Tool fans go insane, burn down message boards.
It had to happen. How could it have not happened? Like the leak of the single "Vicarious," which I posted about earlier, the new Tool album 10,000 Days has leaked, according to Fourtheye.net.…
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— go to most recent comments26 - joe.Camel
im baffeled that a Tool album could end up leaked. the past shows us that it is near impossible. with that said, i checked it out and what i found was plenty tool to me.. critics, please, either you didnt find the "real" leak (hell it's tool, its authenticity could still be up in the air) or your dumb. your like the morons criticizing any led zep album, or the half-wits who only like a band as long as they are "underground". if it isnt tool enough for ya, go mb to hooker with a penis like that song isnt about you personally. the guys never fail to amaze me, and not that this album is anything short of amazing, but worst case scenario, it doesnt do "as well" as previous albums monetarily, and they just get pushed to do another one. you know, in like 10 years or so.
but lets focus on the real issue at hand, we've all heard at least a recording of them live, and i want to know where my damned live dvd is, lol. we can hope i guess. give it a chance you nay-sayers, and at least make an attempt to make sure you arnt listening to something that a 10yr old recorded on their computer and put it up for download on limewire under the name of a tool song.
peace.
27 - ThatGuyJay
It doesnt really matter if you buy the secondcopy or not. If the first disc is really a leaked decoy, when the real thing hit the shelves, it would be leaked as well wouldnt it. Oh tuoche.
28 - ScottC
First of all, I've been a huge tool fan since 97 and i've been to five of their shows. A friend of mine gave me a copy of the leaked album a day or two after vicarious was released, and when I first listened I had mixed feelings. I was expecting something a lot harder overall, just because there was so much emphasis on how the band had been inspired from touring with meshuggah to make heavier music. Also, vicarious was a pretty heavy, fast paced song. Anyways, after listening to the album a few times it really grew on me. I kinda wish there were at least a few songs on the cd more reminiscent of older material, but after waiting 5 years, I'm just glad to be hearing some new Tool. I'm pretty sure toolshed099 is wrong, but it would be great to see 2 different discs come out.
29 - devolucionario
the real cover is amazing ...it has moving parts
so i will buy it anyway
i downloaded it and its amazing
30 - devolucionario
and..if the rumours of a second album are true
well.....much better
why not?
i will buy both
theres no other band today with albums worthy to be buyed anyway
31 - heathrow
i downloaded it, its tool, and its fuckin unreal!!!
the best they have ever written!!!
buy it on MAY 2!!!
32 - The Unknown
FOR THE RECORD, the music that has been "leaked" and is playing on your stereos and computers is indeed, NOT the official 10,000 Days album. I will not say, however, what it is or where it came from. What I can tell you is it came from a 100% reliable source. I can also tell you that the Pending 10,000 Days cover which you've seen has 2 VERY important details that clearly state this fact... We're disappointed that you would think these fine musicians would neglect 5 years of work to allow a leak on the internet. Oh and one more thing, the album may not even be called 10,000 Days.... Just a thought for some of you to chew on....
33 - Deuceman
Hopefully the rumours are true and there is another album being released, 'cause let's be really honest. Even true Tool fans who've been devoted from the moment Opiate was released cannot possibly describe this album as in the same league as the previous ones. Sorry, but if you post here or anywhere and talk about how "awesome" and "brilliant" and "amazing" this album is, you're full of shit. Out of 11 songs only the first 2 tracks are worth listening to repeatedly. The next 9 are a complete joke. Music which is played by great musicians, yes, but lyrically pointless and a waste of time.
Seriously disappointed.
34 - matt man
"the unknown", youre so full of shit. people have been posting pictures of the packaging and not only is it the same artwork, but same damn name and everything too. OH, and Tool didnt neglect the last five years, they went through great lengths to prevent a leak. and i HIGHLY doubt this album is a hoax, or that theres a second album or whatever. Facts are- shit happens. And it happened to be with tool. but go buy the album. only about a week left...
35 - Deuceman
When the REAL album is released, you will all be truly MIND *UCKED! This album on the internet is just the "B" side. All the real talent and hard-work that Tool are known for is on the yet to be released album.
Couldn't possibly be any other way. How could Tool go 5 years between albums and not deliver something that will TEAR YOUR *UCKING HEAD OFF?
36 - devolucionario
i´ve seen the real package...its a double cd with a real fancy box, the artwork is like the one we all saw ...but...it has moving parts, the eyes are some kind of specular devices...
and maybe the track we all downloaded are a b-side disc....included with the actual album...and released previously just to create all this discussion....and as a gift for thr fans
37 - devolucionario
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there you have it...no more posts
38 - devolucionario
remember
mirrors
brain sides
ying and yang
all that crap
good and bad
get the picture?
thats what its all about
so, the natural thing is that it comes
all in two
right in two
there must be two discs
39 - Comeonboys
I think that it is awesome that the material has been leaked. They give us nothing, their website is a complete load of crap and they're always trying to trick us! Oh well I suppose that's what leaves us wanting more... Just the fact they tried so hard for it not to get leaked haha how good is this. I am listening to it right now - the rythm section on track 10 is absolutely unbelievable (Danny Carey gets better every album) if you don't like this album you've got rocks in your head. Go out and by top 50 hits of the eighties because it suits your mental capacity. 5/4 time is to much for you. Now all we need is some tour dates announced for Australia...
By the way if anyone knows any details about the new album being released on vinyl i would very much like to know.
40 - 1.6180339
I seriously hope (and doubt) that what I have heard via a friend's download is not the new TOOL album. It is comparable to Metallica's St Anger..... absolute crapola! and doesn't match the quality of 'Vicarious" at all. A decoy album is a great idea though....very clever chaps.
41 - devolucionario
i´ve seen the real package...its a double cd with a real fancy box, the artwork is like the one we all saw ...but...it has moving parts, the eyes are some kind of specular devices...and the whole artwork is set in double pictures as a 3d picture book
got it?
double
left-right brain
1+1=1
all pionts in the double disc theory direction
and maybe the tracks we all downloaded are a b-side disc...or an EP...included with the actual album...and released previously just to create all this discussion....and as a gift for thr fans
or maybe just one side of the whole record
the emotional (not rational) side.
42 - Phenotype
If it was going to be a double album wouldn't the price be higher? Double albums are usually about $20-24 but all the preorders for this album are normal price.
43 - iota
Shit, dude, I don't know what to believe anymore. I'm suspecting that we're not all talking about the same songs! How's that for a conspiracy theory!
44 - Vicman
Nah... I don't believe all that!... The same thing was with Lateralus. If Vicarious is the first single of the new album and isn't bad, the rest of the album will be great! Almos always the first single isn't the best(as Schism with lateralus) I'll wait for the real hard album... not p2p shit.
45 - devolucionario
the songas are great , but just six songs, the rest is just intros
5 years for 6 songs is too much
46 - amig
in amazon there are two pricing lists
one at 13 us and another at 23aprox
maybe it is really a double cd
47 - JohnyBgood
Just think if this is really the album and you people are discussing how it sucks and its fake and how theres a real one and their pulling a trick, and their not? id be pretty upset if i were in the band after all that hard work.
with that in mind though, there are some interesting things about this cd, like how there is a good amount of profanity/swearing in the cd, and none of the retailers are giving it the parental advisory sticker. Has anyone seen the video for vicarious yet?? toolband.com said that a video was being made a few months ago, the single is on the radio, but still no video??? with all the secrecy tool goes through with their cd's i doubt it would get leaked that fast. someone said that there is two albums being sold on major retailers but i didnt see that im not sure what they meant by that.
i think more evidence is to support that the album is actually real though, i mean the band is touring very soon, before may 2nd in fact. danny carey mentioned that wings for marie/10,000 days was the best song he had ever been apart of, and adam jones said it brings tears to his eyes when he hears it, would they put that on a decoy cd? you can dislike the cd all you want and keep bitching because tool didnt make a record you dont like as much as lateralus or aenima, cd's you've heard 100's of times opposed to 5-10 listens with this new one. would they play these fake songs on their tour and then what change them up with the real ones?? plus the cd is 77 minutes long, i dont think the band really has that kind of time on their hands to fake a cd thats almost 80 minutes long, if so it would be the most elaborate hoax ever pulled in the music industry in my opinion, thats why i doubt it so much.
48 - Josh
There is no way this album is a "decoy" cd guys. The problem is our expectations are for the greatest music we've ever heard in our lives before, and while I think a lot of this is very good, it didn't meet a lot of expectations so we all want to believe there is something better out there. Listen to Wings for Marie and 10,000 Days (wings pt 2). This song/s is a tribute to Maynard's mother who difficult life and death has been the greatest influence on his life. She suffered a stroke that left her partially paralyzed for 27 years (10,000 days) before her death. This song is the most personal thing he's ever written for his fans to hear, and coming from somebody who's lost their mom in a long struggle with cancer, the lyrics are extremely poignant and deeply touching. There is no way this would have been released for a "decoy" album.
49 - erik
I like most of the album, wings part 1 & 2 are particularly beautiful, but too bad it's followed by the pot, I really dislike that song, especially the intro. I think it is really a shame to hear that after something so beautiful. I also really don't think the album needs that song, it would be much better without it in my opinion.
and of course it's not a decoy, the stuff about there being another disc is somewhat more convincing, I think that's also still very unlikely but the left-right part of the brain thing sounds interesting...so who knows...
50 - Josh
This material is pretty amazing no matter what others think. We're just not used to hearing songs like The Pot, with straightforward lyrics you don't have to analyze that contain a deep profound message, that sound more mainstream than Tool. That being said, I love this song for what it is. Vicarious, Jambi, and Right in Two are all amazing, and just like other Tool music you have to let it sink in to your cerebrum to fully appreciate it. Rosetta Stoned is as well, I guess I just wish Maynard could have shown off his incredible vocals more instead of the strange different vocal patterns you hear on this song. That is something that seems to be missing on this album. While the band possibly wanted to highlight other aspects of their talent they need to know that the totality of their talent, including Maynards complete vocal range that make them truly amazing. The whole is more than the sum of its parts, and the band would lose everything that has made them the most visionary band in history if they were simply amazing music without amazing vocals/lyrics, or vice versa. I hope they never lose sight of this and continue to push the envelope. I have to close this by once again saying that Wings for Marie/10,000 Days is one of the most incredible pieces of music I've heard in my life. The band found a way to tap into emotions I couldn't get my head around and to pierce an area of the heart that most people don't even know exists. Beautiful, soul-searching, inspirational, a tribute to life and an epic testament to the power of one person's love to move mountains and change lives.
51 - Derek
I dont claim to know anything about false albums, marketing schemes, or "true" song meanings. I am only 24 and I live in Oregon. I have been writing music and playing in bands since I was 12. The members of this band are 40 years or older and live in Los Angeles. HOW THE FUCK can any of you people think you know ANYTHING about how an artist comes up with their material?! Maynard has said how funny it is to read peoples interpretations of his lyrics and be way off. He has also said that he wants people to listen to his music and be inspired in their OWN crafts. In a recent interview Tool said that they felt like they were the band that slipped through the cracks. Do you know how many amazingly talented singers, guitarists and creative minds could possibly exist in a world with billions of people? To say Tool is the most genius band ever and then argue about stuff that no one outside of their close friends really knows about is rediculous. I believe they are one of the best bands around right now and I have been a long time fan, but they are just musicians. They got together, people liked their sound, they got big enough to keep making the music that they wanted despite the record company bullshit, found their unique niche in the hard rock genre, and were able to keep their jobs. They are talented and creative and are trying to produce music that is unique. Thats pretty much all you could ask for from an artist.
52 - Josh
You're right Derek, but they were progressive in a way that most bands weren't and they should be commended for this. And I'm not claiming to know all of the bands inner motivations or the meaning behind all of Maynard's lyrics. But if you don't see that Wings for Marie/10,000 Days is a tribute to his mother and how her love saved his life, you are blind.
53 - iota
Josh, you really feel that way about Marie/10000 days? I think that's a little over the top, my friend! Especially after listening to Parabola, or Lateralus, or, hell, even Forty-six & 2. Let's face it, guys, the songs in 10k days just don't compare to the depth of the previous albums. I remember when I wanted to hear the old albums again and again. NOT HAPPENING WITH 10K DAYS. I feel I've had my share of it, and now I'm just waiting to see what happens in May.
And btw, "The Pot" is my favourite song on the new album. (after Vicarious, of course)
54 - iota
Seriously, dudes, let's just all get a life and wait it out 'til May!
Peace out,
hugo
55 - booter
I got a bootleg copy, but I will still buy the new release, and the re-release with DVD, and the re-re-re release with an extra unreleased song, and So on.
Whenever I hear people bitch and moan about tool being weak corprate sellouts I think of these immortal words....
"All you know about me is what I've sold you,
Dumb f**K.
I sold out long before you ever heard my name.
I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip s**t,
And you bought one.
All you read and
Wear or see and
Hear on TV
Is a product
Begging for your
Fatass dirty
Dollar
Shut up and
Buy my new record
Send more money
F**k you, buddy."
Im just pissed I missed the 10 second window to get tickets. Thats the real injustice..... not that the new record got leaked... full or part.
56 - nephilum13
Oh my! The heated debate. TOOLS fans are a rabid lot (including me). I am not here to say they are the best band on the planet, it's not football: it's art. You like it or you don't. And I won't stand here claiming insight into the lyrics, but I know what they mean to me. Uninformed (or unimaginative) individuals that Think they KNOW instead of Know to Think...this seems to go against the very nature of these artists.
THINK FOR YOURSELF. QUESTION AUTHORITY. (Tim Leary)
As for the LEAK... The new TOOL recording leaked? How could this happen? IMPOSIBLE!!! Not really... The most likely place that this was leaked from was a duplication facility. How? Oh come on! Humans are crafty! These are not high tech security centers, they are FACTORIES!!!
There are three releases floating around that i have come across... if you are a fan and you are unimpressed, and the songs are under 5 minutes, guess what? you got the DEMO (or whatever it is- sure sounds like tool to me, but the songs are shorter, simpler and less developed), and that'll be good news. How can you tell? If 10,000 days is 11:15, then you got the real deal. Here is what I've gathered so far about the LEAKS...
ONE: definitely not tool, from what i understand friends of theirs- A KNOWN DECOY(I skipped this one)this was the early one from FEB/March. Some have said it's actually: Jack Maksuta- 4 Score And 20. I don't know, don't care, and haven't heard it.
TWO: a disk calling itself 10'000 days, that certainly appears (to my silly ass) to be tool, but the songs are short and rather undeveloped- perhaps demos(a term I'm using rather loosly here)... You can simply compare the first track Vicarious from your download to the one on the radio, and when I compared one track: 10,000 days, the "demo" version was not the same song as the PROPER RELEASE, not in content or structure, texture or length (I didn't bother to compare other tracks- I've moved on to nonstop listening of the proper release).
THREE: the PROPER RELEASE... Incredible, worth buying, and if you could download it and hear it a couple of weeks before everyone else, in the words of eric cartman: whats the big f*kin deal B*tch? this is the same debate that was going on when "with teeth" came out, and I downloaded that and then bought it too, as well as seeing the club tour (YES I got my tickets to TOOL in PHX!) and the stadium tour, along with a bunch of people I know.
As for 'spoiling the surprise'- maybe you never snuck downstairs to see what was under the tree before you were 'allowed' to xmas morning... I DID, no harm done. Top it off that people all over the world in "the industry" will have heard it long before the 2cnd... and most of them are not fans, will write crap reviews that will effect sales, or throw it out in favor of the new JZ release (or wuteva). Some of these bastards will even resell that prerelease they legally recieved at a resale shop, and some fan will pay to much for something that shouldn't be in there in the first place.
ME? I'll tell everyone I know how GREAT it is (because I've heard it and it is- to me), and share it with folks who I know will go to the show and buy the disk! the REAL Underground Street Team... Savvy individuals who see this as a game and are not trying to profit from someone else's work. It's true that there are some pirates out there probably trying to sell burned disks on a street corner or ebay and they are WRONG, and it's likely that those buying and selling this to profit are gonna get burned by the decoys. GOOD! Perfect even!
I love it. I love the game, I loved the chase, I loved avoiding the first decoy, Downloading the demo(?) finding out the track lengths were to short, and searching again. I loved finding it, and I'm loving listening to it. I'll buy it when it comes out to support the band because it's good, NOT because I have to to hear it... and I'll share it with close friends who I know won't try to profit from "The GAME".
If you know the rules, there is really nothing wrong with the game. None of this is going to change the world, but a song, might change the world for one individual... Support the artists you love!
;)
57 - nephilum13
looks like I spoke to soon... the demo disk is actually a band called counter fist. check your tracks against these here:
http://www.counterfist.com/music.htm
58 - piscesbluefaerie
The album is amazing and I cannot wait to buy the real copy. I think the album leak is not such a bad thing. Any real Tool fan will buy it. Who wants just the burned copy without the book anyway?
59 - dfgjww
Aren't conspiracy theories just great?
60 - jason73
I have to say I'm a little disappointed with all the rants and raves. The conspiracies are fun enough and i'm sure that the band is enjoying everyone's imagintations running wild. My disappointment lies in the Tool fans that are running around stealing and panning this album. As a fan of this group, I have to believe that they wanted to put out this gift to us as one unique package. (if you don't belive these records are gifts, just ask yourself how you would feel if they stopped making them altogether.) I for one can't wait for Tuesday. Just like last time, I'll go to the store, plunk down my hard earned cash, retreat to my home, and enjoy the artistry and effort put forth by these talented individuals. Exactly the way they meant for us all to see it and hear it.
61 - Eugene
From Tool newsletter Sept 05 - "Now where was I?.. Oh yeah, TOOL!.. I'm not going to reveal my source, Mister Patience, but do you want to know the kind of things that have been going on while this record was being recorded? Okay, first there was the decoy record just to confound all those would-be bootleggers out there. This took, oh, about a year, just because the band members wanted it to sound pretty close to the real thing (so as to be believable), along with equally believable art design. When they weren't working on this grand deception, there were other pleasant distractions" ... "And then try to imagine what when on in the studio itself (this time while recording the real CD)." end of excerpt
Regardless of how it turns out ... TOOL is still the man, 'and if Im the man, then your the man, and hes the man as well, so you can point that f*cking finger up your ass!'
Its all in what THEY WANT IT TO BE! Rock on!
62 - Eugene
The Tool newsletters of Jan 2006 and Feb 2006 are also VERY tricky.
Take a look and tell me the Ouji board session at end of January is not a clever clever lesson at the ToolSHED.
The leak looks more like crocodile tears meant to lure meat to the rivers edge! Not all is as it seems.
63 - billy ratsinsky
I make 6000 bucks a years doing medical experiments.. I love tool but they don't need my money. I'm gonna download that fucking thing and then eat some shrooms on my rooftop.
64 - paco
everything except vicarious that I can find is fake.You can tell it is not tool
65 - Minds Eye
check it ...definately the real deal.
66 - Vicman
Paco... i agree with you... how can a band like tool after 5 years made such a horrible music... its fake guys! lets just wait till may
67 - Nughuffer
ROFL at Billy Ratsinsky's comment.
I for one, have what I believe is the real deal. 76 minutes of pure Craftsmen and I am completely impressed. If this is in fact, some sort of hoax or even just a B side then paint me ecstatic. Going with my assumption that this is the complete album, I am still ecstatic.
68 - Josh
I wish everybody would just accept this album and realize that its not a decoy. Maybe a few little things are going to be different, but nothing significant, and the major songs have a lot of work behind them, everybody can see that I hope. I agreed with many of you that it was a possibility it was a decoy at first, but once you get to know these songs you see the brilliance in them. And that is exactly how Lateralus was at the beginning too, and I guarantee if that had been leaked early people would have been thinking a lot of that was a "decoy" until they realized it wasn't and grew to appreciate its genius. I think its just so hard for people to hear new Tool because there is five years of hype surrounding it, and we all know how talented they are, so I feel for the guys because it must be almost impossible to have so much expectation surrounding everything you do. We expect so much that anything we hear isn't going to seem like enough right away, its going to take time to let it sink in to appreciate it. Props to them for not giving a shit what people think and making what they want to make. As for the spark not being there... in my opinion a spark could have been created in you without you even knowing it until it becomes a fire burning inside you, and I think most Tool fans they will be consumed by the new material in time. Wings for Marie/10,000 Days is one of the most touching pieces of music I've ever heard in my life. It is a poignant tribute to Maynard's mother and how her love saved his life, and is the the most personal and moving thing Maynard has ever written. If you disagree, realize how he's spilling his heart for us to hear and how soul searching it is and how much he loves and misses his mother. And this song is a lot more than that, it's too deep to get into here and anything I've said barely begins to scratch the surface. Hearing through Maynard's words his mother's cries outside the gates of heaven that she has come home, that its time for her to get her wings and fly above the pain that she experienced in this life is mind shatteringly beautiful, I can't listen to this song without crying. Think what you want about my opinion, but I've lost my mother to cancer and see a lot of parallels in his agony and its simply beautiful; if you realize the emotion behind the song you will see how its as brilliant and beautiful as anything Tool has ever done. Even more so in my opinion. Right in Two is my other personal favorite, written from the point of view of angels questioning how humans could be blessed with reason but still kill each other over such meaningless things. The rest of the album, mainly Vicarious, Jambi, The Pot, Rosetta Stoned, and Intention I have begun to fall in love with as well. I like some more than others, but that is the case with all music obviously. If it's not what you expected, than fuck you buddy for not letting go of your expectations. Is it as good as Aenima or Lateralus? Irrelevant question... its different and its not meant to be compared, treasure it for what it is, find the beauty in it. I hope somebody will listen to this and find some truth in what I'm saying and echo it.
69 - dysfnktnl
I have mixed opinions on all the different stories being given up on all the forums I've skimmed thus far, I think it's safe to just wait until we reach the first and second announce release dates. What good does jumping to conclusions do? After all, if you really have respect for the band as a group of people, then you know better than to run your f**king mouth before the CD is even officially released. Geez...
On the up side of things, I think the 76minute "leak" I have is damn good stuff. Maynard is God, *not in a literal sense*, but in a "his music never ceases to amaze me, ever" sort of way. I believe you can hear a strong reachback for some of the older more "harder" sound they used to tote back in the days of Undertow, mixed in with their semi-newly-aquired sound that we (most of us) all love and know as Lateralus.
70 - Ness
Fuck! All these theories are making my brain cramp. May 2nd. just needs to arrive already. **sighs** By the way, has anyone else seen those pictures that are floating around? The one's that depict a c.d. with completly different artwork,and track listings? It reads "Ten Thousand Days" and boasts a track listing with titles like: "Viscera" "The Veil" and "Delta"
71 - iota
Well THAT is bs, Ness. And no, I haven't seen it. Where Can I see that?
You know, guys, I'm starting to like the album. I was falling asleep last nite listening to it, and enjoyed the first half up to Rosetta. I don't know, but I guess Corrosion of Conformity has gotten to me.
peace.
72 - Paco
C'mon maybe you all have a different album than what I have downloaded because the one I have gotten sounds like a crap ass tool rip off.It was the same band that did Vicarious before that was released to the radio,now all of the sudden it doesn't sound like sh*t and sounds like tool and is awesome.I know the songs I downloaded are fake ,it is not too often bands like tool put out one really kickass song that is as close to perfect as you can get then sound like a band that has lost ground on writing music since their first release almost 20 years ago
73 - paco
mindseye, im checking it I'll let you know if it is different than the one I got.
74 - paco
mindseye,you are the man this has to be real
75 - Rightintwo
Wow! I definitely got one disc worth of real Tool. The fake one is obviously that band counterfist trying to get some publicity. I can very much see how they may release a double album. Many signs are pointing in that direction. Details are above. If not I still feel that the disc that I downloaded (and will buy multiple copies of) is excellent. It is very touching on several occasions. Tool is the only band that has ever been able to evoke such strong emotions. No other band could make me cry but Tool. No voice but Maynards. What else can I say but this leaked set of tracks is absolutely beautiful. I am happy with it as it is, but a second disc would be fantastic and I think it is entirely possible. I love you all!
"Cut it all right in two, right in twooooooo!"