empathetic, liberal-progressives must keep this fact a secret; lest the ignorant, irrational and stupid, mean-spiriied, uncompassionate, thoroughly biased and bigoted, raving, rabid, foaming at the mouth, neanderthal, extra “Y” chromosome, troglodyte conservatives get a hold of this irrefutable, undeniable and incontrovertible fact.

    Again, as a leading liberal-progressive yourself, I trust you implicitly to keep this a secret while you stay focused on attacking the former conservatives, and never, never, ever criticize our fellow brethren, liberal democrats and liberal progressives. Which of course is what Christ would have us do.

    So keep focused and attack the former (conservatives) righteously and by doing so, you shall keep up God’s good work.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/an roger nowosielski

    I’d like you to chime in, Clavos, on our Anglo contingent, if you dare. I’m a far greater admirer of the English language and culture than they’ll ever be. To them it comes naturally, without effort. To me, it’s always a labor of introspection and of love. I have a love affair with the language, something very few people ever do.

    So won’t you please help tilt the scales?,, Your voice has always been respected, no matter what the subject.

    Would you, could you, even more importantly, dare you?

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/an roger nowosielski

    Cohen, you’re wasting your time on Glenn.

    Stick to the issue at hand. It’s positivism, stupid.

    Have you anything to add?

  • Genma Holmes

    Dr. Dreadful,
    Thanks for commenting. I am loving the entertainment but rather see jobs, jobs, jobs.

  • Genma Holmes

    Handyguy,
    Just left New York last week. I was on a media tour about bedbugs. Politicians are funny…period.

  • Genma Holmes

    Glenn,
    Donald Trump was very presidential at his roast, huh? If he was serious about running for president, there is no way he would have allowed himself to be the butt of so many profane and often truth jokes. No way.

  • Genma Holmes

    Arch,
    I think they all are suits with a few very rare exceptions. Thanks for commenting.

  • Genma Holmes

    Mr. Cohen,
    I never used the words ignorant or stupid in my article. Only made the observation that Sen. Beavers presented that dealt specifically with the long form of a birth certificate but had no idea what a long form was. I never described my as a “leading liberal progressive.” Making political observations can be made without having to identify with any group. Thanks for commenting.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Roger –

    1 – Cohen’s rant was directed not at me, but at Genma…though he’d probably direct the same to me.

    2 – And if he is ‘wasting his time’ on me…exactly what was he ranting about? Apparently he’s either offended that I have a low opinion of those who ignore the wealth of evidence but instead stick to the insanely impossible concept of the ‘birther’ concept…

    …or he’s left enough wiggle-room so that if I call him on it, he’ll claim that he never believed in ‘birtherism’ but was only setting me up to see if I’d call him on it in the first place.

    But in either case, you’ve made your opinion quite clear…and it looks to me like you’ve been hanging out with a certain group of people for long enough that you’ve changed not only your political outlook but – more alarmingly – also lost much of your former commendable determination to be fair and cordial to all.

    I suggest you look back to what you once were, and compare that man to who and what you are now. Not all changes are good, Roger. Perhaps I’m way off the mark…but only you can answer that.

    I once heard a saying: “When someone throws a stone at you, throw back a loaf of bread.” I hope that helps.

  • http://www.carminasaturaqueamericana.com Irvin F. Cohen

    Yeah, you’re right Glenn, it’ all me and not you. Just one slight little thing, however, you, just like Genma, miss the point of my supposed, so-called rant.

    For you see, it’s rather difficult to see anything clearly when one sees the universe through rather, opaque, biased blinders. A little hint: one, the so-called rant was sort of in the realm of satire; two, it was not about you in particular, but rather it was about personal, individual hypocrisy directed to Ms. Genma, but if you fit the bill, then so it be; and three, I was saying that I found Ms. Genma, after having, admittedly, cursorily read many of her articles and comments, to be a typical, commie-lib/simp on the liberal-progressive, pinko-lefty side of the equation.

    Well, she might not be that far out on the extremist left, but that still leaves her a liberal – uggh – and that still makes her a phony pretending to be scrupulously neutral and above it all – which again is a fairly reasonable interpretation and characterization of what I’ve seen, heard and read so far.

    Now as for your “When someone throws a stone at you, throw back a loaf of bread.” Well, that I must admit is as liberal and dumb and fraught with idiotic, deleterious and counter-prodctive consequences as any liberal denizen of Cloud Cuckooland could ever possibly conjure and machinate.

    Let us say one is truly a psychotic, socio-pathic, predator and all around evil, scumbag malefactor, who is absolutely irredeemable and without any socially redeemable qualities within him or her whatsoever. And let us say this incorrigible, unredeemable low-life psychopath throws a stone at you; let us say, attached to a potent fragmentation grenade, or on the end of a self-propelled rocket, or on the tip of a mortar or artillery shell.

    Well then I must surmise and glean from the apodosis segment of your so-called, supposed apothegm/aphorism, that your typical liberal response would be: First and foremost, to establish a high level commission with lots and lots of study groups to find out why he or she hated us so much that he or she would madly strike out at us thusly; and of course why we had provoked him or her so, what we of course had done to him or her to make him or her want to kill and or maim us so egregiously and wantonly; and of course, why we were so insensitive and callous not to know nor recognize this. And secondly, and just as importantly, to enact and establish some sort of liberal, statist, bureaucratic welfare program for this thoroughly unredeemable psychotic, sociopathic, lowlife, predator scumbag malefactor – or in the case of nations and foreign terrorist groups, to appease and placate them with billions of dollars in foreign aid.

    Yeah, makes lots of sense – of course solely for a delusional, purblind, hair-brained, typical, Alice in Wonderland, Cloud Cuckooland liberal.

    Right? I mean you are the expert liberal here?

  • Genma Holmes

    Mr Cohen,
    Thanks for your “curiosity”. I don’t know how many of my articles your curiosity allowed you to read because I have written thousands, or so I have been told.

    I write often about parenting, teens issues, my children, my dogs, my community, my favorite non-profits, my neighbors, bugs and the pest control industry, traveling, wallpapering, women in their forties, and issues surrounding homelessness. My grandfather, my hero in life, is also a big source of my stories.

    Recently, one of my sons have graduated from the Marines, so I am sure this next phase of my life will find its way into my columns, blogs, and articles.

    Thanks for you for your “curiosity” and comments. Feel free to read as much and often about me as you can. Remember what they say about curiosity.

    Ooh-rah!

  • http://www.carminasaturaqueamericana.com Irvin F. Cohen

    Dear Ms. Holmes,

    You at least have one redeeming quality – your son.

    I myself am a proud Marine, combat-wounded veteran of the Vietnam War. In fact the older I get, the more of a gung-ho Marine I become. In addition my favorite nickname here at Blogcritics is “sarge”. As for the others, some are OK and many, well, we really ought not go there, now do we?

    It is has also been my personal experience in life that there is nothing more powerful, awesome and delightful than a proud Marine Mother – even if she is a liberal – uggh – and won’t admit it.

    Nevertheless, ditto on the “oorah”. In addition, allow me to salute both you and your son and especially wish him Godspeed and his divine good providence as well. For being a Marine is not only an accomplishment in itself, but it is also God’s work and serious, dangerous business too.

    So Semper Fi, Mom, and again, may God smile upon both you and your son, and above all else, especially protect your son.

    Oorah – even if he is the son of a liberal – nevertheless – oorah and Semper Fi.

    PS Jess couldn’t help myself on that last, rather lame pun.

  • Genma Holmes

    Mr. Cohen,
    I will be sure to tell my one redeeming quality, my son, about your “curiosity” and your warm sentiments all roll into one. Riveting.
    Ooh-rah!

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Mr. Cohen –

    When it comes to the saying, “when someone throws a rock at you, throw back a loaf of bread”, that does NOT apply to psychopaths, et al. There is absolutely nothing wrong with one being kind and courteous and trusting towards others…as long as one isn’t stupid about it. One must be able to discern those who present a real danger. The saying refers to dealing with the everyday person, and not those who are dangerous exceptions to the rule.

    Mr. Cohen, trusting too much in your own cynicism can be every bit as harmful to you as not being cynical enough. Moderation in all things.

    Trusting in your own cynicism to keep you from being taken in by other people is a lot like trusting in your own gun to keep you safe – sounds good, but in reality it’s not as effective as you might think. For instance, a study by epidemiologists at the UPenn School of Medicine found that people carrying guns were 4.5 times more likely to be shot in an assault than were people who were not carrying guns. Now why might this be? Personally, I think it’s because someone with a gun takes more chances about where they go and what they do than one who is not carrying a gun (which is something a certain libertarian named Heinlein pointed out in his novel Tunnel in the Sky).

    And so it would be with being too cynical – people tend to get what they give. If you give too much cynicism and attitude, you’re more likely to get exactly that in return…and there’s no progress, no profit, just hard feelings between all involved.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    And Mr. Cohen –

    In case you’re wondering, I don’t own a gun. I don’t need one. Think about it – if you really wanted to kill me, do you think that I’d be able to stop you if I owned a gun? No, I know better – I wouldn’t be able to stop you. Conversely, if I really, truly wanted to kill someone, it wouldn’t matter how well-armed that person is – he’d still wind up dead. I wouldn’t need a gun…but that would make it easier. The point is, if an intelligent man decides that he’s going to kill someone, he will succeed in doing so. Only those who are not so intelligent are prevented from carrying it out.

    And I’ve prayed many, many times that God will keep me from being in a position to where I would need to hunt and kill someone.

    What I do instead is to not take stupid chances. I stay on the good side of everyone, I don’t go where I shouldn’t go, I live in a relatively safe neighborhood, I keep an eye out for danger, and I keep the doors and windows locked and the outside lights on (which would not stop a determined burglar, but would at least make the casual thief think twice). I also keep away from the wrong kind of people, from having the wrong kind of friends. But I have no illusions – if someone really, truly wants me dead, carrying a gun probably won’t do me any good; the best solution is to be somewhere else. Call it cowardice if you like – I call it prudence. Not carrying a gun keeps me prudent enough to not be threatened by intelligent people, but would endanger me if I’m targeted in a random attack or random home invasion.

    But in the final analysis, one must consider which is more effective. When one carries a gun, the study in comment #20 seems to indicate that one goes places and takes chances that one would not otherwise go and take when one doesn’t carry a gun. But when one doesn’t carry a gun, one opens himself up to what are essentially random acts of violence.

    Neither way is perfect, but which is safer? Again, the study shows that those who carry guns are 4.5 times more likely to be shot in an assault than those without guns.

  • Arch Conservative

    Senator Beavers?

    HAHHAHAHAH

    ‘Arch,
    I think they all are suits with a few very rare exceptions. Thanks for commenting.”

    I don’t think that’s true. All politicians twist the truth and outright lie when it serves their own agenda (recept Ron Paul) but our current commander in chief is something totally different. He was supposed to be the one we were waiting for. He was the change we could believe in. He was so hyped by the media as being such an extraordinary intellect and human being. He was the one that made Chris Matthews leg tingle.

    But it turns out he was none of those things. He was, as I knew all along, just a guy from Chicago who’d gotten a free pass for most of his life from his leftist brethren.

    Now that he’s in the hot seat he’s failing miserably. I never bought into the whole “he’s such a great orator” schtick. There’s no doubt that he’s incapable of of communicating with the average American in any sincere and/or meaningful way. That capacity has escaped him his first two years in office and most likely always will. His best shot at it was “hey has anyone seen the price of arugala lately?”

    Not that a president isn’t entitled to a little vacation time, but it seems like Obama has taken an exhorbitant amount and at the most inopportune times.

    Maybe it’s just me but I don’t believe an American president should be on TV speaking about his march madness bracket with all that’s going on.

    He has no leadership skills, makes America look weak and is completely ineffectual when it comes to instilling confidence in the American people.

    I truly believe that when it is all said in done he will be remembered as one of the worst president in our nations history.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Hey Arch –

    How many jobs was America losing per month when Obama took over? Nearly half a million per month.

    How much vacation was Dubya taking? A hell of a lot more than Obama. Remember when Dubya said he’d give up golf for the duration of the war? Such a HUGE sacrifice it was…and it didn’t last too long, did it?

    And concerning the basketball bracket – at least now we’ve got a president who can multitask, unlike one who didn’t know the difference between Shi’a and Sunni Muslims or why the difference was crucial in any military operation in the Middle East.

    And as for ‘weak and ineffectual’, pretty much the only ones who are thinking that are American conservatives. Most of the rest of America and of the world think pretty highly of him.

    But I forget – only the opinions of conservatives matter, and not the opinions of anyone else, right?

  • Arch Conservative

    Glenn.

    Must every defense of Obama be a criticism of Bush?

    You’re even more delusional than I suspected if you think conservatives are the only ones doubting “the one” these days.

    Keep drinking the kool aid until the bitter end Glenn.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Arch –

    Every time you criticize Obama, I’ll simply point out Dubya and the Republican party. Is this somehow unfair? Throw crap at him, and I’ll throw MORE crap at your guy – you know, the one you elected? Twice?

    Oh yeah – “Reagan proved deficits don’t matter.” Dick Cheney said that. But y’all would much rather believe that Republicans are better for the economy. And THEN there’s the fact that y’all are SO quiet when we point out that Bush The Decider decided that we would invade Iraq on false pretenses, thereby wasting well over a TRILLION dollars, thousands of American lives, and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi lives.

    IN OTHER WORDS, Arch – when it comes to slinging mud, the Republicans have given us a LOT more ammo, a lot more crap to throw back, than the Democrats have given you. There’s a REASON why 98% of historians rate Dubya’s presidency a failure and 61% of them rate his presidency the worst EVER. But YOU and your boys reelected him, remember?

    So YES, keep complaining about Obama, and I’ll keep rubbing your nose in Dubya, whose presidency was FAR worse than any other president since…well, apparently, EVER.

  • Arch Conservative

    Glenn…..if you want to engage in a Republican vs. Democrat pissing match you’ll have to find someone else to do it with.

    I agree that Bush was a horrible president. I didn’t vote for him the 2nd time and I sure as hell didn’t vote for John Mccain in 2008.

    As a matter of fact I believe both major parties have done grave damage to this nation. I don’t subscribe to party. I subscribe to the conservative philosophy which the GOP surely doe snot represent.

    As for Obama….the guy’s not a leader. You can try to defend your vote but it’s the truth.

    Oh and not everyone in the world thinks so highly of Obama. here is a link to a story in the UK newspaper “Express” pontificating on whether or not Obama is the weakest president in US history.

  • Clavos

    Most of the rest of America and of the world think pretty highly of him.

    If you’re right, then nearly half the people in these polls are conservative:

    In each result below, the first number listed is the people who approve of Bam, the second those who disapprove. A = All; LV= Likely Voters; RV = Registered Voters

    RCP Average 3/10 – 3/20 — 48.6 46.8 +1.8
    CNN 3/18 – 3/20 1012 A 51 47 +4
    Gallup 3/18 – 3/20 1500 A 46 44 +2
    Rasmussen Reports 3/18 – 3/20 1500 LV 46 54 -8
    FOX News 3/14 – 3/16 913 RV 49 44 +5
    ABC News/Wash Post 3/10 – 3/13 1005 A 51 45 +6

    Source: Real Clear Politics

  • Clavos

    I’ll throw MORE crap at your guy…

    He’s not (and never was) my guy, but,

    Throw all the crap you want — he’s gone; History — nobody but you gives a damn.

    W is SO last prez — they don’t count — Not Washington, Lincoln, Reagan — none of ‘em — only the guy currently in the hot seat does.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Clavos –

    Wow, Obama’s WAY down in the opinion polls, huh? In fact, he’s ALMOST as far down as Reagan job approval was in 1982 (43%) and 1983 (45%).

    Oh, but I forGOT! We shouldn’t listen to the lessons of history! We should ONLY look at what’s happening RIGHT NOW and pay zero attention to what’s happened before! After all, who needs the real perspective that comes ONLY from learning history when we’ve got Fox News to tell us what to think?

    And for Arch-Conservative

    Maybe you didn’t vote for Dubya the second time…but the vast majority of your fellow conservatives DID. And you’re on THEIR side, remember?

  • Glenn Contrarian

    And Clavos –

    Would you like for me to enumerate the times that the Republican presidents (and to a lesser extent, the Democratic presidents) ignored the lessons of history to the detriment of America? I mean, come on, man! You really think that it’s wise to ignore the perspective of history? Do you yourself not wish that America’s leaders (including not only the Republicans most of our elected Dems at the time who didn’t see through Dubya’s outright lies) would have learned from Vietnam and the experiences of every conquerer from Alexander the Great to the Soviet Union so that we would not still be embroiled in an unwinnable war in Afghanistan?

    Arguing against the importance of historical perspective is a non-starter, Clavos. Those who forget the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.

  • Clavos

    You really think that it’s wise to ignore the perspective of history?

    WILL YOU FUCKING STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH, GLENN???

    I argued the stupidity and futility of comparing one individual with another, NOTHING MORE, GODAMMIT!! In fact, one of the stupidities of doing so is precisely the fact that the historical circumstances faced by one prez are different from those which surround the guy with whom you’re attempting to compare him.

  • http://www.amazon.com/Stereotypes-Black-Music-African-American-Compromise/dp/1453853669/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1291054567&sr=1-1 Alan Kurtz

    Commenting as I am under management ultimatum, I politely request that you interact with civility. Please keep the tone of your comments to a respectful manner. I cannot do this alone. Your help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

  • Costello

    Who reprogrammed Alan?

  • stephen michael slee

    Oh well its been intrestings reading all of your comments the less said the better lets just say my eye is watching and my comments on the american president is times change and mr obama has the mojority of the american peoples vote let him do his job until his term is over.