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• 26 - Andrew Ian Dodge

  Aug 08, 2004 at 12:44 pm

  Well considering the whole laballing/parental guidance thing came via the PMRC... run but one Tipper Gore...I would dispute that. Its a myth that the right want to limit your freedom to listen to whatever music you want.

• 27 - robot

  Aug 15, 2004 at 4:28 pm

  i saw nofx on conan the other night. im really disappointed.i keep hearing all this crap, bush ias an asshole bla bla bla, but what would they have done different?we took the war to the enemy.have you forgotten the near 3000 people that lost their lives in a cowardly attack from a group of warmongers that say they will kill us all even if it means they die in the process? i think fat mike ought to keep his fat mouth shut.

• 28 - Douglas Mays

  Aug 16, 2004 at 1:24 am

  Punx against Bush. It's about time. Back in old punk days (1975 to 1985) we all hated Reagun. For the same reason. Not paying attention to domestic policy.
  
  So at least this resurgence of punk rock has a cause. It helps!
  
  peaceloveguidance

• 29 - Jason

  Aug 16, 2004 at 1:07 pm

  Is there a website with info on exactly what Bush has done that is so bad? And what are are the "punk" solutions to these problems?

• 30 - Eric Olsen

  Aug 16, 2004 at 1:40 pm

  Jason, actually there is here, not that I agree with it, however. There is also Conservative Punk, novel concept though it may be.

• 31 - Douglas Mays

  Aug 16, 2004 at 2:07 pm

  Punk solutions? Get rid of Bush.
  
  plg

• 32 - Vlax

  Sep 04, 2004 at 10:53 pm

  i think it's stupid to use your 'powers' in the music industry to do something like this. unless of course you only joined a band to say things like WE HATE BUSH! but than that's not really music. so i think this rock against bush or any future president is and always will be immaturely stupid

• 33 - Kristen Drozdowski

  Sep 10, 2004 at 10:42 am

  Dear Whom It May Concern,
  Your stupidity makes me sick. How can you be so ignorant? How dare you say these things about OUR President. Do you honestly want John Kerry to be OUR fucking leader? That pussy, couldn't even wipe his own ass. You should do some research about John Kerry. He's a war hero for four fucking months? He was discharged because of self-inflicted wounds. What a great man he is, huh? Look into his war days. The false knowledge that you are spreading through the air waves, with the help of Hollywierd’s finest, is going to be the downfall of this country. If John Kerry gets elected and he pulls all of the troops out of Iraq. I hope you personally feel responsible, when American life is no longer safe. America will get what it fucking deserves. Unfortunately, I am only eighteen and I will have to deal the aftermath of all of the stupid fucking people, like you.
  
  
  Sincerely,
  Kristen Drozdowski
  
  
  

• 34 - Piper Kilbury

  Sep 14, 2004 at 1:17 am

  You know, folks, my advice for voters is just to look at the platforms of the various candidates. Bottom line, these artists aren't speaking out to try and bully their mindless fans into voting Democrat. They're trying to point out social injustices that they notice. Libertarian or not, is there a candidate? Not really. The options are, keep Bush and keep things the same or vote for "the other guy" whomever he may be.
  
  Let's face it, we're living in a culture of fear. Cheney said if we don't vote for Bush, we're going to get attacked by terrorists again. What's that if not bullying us into doing what he says? And regarding the 3,000 lives that were lost in the September 11th attacks, what about the 1,000 american lives that were lost in the war against Iraq, a country that NEVER atacked us. A country WITHOUT weapons of mass destruction. And how many of their children and civilians have we killed in bombings? I'm pretty sure the toll reaches about 3,000 by now.
  
  Just, do what you want. Read the platforms of the candidate and go with the one who seems most appropriate to you.
  
  --Piper Kilbury

• 35 - picasso

  Sep 22, 2004 at 9:51 pm

  I consider myself a staunch liberal, and I've been a punk rocker for at least four years (I'm 17). I do enjoy NOFX's music, though they're not my favorite band (Bad Religion is, NOFX #2). Everyone must understand that punk politicas have always been erraric. For example, the Sex Pistols were flat-out anarchists, The Clash were widely renowned (as renowned as an 80s punk band could be) as ardent leftists, and Johnny Ramone (RIP) was a staunch Republican. However, it is acknowledged that punk generally has a liberal bent. Since its inception, punk has always been politically charged, and in my opinion, many punk songs are some of the most thoughtful and socially aware pieces of music I've ever encountered (the likes of "I Wanna Be Sedated" and "Liza and Louise" can be discounted).
  
  I find it gratifying that punk is finally trying to consolidate its many diverse opinions into one cause. Punk rockers are not by definition drunken, atheistic bums. Case in point, me. I don't wear combat boots and a four-foot-tall purple mohawk (no offense, those of you who do), I believe firmly in the value of education (I'm in the top 5% of my graduating class this year), and I write editorials for the local paper in this ultra-conservative corner of New Mexico (you wouldn't believe the pissed-off letters I get). Hippies also bug the crap out of me. Incidentally, I'm also on a Secret Service watch list of people not to be allowed anywhere near the president and have been kicked out of a Bush rally before I even got in. All for what? For having and opinion? Making a public statement? This is one reason to be alarmed at the Bush Administration. There are many others, though it's difficult to summarize them into a ten second sound bite suitable for digestion by the generally apathetic 18- to 25-year old. Forgive my rambling, but the point is, Fat Mike and Co. obviously feel strongly about this, and if you want to make a difference, you must try. To me, that is what "punk" is all about.
  
  (my five dollars and two cents)
  
  -NK

• 36 - Horst

  Sep 24, 2004 at 4:44 am

  Hi,
  
  you may be interested in this link:
  
  DOWNLOAD for DSL users
  http://www.ramonez77.com/beatonthebush.mpg
  
  DOWNLOAD for ISDN users
  http://www.ramonez77.com/beatonthebush.avi
  
  DOWNLOAD for MODEM users
  http://www.ramonez77.com/beatonbush.avi
  
  It leads you to the extremely funny anti Bush-video “Beat On The Bush” by Hamburg/Germany’s punkrock legends Ramonez’77. You find this videotrack also on their upcoming new Album “Rest In Pace”, wich is going to be released by Mata Hari Enterprises by the end of October 2004.
  
  Please let me know what you think of this and help us to spread this link around!
  
  
  Cheers,
  Horst
  

• 37 - Eric Olsen

  Sep 24, 2004 at 8:07 am

  very funny, thanks! "Beat on the Bush, Beat on the Bush, Beat on the Bush with a toilet brush, oh yeah"

• 38 - bob hope

  Oct 20, 2004 at 12:04 am

  first thing people need to keep in mind, is that Bush lied to the american public. first he and his staff said that there were weapons of mass distruction and they harbor terrorist in iraq. the findings have now concluded niether was found. the uraniam shipments can be used for many different things, that is not a basis for potential weapons of mass destruction. so like clinton he lied to the people and the world. now Bush keeps saying the world is safer, but it doesn't matter. He lied thats the bottom fuckin line.
  Oh and punk rock has always been about questioning authority. That doesnt mean you have to sit back and let you, your family, and friends get fucked because you were to self ritious to vote. if you dont believe that shit about Bush read the 911 commision report. Be informed before you start talkin shit.
  PUNK IS A STATE OF BEING

• 39 - Daz

  Oct 31, 2004 at 7:07 pm

  I've always thought Punk was about challenging conservatism, not endorsing it...It was liberating for women and homosexuals...It was at best intelligent, and at worst naive, but NEVER conservative...It's worth mentioning that Oi! with it's traditionalist "I'm working class and I know my place" blinkered, self ghetto-ising, knucklehead logic is a whole different ballgame to Punk which was an imaginative and sometimes experimental release from conformity and traditionalist values....Oh and Bad Brains' homophobia had more to do with their Rastafarian beliefs!

• 40 - Alex Peak

  Jul 24, 2005 at 5:27 am

  QUOTE: "Most punk is far too left-wing/anarchist for my taste, whereas metal/hard rock was always more libertarian."
  
  Punk's DIY attitude is very compatible with Libertarian principles. In fact, Billie Joe Armstring (lead singer of Green Day, a band that is listed up in the very first post) is a member of the Libertarian Party.

• 41 - donna

  Sep 09, 2005 at 9:48 pm

  Kristin,
  I would LOVE it to be because of me, or fellow punks, that the troops were pulled out of Iraq.
  You're the fucking oblivious one. Bush is destroying our goverment, not saying it was the finest before him either, but he's doing his best to completly demolish everything. This argument is pointless, but I'm right.
  ha.

• 42 - Dave Nalle

  Sep 09, 2005 at 10:38 pm

  When Punk started out as an anti-authoritarian movement the authorities it was rebelling against were mostly leftist, both here in the US and also in Britain and Europe. But the political affiliation of those in authority is largely irrelevant, since punk is clearly anarcho/libertarian so it's just anti-government and anti-authority. There are plenty of people on the far right who are anti-Bush and opposed to the Iraq war as well.
  
  And BTW, if you're under 40 you're not a punk, you're some sort of poser.
  
  Dave

• 43 - godoggo

  Sep 09, 2005 at 10:59 pm

  Punk's an attitude, man. Support the scene, man.

• 44 - godoggo

  Sep 09, 2005 at 11:17 pm

  Seriously, though, it's really about being a kid.

• 45 - godoggo

  Sep 09, 2005 at 11:52 pm

  Apologies for the previous. Carry on.
  
  I'm going to have to just make an effort to steer around Nalle if I'm going to continue looking at this site.

• 46 - godoggo

  Sep 09, 2005 at 11:58 pm

  ...indeed, the entire "politics" section.
  
  Self-control, godoggo.

• 47 - Dave Nalle

  Sep 10, 2005 at 12:03 am

  By all means steer around me if the little bit of truth and common sense I spread is troubling to you.
  
  In the words of Mencken, I'm here to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.
  
  Dave

• 48 - godoggo

  Sep 10, 2005 at 1:39 am

  Well, no, that's not right.
  
  And I really don't want to get into a thoughtful discussion of the topic of Dave Nalle, but this is as good or bad a time as any to express some thoughts I've been having about this site on which I've been wasting so much time during my unbelievably lengthy convalescence.
  
  I come here because, unfortunately, none of the independent music blogs I've come across seem to have enough readership to support much discussion - certainly not the blogs that focus on the types of music that I'm interested in. There are some really excellent e-zines with content that, let's say, interests me more than any of the formal articles on Blogcritics, and perhaps some good discussion groups (which I haven't explored much, since the format doesn't much interest me), but the combination of individual articles with comments boards appeals to me, and it appears that a group blog like this seems to be the only way to make that work.
  
  This is not at all true of political blogs. The most popular political blogs are fully able to support active discussion boards. And there are many, many political blogs from all over the spectrum that are both popular and excellent (and by excellent, I should add, I mean far better than I myself am capable of writing), and with generally sophisticated commenters. Whereas on those occasions when I come here to relax and read about some music weaken and look at the political section, I feel as though I've fallen into a sewer. It's all gotcha and sarcasm, and in any event never close sophistication and insight of the better independent political blogs.
  
  In other words, in case this was unclear before I am not stearing clear of the political section merely to avoid Nalle, any more than I am avoiding Nalle merely because of his politics.
  
  So, do I hit submit or not? Yeah, why not?
  
  
  

• 49 - Marty Dodge

  Sep 11, 2005 at 12:46 pm

  Course not all "punks" are anti-Republicans...Joey Ramone was a Republican. And in his later years Joe Strummer supported the Tories in the UK...

• 50 - scotjames

  Nov 05, 2005 at 11:22 pm

  Wow

• 51 - Anarchy-Bob

  Nov 06, 2005 at 2:01 am

  The only band even close to 'punk' on that list is NOFX, the rest are pop, or hardcore pop. Then again if it's against an asshole who favors his rich friends over the poor american people, then unite and kick ass. I'm against any kind of government though, so attack them all.

• 52 - MT

  Nov 06, 2005 at 10:03 am

  Marty -- Joey Ramone was a democrat. Johnny was the republican in the band.

• 53 - Zach

  Sep 02, 2006 at 9:07 pm

  Both parties are fucked. No bipartisan presidential candidate will ever do anything good for the economy, partly cause all they care about is themselves and partly because the president has little effect on the economy. As for Bush being an idiot, yes of course he is, but so is Kerry. It takes a certain type of person to become a politician these days, and it’s these people you don’t want in the office. To steal some lines from Lewis Black "In America we have a two party system. The Democrats are a party of no ideas, the Republicans are a party of bad ideas. The way it works is a Republican stands up in congress and says 'I have a bad idea' and a Democrat stands up and says 'I have a way we can make it shittier'."
  
  If anyone here actually wants to make a difference vote for a third parties, too many people believe in them but don’t support them because they think they have to stop the democrats or the republicans. If we keep letting these extremist two party people run the country one of the other will lead us to fascism, either in the form of neo cons or communist democrats....so to make things short (too late) vote for third parties and both republican and democrats can fade away.

• 54 - WILLY ZINYA

  Sep 03, 2006 at 3:22 am

  FIRST OF ALL [Edited] LIKE FUCK YOU'RE 17 PICASSO. AND WHAT CONSTITUTES A " STAUNCH LIBERAL" HAVE YOU EVER HAD TO BE SO "STAUNCH" AS TO GETTING YER HEAD KICKED IN AND GETTING BACK UP AGAIN? THEN THE NEXT DAY, OR NIGHT GOING BACK TO THE SAME SITUATION? [Edited] MY COMMENT IS {IT COULD ALSO BE AN OPENING LINE FOR A "FUCK YOU SONG" BUSH & BLAIR, GOING NOWHERE} NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY OR DO THEY WILL ALWAYS FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!

• 55 - Casey

  Dec 10, 2006 at 5:38 pm

  I just think it's kind of weird that Punk has always been about anti-conformity and such, yet Fat Mike is telling people that Bush is a horrible person and you should go Democrat. I think Punk is being open minded about the world, not just in the realm of homosexuality or gender, but also politics. They should let the people make up their own mind instead of telling them what to do. I'm Libertarian and straight edge, but I did it on my own. I didn't let the media or society tell me, I did it on my free will. I think what Zach said is brillian :)

• 56 - Zilch

  Nov 14, 2008 at 1:58 am

  wtf Willy? hahaha, nice.
  
  man, all this continues to lead us into further converse. i just wish i could have been born between the mid 70s-80s. Punk has been, still is and will forever remain by far the uncanny and beautifully outspoken voice it is today.
  
  Too bad its not as active as it once was.

• 57 - jackmosh

  Apr 06, 2011 at 2:12 am

  if your liberal or conservative, punk won't fit in to these ideologies. it's independent. so vote for a independent party. dems and repubs won't help you.

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